Act 3: The Reaction

[LumpyRevolution]

I'll be in D.C. on July 12th for the Revolution March (.com for interested others). It is now our plan (small group of us) to be there with our headphones on in solidarity as well as honor Thomas Jefferson.

[thorsmitersaw]

I hate to generalize but you would think of all people to NOT trust the state it would be black people. You would think the people most FUCKED by the government would be the ones NOT to work for it.

You would think that... except for the whole shuffling off little black boys and girls to public miseducation centers at pain of parental imprisonment.

[DoktorJeep]

If I ever celebrate anything at the Jefferson Memorial it will be firing my rifle amidst the hanging corpses of those who need to be hanged.

And we know who they are.

[TrooperCX]

owned

[wildbill1911A1]

LoL at "Cabbage Patch" ... but this is a wonderful piece of work. It's important to stand up for civil liberties even for the least of these freedoms.

I for one, am going to Jeff and I'm going to dance. In solidarity. I will, however, use an era appropriate minuet.

Video to follow.

[LumpyRevolution]

I'll be in D.C. on July 12th for the Revolution March (.com for interested others). It is now our plan to be there with our headphones on in solidarity.

Brainwashed police state be damned!

[GyBot88]

I am sorry but this is a black cop ignorance.

I am not being racist I am being real. I know

[marsman888]

FREE BROOK! She did nothing illegal.

My Father was a Chief of police in my town before he retired, Cops, atleast cops who do their job, aren't like that at all. The man who arrested her is probally new to the job, didn't finish the acadamy, and the man didn't give us reasons for the arrest because he doesn't wanna look bad.

[StudebakerHawk1982]

Your point about permits is interesting. You ascribe acting like "adults," as seeking permission from our own public servants to peaceably assemble at a public place in celebration at a reasonable date (TJ's birthday.) I worry that you've bought into the nanny state mindset. Parades need permits because they interrupt public activity (streets,) this event didn't, it was self-contained and not near the point of interrupting anyone's enjoyment of the most beautiful memorial in DC. TJ would be sad.

[deanrys]

though tj memorial is open to the public 24/7 according to nps(.)gov, the site also says it requires a permit for, quote,"public gatherings (special events and demonstrations)"... by their own statements, this was a special occasion... hence the guards asking them to cease and desist...

[StudebakerHawk1982]

It was a special occasion, but not necessarily a special event (no more than any party of 20 strolling over from a bar to visit the memorial.) Even if it were, however, that might allow the cops to ask them to leave, but it wouldn't permit arresting a person for asking for an actual justification. You've proved my point, it took you 1 hour tops to figure out a rule to use to break up this act, but these cops were unable to muster any intelligible defense of their actions! Shoddy police work...

[deanrys]

i agree on that point, but again, the entire dialog and ordeal was absent so all of us are judging from a limited perspective... for all we know, (speculation here) she was the only one taken because she had a warrant out for her arrest! :)

[NakedManCA]

It is obvious that she didn't have a warrant for her arrest because they didn't even have her ID until they got her purse. I think the police were totally out of line and the mind set is indicitive of the current administration in the Whitehouse. We now have free speech zones introduced by GW which I think indicates that we no longer have "Free" speach.

[deanrys]

that was a joke, (hence the smiley face). the fact still stands, they were an organized group of 20... sounds like a little respectful coordination could've extinguished this mess.

i agree with you, however, about the ludicrous "free speech zones"... but who are the congress-persons who passed that law?... gwb doesn't have the authority to just institute new laws... the whole system is corrupt and gwb is a symptom of a world-wide problem...

[thorsmitersaw]

fuck your government and its god damn permission slips.

[deanrys]

this isn't my government... and i don't consider myself "law-abiding" because i don't agree with a lot of laws...

but i do pay back caesar's things to caesar...

[thorsmitersaw]

Ceaser's belongings are all derived through theft and murder. They are not rightfully his.

death to Ceaser

[deanrys]

if you feel so strongly, you would've done something about it. not watch other people's conflicts with freedom and authority...

[writergrimm]

The same document that gives you the write to publish your comment - gives them the right to harmlessly dance at a public monument.

[itchyandscratchy]

I can't believe what I just witnessed. I wish I was in Washington, I would have been there with you.

[blb2121]

With freedoms, rights and civil liberties comes social responsibility. And descending on a national monument at midnight in an organized group of 20 to 30 people unannounced to turn it into your own personal party is not acting responsibly. I'm sorry you and others do not get that. Just because you have freedoms (rights) granted under a society does not mean the world is your personal playground.

Your goal was to create a confrontation and an impression of "oppression" where none exists.

[StudebakerHawk1982]

Dude, your comment is just silly! Unannounced? It was Thomas Jefferson's freaking birthday... you might think that the people who respect and share his vision would show up to celebrate (its really unfortunate it was only 20 or so)... Do we really have to get Daddy Law's permission to have a peaceful, respectful celebration? The people acting irresponsible here are the agents of the state who abused the little power that we have acquiesced to them! FREE THE JEFFERSON 1!

[deanrys]

blb2121's comment is accurate and true... these people might've had what they thought was a good idea, but they acted immaturely and unwisely...

social responsibility has a lot to do with it... if they would've shown respect, they would've had no problem... it would've taken one person to coordinate for this to have gone down peacefully...

then they resisted instead of backing down... they basically asked for it...

[StudebakerHawk1982]

1st, it appears that the vast majority complied with the officers' edict. 2nd, this did go down peacefully, until the officer decided to initiate force. TJ1 merely questioned the authority that demanded that she leave a public place, and for that she was cuffed, shoved against a pillar, and arrested... I can't believe anyone would place the blame on her! She was not disrespectful, as I probably would've been, she just asked for clarification, and for that she was treated like a criminal.

[deanrys]

i respect your feelings, but the truth is, we didn't hear what she might've said and we didn't know what she might've done... there must be something we missed...

but the point is, it didn't go down peacefully... for example, a parade is a celebration in a public place. even a small one requires a permit or they could be charged with disrupting the peace, right? they could've been adults and got permission to do this. instead, they effectively decided to stage a coup...

[StudebakerHawk1982]

Thanks for the respectful discourse, we should notify YouTube as this might be the 1st time its happened on their site. I'm a little worried, however, by where you place the burden of proof, you're willing to assume that we must've missed something that this 125 lb, 5'9" female could've said that might justify the force that was initiated? I don't think there is anything she could've said that would justify the treatment!

[GuinnessPhish]

actually, the people who look ridiculous are you all. Don't you have anything better to do? 

You seriously need lives.

[bluebettle]

They're going out and having a social gathering and they don't have lives?

What do expect someone to do on their free time, cure cancer?

[Karusune]

GuinnessPhish: Your statement is absolutely pointless considering that you're telling other individuals that they need lives, yet you're currently on the internet replying to a video on a website that is constantly referred to as being a safe haven for people who lack "lives". There is also the fact, as already stated, that this was a "SOCIAL" gathering. I love how you make sense through all of this...