The point of the elephant analogy isn't that every religion has a part of the truth, but that they are all different renditions of the same basic message...the guy who messaged you just explained it in a stupid way
Well, let's pretend that there's a red chair. One religion claims that it's red, therefore speaks the truth. And at the same time one other religion claims that this is a chair and therefore also speaks the truth. Then these religions start arguing about who is right althrought they both actually can see that they both in some way speak the truth.
In response to this, the point of view of the guy could as well be a blind man, but instead of touching one part and saying "It's like this and that's how it is!", he explores more. He's more open minded and sees all the different parts of the elephant and can tell that. Same with religion. Just a thought to think about.
Hey Repzion! Its your ol' pal Mrjoshiemoto how you been?
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Repzion, you seem like a nice guy, but I have to say that your response was weak. Arguing against the bible is very easy, it defeats itself in many cases. Like in Genesis where in the original version it talked about god creating the firmament. Later, it was edited in modern day to say "dome" in some books so they could erase that error. All religion is a sales pitch to get you to donate/give them money or power.
@dubldeka Very inspirational. I recently turned over to more a 'spiritual' view of the universe. Like, I believe that there are things beyond the human comprehending and that all people have souls, I just don't know WHAT is out there.
also it is ignorant in its own right to believe someone that believes in religion is not intelligent, the idea of religion is intangible, which arguably is the entire problem, no one can disprove or prove it but in reality, does it matter? for nothing will change if we obtain this knowledge
i find in the comments majority is explaining what their views on religion is (in a very basic statement that has actually nothing to do with what he said) it is arrogant to believe what you know to be right without the substantial proof to back up your statement, one thing remains true, the existence of god is possible, i am not saying in anyway that i believe in his existence . what in the video explains is true though the individual seeing this needs superior knowledge which no one possess
a long long time ago, our ancestors were hunting the mammoth. when they killed the mammoth down they were either pulling or pushing their prey back to the village. that was their way. then some guy turned up with the wheel. no more pulling or pushing the mammoth. it was then all about rolling it back to the village. this is what science is to religion.
I also think you're taking the whole illustration too literally. Just like with jokes or other various bits of English literature, there comes a point where you need not be as literal.
They're telling the story, not believing that they're the most intelligent being on the planet.
I was with the whole "parts of the Elephant" thing up until you deemed it wrong. I believe that all religions have their truth, and that is what i'm sticking to. Other religions may think that they're the only right or true religion.
However, if you look at it from a higher perspective, all religions could be right. It's just a matter of who's point of view you're coming from.
Agreed, good logic. Repzorz, what do you think about other religions? How do you view Norse paganism, Hinduism, African tribal religions, Islam, and the others? Are they completely wrong, are they a proxy for the same thing that you believe? Does the Christian god (who is the one true god from your perspective) accept these religions, or do you just not know what the deal is? The bible seems to be pretty against non-Christian religions, but the bible isn't 100% the word of god (if god exists).
How about you address the elephant in the room here Rep? You're a skeptical guy, you're an intelligent guy. For fuck sake, you're subbed to TheAmazingAtheist, you know all the arguments. So why the hell do you still believe in magical sky daddy? Did you get hit in the head by something heavy? Come on... it really bothers me. I know you're smart enough and skeptical enough to see why your so-called religion is fucking bullshit. Some come on, Why? Are you just trolling us or something?
@TornadoCreator are you forcing him to believe in some big accident explosion that happened billion years ago? please don't force anybody with your believes. and why you ask? well because he believes in a God.
@nickz777 However much of an "accident" a universe without a creator would be, there is no reason to suppose that its existence would be any more of an accident than would be the existence of a divine intelligent creator. If a coherent, cohesive universe without a creator is hard to believe, why isn't a coherent cohesive god without himself having a creator hard to believe?
@StabbyRaccoon well I myself believe that God came from somewhere, it's just too complicated for our minds right now to understand or maybe we might be able to understand if only God will tell us right now..during the time of Moses God was still able to communicate with the people but why didn't he say where he came from? because we were still too stupid to even understand what multiplication is.
@TornadoCreator There is no need to be so agressive. I think his current state is in-between belief and disbelief, which many people go through on their way to and from religion (myself included). Insults will only needlessly cause him to balk at whatever position you are advocating.
There's every reason to be agressive. This person is a Christian... he's actively believing things which are provably wrong and encouraging the same in others. Oh and don't you fucking dare claim I'm the agressive one when there are endless videos threatening me with hell. I'll be as agressive as I bloody well want, I owe Christianity and Christians sod all respect as they never give us any, including Rep here based on his previous video.
@TornadoCreator So because some Christians said you should go to hell, you're going to take it out on this guy, who, from what I've seen, has never made claims of hell nor condemned others based on their beliefs? Okay, go have fun bitching at VFX and Way of the Master. This is the grownups table, and we prefer to be civil here. He is willing to discuss this subject intellectually and politely, so try to do the same and leave your biases at the door.
Yes, I'm going to take my frustrations out on Rep because he deserves it the most. He's an intelligent sceptical person who still keeps his faith, he has no excuse. I don't want to "discuss this intellectually" because Rep already knows the arguments, he's subbed to TheAmazingAtheist for fuck sake. He's CHOOSING to ignore them. Rep is a willfully ignorant fucking liar, and he knows it, and he makes it all that much worse because I know he's intelligent. No excuses.
@TornadoCreator You're truly an idiot. I have never in any of my videos forced or attempted to "convince" anyone of Christianity. So tell me, sir, WHAT video have I made threatening you with hell? None. And your last statement about me not giving others respect is pulling shit out of your ass. If anything, I give more respect to my fellow friendly atheists than I do with Christians.
I didn't say you threatened me with hell, I was talking about Christians in general. As for respect, yes, you generally do show atheists a lot more respect than most Christians do, you're a generally decent, intelligent, sceptical and respectful person. That's why it's all the more irritating that you believe in your magical sky daddy. Your willful ignorance is infuriating because I know that you know that you're fucking wrong. You have no reason for faith, do you? So why?
@TornadoCreator You can believe I am wrong all you want. I have a reason for my faith, which will be expressed and explained in later videos. I cannot and will not do it in limited 500 characters or multiple posts. I do have reason for my beliefs, although I have never expressed them in any of my videos as of yet, but I will. You'll have to wait. Plus, it shouldn't matter to you if I believe in a God as God is neither provable nor disprovable.Something both Christians and atheists fight over
True, you've never explained why you believe, and I really would like to know because I can't fathom why someone as sceptical and who possesses your will and wit would have faith. That said, your "intelligent Christian" persona is cracking... seriously, did you really hint that you don't understand the concept of the burden of proof. "Provable nor disprovable", don't give me this shit. You're better than that and you know I'm not going to stand for it. Have some integrity.
@deathtris That would be a funny response, and a decent comeback to many psudo-intellectuals who mock people while acting like they understand everything. I'm not them though. I'm not an art's student, I'm a biochemist. I can explain the Big Bang and the evidence that supports it, and even if I couldn't it wouldn't make God any more correct all it would do would make my acceptance of the Big Bang suspect (I never said I accepted the Big Bang btw). Try again, and try harder.
Anyways, what do you want me to "try harder" at, exactly? I'm not advocating anything besides civil discourse. I don't find your badgering to be condusive, and I simply think that you should withhold judgement until you know Repzion's reasoning. The fact that he is aware of atheist arguments and seems to be intelligent should make you more interested in his response, not stupidly antagonistic.
Agreed. It should make me more interested in his reason for being a theist but it doesn't it just angers me. It's far more reasonable to assume that Rep has deluded himself into believing and compartmentalised his thinking, than to assume he has some evidence that the rest of the scientific world has missed. If he does, great, but somehow I doubt it. I've met Christians who are otherwise rational sceptics, a close friend of mine. His faith is why we're no longer friends.
@TornadoCreator You've made a false dichotomy between delusion and evidence. On the subject of gods, there is a distinct lack of evidence, and Repzion himself has made no claims of having any. When you have an unsubstantiated but unfalsifiable claim, belief is simply a matter of preference.
Would you get mad if he said that he thinks Bigfoot exists? If not, and he is no more irrational for his belief in a god, then why does this anger you even before he explains himself?
@deathtris If he said he believed Bigfoot exists, yes, I'd be annoyed. Just as angry, no, Bigfoot doesn't hold back political, social and technological advancement, Christianity does, and he's legitimising it by association. If he said he thought Bigfoot was possible, no. I've also no issue with someone claiming God is possible... but he's not making that claim. He's claiming God DOES exists, Jesus IS his son. There definitely IS an afterlife and faith is required to get there. ...NO!
@TornadoCreator I must have missed when he made those claims, but all I've heard is that he identifies as a Christian. I'm not privvy to the extent and intricacies of his beliefs, and if he turns out to be a nut (which I doubt he will), I apologize in advance.
Also, I disagree with the concept of "legitimising by association". Opposing Repzion because of extremists is like opposing socialism because of Stalin. That's just being too lazy to recognize differences in subjects.
@deathtris By definition, by identifying as a Christian he's making the claims I've given. If he'd said he was a Deist I'd be much less angry but he's a Christian which means he believes what I stated. As for "legitimising by asso.", the situation is different. Socialism is an opinion on how to run a state, it's subjective and dependant on personal philosophy. Theism is a factual claim, it is objective and can therefore be wrong. That's the difference.
@TornadoCreator Identifying as a Christian is not the same as taking a literal interpretation of scripture. Many moderate Christians have ideas that aren't congruent with the Gospels, but they simplify their beliefs by calling themselves Christian.
As for "legit by ass", you're simply playing semantics. Saying "x is right" is a factual claim. Saying "I think x is right" makes it an opinion. You could substitute either concept for x to make it whatever you want.
@deathtris If you don't believe in God and accept Jesus as your "lord and savior" and believe that you are going to heaven through him, you're not a Christian. Someone calling themselves a Christian must believe that, it's the central tenate of the religion. Anything less and you are by definition a theist. As for the second part, it's not semantics. Morality, philosophy, taste, these are not questions of fact, it's opinion. Theology is not opinion, it's an attempt to decern facts.
@TornadoCreator To answer both parts, theology and socialism are both belief systems that make factual claims. Even if you believed in God, Jesus, etc., you wouldn't be a Christian if you did not worship/ accept the "gift" or teachings of Jesus, so the facts and the system of beliefs are not mutually inclusive. And just because you have a definition of Christian does not mean that Repzion uses the same definition. You're just making a No True Scotsman argument.
@deathtris "To answer both parts, theology and socialism are both belief systems that make factual claims." - NO! Socialism makes no factual claims. If you say it does, give me just ONE example. As for your claim of "No True Scotsman", grow the fuck up. That "fallacy" is called up all the time and it's not a fucking fallacy. There are certain criterior that make people Christians, if you don't meet them, you're not a Christian. This is a fucking fact, if you disagree you're WRONG!
You fail to see the biggest flaw in this argument. All the blind men are wrong. There is no truth behind anything they are saying or thinking. Maybe if they were each saying what the actual parts were and working together to figure out that it is, in fact, an elephant...there would be some truth behind what they are saying. But they aren't. You don't need a person who sees the elephant. They could all figure out that it is an elephant if they know what an elephant is.
@MrRepzion because you're following the teachings of an uneducated ancient civilization in which even uttering that the earth might not be the center of the universe made you a heretic and burned to the stake or fed to lions. Or at least you're following what was written down in the big ol' book. I'm open minded to religion, there just hasn't been one that has appealed to me. Famous quote: "When you understand why you dismiss all other gods as false, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
@igotaidsinnarnia could you say anything more arrogant and narrow minded? not to mention extremely discriminate? this probably makes me sound like an ass and i apologize for that, but come on man. generalizations are big reason why people don't get along
@igotaidsinnarnia This is one of my main problems with athiests. They can be really hateful. Christians (a true Christian) loves everybody. Christians are considered hateful for their views on homosexuality but Athiests can call Christians stupid all they want. It's a double standard.
@scottbob103 I respect people's personal beliefs. But I do not respect organized religion. People who are part of a religion obviously lack critical thinking skills.
@igotaidsinnarnia An athiest saying a Christian lacks critical thinking skills is really the pot calling the kettle black! What if you're wrong about there not being a God? If I'm wrong I have nothing to lose but if you're wrong you'll be burning in Hell for all eternity.
@scottbob103 If it turns out that there is a God, I would spit in his face. Why? Because he is a sadistic asshole who like you said, will send you to hell to burn for eternity if you don't "believe" in him. Though.. that's just the Christian God. No other God is that cruel.
You know whats so sad Rep? Youre talking very clearly about religion yet people in these comments STILL have to try and prove something. Why cant people just let others have their beliefs and move on? -_- I agree with you totally!
@evamariaspinelli "It would be too complicated for everything to just appear out of nowhere like the "Big Bang" theory claims."
I've read a theory suggesting an infinite series of Big Crunches and Big Bangs, the universe collapsing and re-expanding in a loop. What's wrong with a universe without creation, just always in existence? Why should time have a start point?
@jvdthwip You know whats funny? Alot of people say the idea of God is far fetched, but do you understand how far fetched a universe without a start sounds?
@ComptonAssMandiiee Considering we learn very early on in our gradeschool lives that matter can't be created or destroyed, (this is an oversimplification, but my point is this:) very early on we're taught the concept that makes the idea of an Uncreated Creator special. However, why is it so far fetched that things can't have just always existed? Certain faiths believe creation won't end (Heaven exists, etc.) Why is it only a one way street? Why claim only certain aspects of reality can exist?
How is THAT far-fetched? If you are Christian, you believe a being who cannot reveal himself to mankind impregnated a 12-year-old virgin. You believe God came in man form and sacrificed himself to himself for evil he created.
@evamariaspinelli I hate how you say and I quote, "Even Atheists and Satanists have reasons to be what they are." Do you see how that's condescending and even pseudospeciation...It comes off like you're saying even those heathen atheists and satanists have reasons. I also hate how you only mention the contemporary religions you hear about in are western society i.e. Abrahamic Religions. If you don't care about religion you wouldn't be defending it. You don't astonish me...
@evamariaspinelli ag-nos-tic - a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. Synonyms: disbeliever, nonbeliever, unbeliever; doubter, skeptic, secularist, empiricist; heathen, heretic, infidel, pagan.
If you believe in a God, then you're a deist...Why can a universe not appear but a god capable of creating one can!?!?
@remilobry Science and religion cannot even be compared. Science measures what can be tested in the universe. God is not of this metaphysical world. He cannot be measured or tested, therefore all this "sci>religion" is a junk argument. Even though science can't be used to prove or disprove god, it can provide evidence. Since there is no evidence against god, and the universe (to many) is evidence that god does exist, it seems like religion is winning the battle logically.
@remilobry would you consider killing off handicapped people since that would increase productivity within society. Our society will be more scientifically efficient without the burden of handicaps.
Repzion, you could say that no religion can envision the entire elephant because they all describe it differently. If , as Christians say, we are all made in the image of our maker, we must feel/ have the same views on the elephant. If we all see the elephant the same way but our descriptions of the elephant are different, then the image of the elephant must therefore be incomplete.
I think he meant, we are all blind including himself. He was using it as a metaphor, saying that we are all feeling parts of the elephant, and have our own opinion. But at the same time we can't find the full picture less we all work together. Which means, bits of pieces of religion are true, put them together to form the "whole" picture. It really is, just a way of explaining how he is agnostic. Or atheist and is a comment meant to start debate. Not so much a statement saying a person is wrong.
Repzion, I gotta wonder: what is it that compels you to be a Christian? You come across as healthily skeptical and rational in regards to religious claims, so what part of Christianity causes you to identify with it?
@MrRepzion So you don't take a literalist interpretation of the Old Testament?
Also, what are your thoughts on the incosistencies between the Gospels, such as the interpretation of the character of Judas? If you're going to talk about these subjects in later videos, I'd rather wait for that then a 500 character response.
I don't see any truths in any religions, especially theistic religions... of course, I don't see any truth in the spiritual aspect at all... I don't see spirituality as anything more than playing on emotion... not actual reality of facts and evidence.
The elephant actually is a very old illustration I don't think it fails. But I agree sort of, which is why I am agnostic.I think his point is that he finds each religion has something important to give, which after studying religion, I found that it has. I don't claim any religion is wrong or right, true or false, and unlike a person who follows one religion, id rather enjoy a bit of them all.
Well I think this guy sort of has a point. I mean if there was a religion that had "the truth" wouldn't it be superior to the others? and there for rais above them? eh who am I to speak really I am a dawrinist or what ever it's called. but MrRepzion I got to say that you are one of the better belivers I have stumbled upon youtube.
To me, I am emphasizing that, to me, in my personal opinion, his argument/illustration sounded intelligent and well thought out whereas your response to it just sounded like an annoyed person using big words to try and win an argument.
I know that's not what you were doing, I did understood the point you were trying to make but.. nah, just sounded kinda likr.. "Oh yeah?! Well here are some big words, said in quick secession which sound really intelligent!"
Even though I don't like religion because of the extremists within each of them, it relieves me to see people like you understand that it's not for everyone and they don't have to have one if they don't want to. Well done, Rep.
What I get from the illustration is that religions are trying to touch some greater 'thing' but no follower of a religion can reach the truth without understanding other religions and spirituality's. So, if you just follow Christianity and don't stop to try and understand Hinduism or Sikhism etc, then you will never find this ambiguous truth you speak. I think it is impossible for one Religion to be "right".
@scottbob103 If you have the read the bible or at least half of it. Their is flaws.(I am not going to tell you what I think about Christianity since it is your religion and you are entitled to your beliefs) But reading into your religion an questioning it is a mentally healthy and is very interesting.
@scottbob103 Oh, okay. So if a virgin is raped, she must then marry her rapist? And gays/adulterers/thieves should be stoned to death in the streets? Slavery is A-okay? Treating your wife as property is fine and dandy too? To speak nothing of the contradictions contained within the Bible ITSELF.
Christianity is fine when taken with a grain of salt. But to say it's 100% true and morally permissible is total hogwash. Sorry.
@TheYouthHeroic First of all some of those verses are being taken out of context. For example, in the Bible it talks about mothers being forced to eat their babies but if you actually read the entire thing you will see that God did not want this to be and these were horrible, disobedient people He was dealing with. Another example later in the Old Testament it talks about God "forcing" people to eat bread baked with feces BUT what if really means is feces was the cooking fuel used.
@TheYouthHeroic It wasn't actually in the bread. God considered it unclean because of what was used as the cooking source. You can't take and just read one verse you have to read the entire book or chapter to understand what it's saying. Also, some things in the OT such as animal sacrifice, not being allowed to eat shellfish and hair length of men does not apply today. They were temporary convenants between God and the OT Jewish people.
@TheYouthHeroic None of this stuff has anything to do with Jesus and Christianity as a whole being flawed. Who else in any other religion died on the cross for your sins and rose again on the third day. What did Buddah or Muhammad ever do that even came close to that?
@scottbob103 Buddha had plenty of miracles that he supposedly performed, same as your religion. This is an argument from ignorance. Purifying tainted well-water, The Taming of the Elephant, the Twin Miracle?
Just because your religion makes miraculous claims doesn't mean they're true. I'm sure Muhammad had claims of miracles too, though I'm no expert on the teachings of Islam.
@scottbob103 Back to my point. You can believe in Christianity, but when you pick and choose which teachings to follow (examples I listed, not the ones you threw out that I didn't make), and which to discard, you cannot then turn around and say that you believe in it's literal 100% accuracy. Capisce?
@TheYouthHeroic I am not picking and choosing verses. You are. God does not support rape. Read Duet. 22. God believes in punishing sinners. You have to understand that and homosexuality is considered a sin to God just like adultery and stealing. That doesn't make Him flawed. That just makes Him strick and a little harsh. Also, even Jesus' disciples performed miracles. Based on your logic everyone of them should have their own religion. You can't compare those miracles to the Resurrection.
@scottbob103 Well the buddha had given up his power of a wealthy boy to discover why people suffer.He fasted,walked miles in forests,and meditated.He then shared his beliefs with others and that was buddhism.But jesus just died on a cross.And what's the point of him dying if he rose on the third day.Doesn't that undo the whole sin thing?
@hutchmaster99 ALL Jesus did was die on the cross and rise again!? Wow. I cannot believe anyone would think that Buddha accomplished more than Jesus Christ.
Bats are birds, whales are fish, the blood of a bird cures leprosy (even on houses), pi is a round number, if you rape a girl you get to marry her, gays should be stoned, dragons and unicorns exist, animals talk, the entire world was flooded, the Earth is flat, rabbits chew cud, the end times should have come 2,000 years ago. Yeah, no lies or flaws whatsoever.
But this is all Biblical stuff. Christianity doesn't need that, does it?
I honestly have no clue why religion matters so much. I'm a cathloc yet how does that change who I am? You atheist are strange...
torchick27 2 weeks ago
Was that a GoodReads account at the end?
BattleHymn2011 3 weeks ago
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trivera648 3 weeks ago
Mr.Repzion, this person does not actually say that he himself sees the entire Elephant. So his or her point is valid, and I agree with this analogy.
Dodolessthanthree 3 weeks ago
Whoo I'm glad to know you are my brother in Christ!!!
StoneCampbellforLife 3 weeks ago
Ok. Same scenario, but instead Blind Man #1 says, "Hey you guys, describe what our animals have in common. Mine has rough skin."
The others say, "Mine does too!"
Blind Man #1 says, "What if we're all touching different parts of the same animal?"
Blind Man #1 is not superior, he just thought outside of the box... Problem solved.
XyonSkits6 3 weeks ago
the superior seems to be atheism..... only they can see the whole.
EmoLight13 3 weeks ago
i thought you were going to stop making videos for a while. it didn't last long
everythingtowhat 3 weeks ago
@everythingtowhat This video is from December as he says first thing in the video. He stopped making videos from the 8 January, with some exceptions.
BasicSoul666 3 weeks ago in playlist Flere videoer fra MrRepzion
The point of the elephant analogy isn't that every religion has a part of the truth, but that they are all different renditions of the same basic message...the guy who messaged you just explained it in a stupid way
3101 3 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
My version of "illustration" on this theme is...
Well, let's pretend that there's a red chair. One religion claims that it's red, therefore speaks the truth. And at the same time one other religion claims that this is a chair and therefore also speaks the truth. Then these religions start arguing about who is right althrought they both actually can see that they both in some way speak the truth.
Hope you understand what I mean.
Loniracia 3 weeks ago
talk about thearchfiend and how he hates RWJ
superparodyboy 3 weeks ago
In response to this, the point of view of the guy could as well be a blind man, but instead of touching one part and saying "It's like this and that's how it is!", he explores more. He's more open minded and sees all the different parts of the elephant and can tell that. Same with religion. Just a thought to think about.
BrandonSteczDrumz 3 weeks ago
Hey Repzion! Its your ol' pal Mrjoshiemoto how you been?
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As a star wars fan(and i'm not sure if your still subbed to me) i was wondering if you'd check out my new video cause its a star trek/wars/firefly type environment. I'd appreciate your feedback for that. :P It's a bit cruddy but its on a budget of 0$ so XD.
MrJoshiemoto 3 weeks ago
all i have to say is well never really no what really a waits us untill were gone.
degrassishanegirl 3 weeks ago
Repzion, you seem like a nice guy, but I have to say that your response was weak. Arguing against the bible is very easy, it defeats itself in many cases. Like in Genesis where in the original version it talked about god creating the firmament. Later, it was edited in modern day to say "dome" in some books so they could erase that error. All religion is a sales pitch to get you to donate/give them money or power.
Cairothejackal 3 weeks ago
i thought you were an atheist...i mean many things you say in videos point to you being a free thinker and an atheist...i'm very surprised
CxerRy96 3 weeks ago
So If I make up my own religion will it have some spiritual truth? Just because it is a religion?
Pretty much what Scientology is :S
DontBeAZombie 3 weeks ago
Religion makes you blind to the whole.
The men each blinded by their particular religion could only see what their doctrines allowed.
The non religious sees the whole.
There is no religion that lets you see freely beyond its confines
And there is no One way of perceiving the universe.
Even when all blind men unite to discuss their findings of the elephant they still get it wrong.
Seek not your god from the words of a book or from the tongues of men but from the spirit of your own soul.
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@dubldeka Nope .
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@dubldeka Very inspirational. I recently turned over to more a 'spiritual' view of the universe. Like, I believe that there are things beyond the human comprehending and that all people have souls, I just don't know WHAT is out there.
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also it is ignorant in its own right to believe someone that believes in religion is not intelligent, the idea of religion is intangible, which arguably is the entire problem, no one can disprove or prove it but in reality, does it matter? for nothing will change if we obtain this knowledge
FlightlessOwlGames 3 weeks ago
i find in the comments majority is explaining what their views on religion is (in a very basic statement that has actually nothing to do with what he said) it is arrogant to believe what you know to be right without the substantial proof to back up your statement, one thing remains true, the existence of god is possible, i am not saying in anyway that i believe in his existence . what in the video explains is true though the individual seeing this needs superior knowledge which no one possess
FlightlessOwlGames 3 weeks ago
There are two types of people in this world; Intelligent people without religion, and religious people without intelligence.
TheQueenIsAWhore 3 weeks ago in playlist Religion And Philosophy
a long long time ago, our ancestors were hunting the mammoth. when they killed the mammoth down they were either pulling or pushing their prey back to the village. that was their way. then some guy turned up with the wheel. no more pulling or pushing the mammoth. it was then all about rolling it back to the village. this is what science is to religion.
remilobry 3 weeks ago
I also think you're taking the whole illustration too literally. Just like with jokes or other various bits of English literature, there comes a point where you need not be as literal.
They're telling the story, not believing that they're the most intelligent being on the planet.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
rarrbaby 3 weeks ago
I was with the whole "parts of the Elephant" thing up until you deemed it wrong. I believe that all religions have their truth, and that is what i'm sticking to. Other religions may think that they're the only right or true religion.
However, if you look at it from a higher perspective, all religions could be right. It's just a matter of who's point of view you're coming from.
Just thought i'd share that bit of my knowledge.
rarrbaby 3 weeks ago
Agreed, good logic. Repzorz, what do you think about other religions? How do you view Norse paganism, Hinduism, African tribal religions, Islam, and the others? Are they completely wrong, are they a proxy for the same thing that you believe? Does the Christian god (who is the one true god from your perspective) accept these religions, or do you just not know what the deal is? The bible seems to be pretty against non-Christian religions, but the bible isn't 100% the word of god (if god exists).
StabbyRaccoon 3 weeks ago
Honestly, I'm more of a Deist than a Christian
xter7856 3 weeks ago
I can tell you the truth about religion really fast, its bullshit, myths transformed in to a tool for control.
TheRenekruse 3 weeks ago
How about you address the elephant in the room here Rep? You're a skeptical guy, you're an intelligent guy. For fuck sake, you're subbed to TheAmazingAtheist, you know all the arguments. So why the hell do you still believe in magical sky daddy? Did you get hit in the head by something heavy? Come on... it really bothers me. I know you're smart enough and skeptical enough to see why your so-called religion is fucking bullshit. Some come on, Why? Are you just trolling us or something?
TornadoCreator 3 weeks ago
@TornadoCreator are you forcing him to believe in some big accident explosion that happened billion years ago? please don't force anybody with your believes. and why you ask? well because he believes in a God.
nickz777 3 weeks ago
@nickz777 However much of an "accident" a universe without a creator would be, there is no reason to suppose that its existence would be any more of an accident than would be the existence of a divine intelligent creator. If a coherent, cohesive universe without a creator is hard to believe, why isn't a coherent cohesive god without himself having a creator hard to believe?
StabbyRaccoon 3 weeks ago
@StabbyRaccoon well I myself believe that God came from somewhere, it's just too complicated for our minds right now to understand or maybe we might be able to understand if only God will tell us right now..during the time of Moses God was still able to communicate with the people but why didn't he say where he came from? because we were still too stupid to even understand what multiplication is.
nickz777 3 weeks ago
@nickz777
Fuck off you stupid creationist prick. I'm better than you, you're not worth my time.
TornadoCreator 3 weeks ago
@TornadoCreator bravo! a penis better than a brain! bravo!
nickz777 3 weeks ago
@TornadoCreator There is no need to be so agressive. I think his current state is in-between belief and disbelief, which many people go through on their way to and from religion (myself included). Insults will only needlessly cause him to balk at whatever position you are advocating.
deathtris 3 weeks ago
@deathtris
There's every reason to be agressive. This person is a Christian... he's actively believing things which are provably wrong and encouraging the same in others. Oh and don't you fucking dare claim I'm the agressive one when there are endless videos threatening me with hell. I'll be as agressive as I bloody well want, I owe Christianity and Christians sod all respect as they never give us any, including Rep here based on his previous video.
TornadoCreator 3 weeks ago
@TornadoCreator So because some Christians said you should go to hell, you're going to take it out on this guy, who, from what I've seen, has never made claims of hell nor condemned others based on their beliefs? Okay, go have fun bitching at VFX and Way of the Master. This is the grownups table, and we prefer to be civil here. He is willing to discuss this subject intellectually and politely, so try to do the same and leave your biases at the door.
deathtris 3 weeks ago
@deathtris
Yes, I'm going to take my frustrations out on Rep because he deserves it the most. He's an intelligent sceptical person who still keeps his faith, he has no excuse. I don't want to "discuss this intellectually" because Rep already knows the arguments, he's subbed to TheAmazingAtheist for fuck sake. He's CHOOSING to ignore them. Rep is a willfully ignorant fucking liar, and he knows it, and he makes it all that much worse because I know he's intelligent. No excuses.
TornadoCreator 3 weeks ago
@TornadoCreator You're truly an idiot. I have never in any of my videos forced or attempted to "convince" anyone of Christianity. So tell me, sir, WHAT video have I made threatening you with hell? None. And your last statement about me not giving others respect is pulling shit out of your ass. If anything, I give more respect to my fellow friendly atheists than I do with Christians.
MrRepzion 3 weeks ago 2
@MrRepzion
I didn't say you threatened me with hell, I was talking about Christians in general. As for respect, yes, you generally do show atheists a lot more respect than most Christians do, you're a generally decent, intelligent, sceptical and respectful person. That's why it's all the more irritating that you believe in your magical sky daddy. Your willful ignorance is infuriating because I know that you know that you're fucking wrong. You have no reason for faith, do you? So why?
TornadoCreator 3 weeks ago
@TornadoCreator You can believe I am wrong all you want. I have a reason for my faith, which will be expressed and explained in later videos. I cannot and will not do it in limited 500 characters or multiple posts. I do have reason for my beliefs, although I have never expressed them in any of my videos as of yet, but I will. You'll have to wait. Plus, it shouldn't matter to you if I believe in a God as God is neither provable nor disprovable.Something both Christians and atheists fight over
MrRepzion 3 weeks ago
@MrRepzion
True, you've never explained why you believe, and I really would like to know because I can't fathom why someone as sceptical and who possesses your will and wit would have faith. That said, your "intelligent Christian" persona is cracking... seriously, did you really hint that you don't understand the concept of the burden of proof. "Provable nor disprovable", don't give me this shit. You're better than that and you know I'm not going to stand for it. Have some integrity.
TornadoCreator 3 weeks ago
@TornadoCreator watch?v=0ghIU_tlX0k
deathtris 3 weeks ago
@deathtris That would be a funny response, and a decent comeback to many psudo-intellectuals who mock people while acting like they understand everything. I'm not them though. I'm not an art's student, I'm a biochemist. I can explain the Big Bang and the evidence that supports it, and even if I couldn't it wouldn't make God any more correct all it would do would make my acceptance of the Big Bang suspect (I never said I accepted the Big Bang btw). Try again, and try harder.
TornadoCreator 3 weeks ago
@TornadoCreator That wasn't really a comeback, just a joke.
Anyways, what do you want me to "try harder" at, exactly? I'm not advocating anything besides civil discourse. I don't find your badgering to be condusive, and I simply think that you should withhold judgement until you know Repzion's reasoning. The fact that he is aware of atheist arguments and seems to be intelligent should make you more interested in his response, not stupidly antagonistic.
deathtris 3 weeks ago
@deathtris
Agreed. It should make me more interested in his reason for being a theist but it doesn't it just angers me. It's far more reasonable to assume that Rep has deluded himself into believing and compartmentalised his thinking, than to assume he has some evidence that the rest of the scientific world has missed. If he does, great, but somehow I doubt it. I've met Christians who are otherwise rational sceptics, a close friend of mine. His faith is why we're no longer friends.
TornadoCreator 3 weeks ago
@TornadoCreator You've made a false dichotomy between delusion and evidence. On the subject of gods, there is a distinct lack of evidence, and Repzion himself has made no claims of having any. When you have an unsubstantiated but unfalsifiable claim, belief is simply a matter of preference.
Would you get mad if he said that he thinks Bigfoot exists? If not, and he is no more irrational for his belief in a god, then why does this anger you even before he explains himself?
deathtris 3 weeks ago
@deathtris If he said he believed Bigfoot exists, yes, I'd be annoyed. Just as angry, no, Bigfoot doesn't hold back political, social and technological advancement, Christianity does, and he's legitimising it by association. If he said he thought Bigfoot was possible, no. I've also no issue with someone claiming God is possible... but he's not making that claim. He's claiming God DOES exists, Jesus IS his son. There definitely IS an afterlife and faith is required to get there. ...NO!
TornadoCreator 3 weeks ago
@TornadoCreator I must have missed when he made those claims, but all I've heard is that he identifies as a Christian. I'm not privvy to the extent and intricacies of his beliefs, and if he turns out to be a nut (which I doubt he will), I apologize in advance.
Also, I disagree with the concept of "legitimising by association". Opposing Repzion because of extremists is like opposing socialism because of Stalin. That's just being too lazy to recognize differences in subjects.
deathtris 3 weeks ago
@deathtris By definition, by identifying as a Christian he's making the claims I've given. If he'd said he was a Deist I'd be much less angry but he's a Christian which means he believes what I stated. As for "legitimising by asso.", the situation is different. Socialism is an opinion on how to run a state, it's subjective and dependant on personal philosophy. Theism is a factual claim, it is objective and can therefore be wrong. That's the difference.
TornadoCreator 3 weeks ago
@TornadoCreator Identifying as a Christian is not the same as taking a literal interpretation of scripture. Many moderate Christians have ideas that aren't congruent with the Gospels, but they simplify their beliefs by calling themselves Christian.
As for "legit by ass", you're simply playing semantics. Saying "x is right" is a factual claim. Saying "I think x is right" makes it an opinion. You could substitute either concept for x to make it whatever you want.
deathtris 3 weeks ago
@deathtris If you don't believe in God and accept Jesus as your "lord and savior" and believe that you are going to heaven through him, you're not a Christian. Someone calling themselves a Christian must believe that, it's the central tenate of the religion. Anything less and you are by definition a theist. As for the second part, it's not semantics. Morality, philosophy, taste, these are not questions of fact, it's opinion. Theology is not opinion, it's an attempt to decern facts.
TornadoCreator 3 weeks ago
@TornadoCreator To answer both parts, theology and socialism are both belief systems that make factual claims. Even if you believed in God, Jesus, etc., you wouldn't be a Christian if you did not worship/ accept the "gift" or teachings of Jesus, so the facts and the system of beliefs are not mutually inclusive. And just because you have a definition of Christian does not mean that Repzion uses the same definition. You're just making a No True Scotsman argument.
deathtris 3 weeks ago
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@deathtris "To answer both parts, theology and socialism are both belief systems that make factual claims." - NO! Socialism makes no factual claims. If you say it does, give me just ONE example. As for your claim of "No True Scotsman", grow the fuck up. That "fallacy" is called up all the time and it's not a fucking fallacy. There are certain criterior that make people Christians, if you don't meet them, you're not a Christian. This is a fucking fact, if you disagree you're WRONG!
TornadoCreator 3 weeks ago
You fail to see the biggest flaw in this argument. All the blind men are wrong. There is no truth behind anything they are saying or thinking. Maybe if they were each saying what the actual parts were and working together to figure out that it is, in fact, an elephant...there would be some truth behind what they are saying. But they aren't. You don't need a person who sees the elephant. They could all figure out that it is an elephant if they know what an elephant is.
Shayrah 3 weeks ago
I nodded every time you said if i understood :OO i did really i did
MrJerelz 3 weeks ago
So, 2 things here
1: Your name is Daniel Salzbach. Why is your YouTube name Mr. Repzion?
2: Why have you taken a break from YouTube?
TheBranderrShow 3 weeks ago
Each blind man SEES part of the elephant?
AHeckman118 3 weeks ago
I thought you were a pretty smart guy until you uttered the words "I'm a Christian".
igotaidsinnarnia 3 weeks ago
@igotaidsinnarnia *Claps* Bravo! That's right! Anyone who is a Christian is automatically stupid and not capable of thinking....
MrRepzion 3 weeks ago 30
@MrRepzion Apparently.
igotaidsinnarnia 3 weeks ago
@MrRepzion because you're following the teachings of an uneducated ancient civilization in which even uttering that the earth might not be the center of the universe made you a heretic and burned to the stake or fed to lions. Or at least you're following what was written down in the big ol' book. I'm open minded to religion, there just hasn't been one that has appealed to me. Famous quote: "When you understand why you dismiss all other gods as false, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
theonlydoberman211 3 weeks ago
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@igotaidsinnarnia could you say anything more arrogant and narrow minded? not to mention extremely discriminate? this probably makes me sound like an ass and i apologize for that, but come on man. generalizations are big reason why people don't get along
jcshadess 3 weeks ago
@igotaidsinnarnia how can you be that rude?
xBecka88x 3 weeks ago
@igotaidsinnarnia This is one of my main problems with athiests. They can be really hateful. Christians (a true Christian) loves everybody. Christians are considered hateful for their views on homosexuality but Athiests can call Christians stupid all they want. It's a double standard.
scottbob103 3 weeks ago
@scottbob103 I respect people's personal beliefs. But I do not respect organized religion. People who are part of a religion obviously lack critical thinking skills.
igotaidsinnarnia 3 weeks ago
@igotaidsinnarnia An athiest saying a Christian lacks critical thinking skills is really the pot calling the kettle black! What if you're wrong about there not being a God? If I'm wrong I have nothing to lose but if you're wrong you'll be burning in Hell for all eternity.
scottbob103 3 weeks ago
@scottbob103 If it turns out that there is a God, I would spit in his face. Why? Because he is a sadistic asshole who like you said, will send you to hell to burn for eternity if you don't "believe" in him. Though.. that's just the Christian God. No other God is that cruel.
igotaidsinnarnia 3 weeks ago
You know whats so sad Rep? Youre talking very clearly about religion yet people in these comments STILL have to try and prove something. Why cant people just let others have their beliefs and move on? -_- I agree with you totally!
ComptonAssMandiiee 3 weeks ago
@evamariaspinelli "It would be too complicated for everything to just appear out of nowhere like the "Big Bang" theory claims."
I've read a theory suggesting an infinite series of Big Crunches and Big Bangs, the universe collapsing and re-expanding in a loop. What's wrong with a universe without creation, just always in existence? Why should time have a start point?
jvdthwip 3 weeks ago
@jvdthwip You know whats funny? Alot of people say the idea of God is far fetched, but do you understand how far fetched a universe without a start sounds?
ComptonAssMandiiee 3 weeks ago
@ComptonAssMandiiee Considering we learn very early on in our gradeschool lives that matter can't be created or destroyed, (this is an oversimplification, but my point is this:) very early on we're taught the concept that makes the idea of an Uncreated Creator special. However, why is it so far fetched that things can't have just always existed? Certain faiths believe creation won't end (Heaven exists, etc.) Why is it only a one way street? Why claim only certain aspects of reality can exist?
jvdthwip 3 weeks ago
@ComptonAssMandiiee
How is THAT far-fetched? If you are Christian, you believe a being who cannot reveal himself to mankind impregnated a 12-year-old virgin. You believe God came in man form and sacrificed himself to himself for evil he created.
Shayrah 3 weeks ago 2
why is the related videos nothing but taylor swift..
TheKalaChu 3 weeks ago
@evamariaspinelli I hate how you say and I quote, "Even Atheists and Satanists have reasons to be what they are." Do you see how that's condescending and even pseudospeciation...It comes off like you're saying even those heathen atheists and satanists have reasons. I also hate how you only mention the contemporary religions you hear about in are western society i.e. Abrahamic Religions. If you don't care about religion you wouldn't be defending it. You don't astonish me...
theelephanttaco 3 weeks ago
@evamariaspinelli ag-nos-tic - a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. Synonyms: disbeliever, nonbeliever, unbeliever; doubter, skeptic, secularist, empiricist; heathen, heretic, infidel, pagan.
If you believe in a God, then you're a deist...Why can a universe not appear but a god capable of creating one can!?!?
theelephanttaco 3 weeks ago
sciences are superior to religions. period.
remilobry 3 weeks ago 15
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@remilobry Science and religion cannot even be compared. Science measures what can be tested in the universe. God is not of this metaphysical world. He cannot be measured or tested, therefore all this "sci>religion" is a junk argument. Even though science can't be used to prove or disprove god, it can provide evidence. Since there is no evidence against god, and the universe (to many) is evidence that god does exist, it seems like religion is winning the battle logically.
srabraves88 3 weeks ago
@remilobry would you consider killing off handicapped people since that would increase productivity within society. Our society will be more scientifically efficient without the burden of handicaps.
Drakeybaby 3 weeks ago
Repzion, you could say that no religion can envision the entire elephant because they all describe it differently. If , as Christians say, we are all made in the image of our maker, we must feel/ have the same views on the elephant. If we all see the elephant the same way but our descriptions of the elephant are different, then the image of the elephant must therefore be incomplete.
AwenColum 3 weeks ago
Sounds like Middlemarch's Dr Casaubon.
hayfeverishbee 3 weeks ago
Am I the only one who rates?
DarkLordHalim 3 weeks ago
In short, the elephant is there because the guy said so. How theistic / idol cultistic.
fingrid 3 weeks ago
But I could of thought about it the wrong way. Either way, keep the videos coming. Who cares when they recorded!
Lazie18up 3 weeks ago
I think he meant, we are all blind including himself. He was using it as a metaphor, saying that we are all feeling parts of the elephant, and have our own opinion. But at the same time we can't find the full picture less we all work together. Which means, bits of pieces of religion are true, put them together to form the "whole" picture. It really is, just a way of explaining how he is agnostic. Or atheist and is a comment meant to start debate. Not so much a statement saying a person is wrong.
Lazie18up 3 weeks ago
Relativism?
sbmg09 3 weeks ago in playlist Religion And Philosophy
Well said.
Domingo0022IWAY 3 weeks ago
Repzion, I gotta wonder: what is it that compels you to be a Christian? You come across as healthily skeptical and rational in regards to religious claims, so what part of Christianity causes you to identify with it?
deathtris 3 weeks ago 30
@deathtris
That would be his brainwashing.
TornadoCreator 3 weeks ago
@deathtris The Gospel compels me to be a Christian. The Gospel is centered around helping those in needs and showing them love, acceptance, and care.
MrRepzion 3 weeks ago
@MrRepzion You don't need an imaginary friend to be loving, accepting and caring. 0.o
starsalt9 3 weeks ago
@MrRepzion So you don't take a literalist interpretation of the Old Testament?
Also, what are your thoughts on the incosistencies between the Gospels, such as the interpretation of the character of Judas? If you're going to talk about these subjects in later videos, I'd rather wait for that then a 500 character response.
deathtris 3 weeks ago
@MrRepzion But alot of religions have good messages. Why Christianity?
python1996 3 weeks ago in playlist Religion And Philosophy
@MrRepzion If you were born in Islam you would be Muslim, Geography is what compels you to be Christian.
Also if you claim the bible preaches Love, acceptance and care, I do not think you have read the bible page by page.
DontBeAZombie 3 weeks ago
I don't see any truths in any religions, especially theistic religions... of course, I don't see any truth in the spiritual aspect at all... I don't see spirituality as anything more than playing on emotion... not actual reality of facts and evidence.
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
The elephant actually is a very old illustration I don't think it fails. But I agree sort of, which is why I am agnostic.I think his point is that he finds each religion has something important to give, which after studying religion, I found that it has. I don't claim any religion is wrong or right, true or false, and unlike a person who follows one religion, id rather enjoy a bit of them all.
TheLadyKaylah 3 weeks ago
for a while I still had spirital belifs but hated organized religions
Vandalia1998 3 weeks ago
Well I think this guy sort of has a point. I mean if there was a religion that had "the truth" wouldn't it be superior to the others? and there for rais above them? eh who am I to speak really I am a dawrinist or what ever it's called. but MrRepzion I got to say that you are one of the better belivers I have stumbled upon youtube.
Dechthem 3 weeks ago
Watched an ad for the Bohai faith before this. lulz.
ShelbyxPwns 3 weeks ago
I've gotta say this..
To me, I am emphasizing that, to me, in my personal opinion, his argument/illustration sounded intelligent and well thought out whereas your response to it just sounded like an annoyed person using big words to try and win an argument.
I know that's not what you were doing, I did understood the point you were trying to make but.. nah, just sounded kinda likr.. "Oh yeah?! Well here are some big words, said in quick secession which sound really intelligent!"
MonkeyThunder5 3 weeks ago
@MonkeyThunder5
May I inquire, what is fallacious about prodigious words when two are engaging in colloquy?
Shayrah 3 weeks ago
Even though I don't like religion because of the extremists within each of them, it relieves me to see people like you understand that it's not for everyone and they don't have to have one if they don't want to. Well done, Rep.
TheHeroofShadows000 3 weeks ago
What I get from the illustration is that religions are trying to touch some greater 'thing' but no follower of a religion can reach the truth without understanding other religions and spirituality's. So, if you just follow Christianity and don't stop to try and understand Hinduism or Sikhism etc, then you will never find this ambiguous truth you speak. I think it is impossible for one Religion to be "right".
javakris 3 weeks ago in playlist Religion And Philosophy
I personally believe that Christianity is 100% truth and has no lies or flaws but you did make some interesting points in your video.
scottbob103 3 weeks ago
@scottbob103 If you have the read the bible or at least half of it. Their is flaws.(I am not going to tell you what I think about Christianity since it is your religion and you are entitled to your beliefs) But reading into your religion an questioning it is a mentally healthy and is very interesting.
mrssj3 3 weeks ago
@scottbob103 Oh, okay. So if a virgin is raped, she must then marry her rapist? And gays/adulterers/thieves should be stoned to death in the streets? Slavery is A-okay? Treating your wife as property is fine and dandy too? To speak nothing of the contradictions contained within the Bible ITSELF.
Christianity is fine when taken with a grain of salt. But to say it's 100% true and morally permissible is total hogwash. Sorry.
Have a good day now.
TheYouthHeroic 3 weeks ago
@TheYouthHeroic First of all some of those verses are being taken out of context. For example, in the Bible it talks about mothers being forced to eat their babies but if you actually read the entire thing you will see that God did not want this to be and these were horrible, disobedient people He was dealing with. Another example later in the Old Testament it talks about God "forcing" people to eat bread baked with feces BUT what if really means is feces was the cooking fuel used.
scottbob103 3 weeks ago
@TheYouthHeroic It wasn't actually in the bread. God considered it unclean because of what was used as the cooking source. You can't take and just read one verse you have to read the entire book or chapter to understand what it's saying. Also, some things in the OT such as animal sacrifice, not being allowed to eat shellfish and hair length of men does not apply today. They were temporary convenants between God and the OT Jewish people.
scottbob103 3 weeks ago
@TheYouthHeroic None of this stuff has anything to do with Jesus and Christianity as a whole being flawed. Who else in any other religion died on the cross for your sins and rose again on the third day. What did Buddah or Muhammad ever do that even came close to that?
scottbob103 3 weeks ago
@scottbob103 Buddha had plenty of miracles that he supposedly performed, same as your religion. This is an argument from ignorance. Purifying tainted well-water, The Taming of the Elephant, the Twin Miracle?
Just because your religion makes miraculous claims doesn't mean they're true. I'm sure Muhammad had claims of miracles too, though I'm no expert on the teachings of Islam.
TheYouthHeroic 3 weeks ago
@scottbob103 Back to my point. You can believe in Christianity, but when you pick and choose which teachings to follow (examples I listed, not the ones you threw out that I didn't make), and which to discard, you cannot then turn around and say that you believe in it's literal 100% accuracy. Capisce?
TheYouthHeroic 3 weeks ago
@TheYouthHeroic I am not picking and choosing verses. You are. God does not support rape. Read Duet. 22. God believes in punishing sinners. You have to understand that and homosexuality is considered a sin to God just like adultery and stealing. That doesn't make Him flawed. That just makes Him strick and a little harsh. Also, even Jesus' disciples performed miracles. Based on your logic everyone of them should have their own religion. You can't compare those miracles to the Resurrection.
scottbob103 3 weeks ago
@scottbob103 All religons are flawed.
Visitormassacre 3 weeks ago
@scottbob103 Well the buddha had given up his power of a wealthy boy to discover why people suffer.He fasted,walked miles in forests,and meditated.He then shared his beliefs with others and that was buddhism.But jesus just died on a cross.And what's the point of him dying if he rose on the third day.Doesn't that undo the whole sin thing?
hutchmaster99 3 weeks ago
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@hutchmaster99 ALL Jesus did was die on the cross and rise again!? Wow. I cannot believe anyone would think that Buddha accomplished more than Jesus Christ.
scottbob103 3 weeks ago
@scottbob103
Bats are birds, whales are fish, the blood of a bird cures leprosy (even on houses), pi is a round number, if you rape a girl you get to marry her, gays should be stoned, dragons and unicorns exist, animals talk, the entire world was flooded, the Earth is flat, rabbits chew cud, the end times should have come 2,000 years ago. Yeah, no lies or flaws whatsoever.
But this is all Biblical stuff. Christianity doesn't need that, does it?
Shayrah 3 weeks ago
makes sense.
GeckoLink 3 weeks ago
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ShadowNny 3 weeks ago
Awesome.
Humberto4790 3 weeks ago
not first
mage588 3 weeks ago