Gilles binchois: Triste plaisir et douloureuse joye

[frenchiecocorico1]

Il eut été plus logique de mettre d'abord les paroles originales plutôt que la traduction anglaise.

Triste plaisir et douloureuse joye

Poème: Alain CHARTIER (1385-1433)

Musique Gilles Binchois (ca 1400 - ca 1460)

I- Triste plaisir et douloureuse joye,

Aspre doulceur, desconfort ennuieux,

Ris en plorant, souvenir oublieux

M'acompaignent, combien que seul je soye.

[frenchiecocorico1]

II- Embuchié sont, affin qu'on ne les voye

Dedans mon cueur, en l'ombre de mes yeux.

Triste plaisir et amoureuse joye !

III- C'est mon trésor, ma part et ma monoyé ;

De quoy Dangier est sur moy envieux

Bien le sera s'il me voit avoir mieulx

Quant il a deuil de ce qu'Amour m'envoye.

Triste plaisir et douloureuse joye.

[AlainNaigeon]

Who are the musicians ?

(perhaps memmelsdorf on recorder?)

[VoceCorale]

@AlainNaigeon They should be:

Anne-Marie Lablaude (soprano)

Dominique Vellard (lute)

Pierre Hamon (recorder)

from the Ensemble Gilles Binchois' recording on Virgin Veritas

[AlainNaigeon]

@VoceCorale Thank you !

[reinpost]

The voice is all wrong (no pain in sight). but pretty it is. Thanks for posting.

[karlc1980]

Sometimes beauty and pain go hand in hand

[nicodagger]

@reinpost what did you mean that the voice is all wrong?

[reinpost]

@nicodagger I mean that it doesn't sound very doloureuse to me, but what do I know about pain ...

[JonathanMartinovici]

@reinpost I think the emotions seem to be filtered through rationality, so that we don't end up with the same kind of incredibly overcoming emotions that we might get in Rachmaninov or Wagner. But, nonetheless, I think much of the expressiveness comes from the shape and harmonic implications ofthe melody.