Britian. We thought there where more plans than that which where there. Same goes for the Germans, but when we started sending planes over to France an Norway the Germans where counting less planes. so where sendin fewer fighters. See Britain flew in groups of 12 planes, an the Germans flew in groups of 8 planes. Each side thought they flew in groups the same size as there own. Simple error which helped britain win the battle of Britain an Germany lose. Sorry 4 rantin.
People u need 2 remember Nazi Germany didn't declare war on us. (Britain) we declare war on Nazi Germany. Hitler admired the British people. For wot we had achieved, i.e. The British empire. An he went 2 war with us. And he despised the Russians, but had a treaty with them an split Poland, half hitler, half Stalin. People not takin it away from are great pilots the reason we won the Battle Of Britain. Was because of are stupidity an the german stupidity. When germen planes started cumin 2 Brita
The English channel saved the British from the Germans.That same channel could never have been crossed to defeat the Germans without the Americans might and numbers....and the commonwealth.
If the Russians hadent been hammering the Germans from East, the German army could probably have defended the the channel coast, even with the Yanks helping.
The allies would have had to enter Europe in other ways, other than running up French beaches.
No, the RAF and the Royal Navy saved Britian - ever heard of the Battle of Britain? Also, America would not have had anywhere to launch an invasion from if Britian was defeated.
@smoochym What the hell do you think the Royal Navy was sailing on! The English channel.That short stretch of water was what held up the German army, they would have steamrolled a retreating undermaned British army and what was left of the demoralized French!
If "the channel" hadn't held up the Germans there WOULDN'T have been a Battle of Britain.
We weren't defeated, Thanks to the Navy and the RAF, but they wouldn't have had the chance to act, if not for the channel! That's what saved us!
@efc23 I agree that the English channel saved us in Britain. But if the Germans had invaded and taken over command of the UK, it would not have been for long, as the attitude of the British people would have taken a mighty toll on the Germans. There would have been German officers found in bins with no heads etc.
@spotswood4444 Your right the attitude of the British people (in the 40's), would have been such that the Germans would have faced many problems.Trouble is that as soon as German officers were found in 'the bins' Whole villages would have begun to dissapear, it's what they did!
The men of the village shot, and the women and the children off to the church for a fate as bad if not worse.
The men and women of the 'English resistance' would have had much blood on their hands.
@efc23 what are you talking about ? i live in Jersey in the channel islands and we never had any trouble with the occupying german forces.infact after D-Day the germans starved while the islanders got there red cross food parcels.they never once stole from anyone.islanders were also payed well for working for them as trades men or drivers for org totd or selling them food from the farms.until you talk to someone who has lived under german rule its easy to believe the hollywood version of history
@TheStgmp44 What the hell are YOU talking about? A comment was made about what the British people would have done to the Germans had they invaded mainland Britain, they probably would have put up a resistance like that of France and other occupied countries.High resistance would have been crushed under Nazi jackboot.
If the people of jersey chose to work for them as you say, then sure the Germans would treat them well.Jersey = low resistance, French resistance = bloodshed....(history books)
@efc23 Hitler didnt want to conquer Britain, He loved the British culture and admired the British Empire, He wanted the British as Allies.(The British were treated as equals) If Britain had lost the battle of britain, Then the would have to accept peace and join the Axis, Hitler didnt want to rule over Britain. He wanted the British as Allies to fight communism.
without america there is a chance germany could have won , britian would almost certainly of fell , russia would still hold a 50-50 with germany but america only won because the british had weakened them down so much america were given a victory
@iwazere00 Britian would never have fell, Hitler knew this, which is why he cancelled any plans for an invasion after the Battle of Britian.
After the Battle of Britian, it was clear the Luftwaffe could never gain air superiority over Britian, so stragiht away, invasion would be damn near impossible.
The Royal Navy was far more powerful than the German navy, so even if They made it across the channel, the Germans would be cut off and surrounded.
@lgr1991 Agreed, I don't see how anyone could think hitler had a real chance of taking Britain. The air force couldn't do it, and the UK had a better economic network, which america woud have still backed even if they weren't participating just like they did before they were in. Now UK might not have "won" as the allies did, but they almost certainly wouldn't have lost Britain.
With the soviets throwing human waves at the nazis, and hitler being stupid, there's no way they could have invaded.
@jjjooommm222 I think we could have beaten Germans in the west without America, it just would have taken a hell of a long time, and cost a lot of lives. Britian had already began pushing Rommel out of North Africa, the American landings sped that up but we would have done it regardless, from there, an invasion of Italy would be inevitable, and Britian was already planning an invasion of Europe if the Russians starting breaking the Germans, which they did after Stalingrad.
A blockade is not an attack, it is a means to an end. You seem to overlook the fact that Japan was already committing atrocities in China and was ruled by a feudal militarist regime that had usurped the power of the Emperor and were bent on perpetrating a race war to dominate not just Asia but the world. The 'Evil Round Eye' theory is utterly discredited by historical facts recorded by the many nations that so resoundingly defeated the corrupt Japanese militarists. NO contest.
us british did a lot of work in WW2 its just the yanks take all the glory of winning ww2 and we were in the war first then they got attacked by japs then suddenly decided
England alone had no hope against the Nazis. Without the Russians it is doubtful if even the US would have defeated them. But most importantly, the one person who contributed most to Nazi defeat was the idiot Hitler himself. A litany of mistakes leading to major defeats and the loss of opportunity, the flight of Jewish scientists from the Reich just for a start.
Churchill was one of the world's greatest leaders and an incomparable man with few peers re: intelligence, foresight and just basic guts and I agree completely that he cannot be placed in anything like the same category as Hitler. By the same token, Churchill cannot be given credit for defeating Hitler. That laurel belongs to Zhukov.
Zhukov had 16 million soldiers under him. If Churchill had 5 million he would have won it before it got started. On the other hand if Russia had only 750,000 soldiers then Hitler would have defeated him in a few months.
So if all of actual history had occurred in some alternate world that never actually existed and that better suits your outlook, you would be proved correct? Right, well, can't argue with that can I? Facts are facts and IF doesn't change reality. Please recall the route of the British by Germany that resulted in the Dunkirk evacuation. Hitler did not press his attack and as he later did in Russia, had not adequately equipped his troops to complete their task. If he had, Britain was doomed.
"If " means very little. At Dunkirk Hitler sent his airforce to destroy the British because he feared the RAF would take out his ground troops. The ARF instead took out the Lufftwaffe 2;1 ration, 1 being the RAF and 2 the Germans. Hence why the British were able to win that little victory and retreat to safety even though out numbered. If the Soviets had refused to sell equipment to Hilter and the USA had the courage to fight him then France would never have been taken.
Again, Hitler had not adequately prepared to press an attack and operation Sealion was abortive due to this lack of material preparation. Dunkirk was a victory of human endurance and the courage of many, no argument there. But, there is that IF again....
Hitler failed to defeat the RAF hence he could not do operation sealion. The RAF stopped him. No "IFS" from the RAF just a resounding victory. Keep the "ifs" up and the "only becauses".
You are getting a bit ridiculous now pal. Anyone with even the inkling of a knowledge of history knows that Sealion was inhibited only by the non- availability of landing craft and other equipment. The ensuing Battle of Britain was accordingly won by a coalition of forces because Hitler and Goerring who sought self aggrandisement with empty promises switched their attacks from air bases to cities, relieving the pressure on fighter command. Again, another AH mistake that resulted in failure.
Are you saying that if Hitler had enough landing craft he would have attacked the UK while the UK had all its navy and airforce in tact? Not a chance. He would have lost every vessel he put to sea.
I guess I am using that IF word again aren't I? Anyway, I am grateful things turned out the way they did. I still reckon Hitler's inadequacies played a far more vital role in his own defeat than anything the British contributed. The U.S. and Russia are a very different story.
WHOA THERE BOY, Are you saying that the British contributed littile to the winning of WW2? You are getting onto dangerous ground there mate We stood up to be counted in 1939 we didn`t wait to be attacked we stood by our promise to aid our allies. The British lost nearly a generation of its young men in the 14/18 war and then again 20 odd years later from a much smaller population than the US or Russia SO DO NOT DARE SAY WE DID VERY LITTLE TO BRING DOWN HITLER.
Now take the figures as a percentage of total population
How many civilian casualties did America suffer at the hands of Hitlers Luftwaffe How many years were you at war. Funnily the only war the US has fought without the British you lost. Vietnam, When we went to free the Falklands the British and Ghurkas kicked the Argies off the islands without any help from our American Allies
Operation Sealion was not carried out due to the lack of materials available to Hitler. Though this may have contributed, the main reason was because he failed to take out the RAF. You cannot invade an island without a free reign in the skies. Hitler knew it, and hence why he choice to starve Britain instead, because of the failure of the Luftwaffe. Stop claiming to know everything, because you do not.
The point all you backyard experts seem to be missing is that Hitler chose to re-direct the Luftwaffe against civilian target and thus spared the RAF, who were then able to man-up and win the battle of Britain (with a lot of commonwealth help) . Read your own history! Without aircover the Royal Navy was completely impotent (see what happened to your ships under Japanese attack), so it was only the mistakes of Hitler in redirecting his attack that lead to his own defeat..
The end result is your freedom of speach is because hitler lost ,the main turning of the war was the battle of britain because he would of invaded if he beat our raf then there would of been no d day as england and britain would of fallen BUT our lad 3 to 1 outnumbered won and that was the turning point and even if he invaded it would of been no easy task like france WE DONT SURENDER!
As an American who is 55 years old, reading these comments about our illiterate use of language and inclusion of endless swear words and put downs of others, I would just like to say
"fuc yeah"
That is all.
But thanks for standing up to them while we were having breakfast.
I think that sums americans up to be honest, all the talk about " we saved your ass in world war 2 " is bullshit the truth is usa did nothing as hitler was snapping at our shores it was only untill japan bombed them they got in the fight,and to think britain was the very first to back them after 9 .11 and followed them into iraq and now afgan .......... "fuc yea" what a mess !
Trying to be funny. You are ignoring the naval destroyers, airplanes and volunteers sent before Japan-used in the Battle of Britain and Atlantic. We defended convoys in the Atlantic reducing stress on the UK Navy. But the US was not prepared to help keep under thumb the UK Empire. After Munich Chamberlain used time to create the weapons Churchill fought with. Churchill gets credit, Chamberlain is rediculed but Chamberlain was wise enough to trade time for building weapons. We did the same thing.
Nope not trying to be funny im just sick off the " we saved your ass" rubbish if usa had not of joined the war and great britain had fallen there would of been no staging point for d day and he would of pushed into america with the help of japan but its all history, i was just angry at the "But thanks for standing up to them while we were having breakfast" comment but i for one am glad we have usa as a ally as we are more alike than you think you even use english as your language lol
Sorry I was trying to be funny. The breakfast comment is from Eddie Izzard, I wasn't trying to be smug. UK "Bloody hell where have you been?" US "Having breakfast." You are right we do seem to assume because we can kick ass we are great. We also forget the Russians won the war, UK and US just preserved the West.
No need to say sorry pal looks like i read into it wrong and your right we do assume we are all great and forget the other countrys involed , have a merry christmas pal and lets hope they bring our boys home soon in afgan .
I think if you delve deep enough you will find the French were relying on the Maginot line to stop the Germans, When this was bypassed the French capitulated leaving the BEF high and dry to conduct a fighting retreat it was NOT a rout (not route) The British conducted an orderly retreat, I understood a rout to mean very few survivors. It seems I would have to educate you before I could argue with you.
You are talking about semantics, not reality. Typical English nonce preaching about proper language as if that were indicative of anything important. The English were routed by the Germans in that if they had not escaped they would have been wiped out of existence. The fact they were spared speaks only of the fact they were no longer of any tactical importance and Hitler was considering Germany's future relationship with Britain.
He was wrong again of course and paid the price in the end.
So proper language is not important, I can understand that from some Americans whose language consists mainly of swear words interspersed with epithets.
Language is how we communicate in educated society, without language where would we be?
Getting back to the conversation. On D-Day which do you think were the most successful beach landings. Yup, British & Canadian You know why Because the Royal Navy launched their DD tanks close to the beach Where the US were dropped way out and sank
Thus far none of the arguments I have made have questioned the QUALITY of the British contribution. I do contend that in this industrialised age QUANTITY was of greater importance in terms of a protracted war of attrition. I am not American. Wherever they were engaged, the British, including New Zealanders, Australians, Canadians (?) and Ghurkas (I guess), were tough, well-lead and effective. This does not change the element of simple scale upon which the USSR and USA dominated and won.
I understand your point, but maintain a small group can cause as much damage as a larger force if well trained and led, Ask the men at Rorkes drift, The Paras at Brunival, 617 Sq The Dam busters, The Royal Marines on the Lofoten Islands and St Nazaire.
The LRDG, & SAS As an aside I recently learned that USMC training is 12 weeks long. The British Royal Marines lasts 32 weeks. I would also suggest 300,000 men at Dunkirk when returned to duty would be of "tactical importance"
Thank you, for proving my point conclusively. Hitler considered himself to be an infallible military genius. As far as he was concerned he had countered the British and they were no longer any threat. He was assisted in his stupidity by Goering who swore he could destroy Britain from the air. Hitler monkeyed with that too, again throwing away his own advantages. Why else go on to attack Russia? With the certainty of the clinically arrogant and deluded Hitler did just that and Hitler lost.
Thank you, Friends again, Thanks for an interesting exchange of views, I`m afraid there were one or two misunderstandings along the way but we got there in the end- Just like the war time Allies
I'm afraid I let my hatred of the Nazis overpower me sometimes. Without Britain and the British there would be no free world, there is no question about that. It pains me that even after all of their sacrifices the Russians are still not living a life fit for heroes. Many of the nations that destroyed Hitler have shown social progress, but it is a blight on history that the Russian people still struggle with poverty, corruption and oppression. On days like 11th November it is hard to forget
@MISHMIAH No they didn't. Based on scales, the British dominated in the west by air and sea, and with the USA were fairly even on land. Hence the British Empire and USSR dominated and won.
Sword was the key beach, if this was lost then D day would have failed. Not only did the British take Sword at double time, they then set up a defensive line and too out half the Panzer tanks. As well as that the UK took Pegasus bridge and d day was a success, mainly down to this.
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jmisiur 6 months ago
Britian. We thought there where more plans than that which where there. Same goes for the Germans, but when we started sending planes over to France an Norway the Germans where counting less planes. so where sendin fewer fighters. See Britain flew in groups of 12 planes, an the Germans flew in groups of 8 planes. Each side thought they flew in groups the same size as there own. Simple error which helped britain win the battle of Britain an Germany lose. Sorry 4 rantin.
OB3860 10 months ago
People u need 2 remember Nazi Germany didn't declare war on us. (Britain) we declare war on Nazi Germany. Hitler admired the British people. For wot we had achieved, i.e. The British empire. An he went 2 war with us. And he despised the Russians, but had a treaty with them an split Poland, half hitler, half Stalin. People not takin it away from are great pilots the reason we won the Battle Of Britain. Was because of are stupidity an the german stupidity. When germen planes started cumin 2 Brita
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fangman666 1 year ago
The English channel saved the British from the Germans.That same channel could never have been crossed to defeat the Germans without the Americans might and numbers....and the commonwealth.
If the Russians hadent been hammering the Germans from East, the German army could probably have defended the the channel coast, even with the Yanks helping.
The allies would have had to enter Europe in other ways, other than running up French beaches.
efc23 1 year ago
No, the RAF and the Royal Navy saved Britian - ever heard of the Battle of Britain? Also, America would not have had anywhere to launch an invasion from if Britian was defeated.
smoochym 1 year ago
@smoochym What the hell do you think the Royal Navy was sailing on! The English channel.That short stretch of water was what held up the German army, they would have steamrolled a retreating undermaned British army and what was left of the demoralized French!
If "the channel" hadn't held up the Germans there WOULDN'T have been a Battle of Britain.
We weren't defeated, Thanks to the Navy and the RAF, but they wouldn't have had the chance to act, if not for the channel! That's what saved us!
efc23 1 year ago
@efc23 I agree that the English channel saved us in Britain. But if the Germans had invaded and taken over command of the UK, it would not have been for long, as the attitude of the British people would have taken a mighty toll on the Germans. There would have been German officers found in bins with no heads etc.
spotswood4444 1 year ago
@spotswood4444 Your right the attitude of the British people (in the 40's), would have been such that the Germans would have faced many problems.Trouble is that as soon as German officers were found in 'the bins' Whole villages would have begun to dissapear, it's what they did!
The men of the village shot, and the women and the children off to the church for a fate as bad if not worse.
The men and women of the 'English resistance' would have had much blood on their hands.
efc23 1 year ago
@efc23 what are you talking about ? i live in Jersey in the channel islands and we never had any trouble with the occupying german forces.infact after D-Day the germans starved while the islanders got there red cross food parcels.they never once stole from anyone.islanders were also payed well for working for them as trades men or drivers for org totd or selling them food from the farms.until you talk to someone who has lived under german rule its easy to believe the hollywood version of history
TheStgmp44 11 months ago
@TheStgmp44 What the hell are YOU talking about? A comment was made about what the British people would have done to the Germans had they invaded mainland Britain, they probably would have put up a resistance like that of France and other occupied countries.High resistance would have been crushed under Nazi jackboot.
If the people of jersey chose to work for them as you say, then sure the Germans would treat them well.Jersey = low resistance, French resistance = bloodshed....(history books)
efc23 11 months ago
@efc23 Hitler didnt want to conquer Britain, He loved the British culture and admired the British Empire, He wanted the British as Allies.(The British were treated as equals) If Britain had lost the battle of britain, Then the would have to accept peace and join the Axis, Hitler didnt want to rule over Britain. He wanted the British as Allies to fight communism.
martynrobin121 10 months ago
@spotswood4444 Count me in !
raspberrybaggio 1 year ago
Please Dont forget what Australians did for you all.
bigGaza1 1 year ago
Britain did most for Allies (They were in it all the way since 1939, Soviet was in it from 1940) and Germany & Japan drew for Axis.
angolfin21 1 year ago
without america there is a chance germany could have won , britian would almost certainly of fell , russia would still hold a 50-50 with germany but america only won because the british had weakened them down so much america were given a victory
iwazere00 1 year ago
@iwazere00 Britian would never have fell, Hitler knew this, which is why he cancelled any plans for an invasion after the Battle of Britian.
After the Battle of Britian, it was clear the Luftwaffe could never gain air superiority over Britian, so stragiht away, invasion would be damn near impossible.
The Royal Navy was far more powerful than the German navy, so even if They made it across the channel, the Germans would be cut off and surrounded.
lgr1991 1 year ago
@lgr1991 Agreed, I don't see how anyone could think hitler had a real chance of taking Britain. The air force couldn't do it, and the UK had a better economic network, which america woud have still backed even if they weren't participating just like they did before they were in. Now UK might not have "won" as the allies did, but they almost certainly wouldn't have lost Britain.
With the soviets throwing human waves at the nazis, and hitler being stupid, there's no way they could have invaded.
jjjooommm222 1 year ago
@jjjooommm222 I think we could have beaten Germans in the west without America, it just would have taken a hell of a long time, and cost a lot of lives. Britian had already began pushing Rommel out of North Africa, the American landings sped that up but we would have done it regardless, from there, an invasion of Italy would be inevitable, and Britian was already planning an invasion of Europe if the Russians starting breaking the Germans, which they did after Stalingrad.
lgr1991 1 year ago
@lgr1991 Yes, i agree with you. I mean, the americans just made sure our forces were able to take frace with one push.
I mean, not having them would have a made it a little harder and longer.
I dont get why US takes all the credit for winning WW2, when the soviet army of russia did most of it...
thebestpioltever 1 year ago
A blockade is not an attack, it is a means to an end. You seem to overlook the fact that Japan was already committing atrocities in China and was ruled by a feudal militarist regime that had usurped the power of the Emperor and were bent on perpetrating a race war to dominate not just Asia but the world. The 'Evil Round Eye' theory is utterly discredited by historical facts recorded by the many nations that so resoundingly defeated the corrupt Japanese militarists. NO contest.
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
By whom and when?
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
us british did a lot of work in WW2 its just the yanks take all the glory of winning ww2 and we were in the war first then they got attacked by japs then suddenly decided
penguinzrule12 2 years ago
The Brits take the glory as far as history is concerned. It is the BBC left wing anti English media that tries to insult the British.
warriorprince1010 2 years ago
'Warriorprince??" Blaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! How old are you mate, 12??
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
England alone had no hope against the Nazis. Without the Russians it is doubtful if even the US would have defeated them. But most importantly, the one person who contributed most to Nazi defeat was the idiot Hitler himself. A litany of mistakes leading to major defeats and the loss of opportunity, the flight of Jewish scientists from the Reich just for a start.
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
Hitlers mistakes were in contrast to Churchills lack of mistakes.
warriorprince1010 2 years ago
Churchill was one of the world's greatest leaders and an incomparable man with few peers re: intelligence, foresight and just basic guts and I agree completely that he cannot be placed in anything like the same category as Hitler. By the same token, Churchill cannot be given credit for defeating Hitler. That laurel belongs to Zhukov.
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
Zhukov had 16 million soldiers under him. If Churchill had 5 million he would have won it before it got started. On the other hand if Russia had only 750,000 soldiers then Hitler would have defeated him in a few months.
warriorprince1010 2 years ago
So if all of actual history had occurred in some alternate world that never actually existed and that better suits your outlook, you would be proved correct? Right, well, can't argue with that can I? Facts are facts and IF doesn't change reality. Please recall the route of the British by Germany that resulted in the Dunkirk evacuation. Hitler did not press his attack and as he later did in Russia, had not adequately equipped his troops to complete their task. If he had, Britain was doomed.
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
"If " means very little. At Dunkirk Hitler sent his airforce to destroy the British because he feared the RAF would take out his ground troops. The ARF instead took out the Lufftwaffe 2;1 ration, 1 being the RAF and 2 the Germans. Hence why the British were able to win that little victory and retreat to safety even though out numbered. If the Soviets had refused to sell equipment to Hilter and the USA had the courage to fight him then France would never have been taken.
warriorprince1010 2 years ago
Again, Hitler had not adequately prepared to press an attack and operation Sealion was abortive due to this lack of material preparation. Dunkirk was a victory of human endurance and the courage of many, no argument there. But, there is that IF again....
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
Hitler failed to defeat the RAF hence he could not do operation sealion. The RAF stopped him. No "IFS" from the RAF just a resounding victory. Keep the "ifs" up and the "only becauses".
warriorprince1010 2 years ago
You are getting a bit ridiculous now pal. Anyone with even the inkling of a knowledge of history knows that Sealion was inhibited only by the non- availability of landing craft and other equipment. The ensuing Battle of Britain was accordingly won by a coalition of forces because Hitler and Goerring who sought self aggrandisement with empty promises switched their attacks from air bases to cities, relieving the pressure on fighter command. Again, another AH mistake that resulted in failure.
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
Are you saying that if Hitler had enough landing craft he would have attacked the UK while the UK had all its navy and airforce in tact? Not a chance. He would have lost every vessel he put to sea.
warriorprince1010 2 years ago
I guess I am using that IF word again aren't I? Anyway, I am grateful things turned out the way they did. I still reckon Hitler's inadequacies played a far more vital role in his own defeat than anything the British contributed. The U.S. and Russia are a very different story.
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
@MISHMIAH
WHOA THERE BOY, Are you saying that the British contributed littile to the winning of WW2? You are getting onto dangerous ground there mate We stood up to be counted in 1939 we didn`t wait to be attacked we stood by our promise to aid our allies. The British lost nearly a generation of its young men in the 14/18 war and then again 20 odd years later from a much smaller population than the US or Russia SO DO NOT DARE SAY WE DID VERY LITTLE TO BRING DOWN HITLER.
notwocdivad 2 years ago
Compared to those other nations your contribution was small, boy.
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
Now take the figures as a percentage of total population
How many civilian casualties did America suffer at the hands of Hitlers Luftwaffe How many years were you at war. Funnily the only war the US has fought without the British you lost. Vietnam, When we went to free the Falklands the British and Ghurkas kicked the Argies off the islands without any help from our American Allies
notwocdivad 2 years ago
Operation Sealion was not carried out due to the lack of materials available to Hitler. Though this may have contributed, the main reason was because he failed to take out the RAF. You cannot invade an island without a free reign in the skies. Hitler knew it, and hence why he choice to starve Britain instead, because of the failure of the Luftwaffe. Stop claiming to know everything, because you do not.
winchuni22 2 years ago
The point all you backyard experts seem to be missing is that Hitler chose to re-direct the Luftwaffe against civilian target and thus spared the RAF, who were then able to man-up and win the battle of Britain (with a lot of commonwealth help) . Read your own history! Without aircover the Royal Navy was completely impotent (see what happened to your ships under Japanese attack), so it was only the mistakes of Hitler in redirecting his attack that lead to his own defeat..
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
The end result is your freedom of speach is because hitler lost ,the main turning of the war was the battle of britain because he would of invaded if he beat our raf then there would of been no d day as england and britain would of fallen BUT our lad 3 to 1 outnumbered won and that was the turning point and even if he invaded it would of been no easy task like france WE DONT SURENDER!
bobnudd 2 years ago
As an American who is 55 years old, reading these comments about our illiterate use of language and inclusion of endless swear words and put downs of others, I would just like to say
"fuc yeah"
That is all.
But thanks for standing up to them while we were having breakfast.
dougmccarron 2 years ago
I think that sums americans up to be honest, all the talk about " we saved your ass in world war 2 " is bullshit the truth is usa did nothing as hitler was snapping at our shores it was only untill japan bombed them they got in the fight,and to think britain was the very first to back them after 9 .11 and followed them into iraq and now afgan .......... "fuc yea" what a mess !
bobnudd 2 years ago
Trying to be funny. You are ignoring the naval destroyers, airplanes and volunteers sent before Japan-used in the Battle of Britain and Atlantic. We defended convoys in the Atlantic reducing stress on the UK Navy. But the US was not prepared to help keep under thumb the UK Empire. After Munich Chamberlain used time to create the weapons Churchill fought with. Churchill gets credit, Chamberlain is rediculed but Chamberlain was wise enough to trade time for building weapons. We did the same thing.
dougmccarron 2 years ago
Nope not trying to be funny im just sick off the " we saved your ass" rubbish if usa had not of joined the war and great britain had fallen there would of been no staging point for d day and he would of pushed into america with the help of japan but its all history, i was just angry at the "But thanks for standing up to them while we were having breakfast" comment but i for one am glad we have usa as a ally as we are more alike than you think you even use english as your language lol
bobnudd 2 years ago
Sorry I was trying to be funny. The breakfast comment is from Eddie Izzard, I wasn't trying to be smug. UK "Bloody hell where have you been?" US "Having breakfast." You are right we do seem to assume because we can kick ass we are great. We also forget the Russians won the war, UK and US just preserved the West.
dougmccarron 2 years ago
No need to say sorry pal looks like i read into it wrong and your right we do assume we are all great and forget the other countrys involed , have a merry christmas pal and lets hope they bring our boys home soon in afgan .
bobnudd 2 years ago
Merry Christmas to you also.
dougmccarron 2 years ago
I think if you delve deep enough you will find the French were relying on the Maginot line to stop the Germans, When this was bypassed the French capitulated leaving the BEF high and dry to conduct a fighting retreat it was NOT a rout (not route) The British conducted an orderly retreat, I understood a rout to mean very few survivors. It seems I would have to educate you before I could argue with you.
this is a good example of being a troll though.
notwocdivad 2 years ago
You are talking about semantics, not reality. Typical English nonce preaching about proper language as if that were indicative of anything important. The English were routed by the Germans in that if they had not escaped they would have been wiped out of existence. The fact they were spared speaks only of the fact they were no longer of any tactical importance and Hitler was considering Germany's future relationship with Britain.
He was wrong again of course and paid the price in the end.
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
So proper language is not important, I can understand that from some Americans whose language consists mainly of swear words interspersed with epithets.
Language is how we communicate in educated society, without language where would we be?
Getting back to the conversation. On D-Day which do you think were the most successful beach landings. Yup, British & Canadian You know why Because the Royal Navy launched their DD tanks close to the beach Where the US were dropped way out and sank
notwocdivad 2 years ago
Thus far none of the arguments I have made have questioned the QUALITY of the British contribution. I do contend that in this industrialised age QUANTITY was of greater importance in terms of a protracted war of attrition. I am not American. Wherever they were engaged, the British, including New Zealanders, Australians, Canadians (?) and Ghurkas (I guess), were tough, well-lead and effective. This does not change the element of simple scale upon which the USSR and USA dominated and won.
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
I understand your point, but maintain a small group can cause as much damage as a larger force if well trained and led, Ask the men at Rorkes drift, The Paras at Brunival, 617 Sq The Dam busters, The Royal Marines on the Lofoten Islands and St Nazaire.
The LRDG, & SAS As an aside I recently learned that USMC training is 12 weeks long. The British Royal Marines lasts 32 weeks. I would also suggest 300,000 men at Dunkirk when returned to duty would be of "tactical importance"
notwocdivad 2 years ago
Thank you, for proving my point conclusively. Hitler considered himself to be an infallible military genius. As far as he was concerned he had countered the British and they were no longer any threat. He was assisted in his stupidity by Goering who swore he could destroy Britain from the air. Hitler monkeyed with that too, again throwing away his own advantages. Why else go on to attack Russia? With the certainty of the clinically arrogant and deluded Hitler did just that and Hitler lost.
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
Thank you, Friends again, Thanks for an interesting exchange of views, I`m afraid there were one or two misunderstandings along the way but we got there in the end- Just like the war time Allies
notwocdivad 2 years ago
I'm afraid I let my hatred of the Nazis overpower me sometimes. Without Britain and the British there would be no free world, there is no question about that. It pains me that even after all of their sacrifices the Russians are still not living a life fit for heroes. Many of the nations that destroyed Hitler have shown social progress, but it is a blight on history that the Russian people still struggle with poverty, corruption and oppression. On days like 11th November it is hard to forget
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
@MISHMIAH No they didn't. Based on scales, the British dominated in the west by air and sea, and with the USA were fairly even on land. Hence the British Empire and USSR dominated and won.
MrStig691 4 months ago
Germany declared war on the U.S. actually, so once again it was the moron Hitler who sowed the seeds of his own defeat.
MISHMIAH 2 years ago
Il s'agit du PDT, Poste de Direction de Tir de Ouistreham.
HistoriCall1 2 years ago
Sword was the key beach, if this was lost then D day would have failed. Not only did the British take Sword at double time, they then set up a defensive line and too out half the Panzer tanks. As well as that the UK took Pegasus bridge and d day was a success, mainly down to this.
warriorprince1010 2 years ago
150 000 men in one day...
tigris14 2 years ago
sounds like my ex girlfriend...the slut......god i miss her :)
hockeydudeluv 2 years ago 2
I'm going to Normandy this summer. only 2 months left, can't wait!!!
MajorWits 2 years ago
i wish someday i can go to one of the beaches of d day... and see the bunkers... and the war cars...... i'd love to go there
dpsantos1994 3 years ago
Same here
seanography5 3 years ago
i went with my grandad on the anniversary because he was at sword and a french restaurant owner bought him and others their dinner
Bretwalda1989 3 years ago
My dad was at Sword too.I have a picture of the landing and my dad is right in front.That picture's in lots of videos on youtube
shonajw 2 years ago
Tell your dad thanks :)
AlexWynand 2 years ago
My dad passed away in 1967 from cancer but if he was still here he would have said he was just doing his job.
shonajw 2 years ago
just got home from a trip to Normandy and the grand bunker museum is one of the most impressive sites I'd seen.
Superfarmer08 3 years ago
i'm going to all the beaches and main inland places next year, i can't wait!
warmadscot 3 years ago
nice video
its one of the best bunker in normandy i think
bleedforweed 4 years ago