THE QURAN IS THE ONLY BOOK THAT CLAIMS THAT THERE ARE 7 HEAVENS, 41:12, 67:5, AN ANCIENT, FALSE BELIEVE OF MUHAMMED'S TIME THAT HAS BEEN PROVED WRONG FOR CENTURIES. MUSLIMS NOW TRY TO COVER UP THIS TERRIBLE MISTAKE IN THE QURAN BY SAYING THAT IS IS REFERRING TO THE ATMOSPHERE, but 41:12 SAYS THAT STARS ARE LOCATED IN THE CLOSEST HEAVEN, SO IT CAN'T BE THE ATMOSPHERE. THE QURAN IS SIMPLY WRONG. IT ALSO EVEN SAYS "THAT STARS ARE MISSILES TO SHOOT THE DEVIL", 67:5. VERY UNSCIENTIFIC!
The point is that you have nothing left to defend your claims regarding Alfred Kröner or the fraudulent skin miracle. But you would never admit that you were wrong and so you just drop those topics and jump to the next.
If it were true that there is less crime in Islamic countries, then this would in no way prove Islam to be true. How would it?
You say that Islamic people do not fear the police, but only Allah.
- If this claim were true then Islamic countries would not have any police force. But this is not the case. Saudi Arabia for example does not only have ordinary police but in addition to that it has a religious police. So even when it comes to purely religious rules, people do not fear Allah enough to obey.
I am quite patient with you, although you have just presenting ideology and not facts.
1. Again: How many policemen are ther in Saudi Arabia?
2. You said that Islamic people do not fear the police but they fear god.
If this were true then (a) police would not help at all to prevent crimes in Saudi Arabia because people do not fear the police and (b) there would not be need for police in Saudi Arabia, because people do fear god.
I said you are doing propaganda. I did not say you are trying to convert me. That is a difference.
You try to present Islam in a good light. And you do not care if the claims you present for that are true or not.
You buy into the scientific-miracles-fraud, you buy into the skin-miracle-fraud - and even when I show you that these are frauds you will not admit it. You will not ask yourself, why your fellow Muslims deceive people to propagate your faith.
@Jeremias1111 1-I don`t know what u mean. 2-Im not trying to bretent to be a good person to u for taking an a good idea about islam i know my religion and am comfortable with and u just see the media u didn`t inter our country u didn`t see us on the realty from the screen and believe me media didn`t go the good person and u know that our arab media do that tow. u can`t judge us from their. i didn`t. in usa or uk muslim people are in hell because people like u we can`t live as a human. for sham.
1. Usually the minister of the interior is responsible for the police force. So I think you should find statistics there that will tell you how many people work in the different branches of the police in Saudi Arabia.
2. Again a lot of (explicit and implicit) false claims:
- I did say that you pretent to be a good Muslim.
- No statement in my comments is based on or at least related to "the media".
1. So you say that it still COULD BE a miracle and therefore you are justified to claim it to be a miracle?
Listen to yourself, man!
Is this how you live your live? When you switch on the light, is that a miracle? Sure, there is a perfectly natural explanation, but maybe god decided to create light in the bulb, when you turned the switch!
2. If you do not speak English well enough to make yourself understood, maybe we should postpone this discussion until you improved your English?
@Jeremias1111 Did i Supposed to laugh for that. we all grown up. but don't tell me what to do and not to do. my father respect me more then u. what u say is not make any sense. u say that isn`t miracle So i got to believe u i don`t think So cuz I'm holding my position. i know muslim people and what i saw they Wasn't muslim we call them in arab lang eilmanieen. yes im not propaganda what ever u say this is my last comm u think im propaganda and u talk with me as a defense i don`t like that bey...
"Dont tell me what to do"? - I think I have every right to tell you not to make false claims regarding me!
Regarding the skin miracle: Your miracle claim is based on nothing.
This is your resoning: They do not look Muslim and therefore you can not imagine a motif they could have to fake a miracle. - Are you serious? Because of your lack of imagination this is a miracle?
Either you are extremly naive - or, as I suspected already , you are not interested in truth but in propaganda.
So your claim falls flat. Let us see if Saudi Arabia has at least less police than nonislamic countries like, say Germany. Can you tell me how many policemen there are in Saudi Arabia?
Wow, that is bold! Alfred Kroener says that he was quoted out of context and that he never supported the miracle claims.
I showed in this very video that anyone who knows a bit about assessing a source must have been suspicious about this video snippet. You called it bla, bla showing just how clueless you are.
Now you watched Kroener telling you that the video snippet does not correctly represent what he said and still you clinge to the fraud.
@Jeremias1111 u just say that because in the news or media says about Islam bad things like -islam is terrorist let me tell u some thing i don`t have a rifle never use one and i hope u search for Islam in good locations see this VID watch?v=i6cdb7axS1Q u will know what allah is go back to ur head don`t run away from the truth its for u,no body ells.
If a person has "Dermatographic urticaria", you just have to slightly scratch the skin - without leaving a visible mark - and some fifteen minutes later the skin gets red and often swells where you scratched.
So the parents can write an -at first invisible- ayat of the Quran on the childs skin, present him to the public and everyone can watch the words appearing.
This only is a miracle for ignorant fools. Congratulations!
It is not hard at all to imagine a motif for the parents (media attention, hope to earn some money, maybe they lied when they said they had not been Muslims). It does not matter much. We have a natural explanation for the writing at hand and just need one person telling a lie to explain all of this.
But you prefer to believe in a miracle. Why? Because you think people do not lie? Of course not, you believe that Kroener lies. The only reason for you to believe in this miracle [cont.]
If you know of videos of scientists other than those presented by Maseed Zindani in his video "It is truth", I would be very much interested. Since I searched youtube myself for scientists who would confirm the claim of scientific miracles in the quran I am pretty sure that there is nothing.
It is just those dozen of scientists who got quoted out of context, tricked or bribed thirty years ago who are presented again and again by Muslims.
I will reply to a part of you pm here since it might be of interest to some people.
You wrote:
"Sorry if "thinking that u were Jew" has offended you in any way! I didn't mean it. I actually has a lot of Jew friends, and their accent was close to yours (if you were the one talking in the video)."
I was not offended by your idea that I might be a Jew. Actually I find your idea that I would be offended by this quite insulting since it implies that I might have racist views.
Speaking of this I very much oppose your assumption that the arguments of a person can be dismissed when pointing out that he is a Jew.
Such a fact might tell you a motif for their position - as the fact that someone is a Muslim might tell me why he is so keen on the existence of scientific miracles in the quran -
muslims by definition means (one who believes in one god.) so when you talk bad about muslims you are talking bad about christians jews and muslims. do your home work. now if you spoke on islam thats one thing. but dont go speakin on a bunch of shit yall dont no nothin about. cause everybody is born believing in one god. so were all born muslim. wheather you choose to follow islam is a different story. dont go to hell for being a racist dumbass wit no knolegde.
I do not share your definition of "muslim". You might be correct on the basis of ethymology, but the common meaning of "muslim" is quite different to this. Minimal requirement to be a Muslim is that a person accepts the shahada and neither Jews nor Christians do that.
That all people are born muslim is nonsense and backed up by nothing than Mohammeds claims.
On what basis you are calling me racist is beyond me, but it indicates that the dumbass is in front of your screen, not mine
@Jeremias1111 i wasnt even talkin to you but apparently you felt some kinda way. i ment in general. but you being defensive just indicates you no who the racist dumbass is. not me. i love jesus and christians. hes not in front of my screen hes the dick that went all the way out of his way just to find videos bashing somebodies religion and leaving stupid ass comments. if you dont like muslims dont look into them.
I felt that you meant me, because you werent able to use the comment system properly. There is a reply button you know? The very same button you hit this time, accidentally I guess.
The rest of your stupid blabber does not deserve a reply.
@Jeremias1111 believe it or not your right and i actually apologize. everyone has the right to there opinion and i really wasnt directing the comment at you. i just didnt know where your reply was comming from. i was speaking in general. but confrontation about religion or over the internet period is pointless. none of your comments ive seen thus far have been offensive or just out right ignorant. so its my bad. and all the other stuff i said actually isnt worth a reply. if i offended u my bad.
How can truth come from a man who got his revelation from having sex with a nine year old. We call that rape in a civilized society. He was a sex crazied pedophile and killed people who would criticized him and this goes on today. The men who are out there supporting Islam see the four wifes they can beat and abuse, the children they can marry and rape and think wow what a neat religion. Sick people Muslims.
The fact That Iron was "sent down" is in chapter 57 of the Quran (Mass number of iron).
The number of aayahs from the start of the chapter to that sentence, plus the "besmellah" is 26, which is the proton number of Iron.
Now you can be skeptical about either of the three miracles (sent down - mass no. - proton number). Conincidences happen everyday. But to be skeptical about all three happening together would be blindness? peace all
The only way that "my claims" could be flawed....would be for you to tell me that the mass number of iron is not 57 and the proton number is not 26. I'm not comparing summations or stating anything that i have not checked myself. I'm only saying what i'm sure of.
Now to answer your questions.
1. yes. On a personal level.
2. I am already skeptical about the websites, but not about the religion. I know some statements are shallow. Some actions are wrong. Islam is not that.
Are you spending so much time arguing and debating because you think that you're thus liberating people's minds? or you're just thinking you're liberating people's minds because you have so much time?
I'm trying so hard not to be paranoid and am convincing myself that you are not part of a plan.
Listen dude, websites and TV programs are more often than not full of crap. But so is the news. It doesn't mean you should only listen to them and stop looking.
I came across these comments by mere chance. I'm gonna stop debating now because internet is not even my thing. I'd rather spend my time in several other ways.
You'll probably say I'm running away, well i'm not but i won't argue with you anymore.
Any religion is just a way to live life rather than explain it, it's easy to interpret things from the quran now they have happened. we will see in 2012 when the world ends........haha yeah right.
Alfred Kroener is not at all a scientist, who was amazaed by any facts mentioned in the quran - according to his own words.
For information on other scientists who allegedly support the claim of modern science in the quran please read the video description and the discussions in this very comments section.
No, thats not true. Also several other scientists like william hay and J. Simpson felt cheated and missquoted by sheick Zindani and his "conference".
There is an article from the wall street journal (google: western scientists play key role in touting science in the quran). Additionally i asked william hay by email myself, and he also confirmed, that it was manipulation and cheating.
Well, its very simple to cheat, beause its just a matter of interpretation and translation: Take an ancient book, look for any similarity between a verse and any knowledge, and claim that this ancient verse actually meant a certain scientific fact. Just google for "georgics islam" to read an article, where someone does exactly the same (finding "miracles") with a text from virgil from the roman empire.
The possibility of making a "new interpretation" of ancient texts is NOT a miracle!
Of course, if someone cheats about "knowledge in the quran" or anything else, we can expect that some people will stand up and criticise/correct these claims. And that's exactly, what happens. Just google a bit and you will easily find debunks for all those "science in the quran"-claims.
But of course, you will not read critical voices on islamic propaganda sites, because those people want to spread islam - not to seek truth.
Well, but thats simply nonsense. This verse implies, that mountains have been "placed" with the intention, that they prevent the earth from "moving" or "shaking".
So, what of these claims are "scientific facts"???
First mountains emerge as a result of seismic activity. They are NOT placed by god for some intention.
Second, since mountains indicate seismic activity, there are even more earthquakes at regions with mountains.
So, the verse shows a completely wrong understanding of the world!
I quoted your own comment, sir. ""we placed firmly impeded mountains". These were YOUR words.
That "mountains keep the earth crust stable" is simply nonsense. There is NO scientific fact, which says, that mountains play this role.
The other ring, which you are referring to, the "mountains like pegs" thing, is also untrue: The earth crust is a bit thicker under a mountain range, but this is ALL that mountains and pegs have in common. ...
LuLu give it a rest. You have been clearly defeated here. LOL, and you claim you have an IQ in the 160's. You are a joke. You offered no logic in this debate or anything of intellectual value someone would expect from a person that claims to be in the top 0.02% IQ level of the human race.
Hahaha, LuLu if I was sensitive on the subject I would not be LMFAO at you everywhere I see you post. You are full of shit. You can not even offer an intellectual debate. You are obviously dyslexic and your IQ actually read 106. Hmm, actually more like a liar and it read 90.
I will have to google this article. It would be a great resource when debating muslims. Of course all the scientist they use to back ridiculous claims of miracles in the Koran are frm the 70's and 80's. Nothing current.
If you want to make a video or write an article, i can give you even more ressources about that incident. Just contact me.
For example, you can watch the "function of mountains"-video of zindani to SEE how he lies about the quote of a scientist. In that video prof. Siaveda talks about the roots of mountains, and afterwards zindani claims, that he had said, that mountains had the shape of "pegs".
There are two scientists, which confirmed me by mail, that they were cheated: Kröner and Hay. Several others confirmed the same in an article "western scientists play key role in touting science in the quran" (->google). You can see another one - Prof. Siaveda - being badly misquoted by Zindani in his video "the miracle of mountains". Moore simply had finential interests, and added "islamic annotations" to his book ;-/, and one thai professor converted to islam.
lol zulfitareen, a illiterate sheperd really knew how to write...u are so ignorant of history to say that muhammed wrote the quran. but in this short post, i must congradulate ur bravely on showing ur moranity (is i made it a word) when it clearly says that the cold and hot waters in the oceans don't mix...muhammed was an expert diver u reply?
from the Hadith (sayings of the "prophet" muhammad): "The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Muslims make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Muslim, Oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'"
Poor Kroner! Another for the annals of scientists and explorers misrepresented to serve as propaganda for Islam. It's insidious and persistent. I thought the myth of Neil Armstrong converting to Islam had been debunked, but just today I saw it being posted again.
The sad thing is that centuries from now these myths, fabrications, slanders & misrepresentations will be considered fact.
This video was a response to vittorio203, and it was easy to understand within the context. But apparently vittorio closed his account and my response is orphaned.
Thanks for pointing out the problem! I will add some information to the video description.
You Jews have reached the end of your long rope. Yes you have destroyed two Islamic states and are occupying the third one but any threat to Mecca is neutralized long before it has any chance of becoming any real. Can't you see it by now? God works mysterious ways indeed! Witness the modern miracle in making, try to figure out this phenomenon and explain it to your children if you can. Don't forget to document it well for your children and for future generations of Jews, they will need it.
Holocaust? You Jews remember the stories but you forgot the lesson. You repeated the same occupation, control and economic oppression in America what you did in Germany to German people. Not only that this time you extended your brutality and barbarism to Islamic countries. You killed millions of innocent Muslim people for no reason at all. And yes, the call was made to almighty God and he has responded, can't you tell by slowly tightening grip on you Jews, from which there is no escape?
No body is forcing Quran on you Jews... But as a Muslim I must say that there might still be some time for some of you Jews who still have some conscious left in you to become a decent human being by rejecting what you believe in. Stop being an oppressor, occupier and barbarian and turn to path which is laid out by Allah. Trust me, unlike people, he is very forgiving and merciful.
so u think tht we were waiting for some scientist to support diff revelations on the quran? I dont see how u exposed the lies of those videos!! you are only saying tht blah blah said and blah blah said and I saw and blah blah? so guess ur more believable than the others?
Although your comment is not very coherent, I´ll try my best to answer your points:
"so u think tht we were waiting for some scientist to support diff revelations on the quran?"
- You most certainly know that Kröner and other western scientists are presented on hundreds of Islamic websites as witnesses for the "scientific miracles" in the Koran. So yes, a lot of Muslims obviously feel a need to get their faith validated by real knowledge.
"I dont see how u exposed the lies of those videos!!"
- If you did not understand it, I suggest you watch this video again and also this: watch?v=QmhAzZNQvww, and this one: watch?v=X--v44Si7v0. Maybe it is just the context you do not know.
"you are only saying tht blah blah said and blah blah said and I saw and blah blah?"
- Hm, you forgot that I also said blah, blah, BLAH, blah, blah.
Seriously man: if you are not even able to sum up my video properly there is no hope that you will ever understand it. Try again, the important information was given when you only understood blah.
Most of these videos, if not all, are made by Jews as if Jewish media wasn't enough for spreading lies and hate for Muslims. Their hate for Muslim people and Islam is reflected in their videos all over YouTube.
Then why don´t you search YouTube for some of these hateful Jews and tell them how much you would prefer to be friends with them if they only stopped being mean?
... And of course God is sitting on his throne because he is the creator of all the worlds in all the universes ( Al-Quran). By the way God is something indescribable something like divine light (Noor) so don't take it the wrong way, if you know what he meant by "sitting on throne".
Man, why are you reposting the same stuff on another of my videos? I already refuted this nonsense in the comments section of my "Explaining Expansion" video.
You haven't refuted anything. I told you to get a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word in question and not the interpretation of those words. Any way I am posting these comments not for you but for other audience so that they can see the truth for themselves. As for you, you are a goner nothing could help you now! You are to the point where you are trying to discredit Quran by hook or by crook.
If you don´t want to talk to me then that´s fine; look for other people, make a video or what else. But the comments section of my videos is dedicated to debate.
If you do not want to debate or if you are not able to, which is my impression, then please post your declarations once. I consider the repeated posting of the same comment as spamming.
And I suppose you are not spamming the entire YouTube by posting multiple postings of the same lies and misconception about Quran and Islam? Or is it just your propaganda campaign against Islam?
Don't worry, I wont post anything to your hate video after today.
The seven heavens mentioned in the Quran are beyond comprehension of current science. Just like science today doesn't know what black holes are why they are there and what they are doing at the center of every galaxy. Seven heavens mentioned in the Quran are for the future generations of human beings who are advanced enough to comprehend the concept of multiple Universes having multiple dimensions so that fellow creations could live without ever having the knowledge of existence of each other...
Quran never changes, never has and never will. Only the modern interpretation of the verses of Quran updates and shows the modern discoveries made by science already mentioned in the Quran. Scientific facts mentioned in Quran such as creation of universe, big bang, vastness of the universe, expansion of the universe, existence of other worlds other than our own (We still don't know if other worlds other than our own exist for sure, nevertheless it is written in the Quran.) Believe it or not!
justy as appreciating Haridwar Rishikes Virndavan and Pahupoathi Nath, Badri Nath does not change tourist but there uis nothing wrong to listen all pov...allah hafiz
I ll spare the Lourdes and all the other ' holy ' sites or should i say those sites that became holy as someone thought that they saw some shadow appearing on a wall..or notice a drop of water on drooling from the eye of a statue, claiming that it was crying...
the Koran itself is a miracle.. no need to prove anything more.. more than 10 million people have the koran memorized from cover to cover..I d like to see even ONE person that has the bible memorized from cover to cover
what christians call ' miracles ' are mere signs for muslims and do not bring anything further to the religion.. it is like having a ferrari and trying to prove to a lemon that it is fastest ..
these websites that you are mentioning are for muslims that have lost faith and need a booster as they most likely live in a christian society where miracles are the order of the day...
I know that Muslims consider the Koran to be the greatest of all miracles, but surprisingly it is much easier to find sites that propagate those childish claims of scientific miracles than sites that present tafsirs or the Islamic methods of exegesis for example.
1. He does not remember the context, right. But of course he knows that he never supported the claim of scientific miracles in the koran. Thus he is perfectly justified to conclude that the quotes are taken out of context to give the impression that he did support those claims.
2. I can not put the whole video online, because I do not own it. Kroener appears just in two short quotes in the movie "This is truth" by Sheikh Al-Zindani. Ask him why he does not put the whole interview online even after several scientists claim that they were misrepresented in Zindani´s movie.
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Professor Alfred Kröner says he doesn't believe in the miracles.
watch?v=ClHuG880pqU (Alfred Kroner speaks out)
aby1ism 4 months ago
Kroner never converted to Islam. If he believed in the Quran...why didn't he convert?
00ismaeL002 8 months ago
@00ismaeL002
His loss.
Metsada007 1 month ago
@Metsada007
Hardly.
Jeremias1111 1 month ago
THE QURAN IS THE ONLY BOOK THAT CLAIMS THAT THERE ARE 7 HEAVENS, 41:12, 67:5, AN ANCIENT, FALSE BELIEVE OF MUHAMMED'S TIME THAT HAS BEEN PROVED WRONG FOR CENTURIES. MUSLIMS NOW TRY TO COVER UP THIS TERRIBLE MISTAKE IN THE QURAN BY SAYING THAT IS IS REFERRING TO THE ATMOSPHERE, but 41:12 SAYS THAT STARS ARE LOCATED IN THE CLOSEST HEAVEN, SO IT CAN'T BE THE ATMOSPHERE. THE QURAN IS SIMPLY WRONG. IT ALSO EVEN SAYS "THAT STARS ARE MISSILES TO SHOOT THE DEVIL", 67:5. VERY UNSCIENTIFIC!
DictaduraNo123 10 months ago 2
i say islam more save then the other religiuons
all no-islamic country
are more crimes more problems more ides more bad from eveything
do got a comment for that or its a skin disease.
AKELES07 11 months ago
@AKELES07
Is that now your strategy? As soon as proven wrong you drop the topic and jump to something else?
I am not interested in playing that game.
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
@Jeremias1111 i don`t need a strartegy to proof im right>
and let me tell u.u didn`t reply for my last comment
islamic country more save then other religiouns?
yes its true.
nice to talk with u i have been increase my believe in ISLAM.
hope u do the same
hope u the best
bey.
AKELES07 11 months ago
@AKELES07
The point is that you have nothing left to defend your claims regarding Alfred Kröner or the fraudulent skin miracle. But you would never admit that you were wrong and so you just drop those topics and jump to the next.
If it were true that there is less crime in Islamic countries, then this would in no way prove Islam to be true. How would it?
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
@Jeremias1111 i have very ideas to defend my religione
but i won`t tell it to u becuz u don`t whant to listen to them
just for a jock u talk with me
but for the other part of comm>
islamic people don`t fear from police when the do crimes
they fear from allah nothing more
in ur country always eyes on the police always hate the police
and i think my message is get to ur mind
AKELES07 11 months ago
@AKELES07
You say that Islamic people do not fear the police, but only Allah.
- If this claim were true then Islamic countries would not have any police force. But this is not the case. Saudi Arabia for example does not only have ordinary police but in addition to that it has a religious police. So even when it comes to purely religious rules, people do not fear Allah enough to obey.
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
@Jeremias1111 true
but whe saudi people arn`t angels and
in my country their are people how sale alcohol but their not muslims or saudi
this what the police job
and their are some people takes drugs i mean
u know what drugs do its came from ur country and its let the human crazy
for that islam say no to alcohol and drugs and all those bad thing
what human made
AKELES07 11 months ago
@AKELES07
So the Saudi police is only for foreigners? That is a joke and a bad one.
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
@Jeremias1111 NO i didn`t say that whats wrong with u
every time u came up with a new idea about us and it does`t say the truth about islam.
im a muslim ok and 1 billion around the world,did all of them good people.NO
their are people do bad stuff like other human.
thats way the police for.
and their are people say im muslim but they don`t.
believe me i`v see that.
the police for the bad people and their not big numbers in my country
but in ur alots of big numbers from them
thanx.
AKELES07 11 months ago
@AKELES07
I am quite patient with you, although you have just presenting ideology and not facts.
1. Again: How many policemen are ther in Saudi Arabia?
2. You said that Islamic people do not fear the police but they fear god.
If this were true then (a) police would not help at all to prevent crimes in Saudi Arabia because people do not fear the police and (b) there would not be need for police in Saudi Arabia, because people do fear god.
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
But there is police in Saudi Arabia. This shows that your claims are wrong.
Your claims did not survive the test of reality. It just was propaganda.
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
@Jeremias1111 are u crazy
did u think i try to drag u and say u gotta be muslim
Listen dude i comment on ur VID thats all
if u think im a propaganda man
i should go and not talk to u
all this time u think im trying to let u become a muslim.
disrespect me and ur thinking is very wrong.
i hope u the best
bey
AKELES07 11 months ago
@AKELES07
If my thinking were wrong you should be able to show it. But you are not. On the contrary:
On two of our three topics (Alfred Kröner, the skin miracle) I refuted you and in consequence you quickly dropped those topics.
On the third topic (criminality) you again have no more arguments and try to evade further discussion.
You showed pretty much that you are not equipped for reasonble debate. And apparently you are not interested in it, either.
Jeremias1111 10 months ago
I said you are doing propaganda. I did not say you are trying to convert me. That is a difference.
You try to present Islam in a good light. And you do not care if the claims you present for that are true or not.
You buy into the scientific-miracles-fraud, you buy into the skin-miracle-fraud - and even when I show you that these are frauds you will not admit it. You will not ask yourself, why your fellow Muslims deceive people to propagate your faith.
Do you not care? Doesnt this stain Islam?
Jeremias1111 10 months ago
@Jeremias1111 oK Im cool with u tow.
1- my age is 18,people who live in saudi arabia are 27 million and i don`t know how many police men in here.
2-I told u their kind of people who pretend they muslim for personal golas.
and their are people who don`t fear allah that much cuz their not a good muslims like
terrorist.
and kind of people and not very much but still break the law
like Traffic signals breakers and stealing and accidents and like that stuff.
AKELES07 11 months ago
@AKELES07
1. It should not bee too difficúlt to look up statistics from the Saudi department of the interior.
2. This part is based on logical fallacies:
"moving the goal posts": You said that Islamic people fear Allah. You did NOT say that "good" Muslims fear Allah
"no true scotsman fallacy" - people who do not fear Allah are not "good" Muslims or "pretent" to be Muslim
You will never be able to present a sound argument without logical rigour.
Jeremias1111 10 months ago
AKELES07 10 months ago
@AKELES07
1. Usually the minister of the interior is responsible for the police force. So I think you should find statistics there that will tell you how many people work in the different branches of the police in Saudi Arabia.
2. Again a lot of (explicit and implicit) false claims:
- I did say that you pretent to be a good Muslim.
- No statement in my comments is based on or at least related to "the media".
- I did not say Arabs are bad people.
[cont.]
Jeremias1111 10 months ago
- I did not do anything that would prevent "people like you" to live as humans.
I will not tolerate it, when you are telling lies about me. Either you stop making false claims or you leave.
Jeremias1111 10 months ago
@Jeremias1111 Do you Listen to your self.
look man the words on the kid you can`t say its not true.
2-im not trying to find way out form your claims,
cuz im not that good in English some time i use google Trans.I swear.
and for some words i can`t really read cuz google trans is not that good.
u go and try.
an again im not propaganda really im not whats wrong with u
and im not try to esc from our Chat and u think i can`t reply for some of it.
i just can`t sbeack english very well.
and plz be cool
AKELES07 10 months ago
@AKELES07
1. So you say that it still COULD BE a miracle and therefore you are justified to claim it to be a miracle?
Listen to yourself, man!
Is this how you live your live? When you switch on the light, is that a miracle? Sure, there is a perfectly natural explanation, but maybe god decided to create light in the bulb, when you turned the switch!
2. If you do not speak English well enough to make yourself understood, maybe we should postpone this discussion until you improved your English?
Jeremias1111 10 months ago
AKELES07 10 months ago
@AKELES07
"Dont tell me what to do"? - I think I have every right to tell you not to make false claims regarding me!
Regarding the skin miracle: Your miracle claim is based on nothing.
This is your resoning: They do not look Muslim and therefore you can not imagine a motif they could have to fake a miracle. - Are you serious? Because of your lack of imagination this is a miracle?
Either you are extremly naive - or, as I suspected already , you are not interested in truth but in propaganda.
Jeremias1111 10 months ago
@Jeremias1111 We got to believe u but not allah
hhhhh
you are crazy.
1000 time u say propaganda.
Ok thats propaganda
bey.
crazy person.
AKELES07 10 months ago
@AKELES07
1. I never asked you to believe me. I requested that you check miracle claims before you declare them to be true.
2. Allah never made any claim regarding the skin of that child. So what are you talking about!
3. Maybe you look up the word "propaganda" one day.
Get educated.
Jeremias1111 10 months ago 2
@AKELES07
So your claim falls flat. Let us see if Saudi Arabia has at least less police than nonislamic countries like, say Germany. Can you tell me how many policemen there are in Saudi Arabia?
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
@Jeremias1111 im a suadi and i don`t hate police
in fact i love them i really do
but when u say how many police man in here or there
i tell u who in the police in my country don`t inter it cuz its high crime
no they inter it to live their life.
thanx
AKELES07 11 months ago
@AKELES07
The motivation for people to choose a job as policeman is hardly relevant here.
Will you provide the numbers now? How many policemen are there in Saudi Arabia?
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
watch?v=wzpEPhOynco&feature=channel_video_title
FeignofCordor 11 months ago
he talk in a video about the facts in Quran
and u come to say I`ll read some hes words for u?
maybe ur not Listin to ur self
video VS bla bla bla talking
i`ll say the video
AKELES07 11 months ago
@AKELES07
It would be quite easy to contact Alfred Kroener yourself - if you actually were interested in the truth.
But it is even easier for you now! TheRationalizer did an interview with Professor Kroener just some weeks ago. Have a look here: watch?v=HYZufb8c7QQ
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
Jeremias1111@ now he is the man with the truth?
astagfarallah
he is a man just like everybody ells.
and he say,the ayat(words from allah)is true
before you find out with ur thinking away long.before 1431 year
think please think
AKELES07 11 months ago
@AKELES07
Wow, that is bold! Alfred Kroener says that he was quoted out of context and that he never supported the miracle claims.
I showed in this very video that anyone who knows a bit about assessing a source must have been suspicious about this video snippet. You called it bla, bla showing just how clueless you are.
Now you watched Kroener telling you that the video snippet does not correctly represent what he said and still you clinge to the fraud.
How desperate you must be.
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
@AKELES07
watch?v=wzpEPhOynco&feature=channel_video_title
FeignofCordor 11 months ago
the human will never believe in allah
Before is too late
allah is the greatest
AKELES07 11 months ago
@AKELES07
Allah is a myth.
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
AKELES07 11 months ago
@AKELES07
Do you have any response to the interview with Alfred Kroener? You prefer to drop that subject now, dont you?
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
@AKELES07
Regarding this fake miracle: Look up "Dermatographic urticaria".
And then ask yourself, please, if you may be too gullible when it comes to your religion.
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
@Jeremias1111 disease with name of allah on it?
and u say its fake???
their is ayat in the holly QURAN Description for men like you
i can`t tell u what to do.
but i talk like an brother with u
and you will find the rest of my words
u know what i mean
thanx for conversation.
see ya
AKELES07 11 months ago
@AKELES07
Wow, that is poor understanding!
If a person has "Dermatographic urticaria", you just have to slightly scratch the skin - without leaving a visible mark - and some fifteen minutes later the skin gets red and often swells where you scratched.
So the parents can write an -at first invisible- ayat of the Quran on the childs skin, present him to the public and everyone can watch the words appearing.
This only is a miracle for ignorant fools. Congratulations!
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
@Jeremias1111 their parents not muslims why for god sake will write ayat
in their little kid for a religieon they hate?
can u say some idiot words for that
big boy?
AKELES07 11 months ago
@AKELES07
It is not hard at all to imagine a motif for the parents (media attention, hope to earn some money, maybe they lied when they said they had not been Muslims). It does not matter much. We have a natural explanation for the writing at hand and just need one person telling a lie to explain all of this.
But you prefer to believe in a miracle. Why? Because you think people do not lie? Of course not, you believe that Kroener lies. The only reason for you to believe in this miracle [cont.]
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
is that you want a miracle. You are keen on miracles that would prove your religion right.
And so you throw reason out of the window and believe any fraud, any silly miracle claim as long as it seems to support Islam.
You are willfully ignorant.
Get lost now. Get some education and after that you may return.
Jeremias1111 11 months ago
@Jeremias1111 u guys eveytime came up with new idea
well,i got an ideia for u
and its more real then yours
i think this professor see the truth in hes eyes when reading holly QURAN
and then the police or what ever it is
come to him and force him to say
this is not truth its just a Coincidence or some thing ells.
thats what i think
its more realistic then yours
AKELES07 11 months ago
watch?v=ClHuG880pqU
ChaosN 11 months ago
@ChaosN
Thanks, I already noticed the video. Great job by TheRationalizer!
Jeremias1111 11 months ago 5
@memykal
I find that story distatefull. Please look for another example.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
I would've believed you if your accent weren't jewish :)
Islam integrity wont depend on this video.
you dont have to spend a lot of time on you tube, to find hundrends of videos of other sceintists who were all saying what is more than that.
Islam is there for humanity, and it will continue to be, until the day of Judgment, where it will be the religion of humaniy.
dont waste your time.
go your self and read quran, you may find your right path too.
thx
najdi1000 1 year ago
@najdi1000
My accent is Jewish? Now that is new!
If you know of videos of scientists other than those presented by Maseed Zindani in his video "It is truth", I would be very much interested. Since I searched youtube myself for scientists who would confirm the claim of scientific miracles in the quran I am pretty sure that there is nothing.
It is just those dozen of scientists who got quoted out of context, tricked or bribed thirty years ago who are presented again and again by Muslims.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@najdi1000
I will reply to a part of you pm here since it might be of interest to some people.
You wrote:
"Sorry if "thinking that u were Jew" has offended you in any way! I didn't mean it. I actually has a lot of Jew friends, and their accent was close to yours (if you were the one talking in the video)."
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
I was not offended by your idea that I might be a Jew. Actually I find your idea that I would be offended by this quite insulting since it implies that I might have racist views.
Speaking of this I very much oppose your assumption that the arguments of a person can be dismissed when pointing out that he is a Jew.
Such a fact might tell you a motif for their position - as the fact that someone is a Muslim might tell me why he is so keen on the existence of scientific miracles in the quran -
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
[cont.]
but this does not prove the arguments wrong that were presented by that person.
To show someone wrong on a topic you have to address the evidence and the reasoning that is presented by that person!
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
muslims by definition means (one who believes in one god.) so when you talk bad about muslims you are talking bad about christians jews and muslims. do your home work. now if you spoke on islam thats one thing. but dont go speakin on a bunch of shit yall dont no nothin about. cause everybody is born believing in one god. so were all born muslim. wheather you choose to follow islam is a different story. dont go to hell for being a racist dumbass wit no knolegde.
thecukilla1 1 year ago
@thecukilla1
I do not share your definition of "muslim". You might be correct on the basis of ethymology, but the common meaning of "muslim" is quite different to this. Minimal requirement to be a Muslim is that a person accepts the shahada and neither Jews nor Christians do that.
That all people are born muslim is nonsense and backed up by nothing than Mohammeds claims.
On what basis you are calling me racist is beyond me, but it indicates that the dumbass is in front of your screen, not mine
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 i wasnt even talkin to you but apparently you felt some kinda way. i ment in general. but you being defensive just indicates you no who the racist dumbass is. not me. i love jesus and christians. hes not in front of my screen hes the dick that went all the way out of his way just to find videos bashing somebodies religion and leaving stupid ass comments. if you dont like muslims dont look into them.
thecukilla1 1 year ago
@thecukilla1
I felt that you meant me, because you werent able to use the comment system properly. There is a reply button you know? The very same button you hit this time, accidentally I guess.
The rest of your stupid blabber does not deserve a reply.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
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thecukilla1 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 believe it or not your right and i actually apologize. everyone has the right to there opinion and i really wasnt directing the comment at you. i just didnt know where your reply was comming from. i was speaking in general. but confrontation about religion or over the internet period is pointless. none of your comments ive seen thus far have been offensive or just out right ignorant. so its my bad. and all the other stuff i said actually isnt worth a reply. if i offended u my bad.
thecukilla1 1 year ago
@thecukilla1
I very much appreciate your comment. You did impress me!
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
How can truth come from a man who got his revelation from having sex with a nine year old. We call that rape in a civilized society. He was a sex crazied pedophile and killed people who would criticized him and this goes on today. The men who are out there supporting Islam see the four wifes they can beat and abuse, the children they can marry and rape and think wow what a neat religion. Sick people Muslims.
frnz444 1 year ago
@frnz444
I dont find your rant very enlightening nor helpful. Watch my video about Moahmmed and Aisha if you are interested in some arguments on this topic.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
This is how it's done. Pile up the facts and back them up.
Not shout out some vague verses from an old book and then claim scientific accuracy.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
Pown! Note (6-)
vimizum2 1 year ago
All miracles of the Q evaporate on even the most superficial of inspections. It's almost embarrassing to see how easily those claims can be refuted.
IpsaPaphum 2 years ago 2
Brilliant
leonrenege 2 years ago
Peace all
The fact That Iron was "sent down" is in chapter 57 of the Quran (Mass number of iron).
The number of aayahs from the start of the chapter to that sentence, plus the "besmellah" is 26, which is the proton number of Iron.
Now you can be skeptical about either of the three miracles (sent down - mass no. - proton number). Conincidences happen everyday. But to be skeptical about all three happening together would be blindness? peace all
koozdorah 2 years ago
Before I answer to your claims I have some questions for you:
1. What do those "miracles" matter to you? Are they an important justifcation for your belief in Islam?
2. If I am able to show that your claims are flawed will you then be more sceptical regarding the Islamic websites that promote those miracles?
Jeremias1111 2 years ago
The only way that "my claims" could be flawed....would be for you to tell me that the mass number of iron is not 57 and the proton number is not 26. I'm not comparing summations or stating anything that i have not checked myself. I'm only saying what i'm sure of.
Now to answer your questions.
1. yes. On a personal level.
2. I am already skeptical about the websites, but not about the religion. I know some statements are shallow. Some actions are wrong. Islam is not that.
koozdorah 2 years ago
now may i ask you one question please?
Are you spending so much time arguing and debating because you think that you're thus liberating people's minds? or you're just thinking you're liberating people's minds because you have so much time?
I'm trying so hard not to be paranoid and am convincing myself that you are not part of a plan.
Listen dude, websites and TV programs are more often than not full of crap. But so is the news. It doesn't mean you should only listen to them and stop looking.
koozdorah 2 years ago
I came across these comments by mere chance. I'm gonna stop debating now because internet is not even my thing. I'd rather spend my time in several other ways.
You'll probably say I'm running away, well i'm not but i won't argue with you anymore.
Peace all :)
koozdorah 2 years ago
I do not say you are running away.
I say that you might have learned something here and that you deprived yourself of this opportunity.
Jeremias1111 2 years ago
Oh, I forgot to answer your question:
To live in a society means that the quality of your life depends on the actions of others and that the quality of their lifes depends on your actions.
Because of this I prefer if people care for each other.
If I have the impression that people are deceived I try to warn them as I would want them to warn me if they notice that I am in a risk.
Jeremias1111 2 years ago
You know that some of those "miracles" are shallow, but still they are used for dawah.
What do you think about that?
Jeremias1111 2 years ago
@koozdorah The mass number of iron is 55.845 amu...
kusalaviro 1 year ago
@koozdorah The mass number of iron is 55.845 amu and the verse appears in ayat 25. Close but no cigar, sorry...
kusalaviro 1 year ago
@koozdorah It's begs the question of why would god do that? It's just so stupid...
kusalaviro 1 year ago
Any religion is just a way to live life rather than explain it, it's easy to interpret things from the quran now they have happened. we will see in 2012 when the world ends........haha yeah right.
your all massive twats by the way
sgtHOLLIS 2 years ago
Alfred kroner is not the only scientist
that was amazed by the scientific
facts mentioned in the Quran,
Many scientists were not only amazed
but also converted to Islam after being
the first to come up with scientific
discoveries ,and find out later that it is mentioned precisely in the Quran.
xluuuluuux 3 years ago
Alfred Kroener is not at all a scientist, who was amazaed by any facts mentioned in the quran - according to his own words.
For information on other scientists who allegedly support the claim of modern science in the quran please read the video description and the discussions in this very comments section.
Jeremias1111 3 years ago
No, thats not true. Also several other scientists like william hay and J. Simpson felt cheated and missquoted by sheick Zindani and his "conference".
There is an article from the wall street journal (google: western scientists play key role in touting science in the quran). Additionally i asked william hay by email myself, and he also confirmed, that it was manipulation and cheating.
UnsichtbarerGeist 2 years ago
How can you cheat informations written
1429 years ago ,where non of those
scientific facts were known to any
civilization ,but all were dicovered at
the end of last century.we the arab
muslims have the literal miracle of
the Quran enough for us.we dont need
manipulation and cheating or even
propoganda like you are doing in the
west,all we need is to pass the information exactly like it was sent to us.
xluuuluuux 2 years ago
Well, its very simple to cheat, beause its just a matter of interpretation and translation: Take an ancient book, look for any similarity between a verse and any knowledge, and claim that this ancient verse actually meant a certain scientific fact. Just google for "georgics islam" to read an article, where someone does exactly the same (finding "miracles") with a text from virgil from the roman empire.
The possibility of making a "new interpretation" of ancient texts is NOT a miracle!
UnsichtbarerGeist 2 years ago 2
when one wants to cheat ,he may escape
the first or second time ,but not always.
and let me tell you that you cannot cheat
for sure about information about a scientific process ,step by step and
escape being caught cheating ,even if
you are the expert in cheating.because
not all humans are stupid or ignorant.
xluuuluuux 2 years ago
Sorry, but i don't understand, what you mean.
Of course, if someone cheats about "knowledge in the quran" or anything else, we can expect that some people will stand up and criticise/correct these claims. And that's exactly, what happens. Just google a bit and you will easily find debunks for all those "science in the quran"-claims.
But of course, you will not read critical voices on islamic propaganda sites, because those people want to spread islam - not to seek truth.
UnsichtbarerGeist 2 years ago
this is what Islam about ,seeking the truth
and it is our jop to spread Islam ,but to tell
the truth ,and ther is not compulsion in
religion or any other beliefe .for it is something personal .now tell me what is
the scientific fact that was cheated ,and
from which nation,for it is not smart to
throw acusations without proof.
xluuuluuux 2 years ago
Well, ALL "scientific facts" in the quran are nonsense. Just pick any - you may choose ;-). What do you find most convincing?
UnsichtbarerGeist 2 years ago
a geological scientific fact :
surah al -anbiya,31:
"we placed firmly impeded mountains
on the earth ,so that it would not move
under them."
xluuuluuux 2 years ago
Well, but thats simply nonsense. This verse implies, that mountains have been "placed" with the intention, that they prevent the earth from "moving" or "shaking".
So, what of these claims are "scientific facts"???
First mountains emerge as a result of seismic activity. They are NOT placed by god for some intention.
Second, since mountains indicate seismic activity, there are even more earthquakes at regions with mountains.
So, the verse shows a completely wrong understanding of the world!
UnsichtbarerGeist 2 years ago 2
i see that you are the one cheating in the
interpretation and translation !
for founded here in the arabic language
means created.who would have known
at that time that mountans keeps the
earths crust stable ! and that it goes long
under the surface of the earth !
xluuuluuux 2 years ago
I quoted your own comment, sir. ""we placed firmly impeded mountains". These were YOUR words.
That "mountains keep the earth crust stable" is simply nonsense. There is NO scientific fact, which says, that mountains play this role.
The other ring, which you are referring to, the "mountains like pegs" thing, is also untrue: The earth crust is a bit thicker under a mountain range, but this is ALL that mountains and pegs have in common. ...
UnsichtbarerGeist 2 years ago 4
Mountains are more wide than high - pegs are more high than wide.
Pegs are made to fix sometthing. Mountains not.
Pegs are struck into the earth. Mountains arise by the movement of tectonic plates.
So again, no "science" here.
UnsichtbarerGeist 2 years ago 4
you said that the mountains dont have a
role in fixing the earth's crust !
read about it then ,you will see that you
are wrong in this .
xluuuluuux 2 years ago
Well, if i google "mountains fix earth crust", all i find, are islamic "quran-miracle"-websites ;-). Can you give references to your claims?
UnsichtbarerGeist 2 years ago 6
LuLu give it a rest. You have been clearly defeated here. LOL, and you claim you have an IQ in the 160's. You are a joke. You offered no logic in this debate or anything of intellectual value someone would expect from a person that claims to be in the top 0.02% IQ level of the human race.
FuryOfMsMarvel 2 years ago
go sue those who created the Iq tests.
why are you so much sensitive on this
subject of intellegence and Iq !
try the nicologic Iq test ,it measures
the fluid intelligence ,unlike most tests
which I found inacurate for it has the
influence of culture and learning .
xluuuluuux 2 years ago
Hahaha, LuLu if I was sensitive on the subject I would not be LMFAO at you everywhere I see you post. You are full of shit. You can not even offer an intellectual debate. You are obviously dyslexic and your IQ actually read 106. Hmm, actually more like a liar and it read 90.
FuryOfMsMarvel 2 years ago
I will have to google this article. It would be a great resource when debating muslims. Of course all the scientist they use to back ridiculous claims of miracles in the Koran are frm the 70's and 80's. Nothing current.
FuryOfMsMarvel 2 years ago
If you want to make a video or write an article, i can give you even more ressources about that incident. Just contact me.
For example, you can watch the "function of mountains"-video of zindani to SEE how he lies about the quote of a scientist. In that video prof. Siaveda talks about the roots of mountains, and afterwards zindani claims, that he had said, that mountains had the shape of "pegs".
UnsichtbarerGeist 2 years ago
Any links/recources would be gratefully appreciated. How are you? Its been a while now.
nemisis123456 2 years ago
There are two scientists, which confirmed me by mail, that they were cheated: Kröner and Hay. Several others confirmed the same in an article "western scientists play key role in touting science in the quran" (->google). You can see another one - Prof. Siaveda - being badly misquoted by Zindani in his video "the miracle of mountains". Moore simply had finential interests, and added "islamic annotations" to his book ;-/, and one thai professor converted to islam.
UnsichtbarerGeist 2 years ago
You will also find, that Zindani is on several terrorist lists, just google or look at the links in my video description of v=hRa4Z9iSPT8 .
Well, thats all. I summarized it in two german videos.
UnsichtbarerGeist 2 years ago
Thank you, much appreciated :)
nemisis123456 2 years ago
lol zulfitareen, a illiterate sheperd really knew how to write...u are so ignorant of history to say that muhammed wrote the quran. but in this short post, i must congradulate ur bravely on showing ur moranity (is i made it a word) when it clearly says that the cold and hot waters in the oceans don't mix...muhammed was an expert diver u reply?
nitejazmine123 3 years ago
And a double lol at your expense, nitejazmine123!
1. Zulfitareen did not say that Mohammed WROTE the quran, did he?
2. Mohammed was a merchant and only had worked as a shepherd when he was young.
3. The quran does not talk about cold and hot waters, it talks about sweet and salty waters.
Please get informed yourself before you try to make fun of someones nescience.
Jeremias1111 3 years ago
KORAN IS THR WORD OF MUHAMMD. PERIOD.
zulfitareen 3 years ago
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Averoes, Al Kindi ,Avicenna thats all abot you got to work lasy unworthy kuffa not wait for
divine intervention does God like lasyasses
i bet not you got to study to work you bastards
zigsauer 4 years ago
Jahwe Iahwe Iahwos Iachus Dionysos
The old Testament was manifested and written in the second century BC in Alexandria with everything copied from the Ancient Greek Religion.
Ech establishment wants to have his own joint
anf build walls around it and eat well without
problems arising
Kaaba Cube Κύβος Greek
Black Stone Afrodite
Your are Bitchslapped
Al Mamoun you bastards Ijtihad you got to an efford you bastards
zigsauer 4 years ago
You really believe that?
Indeed, you can prove islam wrong in many different ways:
- Scientifically
- Mathematically
- Ehtically
- Literary
- Horrifying stupid predictions
Please visit: faithfreedom(dot)org
UnsichtbarerGeist 4 years ago 11
from the Hadith (sayings of the "prophet" muhammad): "The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Muslims make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Muslim, Oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'"
barbaric (and bizarre), no?
weirdcosmos 4 years ago
Indeed. Do you know the number of that Hadith?
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
ill check. but for now, here's something lovely from the quran about how god turned some jews into pigs and apes:
:They are those whom Allah has cast aside and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made some as apes and swine..." (5:60)
weirdcosmos 4 years ago
i found it. the quote about the rock is from hadith sahih bukhari 4:52:177
weirdcosmos 4 years ago
true
ricardodivalio 3 years ago
how do ulearn that
edz3ed2 3 years ago
I do not understand your question. Could you elaborate it, please?
Jeremias1111 3 years ago
I think he's asking how we know that. The answer is that it is in the Hadith (Sayings and doings of Muhammad); all you have to do is read it.
weirdcosmos 3 years ago
Poor Kroner! Another for the annals of scientists and explorers misrepresented to serve as propaganda for Islam. It's insidious and persistent. I thought the myth of Neil Armstrong converting to Islam had been debunked, but just today I saw it being posted again.
The sad thing is that centuries from now these myths, fabrications, slanders & misrepresentations will be considered fact.
Lamamel 4 years ago 2
Neil Armstrong? LOL , That would make news in the U.S. No biography of Armstrong alleges anything like that.
Gringoman911 3 years ago
I think the context should be understandable now.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
This video was a response to vittorio203, and it was easy to understand within the context. But apparently vittorio closed his account and my response is orphaned.
Thanks for pointing out the problem! I will add some information to the video description.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
You Jews have reached the end of your long rope. Yes you have destroyed two Islamic states and are occupying the third one but any threat to Mecca is neutralized long before it has any chance of becoming any real. Can't you see it by now? God works mysterious ways indeed! Witness the modern miracle in making, try to figure out this phenomenon and explain it to your children if you can. Don't forget to document it well for your children and for future generations of Jews, they will need it.
MeX2004 4 years ago
Holocaust? You Jews remember the stories but you forgot the lesson. You repeated the same occupation, control and economic oppression in America what you did in Germany to German people. Not only that this time you extended your brutality and barbarism to Islamic countries. You killed millions of innocent Muslim people for no reason at all. And yes, the call was made to almighty God and he has responded, can't you tell by slowly tightening grip on you Jews, from which there is no escape?
MeX2004 4 years ago
No body is forcing Quran on you Jews... But as a Muslim I must say that there might still be some time for some of you Jews who still have some conscious left in you to become a decent human being by rejecting what you believe in. Stop being an oppressor, occupier and barbarian and turn to path which is laid out by Allah. Trust me, unlike people, he is very forgiving and merciful.
MeX2004 4 years ago
This is just bizarre.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
I agree. I don't get the relevance.
Lamamel 4 years ago
so u think tht we were waiting for some scientist to support diff revelations on the quran? I dont see how u exposed the lies of those videos!! you are only saying tht blah blah said and blah blah said and I saw and blah blah? so guess ur more believable than the others?
tarikology 4 years ago
Although your comment is not very coherent, I´ll try my best to answer your points:
"so u think tht we were waiting for some scientist to support diff revelations on the quran?"
- You most certainly know that Kröner and other western scientists are presented on hundreds of Islamic websites as witnesses for the "scientific miracles" in the Koran. So yes, a lot of Muslims obviously feel a need to get their faith validated by real knowledge.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
"I dont see how u exposed the lies of those videos!!"
- If you did not understand it, I suggest you watch this video again and also this: watch?v=QmhAzZNQvww, and this one: watch?v=X--v44Si7v0. Maybe it is just the context you do not know.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
"you are only saying tht blah blah said and blah blah said and I saw and blah blah?"
- Hm, you forgot that I also said blah, blah, BLAH, blah, blah.
Seriously man: if you are not even able to sum up my video properly there is no hope that you will ever understand it. Try again, the important information was given when you only understood blah.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
"so guess ur more believable than the others?"
The point is not how trustworthy I am but what evidence I provided. It´s all hidden in the blahs...
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
"Don't worry, I wont post anything to your hate video after today."
Logic and science = hate? What a bizarre thing to say. The anti-philosopher Al-Ghazali would be proud of you, MeX2004!
EricMetalGuitarist 4 years ago 3
Most of these videos, if not all, are made by Jews as if Jewish media wasn't enough for spreading lies and hate for Muslims. Their hate for Muslim people and Islam is reflected in their videos all over YouTube.
MeX2004 4 years ago
Then why don´t you search YouTube for some of these hateful Jews and tell them how much you would prefer to be friends with them if they only stopped being mean?
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
... And of course God is sitting on his throne because he is the creator of all the worlds in all the universes ( Al-Quran). By the way God is something indescribable something like divine light (Noor) so don't take it the wrong way, if you know what he meant by "sitting on throne".
MeX2004 4 years ago
Man, why are you reposting the same stuff on another of my videos? I already refuted this nonsense in the comments section of my "Explaining Expansion" video.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
You haven't refuted anything. I told you to get a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word in question and not the interpretation of those words. Any way I am posting these comments not for you but for other audience so that they can see the truth for themselves. As for you, you are a goner nothing could help you now! You are to the point where you are trying to discredit Quran by hook or by crook.
MeX2004 4 years ago
You did not address my objections at all so how can you say I did not refute your claims!
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
If you don´t want to talk to me then that´s fine; look for other people, make a video or what else. But the comments section of my videos is dedicated to debate.
If you do not want to debate or if you are not able to, which is my impression, then please post your declarations once. I consider the repeated posting of the same comment as spamming.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
And I suppose you are not spamming the entire YouTube by posting multiple postings of the same lies and misconception about Quran and Islam? Or is it just your propaganda campaign against Islam?
Don't worry, I wont post anything to your hate video after today.
MeX2004 4 years ago
Feel free to expose my lies and misconceptions!
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
The seven heavens mentioned in the Quran are beyond comprehension of current science. Just like science today doesn't know what black holes are why they are there and what they are doing at the center of every galaxy. Seven heavens mentioned in the Quran are for the future generations of human beings who are advanced enough to comprehend the concept of multiple Universes having multiple dimensions so that fellow creations could live without ever having the knowledge of existence of each other...
MeX2004 4 years ago
"The seven heavens mentioned in the Quran are beyond comprehension of current science." - A totally baseless assertion.
"Just like science today doesn't know what black holes are" - If you read a science book you could learn about it. Give it a chance!
"why they are there and what they are doing at the center of every galaxy" - Adjust your worldview. Black holes do not exist for any purpose.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
Quran never changes, never has and never will. Only the modern interpretation of the verses of Quran updates and shows the modern discoveries made by science already mentioned in the Quran. Scientific facts mentioned in Quran such as creation of universe, big bang, vastness of the universe, expansion of the universe, existence of other worlds other than our own (We still don't know if other worlds other than our own exist for sure, nevertheless it is written in the Quran.) Believe it or not!
MeX2004 4 years ago
Well no, I don´t believe it.
There are no scientific miracles in the Koran. It is the interpretation that creates them.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
They say show us something written in the Quran which is not yet discovered by science.
* Here are few things written in the Quran you still don't know...*
MeX2004 4 years ago
justy as appreciating Haridwar Rishikes Virndavan and Pahupoathi Nath, Badri Nath does not change tourist but there uis nothing wrong to listen all pov...allah hafiz
rasmasood 4 years ago
I ll spare the Lourdes and all the other ' holy ' sites or should i say those sites that became holy as someone thought that they saw some shadow appearing on a wall..or notice a drop of water on drooling from the eye of a statue, claiming that it was crying...
the Koran itself is a miracle.. no need to prove anything more.. more than 10 million people have the koran memorized from cover to cover..I d like to see even ONE person that has the bible memorized from cover to cover
bpoichan 4 years ago
I do not consider the memorizing of the Koran as a proof for its divine origin. Why do you?
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
what christians call ' miracles ' are mere signs for muslims and do not bring anything further to the religion.. it is like having a ferrari and trying to prove to a lemon that it is fastest ..
these websites that you are mentioning are for muslims that have lost faith and need a booster as they most likely live in a christian society where miracles are the order of the day...
bpoichan 4 years ago
I know that Muslims consider the Koran to be the greatest of all miracles, but surprisingly it is much easier to find sites that propagate those childish claims of scientific miracles than sites that present tafsirs or the Islamic methods of exegesis for example.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
Who gives a damn about a non-muslim talking about islam and its miracles??
Islam UNLIKE christianity is not based on foolish miracles ..and those coincidences are not miracles but simple signs..
christians adore miracles..and live by them..
muslim do not.
bpoichan 4 years ago
Apparently a lot of Muslims "give a damn".
Look for "Alfred Kroner" and you´ll find tons of Islamic websites presenting Kroener as witness for the scientific miracles of the Koran.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
Ok you have right to suspect, BUT you dont show up any proof, you should make a video which include proof.
saying what you think it does NOT make it true.
further more, the scientist dont remember saying it and after he says he does NOT remember the context. so he suspect a miscotation.
it is clear that since himself cant remember, so the video is a proof of the event. ask for context: well why dont you put the complete video online?
NEWMINDZ 4 years ago
1. He does not remember the context, right. But of course he knows that he never supported the claim of scientific miracles in the koran. Thus he is perfectly justified to conclude that the quotes are taken out of context to give the impression that he did support those claims.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
2. I can not put the whole video online, because I do not own it. Kroener appears just in two short quotes in the movie "This is truth" by Sheikh Al-Zindani. Ask him why he does not put the whole interview online even after several scientists claim that they were misrepresented in Zindani´s movie.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
I just got a response from bill hays: Same story.
UnsichtbarerGeist 4 years ago
ups, sorry. It was William Hay.
UnsichtbarerGeist 4 years ago
I can confirm the claims in this video, because i asked prof. kröner too.
UnsichtbarerGeist 4 years ago