@ Shaidyn. All joints in the body can be moved and packed. Just because articulations are bound with connective tissue that doesn't mean that they cant move. You're comment is the only thing aberrant of logic. Have you ever handled a human scull? I have. Read a book.
...Cont'd...If we become so closed-minded and think we know it all, and this is it-then science will come to a screeching halt-we cannot grow. I don't care what profession these commenters are in, any JUNIOR HIGH science class will teach the "scientific method". A theory is tested and re-tested, and you analyze your findings...your results....Cont'd ....
First of all- ZOMBO: nobody appreciates your little dumbass, irrelevant, inflammatory remark. Second: the body CAN heal itself often times-it's called the immune system!! I didn't say ALL the time...medicine (ie drugs) is necessary sometimes, no doubt. HOWEVER-- Although science has come a VERY long way, there are things even the best doctors in the world cannot explain. Cont'd......
The skull sutures are, in adulthood, held together by Sharpey's fibres, which allow for a very small amount of movement, but unlike a baby's skull, which is not fused, this movement is highly limited. In old age, the suture often fuse completely. There is no connection whatsoever to "fluid" of any sort. If a "misalignment" of the skull bones occurred, you'd be far past any sort of craniosacral therapy - more like an ICU/morgue.
Previous post continued: ...and NOT the typical uncritical cabbageheads who fall fir every snake-oil claim on the web. This ProctoLion should be cybertarred and feathered and run out of cybertown on a virtual rail.
I don't know who this ProctoLion is, but believe me, boys and girls, I was speechless with disbelief after hearing this lady explain craniosacral therapy. The skull bones DO fuse in adolescence and everything she claims is a load of dingoes' kidneys. For once it's nice to see a lot of posters who are appropriately skeptical and the typical uncritical cabbageheads who fall for every snake-oil salesman on the Web just because it's "natural." Strokes, heart attacks and malaria are nice and natural
cranialsacral is TEMPORARY, costly, and generally ineffective. i know a therapy that makes incredible and permanent improvements to the skull and body. message me for more info!
@Sjoerdtify It is not a doctor's jacket...it is a lab coat. As a massage therapist, I can tell you that we wear them to be professional, not to pretend to be doctors.
Good job on the video! Thanks for being so thorough. Anyway all of the nurses and others in the medical field seem very threatened by this video.... hmm what's going on there?
Re: Crumplehorn and other skeptics. Not everything is about a lot of force. I've learned time and time again that the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
I am a great fan of energy work and im a massage therapist but this is not science. Sorry, I know anatomy too and all you're doing is massage and maybe reiki.
I'm a huge fan of athena's massage videos, but I can't buy into this. If you could move the bones in the skull with a 5 gram pressure, then one solid blow to the dome would pop them right off. And if the bones in the skull aren't fused into a solid whole, why do our skulls stay in one piece after death? Shouldn't they fall apart after the membrane holding the bones together decomposes? I'm sorry, but this is bogus on a purely logical level.
and go see a real doctor? so they can prescribe you more meds that will cause you greater problems? In the next 10 years you will see this type of therapy/medicine blow up. WESTERN MEDICINE IS FRAUD
dear people I am a biodynamic craniosacral therapist based in Amsterdam and I'm doing this work already 15 years and despite whatever people don't believe in it works...and ends complaints that many neurologist cannot figure out.......it is not about changing the sutures condition and the skull for 1 cm that is of course impossible, but the changes in 1000 of mm. can have a huge impact in our health...I also teach this tehrapy and this changes really deeply my life.....so experience it first ..
@unmani1 I would like to learn how to work with it. because me and my friend had a chiropractic clinic for helping people around us. It's for low and middle class only. Please let us know how to do it because we really need this. You could find me on FB, Amelia V Salim, let us know...Thank you
I don't care whether it is science based or not...if my pain goes away without medication why would you or anyone else want to mess with that? Even if it is the placebo effect WHO CARES! And yes I know research.
All I know is a was a painful mess before this therapy. Instead of getting shots of Dilaudid for migraines in the ER or being hospitalized for days to relieve them this wonderful therapy could knock them out dead. Also after C4-5 C5-6 Fusions and terrible back pain it was this therapy that once again helped me when nothing else did. Don't knock it until you try it. I owe being able to move and function to this wonderful Therapy and highly recommend it.
If the point is to be relaxed at the end, I'd say it does what it's supposed to. The only concern is people to stupid to realize this is a massage, not an actual medical procedure.
"If the point is to be relaxed at the end, I'd say it does what it's supposed to. The only concern is people to stupid to realize this is a massage, not an actual medical procedure. "
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yes ppl are stupid and misled by characters like Athena Jezik who try to sell their "art" as something mystic, medical and spin a bullshit fairytale of the "principles" involved just so they would come of as highly trained professionals in order to sell their services better.
I had some sessions of cranial work and it has had devastating effects on my health and I'm not talking in a good way. I have had to leave my job, the issues that I wanted helping have just got worse and everytime I try to do any simple techniques to help myself, my body just reacts really badly. The reason I am writing this is not to put people off, but I would like to find out if anyone else has had any bad side effects from this therapy??
@ninabaxter If you did this instead of a very necessary medical procedure, I'd say that's on you. This is a massage, but definitely not something you should do in place of surgery or any other major medical procedure. Go see a real doctor.
@Xandra1076 This CST was recommended to me. There are a list of conditions cranial work can help with and mine is one of them. Unfortunately, my illness has no cure and I certainly don't need a medical procedure or surgery! Moreover, I have since found out a friend of a friend did cranial work after seeing a doctor who also couldn't help her and it had exactly the same effects. It took her 2 years to recover from what it did to her.
@ninabaxter I still can't see what you're saying. At worst it's just a massage. Like Proctolion said, it's simply not possible to shift skull bones once they fuse, unless you're a person whose bones did not, in fact, properly fuse. What exactly did the therapist do that caused such severe problems?
I have to say that this works,i´m a herniated guy ,for that reason my ciatic nerv its affetted for my rest of my life i have tried a lot of massage with phisioterapist ,so one day went to a ostheopat and doing this tecnic the results were incredible.Now i can spend a normal life.
Has anyone here with negative comments ever had this done? It's incredible, one of my favorite therapies, as it is so gentle yet effective, particularly after trauma from accidents. Don't knock it 'til you try it is all I'm saying.
Massage is great. Most people would agree nothing lowers your blood pressure (at least temporarily) like a nice relaxing massage. I would love to be a massage therapist. That being said, it's not a cure for most anything. It might be a nice ancillary treatment for people with hectic, stressful lives, but saying you can cure anything by pushing your fingers into soft tissue is akin to some far out chiro's that think you can cure cancer with cracking joints.
would this therapy help a person who has had a botched sagital split osteotomy that relocated their lower mandible at a cant and has had their sympathetic nervous system impaired now?
Okay... so the little "we're not responsible for the fake medicine included in this video" thing is weird. If you don't support the fake medicine, then why promote the video? This woman is not a real "therapist" at all, just call her what she is, a massage therapist. There's no medicine here, she is not a doctor, and people like her SCAMMING people who believe they are conducting medicinal therapy should be fined and/or arrested for false promotions and claims with an intent to profit.
I am not certified in Massage Therapy, but it does make me giggle when she says 5g of pressure. Anyone with a B.S. in math or chem knows 5g is a mass measurement. Pressure is not measured in grams, it is a force measured in newtons. I would be hesitant to allow anyone to apply any sort of "pressure" on my skull bones, fused or unfused. She clearly has no understanding of physics nor its terminology's.
I would love to have a WarOnARack with the girl in the green shirt!
Factually, most of what Ms. Jezik asserts is simply not true. Skull bones are not mobile, they are fused, and CSF certainly doesn't move in the way she suggests. It is highly unreasonable to assume that 5g of pressure would have any effect on the numerous maladies she claims to be able to heal. Her "therapy" would have no demonstrable effect. I would also not regard her as harmless, since she is fraudulent, promoting falsehood and ignorance, and stealing monetary compensation from unwitting folk
unscientific. Sorry Athena. I respect your expertise in massage knowledge but using the bone names to give a scientific picture to the talk was not agood choice. sp. hinge movement of Sphenoid bone!! come on. 1st year medical student would know these bones are interlocked. I totally agree with Gorillathehun
@onzeman2007 That is exactly what I thought: the sphenoid and ethmoid bones do NOT move unless you have had some severe head trauma. Otherwise, as you said, they are firmly interlocked. This whole concept is bullshit and people believe it because she's wearing a white lab coat and "looks official."
3. It is a massage and it helps to release pain and with other problems too. There is no scam in it. But hey, most of the people think that chiropractic is a scam, too.
My thing is science (physics) and western medicine, but still I am able to read her fucking information or at least wikipedia before posting stuff. It's not like she invented CST, and people don't go there again and again because they feel "scamed", but because it helps their pain.
@MsCrumplehorn Have you noticed that, despite numerous requests, she has not cited any legitimate references nor her credentials? Sure, it lists that she is "licensed" for things, but from where? Is it from a legitimate, scholarly institution or is it from some BS website that will license anyone for anything as long as you pay a fee?
@ProctoLion 1. I dont really give a fuck about most of the discussion, just go the website and look what shes writing or look at the links here. I mean seriously....
2. Cranial Sacral Therapy is a kind of massage therapy practised by 1000s of people. It is doesn't do wonders and no, she is no medical doctor.
But seriously, it is a fucking massage. What do you expect, a PhD MD from Johns Hopkins?
@meggaiwa If someone is going to be "shifting my CSF around" and "moving" my cranial bones," then yeah you bet your ass they'd better have a PhD MD and not some "certificate of completion" from God knows where.
@ProctoLion Given that CST is not a regulated modality, there is no schooling that she can provide that will appease you. One can hope that she's chosen the best education available to her. No clue. I'm willing to bet though my my education and knowledge of the subject is more advanced than hers.
I've had this treatment and so have a number of people I know and I thought I'd just say that cranio-sacral it is a legitimate form of therapy and gets results. It is amusing to see all the comments by all the little people who have been brainwashed by the US medical system and pharmaceutical companies... Don't bad mouth what you do not know!
@stooges666 Especially when her website has a "Donate with PayPal" button on it so that one can donate money to "help people benefit from advanced alternate therapies." I am assuming that this means "donate money to line my pockets so that I can continue to push this scam."
@MsCrumplehorn It IS bullshit. I'm a nurse and I can tell you that it takes over a ton of force to reduce the diameter of the human skull 1cm. If there is increased intracranial pressure, the brain herniates through the foramen magnum, causing a life-threatening emergency. The skull is highly unyeilding for a REASON: to protect the brain tissue. Additionally, there is a blood-brain barrier which prevents CSF from leaking out of its proper compartments. If it leaks out, seek immediate help!
Try this technique before you knock it, go and have a session, feel it, do not observe and read about it, but FEEL it, feel the energy, the lifting of problems through simple touch.
You traditionalists are so far behind, you passed over the truth when you took your Hippocratic oath in complete ignorance. This is the future, energy, nutrition, alkalizing, positivity, being happy, letting go, staying positive, now that is real medicine.
@ttown1851 Who is not a nurse? The 1/3 of my classmates who have washed out of our program and didn't graduate with us. And I'll politely decline your offer. I have no desire to FEEL my cranial bones pushed out of alignment to the point that my CSF is moving out of its proper compartment. I believe in chiro, but this is something totally different as well as medically questionable.
Over a ton of force....? That's bull lady. If a water buffalo stood on your head it would crush you skull like nothing. A big horse is only like 800 pounds, but if he stood on one leg on your head I bet it would crush.
@ploxioths Maybe I should clarify: I'm talking about overall, circumferential force, not force applied to one specific spot. You can see this result using an egg: hold the egg in your hand so that there is not force on any one particular spot and try to break it by squeezing it uniformly all around. You cannot do it! But, of course, if you press into the egg with a couple of fingertips, the egg will crack.
@ProctoLion You can claim is BS all you want to, I highly suggest you go seek out a certified cranial-sacral therapist and test the theory yourself before you go casting accusations. Just because you are not educated on a subject that fails to validate any OPINION you have on the subject. You deal w/ modern medicine that pollutes the ORGANIC body we have. Try coming over to the light side of natural techniques that have been around longer than you have been a nurse or educate yourself at least.
@kneadsbyjoanna Oh god... It's absolute bullshit. But there's a placebo effect behind it. It can be explained but most people are ignorant to the explanations, and the scientific work behind them.
Same goes for natural medicine, it only works in a limited number of cases, while modern medicine works in alot more cases, in alot of different manners.
But this isn't natural medicine, it's a massage disguised as medicine.
@ivanlagrossemoule modern western "medicine" has the same placebo affect as well as natural or "alternative medicine", medicines that don't effect or cure the cause of dis-ease in the body. just treating symptoms, are only toxic and ineffective in the long term use. they also have side effects which can be even more troublesome than the initial symptoms. before you ride a bandwagon, do more research on which you speak. someone less informed or less educated might accidentally believe you
@nialicious77 When you pay for painkillers, you get what you pay for. Of course it only treats the symptoms and you end up with side effects, but no one's lying about it.
You can even buy placebos actually. But that's irrelevant to the problem. Alternative medicine is mostly based on bullshit and the placebo effect. Try taking care of an infection without antibiotics, using a little massage and some herbs... Or maybe acupuncture.
@ProctoLion This "NURSE" is wrong, not on the comment of reducing the human skull, but in the fact that the nurse claims "If there is increased intracranial pressure, the brain herniates through the foramen magnum, causing a life-threatening emergency. "
Nope sweetie, I and many in my circle have IIH-increased intracranial pressure/hypertension, and brain herniation thats called Arnold Chiari Malformation. NOT life threating emergencies. I have them both and am not going to die!
@maryjefferies1973 Your condition is what we in the medical profession call "chronic." When a condition is congenital or chronic, as is yours, the body sometimes compensates for the malformation. A life-threatening emergency is when the brain suddenly, or "acutely" herniates downwards through the formamen magnum. I saw this personally last month when my niece died from brain swelling after being hit by a car while she was crossing the street. BIG difference.
@maryjefferies1973 I too suffer from Chiari Malformation and have had the decompression surgery. I was told NOT to have this therapy that it could be very dangerous, with having the durapatch etc...I will admit this therapy is interesting but I wouldn't take the chance of anyone touching my head since being decompressed.... But if it works for you then great!
She isn't talking about a 1cm change in the scull. The movement is very subtle, maybe only 1mm. I think she is referring to better protection with increased buoyancy and pliability. Of course she is not saying a condition where CSF leaking out of the compartment is treated with this because that would be a condition treated by a doctor. Craniosacral is for chronic and non life threatening conditions where the client may not be interested in drugs or surgery.
@ProctoLion As a TBI survivor and the son of a N.P. I can attest that Cranial Sacral therapy is a life saver and life changer. It worked wonders I was able to walk better move better and and function better.
So if it's the most important part of the process, and the part that had the most significant effect on the patient, why wasn't it demonstrated? I for one would have liked to see how you torque a joint in the core of the skull, from the outside, with your fingers.
these people need to go open up a cadaver and peel off the scalp and then see if they can move or separate the skull bones from each-other with their bare hands. You'd have to be andre the giant to do that.
@teenybeanz By the time someone would go to a cadaver and do that the bones are much harder so your point is irrelevant despite the controversy surrounding cranio-sacral therapy.
@VisionsofSprode It doesn't change the fact that the pieces of bone have visibly FUSED together! This isn't about controversy this is about reality. And what phenomenon are you referring to where the bones would harden? Not rigor-mortis because that is just muscles tightening and has nothing to do with the skeletal structure and resolves itself in around 36 hours.
@VisionsofSprode It doesn't change the fact that the pieces of bone have visibly FUSED together! This isn't about controversy this is about reality. And what phenomenon are you referring to where the bones would harden? Not rigor-mortis because that is just muscles tightening and has nothing to do with the skeletal structure and resolves itself in around 36 hours.
There is no fluid, there is mo expansion, there is no bones that tilt. Stop selling massage in a dishonest way. Sell it as something that makes you feel good.
While in massage school I took craniosacral therapy. I am a logical person and not easily convinced of anything and at first I did not believe it actually worked or was true and then I did a private session with the teacher and wow!... I really could feel the fluid move from left to right. In time I could feel when the energy was stuck and I learned how to manipulate it back into flow/rhythem. My teacher was an early student of Upledger in California. PJ Hair. I should do more Cranio work
I get a lot from just SLOWLY doing horizontal figure eights with my chin - starting in small circles progressing into bigger circles then smaller to a stop!
As a REIKI practitioner, I do believe in this practice,altough REIKI focuses on the concept that the energy is what flows through the seven chakras that have to be aligned (an in coincidence whit the spine). The hands postures - at least for what the video shows - are exact the same as REIKI applies.
As a REIKI practitioner, I do believe in this practice,altough REIKI focuses on the concept that the energy is what flows through the seven chakras that have to be aligned (an in coincidence whit the spine). The hands postures - at least for what the video shows - are exact the same as REIKI applies.
I like how simply wearing a lab coat automatically instills +3D6 Intelligence to most people, haha, this lady is a quack! One could only wish that a massage can correct spinal fluid leaking out of your skull.
I am a survivor of massive head trauma, going through pain that most people cannot possibly imagine. You people that have never been through something like that can take a hike, and have NO clue what the rest of us have been through. HEY DOCTORS, I was air lifted to Barrow neurological's ICU and have seen MANY (like 10+) neurologists and a neurosurgeon for my pain- guess what that got me? NOTHING. JUST PRESCRIPTIONS. Alternative medicine like this is all we have left.
I'm just starting as a massage therapist student and I came across this video. It was very easy to understand especially with a demonstration.
I do have some opinions, though. I can't believe whether to go with this theory or believe the information that anatomists gathered from (dead) cadavers. So the only way to really judge it, is to experience it. I believe the "lack of evidence" whether this therapy is affective or not should be clear, then.
Very interesting video. I've had incredible results from cranio, including an almost immediate improvement in my vision issues (just got glasses, now don't need them) and incredible improvement in my nighttime vision! Three sessions so far--that's it!
Does a facepalm count as Cranial Sacrum Therapy? If so, your video has caused me to involuntarily perform an unnecessary medical procedure on myself, and I demand compensation!
@c6gunner I too suffered an involuntary facepalm while viewing the video. I wonder how many others are experiencing IvFp syndrome, induced by this vidoe?
@cdawng I've seen some pretty lame osteos. I'd rather see a skilled rmt than a crappy od that got 100% at school, and if you don't know what I'm talking about, then you're probably one of them.
@donadthegonad lol. Seems like someone got offended. I'm sorry, but if you want real craniosacral therapy go see and osteopath, since the technique was developed by an osteopath. The osteopath's that you saw were probably former RMT's that tryed to be something greater but failed. Sorry bud, Craniosacral therapy was developed for an osteopath, so it only makes sense to see a well skilled osteopath for craniosacral therapy. Enough said. lol
@cdawng lol. Not offended at all. lol. You're the one that was offended. lol. You were offended by my suggestion that not all osteopaths are "well skilled" as you put it. lol. There are more and more reductionist osteopaths out there these days. lol. So all I was suggesting was that a person "well skilled" at craniosacral need not be an osteopath. lol. "Greater". lol. You ARE one of them. lol.
@donadthegonad well if you were not offended then why did you reply to my post in the first place? It is not like I was addressing you. Sorry, someone seeking craniosacral therapy should see a well trained osteopath rather then an RMT .
@cdawng I replied to your post because you arrogantly dismissed anyone who is not an osteopath as being unable to provide "real" craniosacral therapy. In my experience as a former professional athlete and recipient of hundreds of hours of manual therapy, your assertion is patently untrue and misleading to people using this site as a resource to inform themselves. Oh, and if anyone in the U.S.A. reading this wants to see a "well trained" osteopath you have to go to Europe or Canada, sorry.
Saphire,the cranial bones, eg, temporal, occipital, frontal etc are NOT fused. They are divided by fascia and aid in secondary respiration (the movement of spinal fluid from the brain stem, throught the spinal cord to the sacrum and back up to the brain.) When she says "contrary to what has been taught in anatomy classes" she is referring to old thought and method.Cranial sacral work has the potential to change someones life and can eliminate chronic pain altogether.
I have had depression and chronic headaches for years and years and cranial sacral therapy was the thing that had the greatest healing effect on me. I believe 100 % in it.
Cranial Sacrum Therapy is really helping me, to manage my chronic headaches. I have been suffering with headache for last 17 years. I dont get relief with pain killers also, when headaches shoots up and stay there for days. It is very helpless & frustrating with no proper option. Now i go to CST in this situation and i get reliefs and relief continues for few days to a week. When my doctor is not avaliable, i have problem in getting same level of reliefs from other doctors of same batch.
This WORKS. Don't listen to doctors who do not have an open mind to this. I am a miracle story. Give this a try if you are suffering after head injuries.
Anatomists have learned about the human body by mostly studying cadavers. In a living person there IS mobility between the cranial bones. With a sensitive touch, you can feel this movement.
i agree with Gorillathehun ... this is a load of crap. i mean YES its relaxing and enjoyable...as is any massage... however most of her facts are all wrong. she even said at the beginning.. "contrary to what is taught in anatomy classes" ...well if you arent a professional and you dont have the training in what you're talking about.. dont teach it. i'm sure she knows a lot about massage therapy.. but there are scientific facts contradicting what she says.
I have news for you. I suffered a head injury. I was stuttering, my vision worsened - as well as had night vision issues, and had major headaches & TMJ. Two years of pleading with western medicine doctors provided me zero relief. They just wanted to treat me with medications. ONE treatment with a chiropractor who practiced cranial Sacral therapy CORRECTED my vision instantly, the night vision issue disappeared, the TMJ corrected and headache dissipated. You can call it crap if you want.
So what..That does not mean she does not have the same knowledge as a doctor just because she does not have a piece of paper that sez she is a doctor.A fucking piece of paper means shit.Its what you know.WAKE UP IDIOTS.
It's not about what the piece of paper says; it's about what it takes to earn one. And, if you've got CSF coming, "up through the membrane," you need emergency surgery, not a massage.
You may wish to take a course in anatomy. Of course people would go to the appropriate medical practitioner for surgery, although if you have no understanding of what the licensing is about, you have misunderstood all the things holistic medicine has to offer and are caught in the trap of western medicine.
@Gorillathehun As a nursing student who just completed my neuro clinicals, I totally agree!!!! With the blood-brain barrier, the only way that CSF fluid "comes out" is through a traumatic accident to the dura mater or the spinal region.
Who said anything about her being a doctor? She isn't pretending anything she has had specialized training in the hands on modalities. people who have this training are valuable.
Alternative therapies practiced by responsible,sensible & of course well prepared therapist can be a great difference in the quality of life & wellbeing of people.
I have multiple sclerosis and I just start going to a cranio sacral doctor in my area. I have had two session with the doctor and I have already seen and felt the difference in my body. I had two relapses that took away my ability to move the left side of my body and, after lots of rehab, I felt that I could try this therapy too to see if it could help my body heal from all the damage that medicines and the relapses themselves caused me...
try living foods diet. You can also do a search on You tube for ms and raw foods. I remember coming across someone who got to the point where they are symptom free. It's worth a shot.
@angelbe88 Thank you for mentioning this diet. I do eat lots of raw foods but I am not following a specific diet at the moment. I love vegetables, fruits and nuts and I enjoy eating them every day!
Thank you so much for caring! it is worth a shot, I agree with you!
@ Shaidyn. All joints in the body can be moved and packed. Just because articulations are bound with connective tissue that doesn't mean that they cant move. You're comment is the only thing aberrant of logic. Have you ever handled a human scull? I have. Read a book.
basscurl 5 days ago
...Cont'd...If we become so closed-minded and think we know it all, and this is it-then science will come to a screeching halt-we cannot grow. I don't care what profession these commenters are in, any JUNIOR HIGH science class will teach the "scientific method". A theory is tested and re-tested, and you analyze your findings...your results....Cont'd ....
btarvinrdh 1 week ago
First of all- ZOMBO: nobody appreciates your little dumbass, irrelevant, inflammatory remark. Second: the body CAN heal itself often times-it's called the immune system!! I didn't say ALL the time...medicine (ie drugs) is necessary sometimes, no doubt. HOWEVER-- Although science has come a VERY long way, there are things even the best doctors in the world cannot explain. Cont'd......
btarvinrdh 1 week ago
How does Cranio-Sacral differ from Bio Cranial Therapy?
OMGaNEWBIE 2 weeks ago
BORING!
MissPickles1 3 weeks ago
Zombo...dumb f'n statement. Take your successful victim routine elsewhere.
Categorycinque 3 weeks ago
The skull sutures are, in adulthood, held together by Sharpey's fibres, which allow for a very small amount of movement, but unlike a baby's skull, which is not fused, this movement is highly limited. In old age, the suture often fuse completely. There is no connection whatsoever to "fluid" of any sort. If a "misalignment" of the skull bones occurred, you'd be far past any sort of craniosacral therapy - more like an ICU/morgue.
gandalfmen1 1 month ago 5
I wanna get some Craniosacral Therapy for my tinnitus.
shusterandy 1 month ago
Previous post continued: ...and NOT the typical uncritical cabbageheads who fall fir every snake-oil claim on the web. This ProctoLion should be cybertarred and feathered and run out of cybertown on a virtual rail.
JMDinOKC 1 month ago
I don't know who this ProctoLion is, but believe me, boys and girls, I was speechless with disbelief after hearing this lady explain craniosacral therapy. The skull bones DO fuse in adolescence and everything she claims is a load of dingoes' kidneys. For once it's nice to see a lot of posters who are appropriately skeptical and the typical uncritical cabbageheads who fall for every snake-oil salesman on the Web just because it's "natural." Strokes, heart attacks and malaria are nice and natural
JMDinOKC 1 month ago
cranialsacral is TEMPORARY, costly, and generally ineffective. i know a therapy that makes incredible and permanent improvements to the skull and body. message me for more info!
Kabaraz01 1 month ago
the moment she said texas i knew that somwhere hidden in the video somewhere was a black person being lynched and amazing i was right 14:12
ZOMBO100 1 month ago
Apparently, ProctoLion likes to harass everyone who comments. I guess people use youtube to harass others to make themselves feel better.
xflaxen1 1 month ago
It's funny how they randomly put on a docter's jacket to seem proffesionalxD
Sjoerdtify 2 months ago
@Sjoerdtify It is not a doctor's jacket...it is a lab coat. As a massage therapist, I can tell you that we wear them to be professional, not to pretend to be doctors.
tinaw1969 1 month ago
Good job on the video! Thanks for being so thorough. Anyway all of the nurses and others in the medical field seem very threatened by this video.... hmm what's going on there?
positivebodycare 2 months ago
I have Arnold Chiari Malformation, and this therapy is helping me a lot.
celylun1 2 months ago
massage starts at 3:33
web262 3 months ago
I've had this done by my teacher in massage school. it was AMAZING. i was on a natural high for days.
hansy20 3 months ago
Re: Crumplehorn and other skeptics. Not everything is about a lot of force. I've learned time and time again that the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
neoneoneocortex 3 months ago
If a 5 gram pressure is effective, wearing a motorcycle helmet or a winter hat must be SUPER effective. lol
2003SCT 3 months ago
so beautiful your work !
Thanks.
arqfran75 4 months ago
I am a great fan of energy work and im a massage therapist but this is not science. Sorry, I know anatomy too and all you're doing is massage and maybe reiki.
mtzamora 4 months ago 3
I'm a huge fan of athena's massage videos, but I can't buy into this. If you could move the bones in the skull with a 5 gram pressure, then one solid blow to the dome would pop them right off. And if the bones in the skull aren't fused into a solid whole, why do our skulls stay in one piece after death? Shouldn't they fall apart after the membrane holding the bones together decomposes? I'm sorry, but this is bogus on a purely logical level.
Shaidyn 4 months ago 17
@Shaidyn As much as I think she's relaxing, her health facts are largely outdated our simply wrong.
artist4immortality 1 month ago
I thought she was black. Nice tan!
AlbatrossDude 5 months ago in playlist Massage Therapy Video Psychetruth
and go see a real doctor? so they can prescribe you more meds that will cause you greater problems? In the next 10 years you will see this type of therapy/medicine blow up. WESTERN MEDICINE IS FRAUD
kaorutsukushiable 5 months ago
CRANIAL SACRAL THERAPY WORKS... just because you don't believe it doesn't make that the correct answer. DO SOME RESEARCH
kaorutsukushiable 5 months ago 3
dear people I am a biodynamic craniosacral therapist based in Amsterdam and I'm doing this work already 15 years and despite whatever people don't believe in it works...and ends complaints that many neurologist cannot figure out.......it is not about changing the sutures condition and the skull for 1 cm that is of course impossible, but the changes in 1000 of mm. can have a huge impact in our health...I also teach this tehrapy and this changes really deeply my life.....so experience it first ..
unmani1 6 months ago 18
@unmani1 I would like to learn how to work with it. because me and my friend had a chiropractic clinic for helping people around us. It's for low and middle class only. Please let us know how to do it because we really need this. You could find me on FB, Amelia V Salim, let us know...Thank you
wirezfull123 2 hours ago
I don't care whether it is science based or not...if my pain goes away without medication why would you or anyone else want to mess with that? Even if it is the placebo effect WHO CARES! And yes I know research.
MKayKeller 6 months ago 6
All I know is a was a painful mess before this therapy. Instead of getting shots of Dilaudid for migraines in the ER or being hospitalized for days to relieve them this wonderful therapy could knock them out dead. Also after C4-5 C5-6 Fusions and terrible back pain it was this therapy that once again helped me when nothing else did. Don't knock it until you try it. I owe being able to move and function to this wonderful Therapy and highly recommend it.
marysean 6 months ago 4
If the point is to be relaxed at the end, I'd say it does what it's supposed to. The only concern is people to stupid to realize this is a massage, not an actual medical procedure.
Xandra1076 6 months ago
@Xandra1076 --
"If the point is to be relaxed at the end, I'd say it does what it's supposed to. The only concern is people to stupid to realize this is a massage, not an actual medical procedure. "
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yes ppl are stupid and misled by characters like Athena Jezik who try to sell their "art" as something mystic, medical and spin a bullshit fairytale of the "principles" involved just so they would come of as highly trained professionals in order to sell their services better.
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Xandra1076 6 months ago
I had some sessions of cranial work and it has had devastating effects on my health and I'm not talking in a good way. I have had to leave my job, the issues that I wanted helping have just got worse and everytime I try to do any simple techniques to help myself, my body just reacts really badly. The reason I am writing this is not to put people off, but I would like to find out if anyone else has had any bad side effects from this therapy??
ninabaxter 6 months ago
@ninabaxter If you did this instead of a very necessary medical procedure, I'd say that's on you. This is a massage, but definitely not something you should do in place of surgery or any other major medical procedure. Go see a real doctor.
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@Xandra1076 This CST was recommended to me. There are a list of conditions cranial work can help with and mine is one of them. Unfortunately, my illness has no cure and I certainly don't need a medical procedure or surgery! Moreover, I have since found out a friend of a friend did cranial work after seeing a doctor who also couldn't help her and it had exactly the same effects. It took her 2 years to recover from what it did to her.
ninabaxter 6 months ago
@ninabaxter I still can't see what you're saying. At worst it's just a massage. Like Proctolion said, it's simply not possible to shift skull bones once they fuse, unless you're a person whose bones did not, in fact, properly fuse. What exactly did the therapist do that caused such severe problems?
Xandra1076 6 months ago
I have to say that this works,i´m a herniated guy ,for that reason my ciatic nerv its affetted for my rest of my life i have tried a lot of massage with phisioterapist ,so one day went to a ostheopat and doing this tecnic the results were incredible.Now i can spend a normal life.
landertronik 6 months ago
hello athenea
landertronik 6 months ago
Has anyone here with negative comments ever had this done? It's incredible, one of my favorite therapies, as it is so gentle yet effective, particularly after trauma from accidents. Don't knock it 'til you try it is all I'm saying.
BrendaLi1 7 months ago 3
@BrendaLi1 I've tried it. It seems very subtle and relaxing. But I'm surprised by the fact it affects so many things, if she's right.
AndersO1983 7 months ago
Massage is great. Most people would agree nothing lowers your blood pressure (at least temporarily) like a nice relaxing massage. I would love to be a massage therapist. That being said, it's not a cure for most anything. It might be a nice ancillary treatment for people with hectic, stressful lives, but saying you can cure anything by pushing your fingers into soft tissue is akin to some far out chiro's that think you can cure cancer with cracking joints.
fool1977 7 months ago
This lady is always talking out of her ass. She attempts to give you the impression that she knows more than she really does.
Not to mention, the descriptions in her massage videos are heavily exaggerated.
HypnoSwag 7 months ago
would this therapy help a person who has had a botched sagital split osteotomy that relocated their lower mandible at a cant and has had their sympathetic nervous system impaired now?
ragdollannie 8 months ago
Okay... so the little "we're not responsible for the fake medicine included in this video" thing is weird. If you don't support the fake medicine, then why promote the video? This woman is not a real "therapist" at all, just call her what she is, a massage therapist. There's no medicine here, she is not a doctor, and people like her SCAMMING people who believe they are conducting medicinal therapy should be fined and/or arrested for false promotions and claims with an intent to profit.
DeadlyChinchilla 8 months ago
I am not certified in Massage Therapy, but it does make me giggle when she says 5g of pressure. Anyone with a B.S. in math or chem knows 5g is a mass measurement. Pressure is not measured in grams, it is a force measured in newtons. I would be hesitant to allow anyone to apply any sort of "pressure" on my skull bones, fused or unfused. She clearly has no understanding of physics nor its terminology's.
I would love to have a WarOnARack with the girl in the green shirt!
spc1016 8 months ago 4
Factually, most of what Ms. Jezik asserts is simply not true. Skull bones are not mobile, they are fused, and CSF certainly doesn't move in the way she suggests. It is highly unreasonable to assume that 5g of pressure would have any effect on the numerous maladies she claims to be able to heal. Her "therapy" would have no demonstrable effect. I would also not regard her as harmless, since she is fraudulent, promoting falsehood and ignorance, and stealing monetary compensation from unwitting folk
803badmutha 8 months ago 4
@803badmutha The best part is when she said "unlike what you are taught in anatomy class...". You'd have to be pretty stupid to fall for it.
ivanlagrossemoule 8 months ago
This is the same chick that pops up for a split second in another massage video.
jksonny 8 months ago
STOP TALKING AND MASSAGE!!
YOU RUINED MY RELAXATION THROUGH WATCHING MASSAGING PROCESS!
jayasuriya101 8 months ago 2
i dont feel my skull moving at all
c1rcu1tn3rd 9 months ago
The green shirt girl has perky boobs...
Quickdraw1111 9 months ago
unscientific. Sorry Athena. I respect your expertise in massage knowledge but using the bone names to give a scientific picture to the talk was not agood choice. sp. hinge movement of Sphenoid bone!! come on. 1st year medical student would know these bones are interlocked. I totally agree with Gorillathehun
onzeman2007 9 months ago
@onzeman2007 That is exactly what I thought: the sphenoid and ethmoid bones do NOT move unless you have had some severe head trauma. Otherwise, as you said, they are firmly interlocked. This whole concept is bullshit and people believe it because she's wearing a white lab coat and "looks official."
ProctoLion 8 months ago 2
3. It is a massage and it helps to release pain and with other problems too. There is no scam in it. But hey, most of the people think that chiropractic is a scam, too.
My thing is science (physics) and western medicine, but still I am able to read her fucking information or at least wikipedia before posting stuff. It's not like she invented CST, and people don't go there again and again because they feel "scamed", but because it helps their pain.
meggaiwa 9 months ago 4
i would like to put my tube btween your legs
gmanmasonator 9 months ago in playlist Massage Therapy Video Psychetruth
@MsCrumplehorn Have you noticed that, despite numerous requests, she has not cited any legitimate references nor her credentials? Sure, it lists that she is "licensed" for things, but from where? Is it from a legitimate, scholarly institution or is it from some BS website that will license anyone for anything as long as you pay a fee?
ProctoLion 9 months ago 3
@ProctoLion 1. I dont really give a fuck about most of the discussion, just go the website and look what shes writing or look at the links here. I mean seriously....
2. Cranial Sacral Therapy is a kind of massage therapy practised by 1000s of people. It is doesn't do wonders and no, she is no medical doctor.
But seriously, it is a fucking massage. What do you expect, a PhD MD from Johns Hopkins?
meggaiwa 9 months ago 2
@meggaiwa If someone is going to be "shifting my CSF around" and "moving" my cranial bones," then yeah you bet your ass they'd better have a PhD MD and not some "certificate of completion" from God knows where.
ProctoLion 9 months ago 3
@ProctoLion Given that CST is not a regulated modality, there is no schooling that she can provide that will appease you. One can hope that she's chosen the best education available to her. No clue. I'm willing to bet though my my education and knowledge of the subject is more advanced than hers.
anseio 8 months ago
fuck you allmay you cocksuckers...
johnsmdm 9 months ago
Let me guess - your favourit series is "Bones"?
Terrorspawn10 9 months ago
Your video is very well done. I think you were quite adept in your approach. Thanks for sharing.
David in NYC
OneQuarkMore 9 months ago
I've had this treatment and so have a number of people I know and I thought I'd just say that cranio-sacral it is a legitimate form of therapy and gets results. It is amusing to see all the comments by all the little people who have been brainwashed by the US medical system and pharmaceutical companies... Don't bad mouth what you do not know!
NeanderthalStudios 10 months ago 2
While I'm sure this is beneficial, I'm very wary of any form of treatment that claims to be able to treat just about anything.
stooges666 10 months ago
@stooges666 Especially when her website has a "Donate with PayPal" button on it so that one can donate money to "help people benefit from advanced alternate therapies." I am assuming that this means "donate money to line my pockets so that I can continue to push this scam."
ProctoLion 9 months ago 2
this video is a lot better if you mute it and skip the parts with her silly painted skull
georgeofthajungle 10 months ago
If i'd get one dollar every time she says ''bone'', i would be a rich man lol ^^
RoTy4life 10 months ago
@MsCrumplehorn It IS bullshit. I'm a nurse and I can tell you that it takes over a ton of force to reduce the diameter of the human skull 1cm. If there is increased intracranial pressure, the brain herniates through the foramen magnum, causing a life-threatening emergency. The skull is highly unyeilding for a REASON: to protect the brain tissue. Additionally, there is a blood-brain barrier which prevents CSF from leaking out of its proper compartments. If it leaks out, seek immediate help!
ProctoLion 10 months ago 46
Seriously, who is not a nurse these days? lol
Try this technique before you knock it, go and have a session, feel it, do not observe and read about it, but FEEL it, feel the energy, the lifting of problems through simple touch.
You traditionalists are so far behind, you passed over the truth when you took your Hippocratic oath in complete ignorance. This is the future, energy, nutrition, alkalizing, positivity, being happy, letting go, staying positive, now that is real medicine.
ttown1851 10 months ago
@ttown1851 Who is not a nurse? The 1/3 of my classmates who have washed out of our program and didn't graduate with us. And I'll politely decline your offer. I have no desire to FEEL my cranial bones pushed out of alignment to the point that my CSF is moving out of its proper compartment. I believe in chiro, but this is something totally different as well as medically questionable.
ProctoLion 10 months ago
@ProctoLion
Over a ton of force....? That's bull lady. If a water buffalo stood on your head it would crush you skull like nothing. A big horse is only like 800 pounds, but if he stood on one leg on your head I bet it would crush.
ploxioths 7 months ago
@ploxioths Maybe I should clarify: I'm talking about overall, circumferential force, not force applied to one specific spot. You can see this result using an egg: hold the egg in your hand so that there is not force on any one particular spot and try to break it by squeezing it uniformly all around. You cannot do it! But, of course, if you press into the egg with a couple of fingertips, the egg will crack.
ProctoLion 7 months ago
@ProctoLion
Oh I get ya. Sorry misinterpreted what you meant.
ploxioths 7 months ago
@ploxioths No problem--and yes, if a large animal were to stand on one's head, it would indeed crush it, LOL! :-D
ProctoLion 7 months ago
@ProctoLion "It IS bullshit."
oh stop being a party pooper, let the lady have her fun
dumbtardface 6 months ago
@ProctoLion You can claim is BS all you want to, I highly suggest you go seek out a certified cranial-sacral therapist and test the theory yourself before you go casting accusations. Just because you are not educated on a subject that fails to validate any OPINION you have on the subject. You deal w/ modern medicine that pollutes the ORGANIC body we have. Try coming over to the light side of natural techniques that have been around longer than you have been a nurse or educate yourself at least.
kneadsbyjoanna 4 months ago
@kneadsbyjoanna Oh god... It's absolute bullshit. But there's a placebo effect behind it. It can be explained but most people are ignorant to the explanations, and the scientific work behind them.
Same goes for natural medicine, it only works in a limited number of cases, while modern medicine works in alot more cases, in alot of different manners.
But this isn't natural medicine, it's a massage disguised as medicine.
ivanlagrossemoule 2 months ago
@ivanlagrossemoule modern western "medicine" has the same placebo affect as well as natural or "alternative medicine", medicines that don't effect or cure the cause of dis-ease in the body. just treating symptoms, are only toxic and ineffective in the long term use. they also have side effects which can be even more troublesome than the initial symptoms. before you ride a bandwagon, do more research on which you speak. someone less informed or less educated might accidentally believe you
nialicious77 1 month ago
@nialicious77 When you pay for painkillers, you get what you pay for. Of course it only treats the symptoms and you end up with side effects, but no one's lying about it.
You can even buy placebos actually. But that's irrelevant to the problem. Alternative medicine is mostly based on bullshit and the placebo effect. Try taking care of an infection without antibiotics, using a little massage and some herbs... Or maybe acupuncture.
ivanlagrossemoule 1 month ago
@ProctoLion This "NURSE" is wrong, not on the comment of reducing the human skull, but in the fact that the nurse claims "If there is increased intracranial pressure, the brain herniates through the foramen magnum, causing a life-threatening emergency. "
Nope sweetie, I and many in my circle have IIH-increased intracranial pressure/hypertension, and brain herniation thats called Arnold Chiari Malformation. NOT life threating emergencies. I have them both and am not going to die!
maryjefferies1973 2 months ago 2
@maryjefferies1973 Your condition is what we in the medical profession call "chronic." When a condition is congenital or chronic, as is yours, the body sometimes compensates for the malformation. A life-threatening emergency is when the brain suddenly, or "acutely" herniates downwards through the formamen magnum. I saw this personally last month when my niece died from brain swelling after being hit by a car while she was crossing the street. BIG difference.
ProctoLion 2 months ago 2
@maryjefferies1973 I too suffer from Chiari Malformation and have had the decompression surgery. I was told NOT to have this therapy that it could be very dangerous, with having the durapatch etc...I will admit this therapy is interesting but I wouldn't take the chance of anyone touching my head since being decompressed.... But if it works for you then great!
jdelgado4169 3 weeks ago
She isn't talking about a 1cm change in the scull. The movement is very subtle, maybe only 1mm. I think she is referring to better protection with increased buoyancy and pliability. Of course she is not saying a condition where CSF leaking out of the compartment is treated with this because that would be a condition treated by a doctor. Craniosacral is for chronic and non life threatening conditions where the client may not be interested in drugs or surgery.
positivebodycare 2 months ago
@ProctoLion As a TBI survivor and the son of a N.P. I can attest that Cranial Sacral therapy is a life saver and life changer. It worked wonders I was able to walk better move better and and function better.
stevewrecks 1 month ago
she's the subliminal witch from the other video!
ih8mcfly 10 months ago
i bet he's real "slippery at the top."
RAWKINTHEFRAGGLE 11 months ago
Getting my back adjusted at the chiropractor is one thing, but keep your hands off my cranium. =S
lilblondehooker 11 months ago
anyone know what song/band that is in the UMaine ad?
MasdevalliaMusic 1 year ago
So if it's the most important part of the process, and the part that had the most significant effect on the patient, why wasn't it demonstrated? I for one would have liked to see how you torque a joint in the core of the skull, from the outside, with your fingers.
Jikkuryuu 1 year ago 2
@Jikkuryuu LOL, exactly my point!!!!
ProctoLion 9 months ago
these people need to go open up a cadaver and peel off the scalp and then see if they can move or separate the skull bones from each-other with their bare hands. You'd have to be andre the giant to do that.
teenybeanz 1 year ago 2
@teenybeanz By the time someone would go to a cadaver and do that the bones are much harder so your point is irrelevant despite the controversy surrounding cranio-sacral therapy.
VisionsofSprode 11 months ago
@VisionsofSprode It doesn't change the fact that the pieces of bone have visibly FUSED together! This isn't about controversy this is about reality. And what phenomenon are you referring to where the bones would harden? Not rigor-mortis because that is just muscles tightening and has nothing to do with the skeletal structure and resolves itself in around 36 hours.
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@VisionsofSprode It doesn't change the fact that the pieces of bone have visibly FUSED together! This isn't about controversy this is about reality. And what phenomenon are you referring to where the bones would harden? Not rigor-mortis because that is just muscles tightening and has nothing to do with the skeletal structure and resolves itself in around 36 hours.
teenybeanz 11 months ago
There is no fluid, there is mo expansion, there is no bones that tilt. Stop selling massage in a dishonest way. Sell it as something that makes you feel good.
699backstab 1 year ago
While in massage school I took craniosacral therapy. I am a logical person and not easily convinced of anything and at first I did not believe it actually worked or was true and then I did a private session with the teacher and wow!... I really could feel the fluid move from left to right. In time I could feel when the energy was stuck and I learned how to manipulate it back into flow/rhythem. My teacher was an early student of Upledger in California. PJ Hair. I should do more Cranio work
VitalityMassage 1 year ago
@VitalityMassage Energy doesn't get stuck. It would diffuse in a situation like that. Otherwise, it flows, conserves, and sometimes becomes matter.
drhoobad 1 year ago
@VitalityMassage "I'm normally a logical person, but for this I felt something profoound therefore will not use my logic.
But I'm still normally a logical person, therefore more able to decide this!"
molewizard 1 year ago
I get a lot from just SLOWLY doing horizontal figure eights with my chin - starting in small circles progressing into bigger circles then smaller to a stop!
username4Y 1 year ago
As a REIKI practitioner, I do believe in this practice,altough REIKI focuses on the concept that the energy is what flows through the seven chakras that have to be aligned (an in coincidence whit the spine). The hands postures - at least for what the video shows - are exact the same as REIKI applies.
Jorge5419 1 year ago
As a REIKI practitioner, I do believe in this practice,altough REIKI focuses on the concept that the energy is what flows through the seven chakras that have to be aligned (an in coincidence whit the spine). The hands postures - at least for what the video shows - are exact the same as REIKI applies.
Jorge5419 1 year ago
i think she needed to say 500 times bone within 14 minutes no matter how and i think she did it!
RoTy4life 1 year ago
the girl in green has some nice tits :)
RoTy4life 1 year ago
@RoTy4life Yeah, but eeeeeew! Lip piercings!
drhoobad 1 year ago
I like how simply wearing a lab coat automatically instills +3D6 Intelligence to most people, haha, this lady is a quack! One could only wish that a massage can correct spinal fluid leaking out of your skull.
Felipe917 1 year ago 5
i had no idea the skull was mobile
walkertexasranger33 1 year ago
@walkertexasranger33
That's because it's not.
SkepticalAaron 1 year ago
@SkepticalAaron it shows it does, it is divided into sections and they slowly open small gaps to excrete liquids.
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QuenTinIana 1 year ago
CSF circulates in the subarachnoid space, it does not have to through any membrane. CST shouldn't be judged by false ideas of one practitioner.
Amerigo73 1 year ago
I am a survivor of massive head trauma, going through pain that most people cannot possibly imagine. You people that have never been through something like that can take a hike, and have NO clue what the rest of us have been through. HEY DOCTORS, I was air lifted to Barrow neurological's ICU and have seen MANY (like 10+) neurologists and a neurosurgeon for my pain- guess what that got me? NOTHING. JUST PRESCRIPTIONS. Alternative medicine like this is all we have left.
NoLabelApparel 1 year ago
is that her real voice?
renxoh 1 year ago
youtube.com/watch?v=ZkdGhzjIYLA
balmone 1 year ago
Dude i betcha this lady gets real high everyday, great video :D
ComMANdeRSouR 1 year ago
i like the way she explains everything. so informative and interesting
punkrockprinjess 1 year ago
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@punkrockprinjess complete bullshit though.
like the highest rated comment says:
And, if you've got CSF coming, "up through the membrane," you need emergency surgery, not a massage.
take everything you watch on youtube with a grain of salt
Epikaiigh 1 year ago
I'm just starting as a massage therapist student and I came across this video. It was very easy to understand especially with a demonstration.
I do have some opinions, though. I can't believe whether to go with this theory or believe the information that anatomists gathered from (dead) cadavers. So the only way to really judge it, is to experience it. I believe the "lack of evidence" whether this therapy is affective or not should be clear, then.
chidorigowoof 1 year ago
@chidorigowoof im a mt student 2 and im about 2 graduate hehehe all i can say is try it i did and woww it felt great
emoskater963 1 year ago
@chidorigowoof Scientific theory. Review by peers. Read about it.
Mesterse 1 year ago
is there a set limit of time like 5 minutes per each bone set or is it at the clients pace?
witchee1014 1 year ago
I wish Athena would make more videos. I really like her massage videos.
quadturbo4 1 year ago
the girl is cute!
Extreme1567 1 year ago
very neat video... client is a cutie
JimB667 1 year ago
very nice videos, regards
foxus666 1 year ago
work it out...i got you after 1:18 ;D
greenwoodonearth 1 year ago
Very interesting video. I've had incredible results from cranio, including an almost immediate improvement in my vision issues (just got glasses, now don't need them) and incredible improvement in my nighttime vision! Three sessions so far--that's it!
sin19678 1 year ago
Does a facepalm count as Cranial Sacrum Therapy? If so, your video has caused me to involuntarily perform an unnecessary medical procedure on myself, and I demand compensation!
c6gunner 1 year ago 45
@c6gunner I too suffered an involuntary facepalm while viewing the video. I wonder how many others are experiencing IvFp syndrome, induced by this vidoe?
YakmanFilms 10 months ago
If you want real cranial sacral work. Go see an osteopath.
cdawng 2 years ago
@cdawng I've seen some pretty lame osteos. I'd rather see a skilled rmt than a crappy od that got 100% at school, and if you don't know what I'm talking about, then you're probably one of them.
donadthegonad 1 year ago
@donadthegonad lol. Seems like someone got offended. I'm sorry, but if you want real craniosacral therapy go see and osteopath, since the technique was developed by an osteopath. The osteopath's that you saw were probably former RMT's that tryed to be something greater but failed. Sorry bud, Craniosacral therapy was developed for an osteopath, so it only makes sense to see a well skilled osteopath for craniosacral therapy. Enough said. lol
cdawng 1 year ago
@cdawng lol. Not offended at all. lol. You're the one that was offended. lol. You were offended by my suggestion that not all osteopaths are "well skilled" as you put it. lol. There are more and more reductionist osteopaths out there these days. lol. So all I was suggesting was that a person "well skilled" at craniosacral need not be an osteopath. lol. "Greater". lol. You ARE one of them. lol.
donadthegonad 1 year ago
@donadthegonad well if you were not offended then why did you reply to my post in the first place? It is not like I was addressing you. Sorry, someone seeking craniosacral therapy should see a well trained osteopath rather then an RMT .
cdawng 1 year ago
@cdawng I replied to your post because you arrogantly dismissed anyone who is not an osteopath as being unable to provide "real" craniosacral therapy. In my experience as a former professional athlete and recipient of hundreds of hours of manual therapy, your assertion is patently untrue and misleading to people using this site as a resource to inform themselves. Oh, and if anyone in the U.S.A. reading this wants to see a "well trained" osteopath you have to go to Europe or Canada, sorry.
donadthegonad 1 year ago
Saphire,the cranial bones, eg, temporal, occipital, frontal etc are NOT fused. They are divided by fascia and aid in secondary respiration (the movement of spinal fluid from the brain stem, throught the spinal cord to the sacrum and back up to the brain.) When she says "contrary to what has been taught in anatomy classes" she is referring to old thought and method.Cranial sacral work has the potential to change someones life and can eliminate chronic pain altogether.
careberr19 2 years ago
thanks, great video and Amy is sexy!
COCEDOLO 2 years ago
i have one side of my skull slightly lower than the other , could this fix it ??
cjfrfc 2 years ago
I have had depression and chronic headaches for years and years and cranial sacral therapy was the thing that had the greatest healing effect on me. I believe 100 % in it.
kishkasay 2 years ago 2
Cranial Sacrum Therapy is really helping me, to manage my chronic headaches. I have been suffering with headache for last 17 years. I dont get relief with pain killers also, when headaches shoots up and stay there for days. It is very helpless & frustrating with no proper option. Now i go to CST in this situation and i get reliefs and relief continues for few days to a week. When my doctor is not avaliable, i have problem in getting same level of reliefs from other doctors of same batch.
sun8874 2 years ago 2
This WORKS. Don't listen to doctors who do not have an open mind to this. I am a miracle story. Give this a try if you are suffering after head injuries.
TidePools 2 years ago
Anatomists have learned about the human body by mostly studying cadavers. In a living person there IS mobility between the cranial bones. With a sensitive touch, you can feel this movement.
BrennaHunziker 2 years ago 2
i agree with Gorillathehun ... this is a load of crap. i mean YES its relaxing and enjoyable...as is any massage... however most of her facts are all wrong. she even said at the beginning.. "contrary to what is taught in anatomy classes" ...well if you arent a professional and you dont have the training in what you're talking about.. dont teach it. i'm sure she knows a lot about massage therapy.. but there are scientific facts contradicting what she says.
saphirephoenix4 2 years ago 2
tell that to the guys who one the X prize...they didn't need a huge rocket to get into space sir!
johnsmdm 2 years ago
I have news for you. I suffered a head injury. I was stuttering, my vision worsened - as well as had night vision issues, and had major headaches & TMJ. Two years of pleading with western medicine doctors provided me zero relief. They just wanted to treat me with medications. ONE treatment with a chiropractor who practiced cranial Sacral therapy CORRECTED my vision instantly, the night vision issue disappeared, the TMJ corrected and headache dissipated. You can call it crap if you want.
TidePools 2 years ago 2
OMG, What a bunch of crap. She is a massage therapist? not a doctor!!
janetkrig 2 years ago 2
So what..That does not mean she does not have the same knowledge as a doctor just because she does not have a piece of paper that sez she is a doctor.A fucking piece of paper means shit.Its what you know.WAKE UP IDIOTS.
koolbossjock 2 years ago
It's not about what the piece of paper says; it's about what it takes to earn one. And, if you've got CSF coming, "up through the membrane," you need emergency surgery, not a massage.
Gorillathehun 2 years ago 50
You may wish to take a course in anatomy. Of course people would go to the appropriate medical practitioner for surgery, although if you have no understanding of what the licensing is about, you have misunderstood all the things holistic medicine has to offer and are caught in the trap of western medicine.
PanamaJez 2 years ago
@Gorillathehun Everything you say is true. And thinking that the CSFluid comes up thru the membrane, is really scarey. Head for your nearest ER.
ElaineRuth 1 year ago
@Gorillathehun As a nursing student who just completed my neuro clinicals, I totally agree!!!! With the blood-brain barrier, the only way that CSF fluid "comes out" is through a traumatic accident to the dura mater or the spinal region.
EABeaudry 1 year ago 5
this woman didnt attend university for 8 years to be a massage therapist
JoshC091 2 years ago
Who said anything about her being a doctor? She isn't pretending anything she has had specialized training in the hands on modalities. people who have this training are valuable.
PanamaJez 2 years ago
Alternative therapies practiced by responsible,sensible & of course well prepared therapist can be a great difference in the quality of life & wellbeing of people.
judyki 2 years ago 2
My pituitary fills my skull cavity. My brain is on the outside
wreckerpecker 2 years ago
Eat more broccoli.
abyssquick 2 years ago
And stay away from diet cokes.
koolbossjock 2 years ago
I have multiple sclerosis and I just start going to a cranio sacral doctor in my area. I have had two session with the doctor and I have already seen and felt the difference in my body. I had two relapses that took away my ability to move the left side of my body and, after lots of rehab, I felt that I could try this therapy too to see if it could help my body heal from all the damage that medicines and the relapses themselves caused me...
I will try everything to get better!
angelusa73 2 years ago 5
@angelusa73
try living foods diet. You can also do a search on You tube for ms and raw foods. I remember coming across someone who got to the point where they are symptom free. It's worth a shot.
angelbe88 1 year ago
@angelbe88 Thank you for mentioning this diet. I do eat lots of raw foods but I am not following a specific diet at the moment. I love vegetables, fruits and nuts and I enjoy eating them every day!
Thank you so much for caring! it is worth a shot, I agree with you!
Hugs,
Angela
angelusa73 1 year ago
@angelusa73 Good Luck and I hope you find whatever helps you the most.
2345wdburyln 1 year ago
@angelusa73 I have MS too and I am going to