1895 Catholic National Quote DOES Exist - What Now Catholics?

[5355vbxjbj76rvn]

"[M]gr [S]arto believed it & so do many other catholics, calling pope "sweet Christ on earth" as well."

If by "it", you mean, "believed what he was saying" - is that not what preachers usually do ? You may see a problem in what he said - if that is exactly what he said - but why should others ? Instead of putting the worst interpretation on what people say, why not start with the possibility that words that look bad may have an innocent explanation ? Would that not be much better ?

[rusda2]

@5355vbxjbj76rvn I am not judging the mans heart, here can be very sincere yet as in this case sincerely wrong. people dont need to put the pope on a pedestal. he is not the leader of all christians, he is not "holy father" and he is not peters successor. he doenst deserve the titles and worship people put on him.

[5355vbxjbj76rvn]

@rusda2

"obscure does not mean non existent". No, it doesn't - translating the title of an obscure French publication into English, does not help locate an alleged, & in this case, actual, quotation from it. It should have been left as the Catholique Nationale, and the date of the issue, July 13 1895, added. "Catholic National" sounds like the name of an English-language, perhaps US, paper.

If an SDA were given a reference to "The Country" - how many would know "El Pais" was meant ?

[5355vbxjbj76rvn]

Not dishonesty - but the quotation is very obscure. What St Pius X said while he was Patriarch of Venice is not exactly something All Catholics Know - and research into the quotation is not helped by the obscurity of the publication from which his words are quoted.

That video flickers very annoyingly :(

As for what Mgr. Sarto said - it's a bit strong, but no-one could seriously imagine that he was confusing the Pope's person with Christ's Person.

[rusda2]

@5355vbxjbj76rvn Friend, obscure does not mean non existent. I am sharing this to warn catholics of what their organization really teaches. It's a devil worship cult and those at the top know it. the average catholic is ignorant of this and does not know that he is simply a "cash cow" for the catholic "church".

video doesnt flicker on this end, must be your pc or net connection.

apparently mgr sarto believed it & so do many other catholics, calling pope "sweet Christ on earth" as well.

[5355vbxjbj76rvn]

"Yes the Catholic National quote DOES exist" - but not under that name. So the SDA argument is right only in part. The inability of Catholics to find the quotation is to a considerable extent the fault of SDAs for not giving exact references.

As for the CC being a "devil worship cult" - this is the kind of silliness that says more about those who make it than about the CC.

"apparently mgr sarto believed it" - believed what ?

[catholicmessages]

Part Two: But as soon as the charge was made in 1895 inquiries were sent from England to Venice, and Cardinal Sarto produced the manuscipt of his discourse. What he actually said

The Pope represents Jesus Christ Himself, and therefore is a loving father. The life of the Pope is a holocaust of love for the human family. His word is love; love, his weapon; love, the answer he gives to all who hate him; love, his flag, i.e., the Cross, which signed the greatest triumph on Earth and in Heaven.

[rusda2]

1. @catholicmessages hello my catholic friend, the issue is that the pope, the RCC. catholics & those who love the pope claim that he is "God on earth" as you have just done in your comments here, but since he is a sinful man, just like other men, he is NOT worthy of the titles that the catholic applies to him because they are the titles of God/Christ/Holy Spirit ALONE. no mere sinful human can share these titles or positions with God, to think otherwise is blasphemy in its purest form.

[catholicmessages]

1. @rusda2 No Catholic believes the Pope is God if anyone does they are not Catholic. Not even close to God. He is the "VICAR of Christ". far from being CHRIST.

[rusda2]

@catholicmessages well I disagree, he is NOT vicar of anything, let alone God or Jesus. The word Anti in AntiChrist can mean "in place of" as well as "against" so the pope fits that bible description for the AntiChrist.

As for catholics not believing that He is Christ, I am afraid there are too many catholic quotes of such things as "sweet Christ on earth" for your take on this to be correct.

[rusda2]

2. @catholicmessages this form of human idolatry, came into the catholic church from paganism. the caesars were called "gods" and worshiped as such. the RCC received its power and authority from rome, a pagan entity. this idea of "man worshiped as god" was then applied to the pope. the pope even carries the PAGAN title of PONTIFEX MAXIMUS bestowed upon him by a PAGAN. RCC is simply "baptised" paganism nothing more.

[catholicmessages]

@rusda2 Again we don't worship the pope and frankly without proving that you have no leg to stand on. Yes. Thank God the emperor allowed Christianity. so that it may spread. Again you prove nothing. I can say anything as easily as you can. "The sky is really green."

[rusda2]

@catholicmessages bowing down to the pope, venerating the pope, kissing the popes ring and calling him "holy father" when he is just as big a sinner as you are, is most definitely worship. Your right, I have no leg to stand on...I have three...a tripod of truth. Nope it's purple.

[rusda2]

@catholicmessages the pagan basis of RCC is history man, if you knew any, we wouldnt be having this discussion right now.

[5355vbxjbj76rvn]

@rusda2

Actually, it comes from God's words to Moses to Exodus about Pharaoh

[rusda2]

3. @catholicmessages in conclusion, in the broad sense of things, it does not matter if this quote is catholic or protestant, simply for the reason that there are many other quotes in which the RCC/pope/catholics refer to the sinful pope as "sweet christ on earth" or other such blasphemies that say/mean EXACTLY the same thing as the catholic national/evangelical christendom quote, so if this quote "doesnt exist" or is in error, it in no way changes the catholic position on this subject.

[catholicmessages]

@rusda2 Say or mean exactly the same... Give quotes and sources and I'll bet you they're either lies or if true they make sense if you see them in context. The point being that the Pope (which I have stated before) is NOT GOD.

It does change your credibility. Since this whole video is about that quote. :)

[rusda2]

@catholicmessages no it only changes your view of my credibility. I understand you want your church to be the right one, it's hard to admit that you have been deceived...but it doesnt change the fact that you are. I know that the pope is not God, he's a sinner like you and me...and a protector of pedophiles at the expense of children. So why call him "holy"? why call him "father" when Jesus said not to?

it's very simple, the pope is no more representative of Jesus than anyone claiming Christ.

[catholicmessages]

@rusda2 Well so far you haven't proven yourself and this video is obviously false. So your lying and yet you say the church deceives me. If your going to attack the failure of the clergy to protect the children thats one thing but don't lie and about our beliefs. Holy because God has chosen them holy does not imply perfect rather it's a sign of respect. and the old argument of "call no one your father" is too childish to still be talking about it when countless apologist have explained it before

[rusda2]

@catholicmessages No I didnt lie, but your church does deceive you. RCC is the largest satanic cult on the face of the earth. It's worse than outright devil worship because at least devil worship tells you up front what it is. but RCC poses as "christianity" when it is not. the wolf in sheeps clothing.

holy is not perfect? u guys say mary was sinless/perfect. you call her "holy mary mother of God". so you have multi definitions for "holy" eh? you caths have excuses for everything. unreal.

[catholicmessages]

Part One: That quote had actually appeared from the Protestant magazine Evangelical Christendom, January 1, 1895. It also appeared in another Protestant magazine, "Church Review," in England, October 3, 1895. The article in the magazine charges Cardinal Sarto, Archbishop of Venice, with having uttered those words at Venice. Cardinal Sarto was elected Pope in 1903

[damianplus]

that is why they don't use the Bible as their authority instead the Pope.

God bless

[rusda2]

@damianplus amen to that.

[NOMADWARRIOR2007]

Great video!

[rusda2]

it wouldnt be worth a plugged nickel except for your excellent scholarly research :)

[NOMADWARRIOR2007]

Thank you bro I owe it all to Jesus!

[NOMADWARRIOR2007]

Also I'm going to use that same style that used Truth on Trial in a upcoming video dealing with the Pediphile charges in the Catholic Church. It should be up in April God bless!

[rusda2]

@NOMADWARRIOR2007 yea I was going to put up a few comments on the pedo charges today based on what I have read and seen in the last day or so.

[NOMADWARRIOR2007]

@rusda2 I just finshed the video I did on it I hadve one I wanted to post before that one do you think i should post this one first?

[rusda2]

@NOMADWARRIOR2007 I dont know, does it matter what order they go in? if not I wouldnt worry about it.

[jkw733]

rus, at least Ratzinger is owning up to it, as of these last couple of days! Makes a person wonder how high up into the hierarchy this sort of stuff has gotten and kept undercover, and for how many years. "... if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them", Isa. 8:20. NO light, even if they try to present what they think is truth!

[rusda2]

@jkw733 how much is he owning up to it? has he confessed that he should have called the police? is he admiting that he was wrong to try and cover it up and handle it in the church only with bringing in the authorities?

[jkw733]

Good questions, I''ll have to check the weekend's news articles a bit more thoroughly before I can give you any kind of decent answer ...

[rusda2]

@jkw733 I was just curious man, don't spend a lot of effort unless you want to.

[Nirky]

It's not just Catholics. It doesn't really matter if you're a deceived Catholic or a deceived evangelical or a deceived Lutheran or a deceived atheist, or even a deceived Adventist.

I'm finding when a person refuses to hear presented truth, nothing you can tell them edifies, he is refusing Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It points back to listening so long to Satan, and refusing to love His truth. 2 Thess 2:9-10

[rusda2]

yep