I remember reading My Name is Red when I was 15. It was the first translated novel I'd ever read. That was shortly before 9-11. I felt I had special knowledge because none of my peers had read it or taken an interest in Levantine history. I'm still fond of his books.
I am an American. My forefathers came to this country and killed, raped, and stole everything from the American Indians that were already here. Millions of innocent indians died and I am truly sorry that such a shameful incident occurred. I am already teaching my small children not to believe what they are taught in school about the founding of this country. I am not proud of what happened here many years ago but admitting it and feeling sympathy for those harmed are the first steps.
@mamaschuck Not genocide. The Armenians were slaughtered en masse in a coordinated attempt to purge them from the empire. That's genocide. No such attempt was made by US forces though harsh relocations and occasional massacres occurred. Bands of murderers from the settler community went on pogroms, and no attempt was made to assimilate the Indians and hence justice for Indians was never served. Those represent a clear divergence from genocide--a term that ought not to be thrown about cavalierly.
"I am Turkish and i can say that i really respect Mr. Pamuk as a writer. I have already read all his books. During war time, many Turkish people were killed as well. During war time, many Turkish people were raped and abused by Armenians and Russians. Maybe Orhan Pamuk was right about their loss but I think he is totally wrong about the number of Armenian people killed. Has he ever tried to find out how many Turkish people, women and children were killed and raped during those times?"i agree
I am Turkish and i can say that i really respect Mr. Pamuk as a writer. I have already read all his books. During war time, many Turkish people were killed as well. During war time, many Turkish people were raped and abused by Armenians and Russians. Maybe Orhan Pamuk was right about their loss but I think he is totally wrong about the number of Armenian people killed. Has he ever tried to find out how many Turkish people, women and children were killed and raped during those times ?
Orhan pamuk must asked himself Am I novelist or politician? What a stupid man. How much money are you orhan pamuk? you are nothing and will be the same in all your fucking life. If you like Istanbul and your country, you should speak about good things. You are father of lies. We won't acccept like you characteristic people to live in our honest country. We will never accept those incorrect political incriminations. We will strongly be always against those bitches.
This video absolutely is wrong. All information is wrong. Why this shit channels always interviewed with descend of armenian. Why don't try to ask turkish people about this topic. Orhan Pamuk only tried to win Nobel Prize. that's the big reason why he said, turks killed many armenian and kurds. He has no knowledge. He is just talking about water, birds etc... stupid things.
Ofcourse, Pamuk wants to be famous. Hell, I mean they awarded him the Nobel Peach Prize. Turkey has much enemies--those that exploit the Christian market and those that aim to destroy the natural balance of the middle east.
I never knew he is a jew (yahudi) from Turkey,one day I have seen an ad in San Francisco Chronicle under-famous jewish writers going to sign their books etc.-This guy is from a very rich family,he never worked in his life.He had so much time to come up or make up phony-fake ass stories.I believe he is using jews for his personal gains.Mr.pamuk thinks that he is talking for all Turkish citizens.In Turkey he has zero credibility-respectability.Pamuk is a loser,he is a dishonest crooked person
Article 301 ' should be wiped off. Ataturk would not have stand for it. Ataturk was a modern democratic man. Article 301 has nothing to do with democracy. Where is the freedom of speech
301 is no more. It has been hanged substantially and prosecution authority is given to minister of justice only , which made prosecution almost impossible. So be happy.
What about it?!!!!. Look at the state of Algerian independane. It's one of the most violent, fundementalist muslims nations, with one of thw most sickening displays of inhumanity; and AGAINST FELLOW ALGERIAN MUSLIMS!!!!. Look at Indonesia..a center for al qaida terrorism. It's a beautiful place, and look what they do without European laws and social training. Look at Vietnam as a result of communism..look at Iraq left to it's own self rule; total chaos. Afghanistan=TALIBAN.
''Armenians throughout history,constantly on the master and changed the ROMAN,BYZANTINE,IRANIAN,RUSSIAN,BRITISH,FRENCH,GERMAN,TURKISH.........in the history scene new new master came out,the Armenians the old masters have systematically sold.''.........................Russia's most famous historian VL VELICKO.
Orhan Pamuk ! On what grounds are you making this accusation ? Where are the documents ? Geeks had a lot of Armenians in that period.Why not send them into exile ? Do you know ? 570.000 Turks were killed by Armenians.5.5 million Turk were deported from Balkans and the Caucasus.Armenia ,let's open reciprocal libraries proposal is not acceptable ever.you don't know history.
Turkey opens their historical archives to the whole world to see but yet Armenians still haven't opened their archives, why is that? Oh because their dirty secrets will be revealed that's why theyre too scared instead they just lobby other nations. The genocide never happened and never existed. Armenians are living in La La land they are still trying to use their tactics to get money and land which will never ever going to happen.
the israelis are killing now as we speak they say in self defence I ask wath defence they destroyed lebnan for two soldiers and killed 1400 poeple for two soldiers let the EU first talk about the present then the past
@erhan2brother Do you really want to see what happens if Israel lays down their weapons? You will be the next in line to be beheaded, remember that....
I say it is treu that armenians were killed but 1.5 million poeple killed I do not beliefe that but I just want to ad that orhan pamuk is an sneake felow as if he realy cares about the armenian iseu he won prizes
The Journeyman distributors don't do themselves a favor by handling one-sided propaganda. It is all right to have a point-of-view in a documentary, but it's not correct to base the POV on prejudice. Genocide is a well-financed, political movement, supported by biased Westerners as the Australian reporters involved. No one would have heard of Orhan Pamuk if he didn't come out on this subject; as the villain of this piece accuses, Pamuk gained fame, prizes and adoration from the Turk-bashing West.
We're told that the "official Turkish version" says the Armenians sided with the Russians. Armenian sources, as Bogus Nubar and Armen Garo, verify this truth. "They say the Armenians have exaggerated the death toll" - if there were 1.5 million Armenians, 1.5 million or 1 million couldn't have died, especially when we know 1 million survived, so that's true. "Many Turks were killed by Armenians" -- consult US investigators Niles & Sutherland and Russian testimony. Is this a "script" or the truth?
The 90-year-old Armenian was born in 1916, a year after the relocation, so he didn't bear direct witness to how his elder brother died. This is hearsay, not evidence. The real proof lies in the survival of his parents; if there was a real genocide policy, no way could they have survived. As far as his "guilt complex" theory, he and the biased Aussies should have applied the same to the mass murder of hundreds of thousands committed by the Armenians, with great plunder of materials and money.
It was terrible for people to be expelled from their homes, but when the Armenians sided with the Allies, they posed a great danger in a life-or-death war. Britain imprisoned/deported their WWI Germans just on suspicion of disloyalty. When the show tells us of "the forced removal & killing of over a million Armenians," they not only ignore Armenian treachery, but they imply the "killing" was intentional. To prove genocide, evidence is needed, and these bigoted Aussies didn't care about research.
There are many distortions in this prejudiced program. "Most historians" do not recognize a genocide, because most genocide scholars are not historians. Real historians who know the facts don't get involved for fear of attack. What Journeyman, the Aussie reporters and Orhan Pamuk, if honorable, need to consider are the true historical facts. The commenters on this page come mainly from the hateful genocide-brainwashed. Readers need seek the early comments of "LazDamar" from "View all Comments."
The number of Ottoman-Armenians who sided with the Russians was something like 2,000-10,000; less than 1% of the Armenian population of the time. By resorting to such generalizations, you destroy what potential credibility you still have at this point. Furthermore, the number of Muslims killed by Armenians is much less, because with so few rebels, they couldn't possibly kill so many people, even if they were unarmed. Those reports were just anti-Armenian fear mongering techniques.
@Gunderson002 Wrong on all counts, as usual. The entirety of the Ottoman-Armenian community was allied with the Ottomans' enemies, as Boghos Nubar has admitted. A British officer (Wooley) estimated the Armenians killed 300,000-400,000 in two provinces alone much as the figure was half a million. (The half million Armenians who died mostly died of famine/disease.) Killer Armenians conducted mass murder once Ottoman lands were occupied by their Russo-French allies, when civilians were defenseless.
"Wrong as usual"?LOL. Let's see what your suggesting. Armenians should be loyal to THEIR "occupiers"(for 100's of years), and turkey should be "pitied" for being "occiped" by France and Russia?!!!!LOLOL. How ironic that turkish independance came from the direct involvment of BOTh those nations in the Greco-turkish war!!!(and Italy). How does "famine and disease" as the result of turkish fighting against Armenian "allies" justify turkey?!!!!. Your wishful thinking is comical
@tellyoutrue Does the fact that nazi germany had planned to exterminate all jews by means of genocide become irrelevant because millions of jews survived WWII? What you are stating is that a genocide is not a genocide unless the targeted group of people is completely exterminated. Something is wrong with your logic....
@Sparapet The telling point in your inappropriate parallel, since the Holocaust was real and your genocide is not, is that the original Jews from Germany were almost wiped out. There is nothing wrong with the "logic" that insists upon the majority of a targeted people's needing to have been killed while living under the roof of their oppressors, IF there was a real extermination plan. It was the majority of Armenians who survived. (Patriarch vouched for 645M remaining in the Otto. E., in 1921.)
Is this supposed to be "quote" from a "Patriarch"?!!!!LOLOL..and what is "vouched for 645M remaining" supposed to suggest?. That their were 645 "million" Armenians in turkey, in 1921?!!!!LOLOLOLOL. Quite laughable..LOL. Their wasn't even that many BEFORE that genocide!!!!!. Your "proof" is beyond a ridiculous attempt..LOLOL. 90% of turks are mixed native Anatolian blood, including Armenian. That isn't an "Armenian" population statistic; it's turkish.
The genocide wasn't just Armenians. It was Pontic Greeks, Assyrians, Maronites, and all Christians in general. The small communities of Armenians in places like Lebabnon, Syria, Iran, are ALL far from their homeland in the north. Now, we have 80% of Armenia with no Armenians, and communities of Armenians far from Armenia!!!!. THAT is called "dispalcement", and obviously "displacement" only serves a purpose for "extermination". Ohter wise, nothing would be done.
"Majority being killed"?, or minority killing their oppressors?. Either way, it's ridiculous. The majority(let's say turkish, since they were a large, heavely mixed population) has the "right" to kill "targeted" minorities?..or minority has the "right" to kill the majority; which is their oppressors?!!!!. The first is a complete disgrace, the second was impossible. NONE of ANY "Patriarch" would defend, EITHER WAY. Look at the state of Christians in turkey. What do you see?
Just in the U.S. archives ALONE, are a MOUNTAIN of first hand reports of the Armenian genocide. EVERY nation that was in ottoman turkey at the time of the genocide has documents(including the ottoman's allies) of the genocide. THAT, aith the fact that 80% of Armenian has no "Armenians", makes it quite clear that "extermination" was the result of "deportation"..of a civilian, non-combatant population of women ,children, etc.
@Vasilis719: It was that "MOUNTAIN" of evidence in the U.S. archives that the British rejected entirely by the summer of 1921, during their Malta Tribunal investigation; they found it all to be hearsay. And yes, it was the Armenian Patriarch who vouched for 645,000 (not million, idiot) Armenians still living in the empire in 1921. So all Christians were marked for genocide? You need facts before making such irresponsible statements, but facts are the last thing you care about, you LOL'ing fool.
"Rejected" first hand accounts of a "friendly" nation of the ottomans, with MUCH investment in Anatolia?!!!!LOLOL. Gee, how ironic that the British scholars invovled in the study of "genocides", see the simple fact that 80% of Armenia has NO ARMENIANS, and that turkish presence in Armenia was one of invasion and occupation..yet the British "government" rejected the obvious..LOL, as does all nations who wimp out for material and strategic importance. GROW A BRAIN..LOL.
1.) How couold a Patriarch(even if he wanted to), have a stastic number of dead Armenians?!!LOL.
2.)How is 645,000 dead Armenian a "better" judegment of turkish human rights?.
3.)350,000Pontic Greek, 1/3 of the Assyrian population, Maronite Lebanese..what do they ALL have in common?. THEY'RE ALL CHRISTIAN, AND ALL TARGETED BY THE CRUMBLING OTTOMAN EMPIRE FOR EXTERMINATION, BY FIRST HAND ACCOUNTS OF AL NATIONS IN ANATOLIA AT THE TIME.
Let's take a look at pre-genocide turkish attrocities. The "Hamadian massacres" of Armenians(in the 100's of thousands), and let's take a look at an example from 1955..the pogroms of Constantinople reduced the NATIVE GREEK population from 300,000 to just under 2,000 today. Do you see a pattern here?!!!!LOL. The archives of EVERY nation(including Britain) have first hand accounts of mass killing, rape, etc. But obcourse turkey must be telling the "truth", right?..
"Killer Armenians"?!!!!. These were a people who had to accept turks coming to their homes, and taking what they wished, including women..and when asked for better treatment, had the islamic students turned on them to mass killing..not to mention, they were a virtually unarmed minority population. What loyalty, and what capability did they, or could they have to or against the same turks who removed 80% of their population?!!!!. YOUR A COMPLETE MORON. PERIOD.
tellyoutrue is about as intellectually honest as David Duke. Please don't waste your time with him. He won't listen to anything that is told to him. Like practically all deniers, he carries around a big stamp with the word "Armenian propaganda" written on it to avoid actually having to explain himself. HIs evidence mostly consists of gross generalizations, cherry-picked excerpts from historians who accept the genocide, and arbitrarily accepted statistics treated as absolutes.
"if there was a real genocide policy, no way could they have survived."
Genocide isn't just about killing, you know. They didn't just kill Armenians. They also kindapped them and forcibly assimilated them into Turkish culture. They forced them to convert to Islam, take Turkish names, and even be circumcised in many cases. Think before you say something stupid.
@tellyoutrue Armenians, mostly in the east, sided with Russians and indeed started fighting back. Did you want them to silently and obediently die in the deserts? Does that disprove in any way the fact that Turkish government planned to exterminate its christian population?
@Sparapet Please try & leave your emotions aside. All you've read is your propaganda, so you are ignorant of the facts. The Armenian rebellion was in the planning stage for years, based on Dashnak documents. They weren't "fighting back," they attacked -- the idea was to siphon off Ottoman military strength. And, oh? There was a plan to exterminate? If you have no evidence, as the British rejected (during the Malta Tribunal) all that's pushed today as proof, then how can you make such a charge?
LOL.."put your emotions aside"?. What would trigger Armenians "emotions"?. They wre wealthy and educated..yet they were under turkish occupation. It's incredibly "convenient" of to overlook the dominant factor in Armenian-turkish relations. 1/3 of Christian boys were forcably taken to be raised as turks, and serve the sultans army, girls could be taken at will from their families, and Armenians were to allow ANY turk free room and board; which often caming with raping women
Secondly, when the Armenians appealed for human rights, the turkish government unleashed the students of the islamic schools on them..which resulted on MASS massacre, rape, etc. The genocide of 1915 wasn't an isolated event. The Hamadian massacres; and countless others before, had killed 100,000's of Armenians(Greeks, Assyrians, Maronites, as well). 80% of the Armenian homeland is now turkish and kurdish. How do you think that came to be?!!!!.
Your suggestion that a virtually unarmed(Armenians were not allowed to be armed by their turkish occupiers) civilian population had the resoruces to fight the turkish government is beyond laughable..LOL. Furthermore, when they DID mount a resistance against kurdish and turkish tribes taking women and pillaging their villages, it was the most the Armenian people had ever managed, and it was in self defense. "Liberation" from the mentioned circumstances are TOTALLY justified
Why a couple of so-called Turkish writers like orhan pamuk support armenian genocide? because winnig a nobel prize is not so easy, If she hadnt supported the armenain genoceid, he couldnt have won this prize...
Even though Turkish nationalism may be a problem, I think the emphasis on the genocide issue is a bit misplaced. Most countries have massacres in their history that they tend to gloss over in their history books. I know in my country most of the bad parts of our colonial past aren't discussed in regular history classes, even though some still happened very recently.
I'm not trying to excuse it, but it's something all countries do.
The Turks think that we (Ashurians/Assyrians), Greeks, and Armenians Hate Turks naturally. For the most part, this is big misconception. I have Greek, Armenian, and Turkish friends who are also friends with each other.
What we hate the most is the Turkish Government, and the Ottoman Ruling elite that were responsible for the Genocides of the Armenians, Ashurians & Greeks.
But, thanks to brave Turks like Orhan, & many like him, I think there's still hope for the recognition. God Bless Orhan!
@Hollandia777 What am I talking about? I'm talking about as soon as Turkey admits to the genocides, it will get respect from the whole world! That's what I'm talking about. The Germans admitted & apologized for their crimes/genocide against the jews. Why can't the Turks do the same for the Christians? Do we not have enough Archival Evidences and documentaries? The whole world has seen the evidence, including the Turks! That's why many honorable Turks are saying Turkey should recognize!
Well, the problem this fraction of prominent turks 2 speak 'bout this problem is almost negligible. The rest is very chauvinistic, narrow-minded & retarded. What's most irritatin' by them - they always think they're right; they simply cannot imagine there's some1 with another point of view!
@Hollandia777 They've been raised that way! They can't believe that someone other than a Turk can be right because they were taught that in their childhood.
Fortunately though, there's a growing group of Turks, in Turkey, that are very aware about the Genocides, & are supporting a Turkish Lawyer who's asked for Turkey to Recognize the Genocide, & this group of intellects are in the thousands. Maybe they mentioned it in this video?. These are the Turks who will right the wrong! Let's hope.
@Nimroud i have a turkish background and with all seriousness, a lot of turks are weak minded fools. I mean its a sad truth. The same idiots elected todays government and dont even understand what free speech implies. Too many stil dont understand what the idea of democracy is all about. They just dont get it
@Serpico261 I was just there, in Istanbul last April, the people there seemed very much like any other Mediterranean people, friendly & warm. It's our governments & the Muslim Radical Religious leaders that make the middle East such a hostile place to live in.
Personally, I think believe what you want, but don't dictate your beliefs on s/o else, then kill them if they don't accept your thinking. The middle-east & Asia minor is a Heaven ruled by Idiots & Tyrants.
@Nimroud you are definitely right to name the government and the religious leaders.
I would also add religious followers and nationalists. These are the ones that support and elect these guys in the first place. They give them power and acceptance and brainwash their kids with rubbish ideology.
when ever i talked to turks (left, right) there is this almost guaranted neurotic ignorance towards other opinions. Just bring this topic on. Emotions and ignorance lead the arguments, like always
@Serpico261 Well said my friend. It's so sad when we see Ignorance dominating the brains of the masses in the world, when they too can be so much better than that, if they just opened their minds, just a crack.
Blind Ignorance & False Pride, the cancer of every civilzation!
@Nimroud i salute you too companero! The reason why humans are so vulnerable is not a mistery. When you think about that the architecture of our brain is not an invention of the 20th century. The basic functional concepts of our brain and all the implications that it bring are up to 160,000 years old.
I hope you dont get a false impression from me. I was a lot in turkey and i like "everything" there, its the place where i have my roots, but still a narrow minded culture and mentality dominate.
@Serpico261 Cheers my friend! So sad to see so much beauty being destroyed by the hands of evil. Humans have such great potential, yet we continue our thirst for blood, power & riches, things that are totally alien to the nature of this world. We can learn so much just from watching the behavior of animals, how they play, eat, nurture, appreciate the land. These simple things we take for granted. I swear, animals have more honor than us!
for goodness sake dat genocide did happen why dont u guys just admit it and say dat was a big mistake and we are sorry for that flaw in our past u guys are so brainwashed dat u make shit up
when a county can tell that the county have done it then the country who have made it must pay millions of dollars for the country for ever as a little paymad for the killed ppl but it dont go cuz it was a time the world war where armenia fought against türkey with russia
ataturk was a great man and he built the turkey we know today...but the ottomans were exactly the opposite of ataturk...if ataturk were alive today he would have praised orhan and he would reconsider this issue!
I dont understand why this so called Armenian Genocide is used against Turkey in order to stop them to join to the EU. How did they accept the Germany then, didnt they killed millions of Jewish people??????
PROSTATHS, i thought you were Kurd! why i was not suprised to see that you are a Greek! Mate, wake up, you live in 21st century, there is no place for your kind of fckn stupid, narrow minded nationalist people! this world is a burning hell and center of disputes just because of pricks like u... every nation had made mistakes in the past, u think you greeks are all angels! PEACE mate PEACE...this is the only solution...my words goes also to Turkish nationalists, American nationalist etc.!!!idiots
Orhan Pamuk is one of the greatest guy ever that (unfortunately) carrying a Turkish passport. To be citizen of that crap country is just unfortunate for him. I feel so sorry for him. His entitle of his opinion, and they, those stupid people are not even aware of freedom of speech
Armos are just dirty psychotic liers who got into the habit of conjuring up phantasmagoric stories like "Great Armenia" and forcing themselves to believe in all this idiocy.
If armos are so confident of the righteousness of their claims, why they rejected Turkey's offer to bring the issue to international criminal court, not to mention Turkey's gesture of goodwill meant to open all the archives reciprocally and establish an international commitee charged with scrutinizing the issue from historical perspective.
The absurdity of Armenians' claims is so apparent that they even don't try to back it by factual historic data and bring the matter to discussion, instead they are after politicising the problem and exploiting it as a means of manipulating Turkey , their only motive for incessantly stirring genocide issue is their futile aspirations for reparations amounting to billions of dollars and faceless claims over Turkey's eastern lands.
FUCKING SNAKE Turks think this cunt, Hrant Dink was an angel, as a matter of fact, he was a fucking snake.
Orhan Pamuk and Taner Akcam are both low life scums who are after Nobel Prize and recognition by the western countries and both are fucking losers, both will do anything, even lying and betraying their own people, to be somebody. SHAME ON THEM... And for you armos, we opened our archieves to the world, where is yours? What are you hiding you fucking lying sac of shits.
A society can never grow and progress unless it can take an honest look at its past--the good, the bad and the ugly...obviously, Turkish society isn't anywhere near taking that step.
In fact, this not just the Ultra-Nationalist and/or Islamist Turks whom have been cementing falsehood propaganda, but all the political spectrum in Turkey, except Kurd MP's who are not allowed to insult "Turkish ness".".
"Democracy" that put people in prison because disagreement about a historical event (unquestionable fact = Armenian Genocide) and/or persecuting Ex-Muslims, now Christians and/or forbidding minority studying its mother tongue in school is a racist country .
THIS VIDEO SHEDS LIGHT ABOUT THE PEOPLE, LIKE PAMUK WHO ABUSE THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
Ultra-Nationalism & Islamist AKP camps protect Turkey from the DANGEROUS LIES fomented by turncoats.
Undoubtedly, the SYSTEMATIC LYING by the Armenians and Turkish turncoats as itself is good reason for continuing to keep Armenia landlocked and isolated.
In brief, Orhan Pamuk you are a traitorous, turncoating son of @#$!%.
In a democracy (word that is not part of your dictionary ) anybody is free to say what they want.He was a free man and he had the curage to say the truth.He was educated and he liberated himself.
If all of the people had the same curage and determination , you would not fear the generals , so you would be free.
May be their people will hang them as the Germans didRecocnizing the truth and past history will allow you to overcome the insecurities.Then we will have peace.
Excuse me, first of all, trying to ignore the sufferings of your fellow countrymen between 1915-1923 and being a self hater of your ethnicity doesn't consist being democratic. Even if you guys hear idiots and cowards like Orhan the loser bark, you will still hate on Turkish people no matter what. We all know you guys want to wave accusations just to divide Turkey in the excuse of "human rights" and "democracy."
the definition of the turkish people is murders and guilty dirty people...they brain wash the kids in school and they all grow up to be just like their evil ancestors...there is never enough evidence to show you criminals and evil people that you really did kill a third of the armenian population...and yes we can't bring the people back like some say but we can bring it to at least recognition...you animals aren't even worthy of our time...Armenia will never leave it's Christianity or heritage!!
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The definition of the Armenian people is NEO-FASCIST, MONO-ETHNIC and extremist people... they also brainwash their children in their homes and schools to MAINTAIN THE LIE THAT IS RUNNING IN A VICIOUS CYCLE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. There is also never enough evidence to show that your ancestors also massacred Anatolian Turks and Kurds during the Great War.
Their church is state-runned by the government and they continue to believe in the GREATER ARMENIA, fostered by extreme biblical views.
kirmiziev it's because of backward uneducated turks like you that you can't join the European Union. You have the same mentality as your murderous ancestors and i'm sure you will never change because you are brainwashed to think what they tell you to think and you cant think for yourself.
orhan pamuk, you're a dog, a lot of turkish people hates you because you're anti-turc, et nous leq TÜRQUES ON détéste les traitre dans ton genre, I HOPE FOR YOU A REALLY TERRIBLE DEATH;
you are a devil, ORHAN PAMUK IS THE SON OF SATAN!!
peoeple can say what they want over our country TÜRKEY , but we will never disapear. we have had the biggest empire of the world " OSMANLI DEVLETI " and we will have the world too
cCc : meaning : TURC ISLAMI DUNYAYA MUHURLIYECEKTIR
This is just another Armenian propaganda vid. Armenians killed Turks also. But we dont cry and want world to rocognise it. Because it wont change anything. It will not bring our people back.
Thank goodness for the Jewish lobby and the Israeli Government that has blocked these ridiculous genocide resolutions from passing the Senate. They r the true survivors of a genocide, they should know what is...and what isn't!
The only reason that Israel avoids dragging the genocide into their politics is to avoid a falling out between them and their strongest ally in the region - Turkey. That's it! Israel needs Turkey's support, therefore avoids 'insulting' them.
You don't say! So being descendants of the Holocaust, they are completely ignoring and dismissing the genocide recognition of 10 million Armenians, because they are allies? What about US Congress trying to pass Resolutions against and ally?
The claim is 1.5 million, and yes, politics tends to almost always come before justice. That's why the US supported the Shah instead of encouraging democracy, or why we chose the Khmer Rouge to represent Cambodia instead of the new government installed by Vietnam. Politics. Also, because Turkey is no longer of much use to the United States, since we're pulling our troops out of Iraq. Turkey is not exactly a strategic corridor into Afghanistan.
Why does the United States fund and train Azerbaijani troops? Not because America gives a rat's ass about Azerbaijan's 'territorial integrity'. Politics again, and natural resources. We're kissing ass to get Azerbaijan's oil.
ufffffff bu ne milet be baceneze sikeyim birde avrupaya girmek istiyolar ulan eseg kabul etmez sizlere akherda giremesiniz uf be kusmam geldi bu ne bicim milet
Ermeni milletindenmi bahsediyorsun? Ya dogru.... soykirim yalanlariylan, kendilerini acindirip,tum kendi yaptiklarini saklayip herseyi Turklerin ustunue atma amacindalar.
Let the truth prevail. If there is genocide, accept it. Though, it was part of war, accept it. World has seen countless genocides so far. USA has accepted genocide of natives, Germans had to accept, Russia has accepted Stalin organized genocide. If Pamuk is wrong, why the other side doesn't come up wid valid proof?
There is valid proof. Turkey has been demanding to be heard in an International Courts of Justice or a Historical Joint commission for years...There are over 1 million archives regarding the Armenian issue from Ottoman archives. Everyone is free to view and investigate them.
you people are crazy and blinded by uneducated people. i hope you all kill each other!!! Orhan pamuk rock and you will understand it maybe 20-30 years ago that he did you a favour, you poor poor people, you have no cpacity to understand a man like Orhan. all you know is to feed the chicken and drink tea.
bu der turkye?? hahahahahahahahhahaahhaahaaaha bu ne sikimin memleketi lan hahahahahaahahahahahaha cabuk yapin avrupa sizin gibi esegleri bekliyor kolari acmis hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahah
"These left-overs from the former Young Turk Party, who should have been made to account for the millions of our Christian subjects who were ruthlessly driven en masse, from their homes and massacred, have been restive under the Republican rule."
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, an interview published August 1, 1926 in the Los Angeles Examiner. Wow, I know of no other way to interpret this quote.
Yeah, well, the Jews have a bad habit of being hypocritical. Look at the murders they committed in Gaza. Self-defense is one thing, and within reason, but too many women and children were killed for it to be justifiable.
"For too many years Armenian mothers had lulled their children to sleep with songs whose theme was Turkish fierceness and savagery."
Ohanus Appressian, lending testimony to how innocent Armenian children are subjected to the brutality of racism by their parents; their "Love NOT Thy Neighbor" churches are also known to join in this hatred bandwagon. Men Are Like That, 1926...
There is nothing heroic about murder. If you want to fight against the injustice and the racism that comes with genocide claims, your best recourse is to tell the truth. Once you sink to the hatred and violence-advocating level of brainwashed Armenians, you become no better -- and you're actually helping them, because the bigoted world thinks they are correct as they adverstise the savagery of Turks. You must pity fools; do not hate them, and shame on you for writing such terrible thoughts.
The QUESTIONS presented by me covered roughly the first half of this film. Clearly, the filmmakers and "reporters" were outrageously biased, and had chosen sides, something professional journalists do not do. The only thing honest journalists do is seek truth. These Britons could have easily consulted their own archives, and books such as THE ARMENIANS (1916) by C.F. Dixon-Johnson.
The biggest QUESTION, then:
Why has Journeymanpictures agreed to distribute such blatant and hateful propaganda?
Those who criticized Pamuk in Turkey are accused of being driven by a turbo-charged nationalism. If Britain were accused of wiping out the Tasmanians (Killed by Australians), does this mean the Briton who objects is a nationalist, or one who hates lies?
As for the hearsay claim of the witness who wasnt there (the one with a shrine to genocide) alleging the gendarme whipped the father and said, basically, that the Armenians were being gotten rid of, is that supposed to be proof?
The forced removal and killing of over a million Armenians.
Britain also forcibly removed and, worse, imprisoned its German men during WWI. But their Germans were NOT DISLOYAL. As for killing, where is the evidence for "INTENT"? The British FAILED to find this evidence during the Malta Tribunal.
Most Armenians died of famine-disease, the same as for most Turks. A chief culprit was Britain as it conducted its naval blockade.
As far as stealing all of the assets of the Armenians, were there not cases of their property being safeguarded? Didnt many return to their homes after the war? (644,900 remained, per the Patriarch in 1921.) Didnt those who left have the right to return (per Lausanne)? If the Armenians chose to leave, why should Turkey be blamed?
And what of the great plunder of Muslim wealth BY the Armenians when they mass-murdered hundreds of thousands in east Anatolia, during and after the war?
Armenians forced to march faced a near-certain death. If so certain, isn't it ironic that in the example of the film's big 90-year-old "witness," BOTH PARENTS SURVIVED?
Would not the 90-year-old (in 2006?) have been born in 1916? If he was not around in 1915, how could he be called a witness?
If one who is guilty is taken to court, he denies everything. No, some admit their guilt. And some taken to court are not always guilty. Then one would be a fool not to profess innocence.
Turkeys greatest writer, Orhan Pamuk. Who has made this designation? Has he become great because of his genocide stance?
If non-acceptance of this false genocide presents so many hurdles when it comes to joining the European Union (i.e., by allegedly opposing freedom of speech) what to make of EU member France, when it outlaws those who say there was no genocide?
The Ottomans forced Armenians to march into the desert.. literally a desert? How could any have survived then?
margaretkosey1968, i love the way you swear like that, your comment made me so horney i will get my girlfriend to read it to me while i fuck her in the ass!!!! muahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!
Oneintelligentmuslim, go and stick your ideas up your ass you Greek/armenian dog, ITS DOGS like YOU who play muslim roles for the orthodox church that is responsible for the deaths of your own people, and its dogs like you who should have your mothers fucked in the ass in front of you to teach uz a lesson.
We all know that in the year 1915 Turkey had a population of 13 mil. people. 30%(3,9 mil) was Christian (Armenians,Greeks and Armenians). We killed most of them and expelled the rest (1,5 mil remaining Greeks) in 1922. Now, all the Turks must stand unite and deny genocide, in the name of Islam. If we recognize that we killed 1,5 mil.. Armenians; 0,4 mil Assyrians and 0,3mil Greeks, the West will make us to pay compensations and land. THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD STRONGLY DENY ANY GENOCIDE !!! Ishallah
aakamsalak"o Ermenilerin bombeli siki senin agzina kapak olsun lan olunu sikdigimin pici,you mother fucking bustard world hade you ,all EU,and slept your face 45 yr shameless bastard.20 yr we took our land back that start you see,your future you barbaric bastard.
you fucking bastard ugly fat shit turk"aak cimshit" what you doing you donkey fucker? in Christian Country England,run a way from turkish army,because you scare to get killed by Kurts? or your Bitch Cyprus turk mother fuck Christian English DICK? that's why you are ugly turk bustard and like dog you bark hav hav hav you shit had go to your fucking bastard country,and can't have nothing,like others after 84 yr,Democracy?
ulan orosbu cocugu pic "aakcimshite"o butun Ermeni yaraklari kotunu,amini agzini burnunu kanini karini bacini sulaleni siksin,senin sisman got veren ,senin ben o orosbu kibrisli anani sikim,senin de cirkin yuzune osurayim lan yamulmus ipne,ejdadi sikik pic.
this man is brave & did the right thing in writing this book. he deserves the nobel peace prize. he didnt insult turkey, he is trying to help turkey accept responsibility,take accountability for what they did during the armenian genocide.The younger turkish generation are asking questions about this period, they are becoming suspicious of the history they have been taught. turkey has many scholars that know the truth about the armenian genocide but not all have had the courage like this man.
the armenians did the same thing to turkish people too, so that's why it is not a genocide, these things happen in wars, let's let it remain in the past! this was mutual both sides!
in 2005 turkiish prime minister offered armenian prime minister to open their historical archives and let historians to research on it but armenians rejected the offer. thats one of the biggest proof that ders no genocide. and plus 1992 why dsnt no 1 talk about khojali genocide where armienans kill thousands of azeri's
satilmis kopek!. aldigin nobel gotune girsin. turku karalayinca hemen nobeli yapistirdilar. 5 dakika erkek olupta almasaydin, simdi kahramandin. ama anani hangi ermeni sikti onu bilemiyorum
did you ever realise that when orhan pamuk accept the armenian genocide he just tooked nobel?? did you ever thinked about that point? if you deny the truth and when you listen western powers you will be rewarded and defended by all the western powers?im not muslim but it doesnt means that i should close my eyes and start to accept lie!
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The French senate voted today a bill to outlaw the denial of the Armenian genocide. 1 year of jail + 55.0000 $.
France will face a number of sanctions from Turkey, still France voted the law.
President Obama ? why don't you have any moral position ?
is only money your God ?
April1915 1 month ago
Hrant Dink deserved better than to be persecuted and then murdered for standing up for the truth.
MinisterAilingTongue 2 months ago
I remember reading My Name is Red when I was 15. It was the first translated novel I'd ever read. That was shortly before 9-11. I felt I had special knowledge because none of my peers had read it or taken an interest in Levantine history. I'm still fond of his books.
MinisterAilingTongue 2 months ago
I am an American. My forefathers came to this country and killed, raped, and stole everything from the American Indians that were already here. Millions of innocent indians died and I am truly sorry that such a shameful incident occurred. I am already teaching my small children not to believe what they are taught in school about the founding of this country. I am not proud of what happened here many years ago but admitting it and feeling sympathy for those harmed are the first steps.
mamaschuck 2 months ago
@mamaschuck Not genocide. The Armenians were slaughtered en masse in a coordinated attempt to purge them from the empire. That's genocide. No such attempt was made by US forces though harsh relocations and occasional massacres occurred. Bands of murderers from the settler community went on pogroms, and no attempt was made to assimilate the Indians and hence justice for Indians was never served. Those represent a clear divergence from genocide--a term that ought not to be thrown about cavalierly.
MinisterAilingTongue 2 months ago
"I am Turkish and i can say that i really respect Mr. Pamuk as a writer. I have already read all his books. During war time, many Turkish people were killed as well. During war time, many Turkish people were raped and abused by Armenians and Russians. Maybe Orhan Pamuk was right about their loss but I think he is totally wrong about the number of Armenian people killed. Has he ever tried to find out how many Turkish people, women and children were killed and raped during those times?"i agree
buasasdas 4 months ago
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@buasasdas The French senate voted today a bill to outlaw the denial of the Armenian genocide. 1 year of jail + 55.0000 $.
France will face a number of sanctions from Turkey, still France voted the law.
President Obama ? why don't you have any moral position ?
is only money your God ?
April1915 1 month ago
I am Turkish and i can say that i really respect Mr. Pamuk as a writer. I have already read all his books. During war time, many Turkish people were killed as well. During war time, many Turkish people were raped and abused by Armenians and Russians. Maybe Orhan Pamuk was right about their loss but I think he is totally wrong about the number of Armenian people killed. Has he ever tried to find out how many Turkish people, women and children were killed and raped during those times ?
bengucilali 6 months ago 2
lan orhan pamuk adimi rezil ettin aq yaziyorsan TÜRK ULUSU için deger veren birsey yaz aq
kralorhann 7 months ago
Orhan Pamuk is just a toy of the West Powers and the USA!
hazalinka 8 months ago
I suggest to Orhan pamuk one thing: Talk too much if you want to die. Some people will shut down your engine.
TheZEYNUDDIN 9 months ago
@TheZEYNUDDIN u suck
Serpico261 8 months ago
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@TheZEYNUDDIN Typical of AHs like you . YOU CAN NOT HANDLE THE TRUTH ! you should copy the greatest AMERICAN "THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH" right.
HBARDHI 7 months ago
Orhan pamuk must asked himself Am I novelist or politician? What a stupid man. How much money are you orhan pamuk? you are nothing and will be the same in all your fucking life. If you like Istanbul and your country, you should speak about good things. You are father of lies. We won't acccept like you characteristic people to live in our honest country. We will never accept those incorrect political incriminations. We will strongly be always against those bitches.
TheZEYNUDDIN 9 months ago
This video absolutely is wrong. All information is wrong. Why this shit channels always interviewed with descend of armenian. Why don't try to ask turkish people about this topic. Orhan Pamuk only tried to win Nobel Prize. that's the big reason why he said, turks killed many armenian and kurds. He has no knowledge. He is just talking about water, birds etc... stupid things.
TheZEYNUDDIN 9 months ago
@TheZEYNUDDIN wow what a nonsene. Are you turkish? lol
Serpico261 9 months ago
Ofcourse, Pamuk wants to be famous. Hell, I mean they awarded him the Nobel Peach Prize. Turkey has much enemies--those that exploit the Christian market and those that aim to destroy the natural balance of the middle east.
wolfvslion1 1 year ago
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I never knew he is a jew (yahudi) from Turkey,one day I have seen an ad in San Francisco Chronicle under-famous jewish writers going to sign their books etc.-This guy is from a very rich family,he never worked in his life.He had so much time to come up or make up phony-fake ass stories.I believe he is using jews for his personal gains.Mr.pamuk thinks that he is talking for all Turkish citizens.In Turkey he has zero credibility-respectability.Pamuk is a loser,he is a dishonest crooked person
AtillaCengizTimur 1 year ago
There is a saying: "When God wants to punish a people, He sends the Turks after them!" Truer words were never spoken.
HalalKafir 1 year ago
Article 301 ' should be wiped off. Ataturk would not have stand for it. Ataturk was a modern democratic man. Article 301 has nothing to do with democracy. Where is the freedom of speech
necroxeon 1 year ago
@necroxeon
301 is no more. It has been hanged substantially and prosecution authority is given to minister of justice only , which made prosecution almost impossible. So be happy.
vakasim 1 year ago
there you go!
Uncivil nation. They are not European never will be
woodss3 1 year ago
How about the french ''Facing Up To The Past'' in Algeria
The Dutch ''Facing Up To The Past'' in Indonesia/Suriname
The Brittish ''Facing Up To The Past'' in the whole world
Us ''Facing Up To The Past'' in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan
etc.
Hypocrite people!
Funky3887 1 year ago
@Funky3887
What about it?!!!!. Look at the state of Algerian independane. It's one of the most violent, fundementalist muslims nations, with one of thw most sickening displays of inhumanity; and AGAINST FELLOW ALGERIAN MUSLIMS!!!!. Look at Indonesia..a center for al qaida terrorism. It's a beautiful place, and look what they do without European laws and social training. Look at Vietnam as a result of communism..look at Iraq left to it's own self rule; total chaos. Afghanistan=TALIBAN.
Vasilis719 1 year ago
''Armenians throughout history,constantly on the master and changed the ROMAN,BYZANTINE,IRANIAN,RUSSIAN,BRITISH,FRENCH,GERMAN,TURKISH.........in the history scene new new master came out,the Armenians the old masters have systematically sold.''.........................Russia's most famous historian VL VELICKO.
smayundav09 1 year ago
It is FACT, It is documented, real life, Armenian Genocide happened, join my site wwwcashArmenikingcom
Armeniking 1 year ago
Orhan Pamuk ! On what grounds are you making this accusation ? Where are the documents ? Geeks had a lot of Armenians in that period.Why not send them into exile ? Do you know ? 570.000 Turks were killed by Armenians.5.5 million Turk were deported from Balkans and the Caucasus.Armenia ,let's open reciprocal libraries proposal is not acceptable ever.you don't know history.
smayundav09 1 year ago
I love armenians... they need an apology .. and its a must
pornpan96 1 year ago
Turkey opens their historical archives to the whole world to see but yet Armenians still haven't opened their archives, why is that? Oh because their dirty secrets will be revealed that's why theyre too scared instead they just lobby other nations. The genocide never happened and never existed. Armenians are living in La La land they are still trying to use their tactics to get money and land which will never ever going to happen.
oxbadcoded 1 year ago
the israelis are killing now as we speak they say in self defence I ask wath defence they destroyed lebnan for two soldiers and killed 1400 poeple for two soldiers let the EU first talk about the present then the past
erhan2brother 1 year ago
@erhan2brother Do you really want to see what happens if Israel lays down their weapons? You will be the next in line to be beheaded, remember that....
SparapetVardan 1 year ago
I say it is treu that armenians were killed but 1.5 million poeple killed I do not beliefe that but I just want to ad that orhan pamuk is an sneake felow as if he realy cares about the armenian iseu he won prizes
erhan2brother 1 year ago
The Journeyman distributors don't do themselves a favor by handling one-sided propaganda. It is all right to have a point-of-view in a documentary, but it's not correct to base the POV on prejudice. Genocide is a well-financed, political movement, supported by biased Westerners as the Australian reporters involved. No one would have heard of Orhan Pamuk if he didn't come out on this subject; as the villain of this piece accuses, Pamuk gained fame, prizes and adoration from the Turk-bashing West.
tellyoutrue 1 year ago
We're told that the "official Turkish version" says the Armenians sided with the Russians. Armenian sources, as Bogus Nubar and Armen Garo, verify this truth. "They say the Armenians have exaggerated the death toll" - if there were 1.5 million Armenians, 1.5 million or 1 million couldn't have died, especially when we know 1 million survived, so that's true. "Many Turks were killed by Armenians" -- consult US investigators Niles & Sutherland and Russian testimony. Is this a "script" or the truth?
tellyoutrue 1 year ago
The 90-year-old Armenian was born in 1916, a year after the relocation, so he didn't bear direct witness to how his elder brother died. This is hearsay, not evidence. The real proof lies in the survival of his parents; if there was a real genocide policy, no way could they have survived. As far as his "guilt complex" theory, he and the biased Aussies should have applied the same to the mass murder of hundreds of thousands committed by the Armenians, with great plunder of materials and money.
tellyoutrue 1 year ago
It was terrible for people to be expelled from their homes, but when the Armenians sided with the Allies, they posed a great danger in a life-or-death war. Britain imprisoned/deported their WWI Germans just on suspicion of disloyalty. When the show tells us of "the forced removal & killing of over a million Armenians," they not only ignore Armenian treachery, but they imply the "killing" was intentional. To prove genocide, evidence is needed, and these bigoted Aussies didn't care about research.
tellyoutrue 1 year ago
There are many distortions in this prejudiced program. "Most historians" do not recognize a genocide, because most genocide scholars are not historians. Real historians who know the facts don't get involved for fear of attack. What Journeyman, the Aussie reporters and Orhan Pamuk, if honorable, need to consider are the true historical facts. The commenters on this page come mainly from the hateful genocide-brainwashed. Readers need seek the early comments of "LazDamar" from "View all Comments."
tellyoutrue 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue
The number of Ottoman-Armenians who sided with the Russians was something like 2,000-10,000; less than 1% of the Armenian population of the time. By resorting to such generalizations, you destroy what potential credibility you still have at this point. Furthermore, the number of Muslims killed by Armenians is much less, because with so few rebels, they couldn't possibly kill so many people, even if they were unarmed. Those reports were just anti-Armenian fear mongering techniques.
Gunderson002 1 year ago
@Gunderson002 Wrong on all counts, as usual. The entirety of the Ottoman-Armenian community was allied with the Ottomans' enemies, as Boghos Nubar has admitted. A British officer (Wooley) estimated the Armenians killed 300,000-400,000 in two provinces alone much as the figure was half a million. (The half million Armenians who died mostly died of famine/disease.) Killer Armenians conducted mass murder once Ottoman lands were occupied by their Russo-French allies, when civilians were defenseless.
tellyoutrue 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue..LASTLY
"Wrong as usual"?LOL. Let's see what your suggesting. Armenians should be loyal to THEIR "occupiers"(for 100's of years), and turkey should be "pitied" for being "occiped" by France and Russia?!!!!LOLOL. How ironic that turkish independance came from the direct involvment of BOTh those nations in the Greco-turkish war!!!(and Italy). How does "famine and disease" as the result of turkish fighting against Armenian "allies" justify turkey?!!!!. Your wishful thinking is comical
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue Does the fact that nazi germany had planned to exterminate all jews by means of genocide become irrelevant because millions of jews survived WWII? What you are stating is that a genocide is not a genocide unless the targeted group of people is completely exterminated. Something is wrong with your logic....
SparapetVardan 1 year ago
@Sparapet The telling point in your inappropriate parallel, since the Holocaust was real and your genocide is not, is that the original Jews from Germany were almost wiped out. There is nothing wrong with the "logic" that insists upon the majority of a targeted people's needing to have been killed while living under the roof of their oppressors, IF there was a real extermination plan. It was the majority of Armenians who survived. (Patriarch vouched for 645M remaining in the Otto. E., in 1921.)
tellyoutrue 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue..PART 4
Is this supposed to be "quote" from a "Patriarch"?!!!!LOLOL..and what is "vouched for 645M remaining" supposed to suggest?. That their were 645 "million" Armenians in turkey, in 1921?!!!!LOLOLOLOL. Quite laughable..LOL. Their wasn't even that many BEFORE that genocide!!!!!. Your "proof" is beyond a ridiculous attempt..LOLOL. 90% of turks are mixed native Anatolian blood, including Armenian. That isn't an "Armenian" population statistic; it's turkish.
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue..PART 5
The genocide wasn't just Armenians. It was Pontic Greeks, Assyrians, Maronites, and all Christians in general. The small communities of Armenians in places like Lebabnon, Syria, Iran, are ALL far from their homeland in the north. Now, we have 80% of Armenia with no Armenians, and communities of Armenians far from Armenia!!!!. THAT is called "dispalcement", and obviously "displacement" only serves a purpose for "extermination". Ohter wise, nothing would be done.
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue..LASTLY
"Majority being killed"?, or minority killing their oppressors?. Either way, it's ridiculous. The majority(let's say turkish, since they were a large, heavely mixed population) has the "right" to kill "targeted" minorities?..or minority has the "right" to kill the majority; which is their oppressors?!!!!. The first is a complete disgrace, the second was impossible. NONE of ANY "Patriarch" would defend, EITHER WAY. Look at the state of Christians in turkey. What do you see?
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue..PART 6
Just in the U.S. archives ALONE, are a MOUNTAIN of first hand reports of the Armenian genocide. EVERY nation that was in ottoman turkey at the time of the genocide has documents(including the ottoman's allies) of the genocide. THAT, aith the fact that 80% of Armenian has no "Armenians", makes it quite clear that "extermination" was the result of "deportation"..of a civilian, non-combatant population of women ,children, etc.
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@Vasilis719: It was that "MOUNTAIN" of evidence in the U.S. archives that the British rejected entirely by the summer of 1921, during their Malta Tribunal investigation; they found it all to be hearsay. And yes, it was the Armenian Patriarch who vouched for 645,000 (not million, idiot) Armenians still living in the empire in 1921. So all Christians were marked for genocide? You need facts before making such irresponsible statements, but facts are the last thing you care about, you LOL'ing fool.
tellyoutrue 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue
"Rejected" first hand accounts of a "friendly" nation of the ottomans, with MUCH investment in Anatolia?!!!!LOLOL. Gee, how ironic that the British scholars invovled in the study of "genocides", see the simple fact that 80% of Armenia has NO ARMENIANS, and that turkish presence in Armenia was one of invasion and occupation..yet the British "government" rejected the obvious..LOL, as does all nations who wimp out for material and strategic importance. GROW A BRAIN..LOL.
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue..PART 2
As for who's the "idiot".
1.) How couold a Patriarch(even if he wanted to), have a stastic number of dead Armenians?!!LOL.
2.)How is 645,000 dead Armenian a "better" judegment of turkish human rights?.
3.)350,000Pontic Greek, 1/3 of the Assyrian population, Maronite Lebanese..what do they ALL have in common?. THEY'RE ALL CHRISTIAN, AND ALL TARGETED BY THE CRUMBLING OTTOMAN EMPIRE FOR EXTERMINATION, BY FIRST HAND ACCOUNTS OF AL NATIONS IN ANATOLIA AT THE TIME.
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue..PART 3
Let's take a look at pre-genocide turkish attrocities. The "Hamadian massacres" of Armenians(in the 100's of thousands), and let's take a look at an example from 1955..the pogroms of Constantinople reduced the NATIVE GREEK population from 300,000 to just under 2,000 today. Do you see a pattern here?!!!!LOL. The archives of EVERY nation(including Britain) have first hand accounts of mass killing, rape, etc. But obcourse turkey must be telling the "truth", right?..
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue..ONE LAST THING
"Killer Armenians"?!!!!. These were a people who had to accept turks coming to their homes, and taking what they wished, including women..and when asked for better treatment, had the islamic students turned on them to mass killing..not to mention, they were a virtually unarmed minority population. What loyalty, and what capability did they, or could they have to or against the same turks who removed 80% of their population?!!!!. YOUR A COMPLETE MORON. PERIOD.
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@Vasilis719
tellyoutrue is about as intellectually honest as David Duke. Please don't waste your time with him. He won't listen to anything that is told to him. Like practically all deniers, he carries around a big stamp with the word "Armenian propaganda" written on it to avoid actually having to explain himself. HIs evidence mostly consists of gross generalizations, cherry-picked excerpts from historians who accept the genocide, and arbitrarily accepted statistics treated as absolutes.
Gunderson002 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue Greeks should look at what they done to the Abanian Macadonians then talk about Armenians
izaak1211 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue
"if there was a real genocide policy, no way could they have survived."
Genocide isn't just about killing, you know. They didn't just kill Armenians. They also kindapped them and forcibly assimilated them into Turkish culture. They forced them to convert to Islam, take Turkish names, and even be circumcised in many cases. Think before you say something stupid.
Gunderson002 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue Armenians, mostly in the east, sided with Russians and indeed started fighting back. Did you want them to silently and obediently die in the deserts? Does that disprove in any way the fact that Turkish government planned to exterminate its christian population?
SparapetVardan 1 year ago
@Sparapet Please try & leave your emotions aside. All you've read is your propaganda, so you are ignorant of the facts. The Armenian rebellion was in the planning stage for years, based on Dashnak documents. They weren't "fighting back," they attacked -- the idea was to siphon off Ottoman military strength. And, oh? There was a plan to exterminate? If you have no evidence, as the British rejected (during the Malta Tribunal) all that's pushed today as proof, then how can you make such a charge?
tellyoutrue 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue..PART 1
LOL.."put your emotions aside"?. What would trigger Armenians "emotions"?. They wre wealthy and educated..yet they were under turkish occupation. It's incredibly "convenient" of to overlook the dominant factor in Armenian-turkish relations. 1/3 of Christian boys were forcably taken to be raised as turks, and serve the sultans army, girls could be taken at will from their families, and Armenians were to allow ANY turk free room and board; which often caming with raping women
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue..PART 2
Secondly, when the Armenians appealed for human rights, the turkish government unleashed the students of the islamic schools on them..which resulted on MASS massacre, rape, etc. The genocide of 1915 wasn't an isolated event. The Hamadian massacres; and countless others before, had killed 100,000's of Armenians(Greeks, Assyrians, Maronites, as well). 80% of the Armenian homeland is now turkish and kurdish. How do you think that came to be?!!!!.
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue..PART 3
Your suggestion that a virtually unarmed(Armenians were not allowed to be armed by their turkish occupiers) civilian population had the resoruces to fight the turkish government is beyond laughable..LOL. Furthermore, when they DID mount a resistance against kurdish and turkish tribes taking women and pillaging their villages, it was the most the Armenian people had ever managed, and it was in self defense. "Liberation" from the mentioned circumstances are TOTALLY justified
Vasilis719 1 year ago
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Vasilis719 1 year ago
@tellyoutrue Well said
izaak1211 1 year ago
turks, out of your windows is 21st century, but you and your "country" like fascist!!! Even with respect to your turk citizens!!!
You were barbarian, you still are!!!!!!!!
Don't even dream about Europe!!!!
God bless Orhan Pamuk!!!!
TheArmenianLady 1 year ago
bi nodel prize icin vatani satan pic!!!
TheGhengizKHAN 1 year ago
Why a couple of so-called Turkish writers like orhan pamuk support armenian genocide? because winnig a nobel prize is not so easy, If she hadnt supported the armenain genoceid, he couldnt have won this prize...
pygmailon 1 year ago
Even though Turkish nationalism may be a problem, I think the emphasis on the genocide issue is a bit misplaced. Most countries have massacres in their history that they tend to gloss over in their history books. I know in my country most of the bad parts of our colonial past aren't discussed in regular history classes, even though some still happened very recently.
I'm not trying to excuse it, but it's something all countries do.
megamarsvin 2 years ago
The Turks think that we (Ashurians/Assyrians), Greeks, and Armenians Hate Turks naturally. For the most part, this is big misconception. I have Greek, Armenian, and Turkish friends who are also friends with each other.
What we hate the most is the Turkish Government, and the Ottoman Ruling elite that were responsible for the Genocides of the Armenians, Ashurians & Greeks.
But, thanks to brave Turks like Orhan, & many like him, I think there's still hope for the recognition. God Bless Orhan!
Nimroud 2 years ago 13
@Nimroud
What? What R U talkin' 'bout? Go to ask europeans - what they do think 'bout turks! I believe you'll get very unpleasant answer...
Hollandia777 1 year ago
@Hollandia777 What am I talking about? I'm talking about as soon as Turkey admits to the genocides, it will get respect from the whole world! That's what I'm talking about. The Germans admitted & apologized for their crimes/genocide against the jews. Why can't the Turks do the same for the Christians? Do we not have enough Archival Evidences and documentaries? The whole world has seen the evidence, including the Turks! That's why many honorable Turks are saying Turkey should recognize!
Nimroud 1 year ago
@Nimroud
Well, the problem this fraction of prominent turks 2 speak 'bout this problem is almost negligible. The rest is very chauvinistic, narrow-minded & retarded. What's most irritatin' by them - they always think they're right; they simply cannot imagine there's some1 with another point of view!
Hollandia777 1 year ago
@Hollandia777 They've been raised that way! They can't believe that someone other than a Turk can be right because they were taught that in their childhood.
Fortunately though, there's a growing group of Turks, in Turkey, that are very aware about the Genocides, & are supporting a Turkish Lawyer who's asked for Turkey to Recognize the Genocide, & this group of intellects are in the thousands. Maybe they mentioned it in this video?. These are the Turks who will right the wrong! Let's hope.
Nimroud 1 year ago
@Nimroud
I'd like to hope!
Hollandia777 1 year ago
@Nimroud
Should be: "the problem is this fraction of prominent turks speakin' 'bout this problem is almost negligible" Sorry!
Hollandia777 1 year ago
@Nimroud i have a turkish background and with all seriousness, a lot of turks are weak minded fools. I mean its a sad truth. The same idiots elected todays government and dont even understand what free speech implies. Too many stil dont understand what the idea of democracy is all about. They just dont get it
Serpico261 8 months ago
@Serpico261 I was just there, in Istanbul last April, the people there seemed very much like any other Mediterranean people, friendly & warm. It's our governments & the Muslim Radical Religious leaders that make the middle East such a hostile place to live in.
Personally, I think believe what you want, but don't dictate your beliefs on s/o else, then kill them if they don't accept your thinking. The middle-east & Asia minor is a Heaven ruled by Idiots & Tyrants.
Nimroud 8 months ago
@Nimroud you are definitely right to name the government and the religious leaders.
I would also add religious followers and nationalists. These are the ones that support and elect these guys in the first place. They give them power and acceptance and brainwash their kids with rubbish ideology.
when ever i talked to turks (left, right) there is this almost guaranted neurotic ignorance towards other opinions. Just bring this topic on. Emotions and ignorance lead the arguments, like always
Serpico261 8 months ago
@Serpico261 Well said my friend. It's so sad when we see Ignorance dominating the brains of the masses in the world, when they too can be so much better than that, if they just opened their minds, just a crack.
Blind Ignorance & False Pride, the cancer of every civilzation!
Cheers to all!
Nimroud 8 months ago
@Nimroud i salute you too companero! The reason why humans are so vulnerable is not a mistery. When you think about that the architecture of our brain is not an invention of the 20th century. The basic functional concepts of our brain and all the implications that it bring are up to 160,000 years old.
I hope you dont get a false impression from me. I was a lot in turkey and i like "everything" there, its the place where i have my roots, but still a narrow minded culture and mentality dominate.
Serpico261 8 months ago
@Serpico261 Cheers my friend! So sad to see so much beauty being destroyed by the hands of evil. Humans have such great potential, yet we continue our thirst for blood, power & riches, things that are totally alien to the nature of this world. We can learn so much just from watching the behavior of animals, how they play, eat, nurture, appreciate the land. These simple things we take for granted. I swear, animals have more honor than us!
Nimroud 8 months ago
he's not twisting history you faggot
sadvsh 2 years ago
for goodness sake dat genocide did happen why dont u guys just admit it and say dat was a big mistake and we are sorry for that flaw in our past u guys are so brainwashed dat u make shit up
gettingchilli 2 years ago
its the education of turkey it bumps in blind nationalism, thats why many turks cannot accpet this, but not all.
DEVRIMCI2007 2 years ago
Fuckoff Dirty communist bastard
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
u fuck off
DEVRIMCI2007 2 years ago
it makes me sick seeing istanbul full of those brainwashed lunatics .
garioldwin 2 years ago
when a county can tell that the county have done it then the country who have made it must pay millions of dollars for the country for ever as a little paymad for the killed ppl but it dont go cuz it was a time the world war where armenia fought against türkey with russia
TrabzoNFreaK61 2 years ago
ataturk was a great man and he built the turkey we know today...but the ottomans were exactly the opposite of ataturk...if ataturk were alive today he would have praised orhan and he would reconsider this issue!
liilu8 2 years ago
just think about it at the end of this video they show hrant dink he was killed a few years ago!
liilu8 2 years ago
A 3rd world Turkey?
To think this country wants to join Europe!
WHY? Is it for the money?
What can Turkey possibly bring to the European Table? They have NOTHING to offer.
Surely this Muslim country would
de-stabalise Europe with their many unreasonable demands?
If Turkey could face up to its genocidal past,it would be a start healing the history.
'freedom of speech' is a basic right.
But Turkey doesn't know the meaning of the words.Hence They will NEVER join Europe.
iceland111 2 years ago
I dont understand why this so called Armenian Genocide is used against Turkey in order to stop them to join to the EU. How did they accept the Germany then, didnt they killed millions of Jewish people??????
fatihozenFB 2 years ago
PROSTATHS, i thought you were Kurd! why i was not suprised to see that you are a Greek! Mate, wake up, you live in 21st century, there is no place for your kind of fckn stupid, narrow minded nationalist people! this world is a burning hell and center of disputes just because of pricks like u... every nation had made mistakes in the past, u think you greeks are all angels! PEACE mate PEACE...this is the only solution...my words goes also to Turkish nationalists, American nationalist etc.!!!idiots
fatihozenFB 2 years ago
Long live Kurdistan, Armenia, Greece, Serbia and Russia! FUCK FASCIST TURKEY
PROSTATHS 2 years ago
Orhan Pamuk = çok güzel lan!!
I respect this man.
PROSTATHS 2 years ago
Σας γαμώ όλους σκατοφλώροι Μόγγολοι
PROSTATHS 2 years ago
Orhan Pamuk götün yiyorsa bir daha söyle öyle bişede bakalım dünyanın neresine saklanabilirsiniz
Dasdaus 2 years ago
when he atold a lie about turks,he got nobel...bitch of son...senin o güzel kızını sikeyim orospu çocuğu
Dasdaus 2 years ago
Orhan Pamuk is one of the greatest guy ever that (unfortunately) carrying a Turkish passport. To be citizen of that crap country is just unfortunate for him. I feel so sorry for him. His entitle of his opinion, and they, those stupid people are not even aware of freedom of speech
dinololo 2 years ago
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tzlawina 2 years ago
Armos are just dirty psychotic liers who got into the habit of conjuring up phantasmagoric stories like "Great Armenia" and forcing themselves to believe in all this idiocy.
catcherintherye2009 2 years ago
If armos are so confident of the righteousness of their claims, why they rejected Turkey's offer to bring the issue to international criminal court, not to mention Turkey's gesture of goodwill meant to open all the archives reciprocally and establish an international commitee charged with scrutinizing the issue from historical perspective.
catcherintherye2009 2 years ago
The absurdity of Armenians' claims is so apparent that they even don't try to back it by factual historic data and bring the matter to discussion, instead they are after politicising the problem and exploiting it as a means of manipulating Turkey , their only motive for incessantly stirring genocide issue is their futile aspirations for reparations amounting to billions of dollars and faceless claims over Turkey's eastern lands.
catcherintherye2009 2 years ago
FUCKING SNAKE Turks think this cunt, Hrant Dink was an angel, as a matter of fact, he was a fucking snake.
Orhan Pamuk and Taner Akcam are both low life scums who are after Nobel Prize and recognition by the western countries and both are fucking losers, both will do anything, even lying and betraying their own people, to be somebody. SHAME ON THEM... And for you armos, we opened our archieves to the world, where is yours? What are you hiding you fucking lying sac of shits.
TurksSayNo2EUfuckyou 2 years ago
Orhan Pamuk is a thief..
his books are stolen ..
-''Black book'' is from Umberto Eco-ROSE NAME,
-"Mr.CevdeT and his sons" is from THOMAS MANN-BUDDENBROKS
-"White Castle" is from PEDROS CHRONİCLES
-"My name is Red" is from
Gabriel Garcia MARQUEZ's book- THE RED MONDAY..
deprerach 2 years ago
Bravo Pamuk, You are a great guy!
aequivocus 2 years ago
A society can never grow and progress unless it can take an honest look at its past--the good, the bad and the ugly...obviously, Turkish society isn't anywhere near taking that step.
Paulynyc 2 years ago
orhan pamuk huron zohn
osmanli0709 2 years ago
In fact, this not just the Ultra-Nationalist and/or Islamist Turks whom have been cementing falsehood propaganda, but all the political spectrum in Turkey, except Kurd MP's who are not allowed to insult "Turkish ness".".
"Democracy" that put people in prison because disagreement about a historical event (unquestionable fact = Armenian Genocide) and/or persecuting Ex-Muslims, now Christians and/or forbidding minority studying its mother tongue in school is a racist country .
Secular1000 2 years ago
There is righteous in Sodom, Orhan Pamuk.
The video sheds light about the lacking of freedom of speech in Turkey.
Ultra-Nationalism & Islamist AKP camps jointly deny the genocidal actions which had been committed by their ancestors.
Undoubtedly, the systematic denial of Armenian genocide as itself is a good reason for preventing Turkey being EU member.
In brief, Orhan Pamuk you are a hero.
Secular1000 2 years ago
THIS VIDEO SHEDS LIGHT ABOUT THE PEOPLE, LIKE PAMUK WHO ABUSE THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
Ultra-Nationalism & Islamist AKP camps protect Turkey from the DANGEROUS LIES fomented by turncoats.
Undoubtedly, the SYSTEMATIC LYING by the Armenians and Turkish turncoats as itself is good reason for continuing to keep Armenia landlocked and isolated.
In brief, Orhan Pamuk you are a traitorous, turncoating son of @#$!%.
simpleinstrument 2 years ago
In a democracy (word that is not part of your dictionary ) anybody is free to say what they want.He was a free man and he had the curage to say the truth.He was educated and he liberated himself.
If all of the people had the same curage and determination , you would not fear the generals , so you would be free.
I hope it come soon.
kitsos1959 2 years ago
The Generals are still in power.
Democrace does not exist in Turkey.
That nazi lawyer is the proof.
May be the poor people will be free soon.
kitsos1959 2 years ago
Very good video...This video clearly shows how ultra-nationalists in Turkish state are dominating and manipulating the historical facts.
orkunful 2 years ago
Yes ,it is true that the ultra nationalists
keep Turkey back from going forward.
They can not allow the truth to be told.
May be their people will hang them as the Germans didRecocnizing the truth and past history will allow you to overcome the insecurities.Then we will have peace.
I pray for that.
kitsos1959 2 years ago
kitsos1959,
Excuse me, first of all, trying to ignore the sufferings of your fellow countrymen between 1915-1923 and being a self hater of your ethnicity doesn't consist being democratic. Even if you guys hear idiots and cowards like Orhan the loser bark, you will still hate on Turkish people no matter what. We all know you guys want to wave accusations just to divide Turkey in the excuse of "human rights" and "democracy."
PatrioticTuranist 2 years ago
the definition of the turkish people is murders and guilty dirty people...they brain wash the kids in school and they all grow up to be just like their evil ancestors...there is never enough evidence to show you criminals and evil people that you really did kill a third of the armenian population...and yes we can't bring the people back like some say but we can bring it to at least recognition...you animals aren't even worthy of our time...Armenia will never leave it's Christianity or heritage!!
armeniangurrl 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
The definition of the Armenian people is NEO-FASCIST, MONO-ETHNIC and extremist people... they also brainwash their children in their homes and schools to MAINTAIN THE LIE THAT IS RUNNING IN A VICIOUS CYCLE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. There is also never enough evidence to show that your ancestors also massacred Anatolian Turks and Kurds during the Great War.
Their church is state-runned by the government and they continue to believe in the GREATER ARMENIA, fostered by extreme biblical views.
simpleinstrument 2 years ago
Abuse of freedom of speech?, obviously you don't understand what it means.
The Armenian genocide has been recognized by the INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GENOCIDE SCHOLARS ,etc.
Greater Armenia?, LOL!, what are your troops doing in Northern Cyprus?, who is plotting against A Kurdish state in Northern Iraq?
Who authorize you to speak for the Kurds?
To begin with, let them study their Kurdish Language in school, then we will talk.
Lastly, Turkey must do a serious soul-searching.
Secular1000 2 years ago 5
kirmiziev it's because of backward uneducated turks like you that you can't join the European Union. You have the same mentality as your murderous ancestors and i'm sure you will never change because you are brainwashed to think what they tell you to think and you cant think for yourself.
btw, go fuck yourself gay turk mother fucker.
TurkAzgeKunem 2 years ago
orhan pamuk, you're a dog, a lot of turkish people hates you because you're anti-turc, et nous leq TÜRQUES ON détéste les traitre dans ton genre, I HOPE FOR YOU A REALLY TERRIBLE DEATH;
you are a devil, ORHAN PAMUK IS THE SON OF SATAN!!
peoeple can say what they want over our country TÜRKEY , but we will never disapear. we have had the biggest empire of the world " OSMANLI DEVLETI " and we will have the world too
cCc : meaning : TURC ISLAMI DUNYAYA MUHURLIYECEKTIR
kirmiziev 2 years ago
ya bi siktir git...ne türkçeyi ne ingilizceyi ne de fransızcayı doğru düzgün konuşmaktan acizsin iq özürlü gurbetçi...
eaenteaen 2 years ago
Orhan Pamuk i hope ul die a really painfull dead.
betrayer
gsboss7 2 years ago
This is just another Armenian propaganda vid. Armenians killed Turks also. But we dont cry and want world to rocognise it. Because it wont change anything. It will not bring our people back.
Melihcan 2 years ago
Thank goodness for the Jewish lobby and the Israeli Government that has blocked these ridiculous genocide resolutions from passing the Senate. They r the true survivors of a genocide, they should know what is...and what isn't!
tmoda61 2 years ago
The only reason that Israel avoids dragging the genocide into their politics is to avoid a falling out between them and their strongest ally in the region - Turkey. That's it! Israel needs Turkey's support, therefore avoids 'insulting' them.
HaykakanBanak 2 years ago 2
You don't say! So being descendants of the Holocaust, they are completely ignoring and dismissing the genocide recognition of 10 million Armenians, because they are allies? What about US Congress trying to pass Resolutions against and ally?
tmoda61 2 years ago
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HaykakanBanak 2 years ago
The claim is 1.5 million, and yes, politics tends to almost always come before justice. That's why the US supported the Shah instead of encouraging democracy, or why we chose the Khmer Rouge to represent Cambodia instead of the new government installed by Vietnam. Politics. Also, because Turkey is no longer of much use to the United States, since we're pulling our troops out of Iraq. Turkey is not exactly a strategic corridor into Afghanistan.
HaykakanBanak 2 years ago 2
Why does the United States fund and train Azerbaijani troops? Not because America gives a rat's ass about Azerbaijan's 'territorial integrity'. Politics again, and natural resources. We're kissing ass to get Azerbaijan's oil.
HaykakanBanak 2 years ago 2
ufffffff bu ne milet be baceneze sikeyim birde avrupaya girmek istiyolar ulan eseg kabul etmez sizlere akherda giremesiniz uf be kusmam geldi bu ne bicim milet
IIMAM1OO1 2 years ago
Ermeni milletindenmi bahsediyorsun? Ya dogru.... soykirim yalanlariylan, kendilerini acindirip,tum kendi yaptiklarini saklayip herseyi Turklerin ustunue atma amacindalar.
tmoda61 2 years ago
turkey commited many horebell genocides
aramean51 2 years ago
Let the truth prevail. If there is genocide, accept it. Though, it was part of war, accept it. World has seen countless genocides so far. USA has accepted genocide of natives, Germans had to accept, Russia has accepted Stalin organized genocide. If Pamuk is wrong, why the other side doesn't come up wid valid proof?
Hindusthaan 2 years ago
There is valid proof. Turkey has been demanding to be heard in an International Courts of Justice or a Historical Joint commission for years...There are over 1 million archives regarding the Armenian issue from Ottoman archives. Everyone is free to view and investigate them.
tmoda61 2 years ago
you people are crazy and blinded by uneducated people. i hope you all kill each other!!! Orhan pamuk rock and you will understand it maybe 20-30 years ago that he did you a favour, you poor poor people, you have no cpacity to understand a man like Orhan. all you know is to feed the chicken and drink tea.
Girlishable 2 years ago
bu der turkye?? hahahahahahahahhahaahhaahaaaha bu ne sikimin memleketi lan hahahahahaahahahahahaha cabuk yapin avrupa sizin gibi esegleri bekliyor kolari acmis hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahah
IIMAM1OO1 2 years ago
"These left-overs from the former Young Turk Party, who should have been made to account for the millions of our Christian subjects who were ruthlessly driven en masse, from their homes and massacred, have been restive under the Republican rule."
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, an interview published August 1, 1926 in the Los Angeles Examiner. Wow, I know of no other way to interpret this quote.
HaykakanBanak 2 years ago
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Orhan pamuk I hope you come back,Then WE CAN FUCK YOU AS WE FUCK FUCKING hirant DICK!!!!!
aslanim174 2 years ago
Orhan Pamuk denen orospu çocugu ananı sikicez senin
Vykadila 2 years ago
Yeah, well, the Jews have a bad habit of being hypocritical. Look at the murders they committed in Gaza. Self-defense is one thing, and within reason, but too many women and children were killed for it to be justifiable.
HaykakanBanak 2 years ago 4
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"For too many years Armenian mothers had lulled their children to sleep with songs whose theme was Turkish fierceness and savagery."
Ohanus Appressian, lending testimony to how innocent Armenian children are subjected to the brutality of racism by their parents; their "Love NOT Thy Neighbor" churches are also known to join in this hatred bandwagon. Men Are Like That, 1926...
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BabyKillerArmenians 2 years ago
There is nothing heroic about murder. If you want to fight against the injustice and the racism that comes with genocide claims, your best recourse is to tell the truth. Once you sink to the hatred and violence-advocating level of brainwashed Armenians, you become no better -- and you're actually helping them, because the bigoted world thinks they are correct as they adverstise the savagery of Turks. You must pity fools; do not hate them, and shame on you for writing such terrible thoughts.
tellyoutrue 2 years ago
The QUESTIONS presented by me covered roughly the first half of this film. Clearly, the filmmakers and "reporters" were outrageously biased, and had chosen sides, something professional journalists do not do. The only thing honest journalists do is seek truth. These Britons could have easily consulted their own archives, and books such as THE ARMENIANS (1916) by C.F. Dixon-Johnson.
The biggest QUESTION, then:
Why has Journeymanpictures agreed to distribute such blatant and hateful propaganda?
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tellyoutrue 2 years ago
QUESTIONS
Those who criticized Pamuk in Turkey are accused of being driven by a turbo-charged nationalism. If Britain were accused of wiping out the Tasmanians (Killed by Australians), does this mean the Briton who objects is a nationalist, or one who hates lies?
As for the hearsay claim of the witness who wasnt there (the one with a shrine to genocide) alleging the gendarme whipped the father and said, basically, that the Armenians were being gotten rid of, is that supposed to be proof?
tellyoutrue 2 years ago
QUESTIONS
The forced removal and killing of over a million Armenians.
Britain also forcibly removed and, worse, imprisoned its German men during WWI. But their Germans were NOT DISLOYAL. As for killing, where is the evidence for "INTENT"? The British FAILED to find this evidence during the Malta Tribunal.
Most Armenians died of famine-disease, the same as for most Turks. A chief culprit was Britain as it conducted its naval blockade.
See /watch?v=GoV5YkntA_g
Was Britain guilty of genocide?
tellyoutrue 2 years ago
QUESTIONS:
As far as stealing all of the assets of the Armenians, were there not cases of their property being safeguarded? Didnt many return to their homes after the war? (644,900 remained, per the Patriarch in 1921.) Didnt those who left have the right to return (per Lausanne)? If the Armenians chose to leave, why should Turkey be blamed?
And what of the great plunder of Muslim wealth BY the Armenians when they mass-murdered hundreds of thousands in east Anatolia, during and after the war?
tellyoutrue 2 years ago
QUESTIONS:
Armenians forced to march faced a near-certain death. If so certain, isn't it ironic that in the example of the film's big 90-year-old "witness," BOTH PARENTS SURVIVED?
Would not the 90-year-old (in 2006?) have been born in 1916? If he was not around in 1915, how could he be called a witness?
If one who is guilty is taken to court, he denies everything. No, some admit their guilt. And some taken to court are not always guilty. Then one would be a fool not to profess innocence.
tellyoutrue 2 years ago
QUESTIONS:
Turkeys greatest writer, Orhan Pamuk. Who has made this designation? Has he become great because of his genocide stance?
If non-acceptance of this false genocide presents so many hurdles when it comes to joining the European Union (i.e., by allegedly opposing freedom of speech) what to make of EU member France, when it outlaws those who say there was no genocide?
The Ottomans forced Armenians to march into the desert.. literally a desert? How could any have survived then?
tellyoutrue 2 years ago
margaretkosey1968, i love the way you swear like that, your comment made me so horney i will get my girlfriend to read it to me while i fuck her in the ass!!!! muahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!
08turk 2 years ago
Oneintelligentmuslim, go and stick your ideas up your ass you Greek/armenian dog, ITS DOGS like YOU who play muslim roles for the orthodox church that is responsible for the deaths of your own people, and its dogs like you who should have your mothers fucked in the ass in front of you to teach uz a lesson.
08turk 2 years ago
We all know that in the year 1915 Turkey had a population of 13 mil. people. 30%(3,9 mil) was Christian (Armenians,Greeks and Armenians). We killed most of them and expelled the rest (1,5 mil remaining Greeks) in 1922. Now, all the Turks must stand unite and deny genocide, in the name of Islam. If we recognize that we killed 1,5 mil.. Armenians; 0,4 mil Assyrians and 0,3mil Greeks, the West will make us to pay compensations and land. THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD STRONGLY DENY ANY GENOCIDE !!! Ishallah
oneinteligentmuslim 2 years ago
emenilerinin amina koysunlar lol
ur country's shit, nobody cares about u, u got fucked by Turkey and Russia lol!!
aakcimbom 2 years ago
aakamsalak"o Ermenilerin bombeli siki senin agzina kapak olsun lan olunu sikdigimin pici,you mother fucking bustard world hade you ,all EU,and slept your face 45 yr shameless bastard.20 yr we took our land back that start you see,your future you barbaric bastard.
paulkasabian 2 years ago
you fucking bastard ugly fat shit turk"aak cimshit" what you doing you donkey fucker? in Christian Country England,run a way from turkish army,because you scare to get killed by Kurts? or your Bitch Cyprus turk mother fuck Christian English DICK? that's why you are ugly turk bustard and like dog you bark hav hav hav you shit had go to your fucking bastard country,and can't have nothing,like others after 84 yr,Democracy?
paulkasabian 2 years ago
ulan orosbu cocugu pic "aakcimshite"o butun Ermeni yaraklari kotunu,amini agzini burnunu kanini karini bacini sulaleni siksin,senin sisman got veren ,senin ben o orosbu kibrisli anani sikim,senin de cirkin yuzune osurayim lan yamulmus ipne,ejdadi sikik pic.
paulkasabian 2 years ago
dumme armenier
kiano22 2 years ago
this man is brave & did the right thing in writing this book. he deserves the nobel peace prize. he didnt insult turkey, he is trying to help turkey accept responsibility,take accountability for what they did during the armenian genocide.The younger turkish generation are asking questions about this period, they are becoming suspicious of the history they have been taught. turkey has many scholars that know the truth about the armenian genocide but not all have had the courage like this man.
margaretkosey1968 2 years ago
orhan pamuk is a idiot.the armenieans and greeks killed a lot of turks .but that is war.
ghiraykhan 2 years ago
the armenians did the same thing to turkish people too, so that's why it is not a genocide, these things happen in wars, let's let it remain in the past! this was mutual both sides!
norwegiangirly08 2 years ago
in 2005 turkiish prime minister offered armenian prime minister to open their historical archives and let historians to research on it but armenians rejected the offer. thats one of the biggest proof that ders no genocide. and plus 1992 why dsnt no 1 talk about khojali genocide where armienans kill thousands of azeri's
BlackScorpian38 2 years ago
fucking templars.. lying bastards.. Theres no genocide!
VlkClk 2 years ago
over 500,000 deaths... if thats not genocide you must be crazy
EagleDestiny 2 years ago
satilmis kopek!. aldigin nobel gotune girsin. turku karalayinca hemen nobeli yapistirdilar. 5 dakika erkek olupta almasaydin, simdi kahramandin. ama anani hangi ermeni sikti onu bilemiyorum
shamanccc 3 years ago
armenier waren barbarische mörder und haben eine gerechte strafe bekommen
jetzt nützt auch all das gejammere nicht
das pubertierende deutsche rassisten und türkenhasser daraus ihr ding drehen ist das andere
kiano22 3 years ago
did you ever realise that when orhan pamuk accept the armenian genocide he just tooked nobel?? did you ever thinked about that point? if you deny the truth and when you listen western powers you will be rewarded and defended by all the western powers?im not muslim but it doesnt means that i should close my eyes and start to accept lie!
coldcasecikitamuz 3 years ago