@madorao: You can imagine what Forlan and Aguero would do in a team like Barca right? messi would be soon forgotten, just like he was in the worldcup.
@VampyricalCurse Dude, Messi's ball control and dribbling are better than any other player in the world. Forlan and Aguero wouldn't score 100 goals in 2 seasons. The only player that come close to Messi when it comes to dribbling is Robben.
Ronaldo might be considerd to be better alround by some people but Messi is still a better player.
Forlan? No way. Briljant player, but not as good as Messi different type of player aswell. Aguero? Haha, no. Just not as good. How can you not see that?
@VampyricalCurse Messi played a shitty WC, so did whole of Argentina (thx to Maradona who is the worst coach ever). Rooney, Torres, Drogba etc. All of them played a shitty WC. It was the worst WC in decades, in terms of the level of football.
Of course Xavi and Iniesta supply him well at Barca. But it would be foolish not to see that he is by far the best player in the world. Check his goal against Getafe for example.
@eetjaarem: I don't really like talking about this cos it becomes an endless debate. But, in short, the idea of a best player in the world, is preposterous. No man can be "the best" out of ALL players. Messi in *MY* opinion messi would be the best midfielder, no doubt, his body type is perfect for it, I don't like him as a forward, he can't defend for his life, and strikers there are quite a bit that are better than him.
@eetjaarem: Also, cos of his ball control and speed, messi can break through a less than average defense by himself. The last display of this, was against the US, which has a sorry defense, and so, messi did a lot of damage to it. Now look at the game against Germany, a whole different story. Also, it is not all maradona's fault, argentina might be a good team, but it's overrated.
@VampyricalCurse Yes but he scored a great goal against Brazil recently aswell. So not only average defenses.
Tactically, Argentina was a mess during that game. And I don't understand why Maradona left Cabiasso and Zanetti out...
Their goalie and defense in not the best, but they sure got some great players, on the bench aswell.
Nevertheless, Messi did give a couple of assists during the WC. And he really is unstoppable this season. He's just 23! The only thing he still needs is strength
@eetjaarem: Let's be honest. RM's defense might be not great, but they are good. If you are talking about the same goal I am, then, that was horrible defending, I mean, these guys just practically watched him run to the goal. In short, they behaved like a grade F defense.
@VampyricalCurse Still Messi almost equals Maradona. Some people (I'm talking players, coaches etc) even say he is better. Including Ronald Koeman for example. He is by far the best player in the world atm.
Those things I put "yes" next to, is the things he excels at. I do consider messi better than maradona, as I consider any other top players better than maradona too. Why? Cos maradona was a junky drug addict, and someone who does that to play soccer, hardly deserves any recognition as a sportsman, he cheated everybody, including the fans.
What determines being the best player ever? Winning the bloody WC or your abilities? Messi already does alot for Argentina, he scores alot of goals there aswell. But the other Argentine players (defense!) isn't good enough. Plus they had a world's worst coach during the WC. Every single week Messi scores at Barca. Every single week he shows his amazing qualities. I don't get he's got Xavi and Iniesta around him. He is still the best player ever.
@ocen89 Cruyff didn't win anything for his country either. So what? What did Eto'o win? Bergkamp? CR? They were still all brilliant players nevertheless.
@eetjaarem yeah ok but he doesn't equal maradona. Mardona did everything himself he had no talented players around him like messi does. Messi has Fabergas, iniesta, xavi. I still want messi to perfom for argentina like he does for barcelona, argentina should be winning the WC every time witt their squad, just like england but england's situation is worse and it better be resolved soon( not from england)
Spain and Germany have far better squads atm. Holland aswell ( at least better than England ).
Don't forget that Messi is only 24 years old. I think ability wise he more than equals Maradona. And don't forget the way Maradona won the WC (handball). Messi is also more intelligent and football today is of a much higher level than back in the 80's. The number of games increased aswell.
@eetjaarem Thats all true, but messi hasn't the leadership maradona had . And also, messi has been incapable to score in south america in his selection, as he scores in europe. Maradona could win games by himself, and messi almost start to cry in the field. Messi needs Barcelona behind him, and the argentinian press to be the best, maradona simply scored in every team he played, with a very strong personality. Messi, at least in South america is just one more player, thats all.
@alvstel Not true. Messi does score for Argentina and also gives assists. He isn't as good as Maradona was for Argentina, but people tend to forget the fact that Maradona was one of the very few who was top fit at the 86 WC.
Argentina just has pretty avarage midfielders. They need players to provide him, not even of Xavi's level. Of course it's easier with Xavi and Iniesta (though Messi scored a CL hattrick whithout them ;)
And don't forget that Maradona was injured right before the WC. He played very few games that season, and was able to be top fit at the WC when other players weren't. ;)
QUE GRANDE MI ATLETI
mecagoentusmuertos27 7 months ago
wat did that goal do to liverpool?
theprodigyjapacan 7 months ago
if only atletico had center midfield players like xavi, gerrard, pirlo.
madorao 1 year ago
@madorao: You can imagine what Forlan and Aguero would do in a team like Barca right? messi would be soon forgotten, just like he was in the worldcup.
VampyricalCurse 1 year ago
@VampyricalCurse true but messi is the best.
madorao 1 year ago
@madorao: In yer opinion, I'm sure he is.
VampyricalCurse 1 year ago
@VampyricalCurse only an idiot would say he isn't.
eetjaarem 10 months ago
@eetjaarem: Don't even make me go there.
VampyricalCurse 10 months ago
@VampyricalCurse Dude, Messi's ball control and dribbling are better than any other player in the world. Forlan and Aguero wouldn't score 100 goals in 2 seasons. The only player that come close to Messi when it comes to dribbling is Robben.
Ronaldo might be considerd to be better alround by some people but Messi is still a better player.
Forlan? No way. Briljant player, but not as good as Messi different type of player aswell. Aguero? Haha, no. Just not as good. How can you not see that?
eetjaarem 10 months ago
@VampyricalCurse Messi played a shitty WC, so did whole of Argentina (thx to Maradona who is the worst coach ever). Rooney, Torres, Drogba etc. All of them played a shitty WC. It was the worst WC in decades, in terms of the level of football.
Of course Xavi and Iniesta supply him well at Barca. But it would be foolish not to see that he is by far the best player in the world. Check his goal against Getafe for example.
eetjaarem 10 months ago
@eetjaarem: I don't really like talking about this cos it becomes an endless debate. But, in short, the idea of a best player in the world, is preposterous. No man can be "the best" out of ALL players. Messi in *MY* opinion messi would be the best midfielder, no doubt, his body type is perfect for it, I don't like him as a forward, he can't defend for his life, and strikers there are quite a bit that are better than him.
VampyricalCurse 10 months ago
@eetjaarem: Also, cos of his ball control and speed, messi can break through a less than average defense by himself. The last display of this, was against the US, which has a sorry defense, and so, messi did a lot of damage to it. Now look at the game against Germany, a whole different story. Also, it is not all maradona's fault, argentina might be a good team, but it's overrated.
VampyricalCurse 10 months ago
@VampyricalCurse Yes but he scored a great goal against Brazil recently aswell. So not only average defenses.
Tactically, Argentina was a mess during that game. And I don't understand why Maradona left Cabiasso and Zanetti out...
Their goalie and defense in not the best, but they sure got some great players, on the bench aswell.
Nevertheless, Messi did give a couple of assists during the WC. And he really is unstoppable this season. He's just 23! The only thing he still needs is strength
eetjaarem 10 months ago
@VampyricalCurse
He destroyed Madrid's average defense recently ;)
eetjaarem 10 months ago
@eetjaarem: Let's be honest. RM's defense might be not great, but they are good. If you are talking about the same goal I am, then, that was horrible defending, I mean, these guys just practically watched him run to the goal. In short, they behaved like a grade F defense.
VampyricalCurse 9 months ago
@VampyricalCurse Still Messi almost equals Maradona. Some people (I'm talking players, coaches etc) even say he is better. Including Ronald Koeman for example. He is by far the best player in the world atm.
Why?
Balance, Composure, Control, Dribbling, Generosity, Passing, Power, Speed, Awareness, Strenght, Finishing etc.
eetjaarem 9 months ago
@eetjaarem: Balance(yes), Composure, Control(yes), Dribbling(yes), Generosity, Passing, Power, Speed(yes), Awareness, Strength, Finishing etc.
Those things I put "yes" next to, is the things he excels at. I do consider messi better than maradona, as I consider any other top players better than maradona too. Why? Cos maradona was a junky drug addict, and someone who does that to play soccer, hardly deserves any recognition as a sportsman, he cheated everybody, including the fans.
VampyricalCurse 9 months ago
@VampyricalCurse i agree with you. i love forlan, messi, barcelona and arsenal (arsenal first)
brailaaaaa 8 months ago
@VampyricalCurse i agree with you. i love forlan, messi, barcelona and arsenal (arsenal first)
brailaaaaa 8 months ago
@brailaaaaa Why do you love men? Is that not a bit gay?
MattTheOak 7 months ago
@MattTheOak i love their football skill. ok, retard?!
brailaaaaa 7 months ago
@brailaaaaa its a liiiiiittle bit gay to list a load of men that you 'love'
MattTheOak 7 months ago
@eetjaarem for his country he doesn't do crap. until he wins the WC yes. his still the best player in the world ATM but never not yet
ocen89 4 months ago
@ocen89
I'm getting tired of this.
What determines being the best player ever? Winning the bloody WC or your abilities? Messi already does alot for Argentina, he scores alot of goals there aswell. But the other Argentine players (defense!) isn't good enough. Plus they had a world's worst coach during the WC. Every single week Messi scores at Barca. Every single week he shows his amazing qualities. I don't get he's got Xavi and Iniesta around him. He is still the best player ever.
eetjaarem 4 months ago
@ocen89 Cruyff didn't win anything for his country either. So what? What did Eto'o win? Bergkamp? CR? They were still all brilliant players nevertheless.
eetjaarem 4 months ago
@eetjaarem yeah ok but he doesn't equal maradona. Mardona did everything himself he had no talented players around him like messi does. Messi has Fabergas, iniesta, xavi. I still want messi to perfom for argentina like he does for barcelona, argentina should be winning the WC every time witt their squad, just like england but england's situation is worse and it better be resolved soon( not from england)
ocen89 4 months ago
@ocen89
Spain and Germany have far better squads atm. Holland aswell ( at least better than England ).
Don't forget that Messi is only 24 years old. I think ability wise he more than equals Maradona. And don't forget the way Maradona won the WC (handball). Messi is also more intelligent and football today is of a much higher level than back in the 80's. The number of games increased aswell.
eetjaarem 4 months ago
@eetjaarem Thats all true, but messi hasn't the leadership maradona had . And also, messi has been incapable to score in south america in his selection, as he scores in europe. Maradona could win games by himself, and messi almost start to cry in the field. Messi needs Barcelona behind him, and the argentinian press to be the best, maradona simply scored in every team he played, with a very strong personality. Messi, at least in South america is just one more player, thats all.
alvstel 3 months ago
@alvstel Not true. Messi does score for Argentina and also gives assists. He isn't as good as Maradona was for Argentina, but people tend to forget the fact that Maradona was one of the very few who was top fit at the 86 WC.
Argentina just has pretty avarage midfielders. They need players to provide him, not even of Xavi's level. Of course it's easier with Xavi and Iniesta (though Messi scored a CL hattrick whithout them ;)
Messi is only 24, he still got a decade.
eetjaarem 3 months ago
@ocen89
And don't forget that Maradona was injured right before the WC. He played very few games that season, and was able to be top fit at the WC when other players weren't. ;)
eetjaarem 4 months ago
liverpools star couldn't even get on the field during the WC. overrated
hameed 1 year ago
que grande diego, la vas a romper en el mundial
matsircm 1 year ago
@matsircm
Que razón tenías!!!
ExpresoMaloIiente 1 year ago
@ExpresoMaloIiente por suerte si, ajaj, que grande el diego, el balon de oro
matsircm 1 year ago
@matsircm
La única estrella que brilló en Sudáfrica, mas que merecido!!!
ORGULLOSO DE SER URUGUAYO COMO EL DIEGOL FORLAN!!!
P.S. Che, después pasame los numeros del gordo de fin de año!!! Te tengo mas fé a vos que al pulpo sotreta ese!!!
ExpresoMaloIiente 1 year ago 2
Que impresionante Dieguito, un monstruo.
alvaroperezuruguay 1 year ago
Que grande diego la va a romper en el mundial
xDNachoxD 1 year ago