DAMIT SC needs to start it all over so all us southerns can be free this time thay have a prez that wont stop us cause he dont have a clue whats goen on in DC.
I pray Georgia and other southern states will secede one of these days I want to have a right to own anything I want without the Government taxing me or telling me what I can own.My idea untied southern states would be that the states hold all the power and the feds have none and if the fed uss tries to take citizens rights away then they can be legelly shot on sight for treason.
before states secede i think we should try Ron Pauls approach and just disband government departments. Give the states more power. Its the feds that are fucking up, not America
@SAMSIZZLE123 We tried that in the past with the articles of confederation. failed because the states didn't help one another. (The big problem being no states would send troops to stop shay's rebellion in Massachusetts.) the states would behave like their own nations and well no more US.
@fRoMeThEwEsT Even under the Constitution each state was guarenteed the rights to act as seemingly independent nations. That is why the US is the "Union" and not a "nation."
It is a "perpetual union." The thing is, the Union has been disbanded, and the states all but abolished as effective legislative bodies, but instead merely districts. The original meaning of the States was the equivalent of England and Spain, and not merely provinces like Brittany, France, or Andalusia, Spain.
@SAMSIZZLE123 yeah disband the federal government that'll work. Just like the Articles of Confederation worked. In fact the AoC worked so well we wrote a constitution and threw them out all together
@SAMSIZZLE123 Ron Paul's approach is very much in line with the Constitution, the thing is, his approach does not call for the proper post-industrialization Amendments needed to create a stable first world social and economic structure.
There is no doubt in my mind the States need to legally give up power, but they also need to take back the power illegally usurped by the Congress. And the Congress needs to take back the power illegally usurped by the Executive branch. Supreme Court = mess.
" Whereas the Constitution of the State of New Hampshire, Part 1, Article 7 declares that the people of this State have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent State; and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right, pertaining thereto . "
Despite the grave consequences for citizens and the direct assault on the US Constitution, the act managed to make it through both halves of Congress and Obama says that he does not plan to veto it .
one provision in NDAA FY2012 will allow for the reinstatement of “enhanced interrogation techniques,” essentially making waterboarding and forms of psychological torture a very possible reality for anyone America deems to be a threat . Under the legislation, the United States of America is deemed a battlefield and Americans SUSPECTED of committing a terrorism offense can be held without trial and tortured indefinitely.
new " National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 " .............. which says that any person who has committed a "belligerent act" could be held indefinitely without trial by the military . including American citizens on American soil anyone alleged to be in opposition to the US government’s game will now be subjected to military-style detention indefinitely.
States can still secede from the union, the federals can say they took away that right, but they have never had that authority. Its simple math, people created the states, states created the federal government and the 10th amendment says it all about the federal governments power, its limited, whether they believe it or not!!
A better idea IMO would be for the states to seize back their sovereignty, by declaring themselves autonomous, and simply ignore the feds on the issues the Constitution says are the states' prerogative. And to enforce that, send the feds no money until they get the idea. And also return the senators to state legislature election, instead of popular election, as it was. Then we have a Senate based on state power.
@TheDoug76 . that exactly what 21 states have done within the last two years they have declared sovereignty . just google " 21 states declare sovereignty " the government has banned it from being reported by tv networks but there is a lot of info online about it . the declaration of sovereignty from New Hampshire to the federal government is good reading you should check it out ;-)
@TheDoug76 The Euros are always having wet dreams about the USA breaking up. Don't hold your breaths!There are other ways of dealing with O'Bummerism.
@rigamarrow Yeah, kinda like waiting until his term's over? It's irritating when people act as if the President currently holding office is going to be President forever. He's our 44th because we elected him, then he'll leave and we'll elect a new one. He isn't our 44th and only.
@TheDoug76 ending with a warning to the fed that they might choose to cede " all powers previously delegated to the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States shall revert to the several States individually. Any future government of the United States of America shall require ratification of three quarters of the States seeking to form a government of the United States of America and shall not be binding upon any State not seeking to form such a government " .
@TheDoug76 they stated that they will cede entirely if the government does not stop with their efforts to intervene in states rights . the other 21 states have similar declarations sent to the fed government .
@jenni3613 Likely a statement to force the Feds to back off. But if the Feds persist, and they will, I think the states had better follow through on their pledge.
@TheDoug76 the following 21 states HAVE declared sovereignty ..............Alabama , Arkansas , Alaska , Arizona , California , Colorado , Georgia , Hawaii , Idaho , Indiana , Kansas , Maine , Michigan , Missouri , Montana , New Hampshire , Nevada , Oklahoma , Pennsylvania , Texas , Washington , and most recently Utah . Those getting ready to declare soon are ........... Florida , West Virginia , Ohio , Tennessee , South Carolina , Montana , Minnesota , Iowa , and Kentucky
@TheDoug76 in part.........."any Act by the Congress of the
United States, Executive Order of the President of the United States of
America or Judicial Order by the Judicatories of the United States of
America which assumes a power not delegated to the government of United
States of America by the Constitution and which serves to diminish the liberty of the any of the several States or their citizens shall constitute a nullification of the
@TheDoug76 " Acts which would cause such a nullification
include, but are not limited to: Establishing martial law or a state of emergency within one of the States comprising the United States , Requiring involuntary servitude ,Surrendering any power delegated or not delegated to any corporation or foreign government , Any act regarding religion , and Further infringements on the
right to keep and bear arms including prohibitions of type or quantity
you can't secede from the nation. We lost that right after the Civil War. Only way out now is straight up war and violence. It's probably too late to do anything to stop our government. Time to jump ship.
states have been ceding from the union for the last 17 years . California was the first to do so . mainstream media is not allowed to report on this ( national security reasons ) but there are many independent report on this online . just google ----------> " american secession movement " this is no joke .
I'm all for it. I'd rather live free than be bound by the shackles of socialism. All of you liberals with your condescending self righteous attitudes can think and say whatever you want. Just stay the fuck away from me.
@MrBolas33 you obviously know absolutely nothing about socialism; or you are just a greedy fuckwad that could care less about his fellow man and endorses corporate slavery
@Chaser880 And what's so greedy about keeping the money I work hard for? Why should I get up for work at 6:00 am every day and let pseudo intellectual liberal pussy like you take my money away from me and give to some irresponsible single mom or deadbeat loser who hasn't earned it? You obviously know absolutely nothing about the real world.
Take your socialism and stick it up your ass. Fuck obama.
@MrBolas33 I hope to god you are still alive when the inevitable revolution comes and the 99% rise up up and do away with people like you. And the way this country is goingi garuntee you if things do not change there will be a violent uprising. Coz it totally makes sense for the top 1% to pay less taxes proportionately to everyone else. in the 40's the super rich paid a 90% tax did not seem to hurt them too much did it.
@MrBolas33 but no they needed more money than they'll ever need. fuck eveyonelse who cares if people are living on the streets dying because they cannot afford medical treatment. living with crushing debt. just so long as i get to keep my money. I pity you really i do.
@Chaser880 So what are you saying? That the world is imperfect? Well, cry me a river. if you're so concerned about thses people, why don't you gather them up and take them down to Cuba for treatment.. Think you'll find it? Ask your liberal god obama to pay for it since he and his union buddies are exempt from his own piece of shit health plan. And by the way, I didn't ask for your pity..asshole.
@colombus66 We aren't even capitalist anymore. The U.S. is in this weird limbo on free market and planned economy. The problem is we have restrictions and limitations where we shouldn't and then none where we should.
The free market works relatively well. Far better than any other known economic system. There is a balance between laisse farie (which is a disaterous policy in a developed nation) and where we are heading.
I apologize if anyone is from any of these states or happen to love these states, as I don't mean any offense to anyone, but I'm actually fine with Texas seceding. If they do secede, which I hope they do, I hope they take Alaska, Arizona, Oklahoma, some of the far-right backwater areas of the USA, the entire Tea Party, Fox News, far-right talk radio show hosts & all far-right conservatives & republicans with them
@jediguardian1 Just like Quebec keeps saying it will split from Canada, it will never happen. People don't want to repeat another Civil War, that's why Lincoln showed states, they can't just leave whenever they're pissed off. Also most Texans, Californians, and the Florida people would not be for the recession, and would either have pro-American revolts, or vote to keep it the same if they had the chance. The US is still the world's best country and if it becomes 2, what's wrong with that?
@ListWritingMachine I didn't say I wanted them to leave did I? I'm just saying facts I heard. Also I agree, Quebec will never leave Canada, It would be very foolish if they did so.
@jediguardian1 Actually there have been close to 27 attempts for California to secede into the original independent California Republic, or break up into multiple states.
this is shear stupidity, the author seems to not realize the purpose of a constitution. states do have the right to be different. but some things we have to be the same on. its just another attempt by the right to be spoiled brats. god i wish republicans and the right would just crawl in a hole and die
if some states were to seceed there would be some idiots thatll think anarchy and go around robbing and killing innocent people pretty much like union soilders did during the war
This makes sense. Read up about why Quebec is still part of Canada in 2011 when it had alot more cause and ability to secede then any American state. It was because Canada allowed Quebec the power to regulate immigration to a degree, made the country bilingual at the federal level, and made it so basically we get all the benefits of being in a big country while still being able to run this place our own way. It's worked well, where once we had terrorists we now have harmony and improving feeling
we dont need politicis we dont need borders - we need to realize all people are human beings and we share just 1 small bioshere - we need a resource based economy - where all the worlds people can throw off the lie of scarcity - no reason on this earth why half the people should work for 2$ aday or 1/7 for 1$ - we have the know how to provide abundant wealth to all people and do it sustainably and with no subjugation - watch zietgeist addendum and all the zeitgeist movies- 1100+chapters in 2yrs
In one month Texas would belong to a drug lord and the new illegals (Texans) would be trying to cross the border to the USA. All those guns we are sending to Mexico will be used to slaughter and possibly wipe out the lonestar state. What a stupid thought I can't believe it came out of a college graduate. What does he think we can do without and army. The USA would then invade oil rich texas to stop the weapons of mass distruction.
The issue w/ any state leaving the union to become their own country is that they would have to establish their own economy, their own money, pay back all debts owed to the US and establish their own military. Many states including TX would have to import food to feed their citizens- especially now during their drought. This is why QC has never left Canada and this is why no state despite threatening to do so has actually left the US since the Civil War. Too damn expensive.
@PanVet100 Oh trust me I know the guy. Claims women's rights don't exist and that New Yorkers can't defend themselves against criminals. In NY we have a law that states we can shoot an intruder. But hey I guess that doesn't match TX where you can shoot someone for cheating at old maid.
Man, you've got problems. Even though you know little about me, you attacked my opinions Tues on the secession issue, really a non-issue. I mistakenly thought you wanted to debate me, but all you did was masturbate and fling insults. You haven't refuted my claims and you haven't presented any FACTS. All you have really done is promote your secessionist agenda and that biased video. You can't even stand by your word and AVOID me here or on my channel comments. You act like a sad attention whore.
By the way Misstate. With your grammar, punctuation and sentence structure abuse, you shouldn't try to diminish the intelligence of others. Although your comments do make normally tedious secession talk more humorous and enjoyable it does get old pretty quick. Bye.
I see it now. the south seceded and then the south crumbles with their pro ignorance culture while the north rejoins the modern world. it is sad that the bible belt would want to do that to its self but I am sick of them dragging the sane part of this country down with them. go ahead and leave.
As a non-american who supports spliting the union in 2 because of the political and economic benifits, Im biased towards agreeing with you, but unfortunutly if you read the legal documents Texas does not have the right secede. If it did though I would like to see it happen.
I believe in our constitution and this is the reason why Texas joined The United States in the first place ..........To BE FREE MEN .......... together as one...... If the United States wants to become socialist , Then why should Texas jump off the clift with the rest of the people who no longer want freedom . Our government wants us to give up our freedom and hand it over to the U.N. . The U.N. is collection of nations that hate us !
Texas, Vermont, South Carolina, Alaska, and other states with secessionist movements believe in the constitution too and feel it's not being enforced. Instead Washington continues to interfere with state affairs and ignoring their interests while sticking its nose in other countries business. If the government upheld the principles of self-governance and non-intervention like its supposed to then there wouldn't be nations that hate America or secession of the states.
Texas' history is unique of most states: they began as a republic in 1836 against Mexican rule, later joined the US in 1845 in hope of having a better government & said they had the "right" to secede demonstrated when in 1860 they joined the CSA but were forced back to the union in the civil war. Other states: pre-1790 Vermont, the former state of Franklin in the Appalachians, Hawaii as a kingdom under Polynesians, the Oregon & Utah provisional governments, & West Florida were once countries. +
i have to agree the us has become a shithole of a country controling its people claiming its in the name of FREEDOM when they tax you because you have to poop,tax your food, tax your tp, tax your underwear, tax your water, TAX YOUR DEATH, and much more the usa is money hungry and no longer cares about its ppl thats why socialism would be best. at least you wount have to be black to get a welfare check anymore.
The bank's just announced there Warning to Washington. Raise your debt ceiling or get ready to be reviewed and have your loan rating under review. To get degraded from Sterling to god know's what crap they have to offer.
Better get ready for the $ Dollar $ to devaluate ...
Your purchasing power just went down and everything else just went up.
Without the thought of treason there would be no America as it is today.
If George Washington and the rest our four father's had not looked toward's freedom and stayed loyal. You'd possibly would become a british subject.
Luckly for us this was not the case. These were men and not mere boy's.
The one's that cry out as this is treasonous are mere children. Afraid of what may come and do not know the taste of freedom with out being subjected by gross taxes , laws and error of this govt..
Folks, the US Constitution that everyone says bars states from seceding would not exist if the original 13 states hadn't seceded from Britain. I didn't see anywhere in the US Constitution where the states gave up that right, as a matter of fact I'm sure the 9th and 10th amendment reserved it as an undefined power.
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Your little secession aka treason would not work for the same reason it didn't work in 1860. But what the heck, why not give it a whirl? You can clean up after hurricanes and oil spill disasters after yourself, without pestering the rest of us
@upsilon054 Just had a good laugh reading that. Violence is ALWAYS the answer with you people. If we want to leave and Govern ourselves you shouldn't care. Be an adult and mind your ow n business. If you don't live here you don't understand. There is nothing magical about Washington. Right now it is screwing everybody with Gas prices approaching 4 dollars a barrel. We could manage everything better and why shouldn't we? America isn't real it's a man made concept, an ideal. Reality = People.
@Luigi84289 Oh, that's okay. I had a good laugh watching your faux religious video. I also laughed at the irony of you having a picture of the Constitution, which you apparently want to shred. Being a Yankee boy, your offer does sound tempting, however, I must reject it. Once again, that pesky Constitution gets in the way.
Gas does not come in a barrel, oil does, and it has been ages since oil was $4 a barrel.
@Luigi84289 Yeah, well, that's nice, Luigi, but unfortunately, I can't. Unlike you, I'm a loyal Yankee American citizen who thinks that treason is treason.
@Takeover94 I'm afraid not. It's up to you, but you may want to keep in mind that the cogency of an argument is inversely proportional to the number of four letter words and insults contained therein.
@Luigi84289 Speaking of violence, looks like your little governor might have caused an international incident when he executed his latest prisoner. Not only that, it's possilbe Perry might have endangered the lives of Americans abroad. Congratulations.
@upsilon054 You do realize that the country is mainly supported by state economies right? That many of the states in this nation, particularly on the coast, could support themselves and be fully capable of taking care of their citizens if not burdened by the federal deficit and over taxation? The federal government is essentially a big piggy bank that we, as states, give money to, then elect people we “trust” to spend it in our best interest…which they don’t do.
@firemedic30ca Most of the states if secession really took hold would have to most likely stay merged with 1 or more adjacent states. New states could be erected from this. A state is supposed to be a self sufficient region. Texas, California, Oregon and Washington as well as a good chunk of the North could maintain stability and economic success but Washington with the wealth redistribution of tax dollars has made it to where it will take a period of time before the rest can be independent.
@upsilon054 Oh im sorry. I guess i should be so happy about them taken 33% instead of the typical 35% I mean, i really enjoy paying into social security and medicare so that other people can live off the money i worked my ass off for, and will never see. So yeah, you're right, what the hell do i have to be angry about? Its not like i have 4 kids i can hardly keep covered under medical insurance, or work at a fire station in a town 60 miles from where i live costing me $200 bucks a week in gas.
@firemedic30ca Blah, blah, blah, taxes are lower now then they've been in generations. Under Obama, your taxes when down still more. But you're still bitching and whining. Here, copy and paste this in the YouTube seach bar: Countdown WTF!! Segment: Texas Secession . Now stop talking nonsense.
@firemedic30ca Actually, I wanted to respond to someone else, and I inadvertently responded to you. I wrote something in your account; didn't you see it?
@upsilon054 Actually, I wanted to respond to someone else, and I inadvertently responded to you. I wrote something in your account; didn't you see it?
@upsilon054 The more states that leave, the more the federal governments bleeds and eventually dies. The states don’t need the US government, the us government needs them. Thats the only reason the civil war was fought. You can believe it was over slavery if you want. In reality the southern states made up the majority of the early American economy and was the main provider of food and raw materials to the union. When they left, the union said “oh fuck, there goes our economy" and ran after them
@firemedic30ca Actually, it was slavery that caused the South to secede. If you don't believe me, check out the articles of seccession which are available online, and count the number of times you see the word "slavery" or "slave"
@upsilon054 And no, slavery was only a minor contributing factor, the straw the broke the camals back. If you'd like to find out more, i suggest you go to a library instead of the internet to actually learn about american history. Wikipedia is not an accepted scholarly source of information. My point was, the NORTH would not have fought after those states in the SOUTH if it werent for the fact they lost the majority of their economy with them secceding. They did NOT care about saving slaves.
@firemedic30ca Some items. First, slavery was the biggest issue with respect to the South. If you don't believe me, check out the articles of secession, and count how many times slavery is mentioned. Second, the only thing the only thing the South had in abundance was cotton, slaves, mules, and "gentlemen". It certainly wasn't industry or gold, or even education. It is not true that the South made up the majority of the American economy. You seem to be making up "facts"
@upsilon054 No you’re right. The south didn’t have the fishing industry, tobacco trade, or all the access ports to the Mississippi (a heavily utilized trading route). I guess im wrong and have no idea what im talking about. Oh just an fyi for the guy that knows history better than me, the cotton trade was the most lucrative industry the United States had at that time period. If the south had gained its independence, it would have been the 4th richest country in the world smart ass.
@firemedic30ca The Union had 25 states, a population of 22 million, 100,00 factories, 1.1 million workers, 20,000 miles of railroad, $189 million in bank deposits, and $56 million in gold specie. Your side had 11 states, a population of 9 million, of which 3.5 million were slaves, 20,000 factories, 101,000 workers, 9,000 miles of railroad, $47 million in bank deposits, and $27 million in gold specie. Tobacco is not an edible crop, and in any event, grows well even here in the North. Cheerio!
@upsilon054 The North favored a loose interpretation Constitution, the South wanted to reserve all undefined powers to the individual states. The North also wanted internal improvements sponsored by the federal government, increasing taxes to fund infrastructure projects, the South, did not want these projects to be done at all. The North wanted to develop a tariff. to protect the Northern manufacturer, the south did not, as a high tariff would not let the south trade cotton for foreign goods
@upsilon054 The final change that forced the south to secede was slavery, which they relied on heavily for their agriculture. Several important reason, that apparently is just me "making up facts". Its kinda sad that you're almost twice my age, yet this ignorant about US politics and history.
@firemedic30ca Thanks, but I know quite a bit about history. So slaves were essential for agriculture? How did we manage after the passage of the 13th Amendment? In fact, how did the Union manage when the South was in revolt?
@upsilon054 The states have every right to secede from the union, should the majority of its citizenship decide that’s what they want, and it be voted upon by just cause. I think the government spending nearly 2 trillion dollars of our money to help banks and greedy corporations continue to fuck us, is just cause. I think waging war for global dominance while our citizens struggle to survive by being over taxed to wage those wars is just cause.
@upsilon054 "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security" - Declaration of Independence. It may not be a constitutional law, but as free people, yes, it is their right to leave the union if they choose.
@upsilon054 You're right though, like you said, bye. Cause it worked out so well for Great Britain when we left, didn’t it? It would be nice to get away from so many ignorant, flag waving, blindly patriotic people like you, that don’t seem to realize they are losing all their freedoms election after election. Pulled in by the simple speeches of evil men, the mundane masses form to celebrate the death of freedom with thunderous applause. But at least you got a miniture american flag out of it.
..being buried under medical debt to the point of bankruptcy for giving birth to a pre-term child that required extensive measures to keep it alive, with no help from the government, while the feds turn around and spend 15 billion annually on health care for illegal immigrants is just cause. I think having american jobs sent to foreign countries because its cheaper to make shit for walmart to sell is just cause. Put some thought into what these people are talking about before you shoot it down.
@upsilon054 succession is within our Right's. AND it is how America was formed in the first place. We seceded from Great Britain's tyrannical rule. And if we had balls we would secede from our governments tyrannical rule. Read the declaration Many things happening Right Now are the very reasons we came across the pond to begin with.
@blazacwoot It IS treason. But what do you want me to do about it? Your treason is YOUR problem, not mine. I'm not the one the government might try and hang.
@upsilon054 I live in Tennessee, Sorry but we aren't going anywhere. I'm simply stating that these are our rights whether the current administration likes it or not.
@ddougy1 Tell you what: If you promise to keep Bush (you know, the guy who irresponsibly cut taxes and then started those wars) and your goofy governor Perry in your state, I won't complain if you leave. Deal?
It's just stupid talk. Bavarians have also been saying they want to leave the Empire/Republic since its foundation in 1871 but they're still in. And Texas is America's Bavaria. They talk and talk and talk but they will NEVER leave the Union.
@HerrWagnerfreund You don't believe they will but that is fallacious in and of itself. Look at history dude over the last 100 years. America just grew in size in 1959. The world is change. Texas will leave just like all the states eventually when the people in them decide.There is no border security. People who don't live in Texas have no idea the level of verbal and physical abuse that is thrown our way by all these illegals day in and day out just for being white and supporting Texas.
@HerrWagnerfreund hey moron we already left the union once and well do it again. I don't understand why people have such a hard time with us wanting limited government, freedom, and a return to constitutional principles. Our government was set up as a limited one for a reason, to keep greedy men from taking any of our freedoms, period. ''progressives'' say oh you just need to sacrifice just a few rights, its for the safety of us all, then more and more and more, until were no longer free.
@HerrWagnerfreund ''They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety'' Benjamin Franklin
@ 1:33 that whole thing about "the right to live your life as you see fit, so long as you do not infringe on the liberty of another human." brings to mind a lot of political issues like: marijuana prohibition, gay marriage, abortion, ect..
Freedom means freedom for everyone, not just for you and your way of life, If only more people embraced the foundation of our nation and lived by the values they claim to embrace.
Right of Self-Determination!
YoshiRider9000 5 days ago
i like this version of this song
damnskippy1988 1 week ago
@Nameinprogression you spelled it wrong
TheScrambles1 2 weeks ago
You're obviously retarded and nobody will take you seriously if you can't even spell CECESSION right, dumbass.
Nameinprogression 3 weeks ago
DAMIT SC needs to start it all over so all us southerns can be free this time thay have a prez that wont stop us cause he dont have a clue whats goen on in DC.
SOUTHERNANDPROUD1861 3 weeks ago
I pray Georgia and other southern states will secede one of these days I want to have a right to own anything I want without the Government taxing me or telling me what I can own.My idea untied southern states would be that the states hold all the power and the feds have none and if the fed uss tries to take citizens rights away then they can be legelly shot on sight for treason.
jakeblack1982 4 weeks ago
"Deo vindice"? Evidently not. More like "Iudicavit Deus vobis", and the punishment was Biblical indeed.
Any time you are ready to try it again, just let us know.
johnmburt1960 1 month ago
I say hoist the Rebel flag once more!
cutter3280 1 month ago 4
before states secede i think we should try Ron Pauls approach and just disband government departments. Give the states more power. Its the feds that are fucking up, not America
SAMSIZZLE123 1 month ago 2
@SAMSIZZLE123 We tried that in the past with the articles of confederation. failed because the states didn't help one another. (The big problem being no states would send troops to stop shay's rebellion in Massachusetts.) the states would behave like their own nations and well no more US.
fRoMeThEwEsT 1 month ago
@fRoMeThEwEsT So basically you're saying we're fucked either way? lol
SAMSIZZLE123 1 month ago
@fRoMeThEwEsT Even under the Constitution each state was guarenteed the rights to act as seemingly independent nations. That is why the US is the "Union" and not a "nation."
It is a "perpetual union." The thing is, the Union has been disbanded, and the states all but abolished as effective legislative bodies, but instead merely districts. The original meaning of the States was the equivalent of England and Spain, and not merely provinces like Brittany, France, or Andalusia, Spain.
socomfan555 3 weeks ago
@SAMSIZZLE123 yeah disband the federal government that'll work. Just like the Articles of Confederation worked. In fact the AoC worked so well we wrote a constitution and threw them out all together
Chaser880 1 month ago
@Chaser880 will work even better with 50 states than it did with 13
Chaser880 1 month ago
@Chaser880 just some of the departments that are failing and putting us in debt. Not the entire federal government or the way it works.
SAMSIZZLE123 1 month ago
@SAMSIZZLE123 Ron Paul's approach is very much in line with the Constitution, the thing is, his approach does not call for the proper post-industrialization Amendments needed to create a stable first world social and economic structure.
There is no doubt in my mind the States need to legally give up power, but they also need to take back the power illegally usurped by the Congress. And the Congress needs to take back the power illegally usurped by the Executive branch. Supreme Court = mess.
socomfan555 3 weeks ago
Google northwest front!
youarewrongification 1 month ago
We are being screwed by all politicians.
Charlie12241 2 months ago
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" Whereas the Constitution of the State of New Hampshire, Part 1, Article 7 declares that the people of this State have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent State; and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right, pertaining thereto . "
jenni3613 2 months ago
Despite the grave consequences for citizens and the direct assault on the US Constitution, the act managed to make it through both halves of Congress and Obama says that he does not plan to veto it .
jenni3613 2 months ago
one provision in NDAA FY2012 will allow for the reinstatement of “enhanced interrogation techniques,” essentially making waterboarding and forms of psychological torture a very possible reality for anyone America deems to be a threat . Under the legislation, the United States of America is deemed a battlefield and Americans SUSPECTED of committing a terrorism offense can be held without trial and tortured indefinitely.
jenni3613 2 months ago
new " National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 " .............. which says that any person who has committed a "belligerent act" could be held indefinitely without trial by the military . including American citizens on American soil anyone alleged to be in opposition to the US government’s game will now be subjected to military-style detention indefinitely.
jenni3613 2 months ago
google .............. New Hampshire Declaration of Sovereignty its good reading .
jenni3613 2 months ago
States can still secede from the union, the federals can say they took away that right, but they have never had that authority. Its simple math, people created the states, states created the federal government and the 10th amendment says it all about the federal governments power, its limited, whether they believe it or not!!
unclefixer 2 months ago
A better idea IMO would be for the states to seize back their sovereignty, by declaring themselves autonomous, and simply ignore the feds on the issues the Constitution says are the states' prerogative. And to enforce that, send the feds no money until they get the idea. And also return the senators to state legislature election, instead of popular election, as it was. Then we have a Senate based on state power.
TheDoug76 2 months ago
@TheDoug76 .......... in other words , you believe in secession . thats what secession is what you just described ;-)
jenni3613 2 months ago
@jenni3613 I do believe in it, I just think it's not necessary, when autonomy preserves the union but recovers the states' power.
TheDoug76 2 months ago
@TheDoug76 . that exactly what 21 states have done within the last two years they have declared sovereignty . just google " 21 states declare sovereignty " the government has banned it from being reported by tv networks but there is a lot of info online about it . the declaration of sovereignty from New Hampshire to the federal government is good reading you should check it out ;-)
jenni3613 2 months ago
@jenni3613 I have read it. I consider it a step towards autonomy. I'm hopeful my own state will make this move soon.
TheDoug76 2 months ago 10
@TheDoug76 The Euros are always having wet dreams about the USA breaking up. Don't hold your breaths!There are other ways of dealing with O'Bummerism.
rigamarrow 2 weeks ago
@rigamarrow Yeah, kinda like waiting until his term's over? It's irritating when people act as if the President currently holding office is going to be President forever. He's our 44th because we elected him, then he'll leave and we'll elect a new one. He isn't our 44th and only.
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@TheDoug76 ending with a warning to the fed that they might choose to cede " all powers previously delegated to the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States shall revert to the several States individually. Any future government of the United States of America shall require ratification of three quarters of the States seeking to form a government of the United States of America and shall not be binding upon any State not seeking to form such a government " .
jenni3613 2 months ago
@TheDoug76 they stated that they will cede entirely if the government does not stop with their efforts to intervene in states rights . the other 21 states have similar declarations sent to the fed government .
jenni3613 2 months ago
@jenni3613 Likely a statement to force the Feds to back off. But if the Feds persist, and they will, I think the states had better follow through on their pledge.
TheDoug76 2 months ago
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@TheDoug76 the following 21 states HAVE declared sovereignty ..............Alabama , Arkansas , Alaska , Arizona , California , Colorado , Georgia , Hawaii , Idaho , Indiana , Kansas , Maine , Michigan , Missouri , Montana , New Hampshire , Nevada , Oklahoma , Pennsylvania , Texas , Washington , and most recently Utah . Those getting ready to declare soon are ........... Florida , West Virginia , Ohio , Tennessee , South Carolina , Montana , Minnesota , Iowa , and Kentucky
jenni3613 2 months ago
@TheDoug76 in part.........."any Act by the Congress of the
United States, Executive Order of the President of the United States of
America or Judicial Order by the Judicatories of the United States of
America which assumes a power not delegated to the government of United
States of America by the Constitution and which serves to diminish the liberty of the any of the several States or their citizens shall constitute a nullification of the
Constitution for the United States of America "
jenni3613 2 months ago
@TheDoug76 " Acts which would cause such a nullification
include, but are not limited to: Establishing martial law or a state of emergency within one of the States comprising the United States , Requiring involuntary servitude ,Surrendering any power delegated or not delegated to any corporation or foreign government , Any act regarding religion , and Further infringements on the
right to keep and bear arms including prohibitions of type or quantity
of arms or ammunition "
jenni3613 2 months ago
you can't secede from the nation. We lost that right after the Civil War. Only way out now is straight up war and violence. It's probably too late to do anything to stop our government. Time to jump ship.
DaSnoman316 2 months ago
google ......... " 21 states declare sovereignty " and " american secession movement " mainstream media is not being allowed to report on this .
jenni3613 2 months ago
the time for the people existed under the time for the government
jenni3613 2 months ago
this government can try and oppress the people . they will succeed . but not forever . the time for the people will come upon you .
jenni3613 2 months ago
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states have been ceding from the union for the last 17 years . California was the first to do so . mainstream media is not allowed to report on this ( national security reasons ) but there are many independent report on this online . just google ----------> " american secession movement " this is no joke .
jenni3613 2 months ago
I'm all for it. I'd rather live free than be bound by the shackles of socialism. All of you liberals with your condescending self righteous attitudes can think and say whatever you want. Just stay the fuck away from me.
MrBolas33 2 months ago 19
@MrBolas33 you obviously know absolutely nothing about socialism; or you are just a greedy fuckwad that could care less about his fellow man and endorses corporate slavery
Chaser880 1 month ago
@Chaser880 And what's so greedy about keeping the money I work hard for? Why should I get up for work at 6:00 am every day and let pseudo intellectual liberal pussy like you take my money away from me and give to some irresponsible single mom or deadbeat loser who hasn't earned it? You obviously know absolutely nothing about the real world.
Take your socialism and stick it up your ass. Fuck obama.
MrBolas33 1 month ago
@MrBolas33 I hope to god you are still alive when the inevitable revolution comes and the 99% rise up up and do away with people like you. And the way this country is goingi garuntee you if things do not change there will be a violent uprising. Coz it totally makes sense for the top 1% to pay less taxes proportionately to everyone else. in the 40's the super rich paid a 90% tax did not seem to hurt them too much did it.
Chaser880 1 month ago
@MrBolas33 but no they needed more money than they'll ever need. fuck eveyonelse who cares if people are living on the streets dying because they cannot afford medical treatment. living with crushing debt. just so long as i get to keep my money. I pity you really i do.
Chaser880 1 month ago
@Chaser880 So what are you saying? That the world is imperfect? Well, cry me a river. if you're so concerned about thses people, why don't you gather them up and take them down to Cuba for treatment.. Think you'll find it? Ask your liberal god obama to pay for it since he and his union buddies are exempt from his own piece of shit health plan. And by the way, I didn't ask for your pity..asshole.
MrBolas33 3 weeks ago
@MrBolas33 By socialism? As far i'm concerned Capitalism is what's fucking everything this country...
colombus66 1 month ago
@colombus66 So move to Cuba, fuckhead.
MrBolas33 3 weeks ago
@colombus66 We aren't even capitalist anymore. The U.S. is in this weird limbo on free market and planned economy. The problem is we have restrictions and limitations where we shouldn't and then none where we should.
The free market works relatively well. Far better than any other known economic system. There is a balance between laisse farie (which is a disaterous policy in a developed nation) and where we are heading.
socomfan555 3 weeks ago
Name of the song?
LukE79878 2 months ago
@LukE79878
"Name of the Song?"
Battle Hymn of the Republic
Premier112 2 months ago
Ca is long in Chaos, Look at LA, All the crime, ganster land run the state
Why don't sale CA to z Chinese.
Chinese cab fix it for sure
energyalt56 2 months ago
we'll all be speaking Chinese if Texas seceeds, so much for independence
wausauman 3 months ago
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RON PAUL 2012, WHOOOHOOOOOOOO
saintconnnor 3 months ago
america, the country so stupid it doesnt realise ron paul is the way forward
saintconnnor 3 months ago
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I apologize if anyone is from any of these states or happen to love these states, as I don't mean any offense to anyone, but I'm actually fine with Texas seceding. If they do secede, which I hope they do, I hope they take Alaska, Arizona, Oklahoma, some of the far-right backwater areas of the USA, the entire Tea Party, Fox News, far-right talk radio show hosts & all far-right conservatives & republicans with them
TheMultioscarwinner 4 months ago
No, no one is considering recession.
ListWritingMachine 4 months ago
@ListWritingMachine Actually Texas,California and Florida where thinking of it.
jediguardian1 4 months ago
@jediguardian1 Just like Quebec keeps saying it will split from Canada, it will never happen. People don't want to repeat another Civil War, that's why Lincoln showed states, they can't just leave whenever they're pissed off. Also most Texans, Californians, and the Florida people would not be for the recession, and would either have pro-American revolts, or vote to keep it the same if they had the chance. The US is still the world's best country and if it becomes 2, what's wrong with that?
ListWritingMachine 4 months ago
@ListWritingMachine I didn't say I wanted them to leave did I? I'm just saying facts I heard. Also I agree, Quebec will never leave Canada, It would be very foolish if they did so.
jediguardian1 4 months ago
@jediguardian1 Actually there have been close to 27 attempts for California to secede into the original independent California Republic, or break up into multiple states.
GunsOfThePhoenix 3 months ago
@GunsOfThePhoenix Yeah I heard, I have cousins living over there and I believe they wanted to break up to 3 different States in California.
jediguardian1 3 months ago
this is shear stupidity, the author seems to not realize the purpose of a constitution. states do have the right to be different. but some things we have to be the same on. its just another attempt by the right to be spoiled brats. god i wish republicans and the right would just crawl in a hole and die
titandriver1960 4 months ago
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urexactlyretarded 3 months ago
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@titandriver1960 nd the things that "we ahve to be the same on" are spelled out in the constitution. For the things that arent reread article 10.
god i wish tardocrats and the leftards would just crawl in a hole and die
oh, and thanks for living up to my name :)
urexactlyretarded 3 months ago
Go 4 it then
SotoPanxo 5 months ago
if some states were to seceed there would be some idiots thatll think anarchy and go around robbing and killing innocent people pretty much like union soilders did during the war
MrGoodolerebel 5 months ago
This makes sense. Read up about why Quebec is still part of Canada in 2011 when it had alot more cause and ability to secede then any American state. It was because Canada allowed Quebec the power to regulate immigration to a degree, made the country bilingual at the federal level, and made it so basically we get all the benefits of being in a big country while still being able to run this place our own way. It's worked well, where once we had terrorists we now have harmony and improving feeling
Mehtaphorical 5 months ago
we dont need politicis we dont need borders - we need to realize all people are human beings and we share just 1 small bioshere - we need a resource based economy - where all the worlds people can throw off the lie of scarcity - no reason on this earth why half the people should work for 2$ aday or 1/7 for 1$ - we have the know how to provide abundant wealth to all people and do it sustainably and with no subjugation - watch zietgeist addendum and all the zeitgeist movies- 1100+chapters in 2yrs
MrIzzyDizzy 5 months ago
In one month Texas would belong to a drug lord and the new illegals (Texans) would be trying to cross the border to the USA. All those guns we are sending to Mexico will be used to slaughter and possibly wipe out the lonestar state. What a stupid thought I can't believe it came out of a college graduate. What does he think we can do without and army. The USA would then invade oil rich texas to stop the weapons of mass distruction.
3000gtgomez7 6 months ago
The issue w/ any state leaving the union to become their own country is that they would have to establish their own economy, their own money, pay back all debts owed to the US and establish their own military. Many states including TX would have to import food to feed their citizens- especially now during their drought. This is why QC has never left Canada and this is why no state despite threatening to do so has actually left the US since the Civil War. Too damn expensive.
Cerridwen247 6 months ago
Ignoring the non-statesman below me, who refused to debate in an open forum here, but gets braver with personal messages.
PanVet100 6 months ago
@PanVet100 Oh trust me I know the guy. Claims women's rights don't exist and that New Yorkers can't defend themselves against criminals. In NY we have a law that states we can shoot an intruder. But hey I guess that doesn't match TX where you can shoot someone for cheating at old maid.
Cerridwen247 6 months ago
Man, you've got problems. Even though you know little about me, you attacked my opinions Tues on the secession issue, really a non-issue. I mistakenly thought you wanted to debate me, but all you did was masturbate and fling insults. You haven't refuted my claims and you haven't presented any FACTS. All you have really done is promote your secessionist agenda and that biased video. You can't even stand by your word and AVOID me here or on my channel comments. You act like a sad attention whore.
PanVet100 6 months ago
By the way Misstate. With your grammar, punctuation and sentence structure abuse, you shouldn't try to diminish the intelligence of others. Although your comments do make normally tedious secession talk more humorous and enjoyable it does get old pretty quick. Bye.
PanVet100 6 months ago
Ohioans, at least those from the North section, (eg. Cleveland, Toledo), want to be independent As well
petedog8989 6 months ago
PREACH ON THIS IS GOOD STUFF brilliant
2ingrams 6 months ago
I see it now. the south seceded and then the south crumbles with their pro ignorance culture while the north rejoins the modern world. it is sad that the bible belt would want to do that to its self but I am sick of them dragging the sane part of this country down with them. go ahead and leave.
mamushi72sai5575 6 months ago
As a non-american who supports spliting the union in 2 because of the political and economic benifits, Im biased towards agreeing with you, but unfortunutly if you read the legal documents Texas does not have the right secede. If it did though I would like to see it happen.
dave19941000 7 months ago
@dave19941000
You don't know the law. Read the FACTS at TexasFreeNation.webs.com .
SovereignStatesman 6 months ago
I love how the battle hymn of the republic (Union) is playing in a video about secession.
jscudderz 7 months ago
@jscudderz
And I love how the Union used a song written by a Southerner. Then again Dixie was written by a Northerner. Americans are stupid.
bordertown 7 months ago
I believe in our constitution and this is the reason why Texas joined The United States in the first place ..........To BE FREE MEN .......... together as one...... If the United States wants to become socialist , Then why should Texas jump off the clift with the rest of the people who no longer want freedom . Our government wants us to give up our freedom and hand it over to the U.N. . The U.N. is collection of nations that hate us !
issacmark1 7 months ago
@issacmark1
Texas, Vermont, South Carolina, Alaska, and other states with secessionist movements believe in the constitution too and feel it's not being enforced. Instead Washington continues to interfere with state affairs and ignoring their interests while sticking its nose in other countries business. If the government upheld the principles of self-governance and non-intervention like its supposed to then there wouldn't be nations that hate America or secession of the states.
bordertown 7 months ago 3
@bordertown I agree my friend.
issacmark1 7 months ago
@bordertown I stand in agreement .
issacmark1 6 months ago
The Federal Government is a joke!!
ddougy1 7 months ago
Texas' history is unique of most states: they began as a republic in 1836 against Mexican rule, later joined the US in 1845 in hope of having a better government & said they had the "right" to secede demonstrated when in 1860 they joined the CSA but were forced back to the union in the civil war. Other states: pre-1790 Vermont, the former state of Franklin in the Appalachians, Hawaii as a kingdom under Polynesians, the Oregon & Utah provisional governments, & West Florida were once countries. +
demikede1 7 months ago
Is Texas still thinking about leaving?
AllenVlog 7 months ago
i have to agree the us has become a shithole of a country controling its people claiming its in the name of FREEDOM when they tax you because you have to poop,tax your food, tax your tp, tax your underwear, tax your water, TAX YOUR DEATH, and much more the usa is money hungry and no longer cares about its ppl thats why socialism would be best. at least you wount have to be black to get a welfare check anymore.
Dieselmechanic509 7 months ago
Why play the Battle Hymn ? Its a anti- secession song! LOL!!
meetman57 8 months ago
The bank's just announced there Warning to Washington. Raise your debt ceiling or get ready to be reviewed and have your loan rating under review. To get degraded from Sterling to god know's what crap they have to offer.
Better get ready for the $ Dollar $ to devaluate ...
Your purchasing power just went down and everything else just went up.
" A default is eminent ".
The politician's bite into it or they don't.
Either way there trying to use scare tactics.
I, still say Secession Now !.
donjuandonjuan 8 months ago
if californica secceads i'll have to move becaues it commie heaven here
MrDaleaaaa 9 months ago
Get ready to be " Taxed by the Mile ".
The road's that were already once paid for oh yea it's comming.
donjuandonjuan 9 months ago
Without the thought of treason there would be no America as it is today.
If George Washington and the rest our four father's had not looked toward's freedom and stayed loyal. You'd possibly would become a british subject.
Luckly for us this was not the case. These were men and not mere boy's.
The one's that cry out as this is treasonous are mere children. Afraid of what may come and do not know the taste of freedom with out being subjected by gross taxes , laws and error of this govt..
donjuandonjuan 9 months ago
Folks, the US Constitution that everyone says bars states from seceding would not exist if the original 13 states hadn't seceded from Britain. I didn't see anywhere in the US Constitution where the states gave up that right, as a matter of fact I'm sure the 9th and 10th amendment reserved it as an undefined power.
bagboygooch 9 months ago
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The issue of the sovereign states being able to secede has never been decided in a court of law. It has only been decided as a matter of war.
I would be very interested to see someone file suit in court to have the issue of secession looked at by the courts.
Writer5591 10 months ago
New york says "please go...we won't try to stop you this time."
sleestackgod 10 months ago
@sleestackgod Newyork is too busy with it's own plumbing problem. They better call the Mario Brother's for free plumbing.
donjuandonjuan 10 months ago
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Your little secession aka treason would not work for the same reason it didn't work in 1860. But what the heck, why not give it a whirl? You can clean up after hurricanes and oil spill disasters after yourself, without pestering the rest of us
Bye!
upsilon054 10 months ago
@upsilon054 Just had a good laugh reading that. Violence is ALWAYS the answer with you people. If we want to leave and Govern ourselves you shouldn't care. Be an adult and mind your ow n business. If you don't live here you don't understand. There is nothing magical about Washington. Right now it is screwing everybody with Gas prices approaching 4 dollars a barrel. We could manage everything better and why shouldn't we? America isn't real it's a man made concept, an ideal. Reality = People.
Luigi84289 10 months ago
@Luigi84289 Oh, that's okay. I had a good laugh watching your faux religious video. I also laughed at the irony of you having a picture of the Constitution, which you apparently want to shred. Being a Yankee boy, your offer does sound tempting, however, I must reject it. Once again, that pesky Constitution gets in the way.
Gas does not come in a barrel, oil does, and it has been ages since oil was $4 a barrel.
Cheerio!
upsilon054 10 months ago
@Luigi84289 Yeah, well, that's nice, Luigi, but unfortunately, I can't. Unlike you, I'm a loyal Yankee American citizen who thinks that treason is treason.
upsilon054 9 months ago
@upsilon054 america was born off succeding, so i guess that makes our whole country traitors? to england? hmm does not compute, yankee retard.
the fed government wants to fuck us. right in the ass
Takeover94 9 months ago
@Takeover94 That's... real classy, Take :-(
upsilon054 9 months ago
@upsilon054 the classy truth mate
Takeover94 9 months ago
@Takeover94 I'm afraid not. It's up to you, but you may want to keep in mind that the cogency of an argument is inversely proportional to the number of four letter words and insults contained therein.
upsilon054 9 months ago
@upsilon054 mr fancy pants huh? hmm well i choose not to use big words cause then i sound like a douche bag
Takeover94 9 months ago
@Takeover94 So you think using four letter words makes you look smart?
upsilon054 9 months ago
@upsilon054 hell no, dont put words in my mouth. an arguement is an arguement no matter what words are used man. so im gonna go get drunk now dude
Takeover94 9 months ago
@Takeover94 Would you care to discuss what the real problem is?
upsilon054 9 months ago
@Luigi84289 Speaking of violence, looks like your little governor might have caused an international incident when he executed his latest prisoner. Not only that, it's possilbe Perry might have endangered the lives of Americans abroad. Congratulations.
upsilon054 7 months ago
@Luigi84289 Bull. How would the Gulf oil spill do without help from the government? How about Katrina? lol
RandomPedestrian63 7 months ago
@upsilon054 You do realize that the country is mainly supported by state economies right? That many of the states in this nation, particularly on the coast, could support themselves and be fully capable of taking care of their citizens if not burdened by the federal deficit and over taxation? The federal government is essentially a big piggy bank that we, as states, give money to, then elect people we “trust” to spend it in our best interest…which they don’t do.
firemedic30ca 10 months ago
@firemedic30ca Most of the states if secession really took hold would have to most likely stay merged with 1 or more adjacent states. New states could be erected from this. A state is supposed to be a self sufficient region. Texas, California, Oregon and Washington as well as a good chunk of the North could maintain stability and economic success but Washington with the wealth redistribution of tax dollars has made it to where it will take a period of time before the rest can be independent.
Luigi84289 10 months ago
@firemedic30ca Your federal taxes have been going down, right?
upsilon054 9 months ago
@upsilon054 Oh im sorry. I guess i should be so happy about them taken 33% instead of the typical 35% I mean, i really enjoy paying into social security and medicare so that other people can live off the money i worked my ass off for, and will never see. So yeah, you're right, what the hell do i have to be angry about? Its not like i have 4 kids i can hardly keep covered under medical insurance, or work at a fire station in a town 60 miles from where i live costing me $200 bucks a week in gas.
firemedic30ca 9 months ago
@firemedic30ca Blah, blah, blah, taxes are lower now then they've been in generations. Under Obama, your taxes when down still more. But you're still bitching and whining. Here, copy and paste this in the YouTube seach bar: Countdown WTF!! Segment: Texas Secession . Now stop talking nonsense.
upsilon054 7 months ago
@upsilon054 took ya a few months to come up with that did it? lol
firemedic30ca 7 months ago
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@firemedic30ca Actually, I wanted to respond to someone else, and I inadvertently responded to you. I wrote something in your account; didn't you see it?
upsilon054 7 months ago
@upsilon054 Actually, I wanted to respond to someone else, and I inadvertently responded to you. I wrote something in your account; didn't you see it?
upsilon054 7 months ago
@upsilon054 The more states that leave, the more the federal governments bleeds and eventually dies. The states don’t need the US government, the us government needs them. Thats the only reason the civil war was fought. You can believe it was over slavery if you want. In reality the southern states made up the majority of the early American economy and was the main provider of food and raw materials to the union. When they left, the union said “oh fuck, there goes our economy" and ran after them
firemedic30ca 10 months ago
@firemedic30ca Actually, it was slavery that caused the South to secede. If you don't believe me, check out the articles of seccession which are available online, and count the number of times you see the word "slavery" or "slave"
upsilon054 9 months ago
@upsilon054 And no, slavery was only a minor contributing factor, the straw the broke the camals back. If you'd like to find out more, i suggest you go to a library instead of the internet to actually learn about american history. Wikipedia is not an accepted scholarly source of information. My point was, the NORTH would not have fought after those states in the SOUTH if it werent for the fact they lost the majority of their economy with them secceding. They did NOT care about saving slaves.
firemedic30ca 9 months ago
@firemedic30ca Some items. First, slavery was the biggest issue with respect to the South. If you don't believe me, check out the articles of secession, and count how many times slavery is mentioned. Second, the only thing the only thing the South had in abundance was cotton, slaves, mules, and "gentlemen". It certainly wasn't industry or gold, or even education. It is not true that the South made up the majority of the American economy. You seem to be making up "facts"
upsilon054 9 months ago
@upsilon054 No you’re right. The south didn’t have the fishing industry, tobacco trade, or all the access ports to the Mississippi (a heavily utilized trading route). I guess im wrong and have no idea what im talking about. Oh just an fyi for the guy that knows history better than me, the cotton trade was the most lucrative industry the United States had at that time period. If the south had gained its independence, it would have been the 4th richest country in the world smart ass.
firemedic30ca 9 months ago
@firemedic30ca The Union had 25 states, a population of 22 million, 100,00 factories, 1.1 million workers, 20,000 miles of railroad, $189 million in bank deposits, and $56 million in gold specie. Your side had 11 states, a population of 9 million, of which 3.5 million were slaves, 20,000 factories, 101,000 workers, 9,000 miles of railroad, $47 million in bank deposits, and $27 million in gold specie. Tobacco is not an edible crop, and in any event, grows well even here in the North. Cheerio!
upsilon054 9 months ago
@upsilon054 The North favored a loose interpretation Constitution, the South wanted to reserve all undefined powers to the individual states. The North also wanted internal improvements sponsored by the federal government, increasing taxes to fund infrastructure projects, the South, did not want these projects to be done at all. The North wanted to develop a tariff. to protect the Northern manufacturer, the south did not, as a high tariff would not let the south trade cotton for foreign goods
firemedic30ca 9 months ago
@upsilon054 The final change that forced the south to secede was slavery, which they relied on heavily for their agriculture. Several important reason, that apparently is just me "making up facts". Its kinda sad that you're almost twice my age, yet this ignorant about US politics and history.
firemedic30ca 9 months ago
@firemedic30ca Thanks, but I know quite a bit about history. So slaves were essential for agriculture? How did we manage after the passage of the 13th Amendment? In fact, how did the Union manage when the South was in revolt?
upsilon054 9 months ago
@upsilon054 The states have every right to secede from the union, should the majority of its citizenship decide that’s what they want, and it be voted upon by just cause. I think the government spending nearly 2 trillion dollars of our money to help banks and greedy corporations continue to fuck us, is just cause. I think waging war for global dominance while our citizens struggle to survive by being over taxed to wage those wars is just cause.
firemedic30ca 10 months ago
@firemedic30ca No, they do not. Remember what happened in 1865? It is unconstitutional. But like I said to Luigi, Bye!
upsilon054 9 months ago
@upsilon054 "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security" - Declaration of Independence. It may not be a constitutional law, but as free people, yes, it is their right to leave the union if they choose.
firemedic30ca 9 months ago
@upsilon054 You're right though, like you said, bye. Cause it worked out so well for Great Britain when we left, didn’t it? It would be nice to get away from so many ignorant, flag waving, blindly patriotic people like you, that don’t seem to realize they are losing all their freedoms election after election. Pulled in by the simple speeches of evil men, the mundane masses form to celebrate the death of freedom with thunderous applause. But at least you got a miniture american flag out of it.
firemedic30ca 9 months ago
@firemedic30ca And what freedoms have you lost, exactly?
upsilon054 9 months ago
..being buried under medical debt to the point of bankruptcy for giving birth to a pre-term child that required extensive measures to keep it alive, with no help from the government, while the feds turn around and spend 15 billion annually on health care for illegal immigrants is just cause. I think having american jobs sent to foreign countries because its cheaper to make shit for walmart to sell is just cause. Put some thought into what these people are talking about before you shoot it down.
firemedic30ca 10 months ago
@upsilon054 succession is within our Right's. AND it is how America was formed in the first place. We seceded from Great Britain's tyrannical rule. And if we had balls we would secede from our governments tyrannical rule. Read the declaration Many things happening Right Now are the very reasons we came across the pond to begin with.
blazacwoot 9 months ago
@blazacwoot As someone else upstairs said, please go already. We won't stop you this time ;-)
upsilon054 9 months ago
@upsilon054 But i thought it was "treason".. Way to back off your ridiculous comment.
blazacwoot 9 months ago
@blazacwoot It IS treason. But what do you want me to do about it? Your treason is YOUR problem, not mine. I'm not the one the government might try and hang.
upsilon054 9 months ago
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blazacwoot 9 months ago
@upsilon054 This country would not exist if not for "treason".
blazacwoot 9 months ago
@blazacwoot Yeah, right, whatever. Go already, will you?
upsilon054 9 months ago
@blazacwoot Oh, by the bye, before you decide to flirt with treason, watch Countdown WTF!! Segment: Texas Secession . Cheerio!
upsilon054 9 months ago
@blazacwoot Oh, by the bye, before you start flirting with treason, please watch
Countdown WTF!! Segment: Texas Secession
Cheerio!
upsilon054 9 months ago
@upsilon054 I live in Tennessee, Sorry but we aren't going anywhere. I'm simply stating that these are our rights whether the current administration likes it or not.
blazacwoot 9 months ago
@blazacwoot TN, eh? Who did you vote for Senator in 2010?
upsilon054 9 months ago
@blazacwoot Here's another couple of questions for you. Suppose Bush didn't like it? How about Reagan?
upsilon054 9 months ago
@upsilon054 are you stupid, obama hasn't done anything good for the oil spill, and secession isnt treason it's a state right you stupid kid.
UnofficialRepublican 9 months ago
@UnofficialRepublican Awww, isn't that cute, UR is having a temper tantrum and calling others names. UR, don't get your clothes all mussed.
upsilon054 9 months ago
@upsilon054
And you can sink another 14trillion in dept without pestering the rest of us!!!
ddougy1 7 months ago
@ddougy1 Tell you what: If you promise to keep Bush (you know, the guy who irresponsibly cut taxes and then started those wars) and your goofy governor Perry in your state, I won't complain if you leave. Deal?
upsilon054 7 months ago
@USAdude30 move here, we would be happy to have you
jubeikiba6 10 months ago
It's just stupid talk. Bavarians have also been saying they want to leave the Empire/Republic since its foundation in 1871 but they're still in. And Texas is America's Bavaria. They talk and talk and talk but they will NEVER leave the Union.
HerrWagnerfreund 11 months ago
@HerrWagnerfreund You don't believe they will but that is fallacious in and of itself. Look at history dude over the last 100 years. America just grew in size in 1959. The world is change. Texas will leave just like all the states eventually when the people in them decide.There is no border security. People who don't live in Texas have no idea the level of verbal and physical abuse that is thrown our way by all these illegals day in and day out just for being white and supporting Texas.
Luigi84289 11 months ago
@Luigi84289 Hey Luigi, I didn't know that Italians were considered white...Geez....
cubancigarlover 10 months ago
@HerrWagnerfreund hey moron we already left the union once and well do it again. I don't understand why people have such a hard time with us wanting limited government, freedom, and a return to constitutional principles. Our government was set up as a limited one for a reason, to keep greedy men from taking any of our freedoms, period. ''progressives'' say oh you just need to sacrifice just a few rights, its for the safety of us all, then more and more and more, until were no longer free.
gunnerg42 11 months ago
@HerrWagnerfreund ''They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety'' Benjamin Franklin
gunnerg42 11 months ago
@ 1:33 that whole thing about "the right to live your life as you see fit, so long as you do not infringe on the liberty of another human." brings to mind a lot of political issues like: marijuana prohibition, gay marriage, abortion, ect..
Freedom means freedom for everyone, not just for you and your way of life, If only more people embraced the foundation of our nation and lived by the values they claim to embrace.
deepfreeze202 11 months ago
Dude, abortion was ruled legal by THE SUPREME COURT. Read the fucking Constitution, don't just point at it. Fucking idiot.
ebaykid1978 11 months ago
Us Alaskans got your back Texas.
eskimobronco 1 year ago 15
@eskimobronco Right. thats why they elected joe miller.
lloydmauler 11 months ago
@eskimobronco yea, dumb and dumber
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 10 months ago