Limpty! I was at that show too. It was pretty sad but beautiful at the same time. He was having problems with a hand injury at the time, which was partly why he kept aborting songs (he also seemed a bit inebriated). The crowd loved it, though. I remember the one guy who heckled him ("get a band!") was roundly shouted down. Elliot was one of the greatest songwriters of our time. I'm sorry the bouncer took your camera. I'd love to see the rest of the show again!
I was at this show - at the Showbox. It WAS a train wreck, but not because the crowd was yelling for old stuff - he was obviously wasted and just wasn't able to complete most of his songs. That's why people were yelling - they were getting frustrated. I would have thought the ES crowd would be more understanding, but most there were probably newer fans. It was sad to watch cause it was the third or fourth show of his that I had been to, so I knew how good he COULD be...this was a disaster.
This is so cool. I can't find another live version of this. I really like watching his hands move as he sifts through all of those monster chord changes with what looks like the greatest of ease. You were really lucky to see him live. I didn't get turned on to him until it was too late. Yet, it seems like there's a lot of videos of him on ytube, so that's pretty cool.
I think it's cool that Tankian is such an influence on you. Seems out of place with the rest you mentioned (though I have bigger issues with Buckley), but it's very charming. :)
Do you know of any more footage from this gig? I know your camera was taken but do you know of any more? I like the trainwreck shit. It makes me feel better about when I screw up a song.
i read about these performances on youtube, where he totally embarasses himself and is a complete wreck. however, he did make a comeback with his last albums and as one critic said, they were ''shocked'' to find out he was even still writing music, including the 20 or so songs never released or even on New Moon
@charlesobama I collected nearly every live show from those lost years of 2000-2001, & yes in some shows he aborts almost half the songs. He was a real mess back then, but he did eventually seek out help & cleaned himself up. Note:Fuck "They"- he has at least 50-60 songs he either cut, or gave out to close friends as personal gifts.-"they" are the lyrical basis for "King's Crossing," "Angeles" $ many others. I do have the most remarkable llive show from march 2003 where he didnt miss 1 note
I love this song, but he screwed it up big time here, 1:50. He seems nervous or something. He's disappointed with the vocals in the monitors too, 2:00.
Limpity - what was the date of the show? I never saw Elliott's hair so long in any other clips I have seen! And thanks for posting - it keeps his memory alive for so many of us...
I don't think Elliott would be comfortable on a throne, don't you see how uncomfortable he is with big audiences? If the apparatus around him hadn't been so damn greedy and demanding maybe we could still enjoy him on a small stage...
I don't think Elliott would be comfortable on a throne, don't you see how uncomfortable he was with big audiences? If the apparatus around him hadn't been so damn greedy and demanding maybe we could still enjoy him on a small stage...
@bradennn1 Okay, I did give you a "thumbs up" b/c of the fact thAT it's elliott, this song is beyond words 2 describe, &. metaphorically, He earned that throne as such a beautiful soul. BUT...if Elliott were ever asked to weight in on the matter, my strong intuition is that he'd choose either a plain stool or a chair in the back of a bar. He was never a king, a diva, or anything else but a plain flawed man. my guess is that if U said it to him, he'd just respond with his his usual "thanks..."
if im not mistaken, this seems to be right before he died correct? if so, you guys can all tell it really was his time to go. he looks so miserable. and he found his place to get lost <3 :)
@babydollxhxc No, this was a couple years before. He was frustrated because he couldn't hear himself sing, but it was weird because he decided to wait until after the song was pretty much through to get frustrated and tell them to turn it up. He went to rehab, got clean, and most assumed he was finally better right before he died... He was working on an album, so he didn't have MUCH time to really play many lives directly before his death. They say, though, that his last concert was a great one.
At the end he's telling the mixing board operator to turn up the monitors because he can't hear his own voice. That's a very common complaint. It's not unusual for vocalists to get upset at the end of a song when they couldn't hear themselves singing.
Very interesting, you said, what I wanted to say, but was'nt going to. If that makes sense. Its very frustrating for the musician. Ive seen enough live shows to know this is true.
I wonder how often he capoed that high up the neck? His stuff often has a very chimy sound that I guess could be from using capos in that way, but this is the first video where I've seen it.
yeah, he just wanted to hear himself through the p.a. in front of him..very hard to sing live when you can't hear yourself...prolly why he cut it short
the most powerful drug is of the mind and sometimes you can delve too deep into the mind to ever be a free soul. sometimes you need to delve deeper to be a free soul. the line i fine like the line is fine from mediocre to genius. long live those who do not settle for mediocrity
I read and after speaking with Rob Schnapf \, one of his close producers, that his drug of choice was actually alcohol. That of course, is not to say he didn't indulge in other drugs or means of escape as his greatest escape ended up in his death. Just out of curiosity, was this conert in 2001 or 2002 by any chance? Anyone know?
@Strauhn his drug of choice was alcohol when rob knew him. around the same time he started getting into heroin and crack (mid to late 2000), he cut off ties with rob and pretty much everyone else he knew from the "old days."
omg...I'm sorry, I didn't know that. But how does that explain his autopsy? Again, I don't know if this true, but I read in an article about him that he was completely clean of any drug whatsoever in his body.
Yeah he managed to beat everything (including even alcohol and red meat) before he died. the last year of his life was very inspiring and by all accounts, productive and happy. he spent a lot of time trying to reconnect with people he had lost touch with in the "dark years", unfortunately something went horribly wrong in the end.
What's even more interesting is that investigators at some point have now questioned how he died. They've figured out how the stab wound was place in his chest doesn't match up with one would stab themselves based on the angle and placement of the wound.....I thought that was interesting.
brilliant. genius. talented man. but he wasn't even a hardcore user of opiates. he liked to romanticize the junkie life and emphasize the darker aspects of it. but a chronic heroin user? nah. but definitely not a straight edge.
David McConell, the engineer and producer for Basement on the Hill was quoted in a Spin interview saying that. Now I do know how much that is, and I'm not saying it's 100% accurate, but he knew Elliott better than you and I did, so I'm m ore inclined to take his word over your assumption.
But like you said before, $1500 worth of crack and dope is A LOT, so how true that is? I don't know. I guess he tried to purposely OD a couple of time and stuff. Elliott was a tortured human being, but an amazing artist at the same time. Those 2 things tend to go hand in hand.
Alright, first and foremost, that's an extreme amount any way you look at it.
Now have -personally- ever known someone who has had an addiction where they've spent that much on a daily basis. I'm going to guess the answer to that is no without you answering. That would mean you heard it in a story *just like the one we are discussing here*. Good day sir.
wouldn't really matter if i told you yes now would it?
it is not so extreme if you have absurd amounts of money...the main premise of addiction is the inability to stop, the only way most people are forced to stop is cause theysa broke but this dude could keep going and i say good for him becuase heroin is good for the soul.
Alright, well now you're telling me how extreme a drug is depends on how much money you have, and saying some other random stuff that doesn't really have anything to do with the conversation.
I tell you what, you go ahead and do $1500 of heroin a day for a month and come back and tell us how good your soul is doing.
Should have known better than to get into a conversation on you-tube. My fault.
To anyone that thinks this is a screw up from drugs:
Elliott usually kept his vocals A LOT higher than his guitar for his shows, that's just how he liked it. Listen to the mix of this song, you can barely hear the vocals, the guitar is absolutely overpowering him.
He seemed pretty angry at the sound guy at the end too. Like "What the fuck? Do your job right."
you people argue over the dumbest shit man...he had his problems, ya know? everybody does...he couldn't take it anymore..so he ended it..he was a beautiful soul..and brilliant musician..don't let him die in vain...R.I.P
@stcnobody Thank you. Some asshole was going on about his girlfriend he loved calling her every name in the book. I guess that guy didn't understand love.
Look at any famous person throughout time, especially in music. Nearly everyone experienced times using drugs. Plenty of people still do today. Musicians and artists are not boring ass people like yourselves. Why do you think Elliott was able to write so many amazing songs that have affected so many people around the world. Even though, for a decent part of his adult life, he was on drugs he developed into an amazing musician.
you are right elliott smith was clean who ever this response is to they need to read under the radar.... it was elliott smiths last mag interview.... and elliott smith started a foundation for abused children with his spare money.
Woah what happened bigcherry99? couldn't conjure one of your witty responses to what I had to say? Couldn't think of another way to denounce Elliott Smith because of what I had said? You disappoint me. I was hoping you would actually prove to be a formidable opponent. But I guess you're just out to piss off people, not provide a decent argument. But thats fine. Seems to me you're living a low class junkie life posting bullshit comments on youtube. Haha you're worthless
i feel sorry for people that have to go on websites and leave derogatory comments about people they don't even know. pathetic, and very ignorant. i guess maybe big cherry has a magic crystal ball and can see all of us elliott fans huh?
LAME big cherry...LAME! elliott smith was a VERY talented man. very loved and very missed.
hey bigcherry99, just stop it. you don't know what you're talking about. Calling fans of elliott smith murderers is pretty low. even for a youtube troll. Glorifying heroine is so far off from what this guy and his fans are about, the drug themes in the lyrics are just a vehicle to talk about wider things like lonliness and dependance. So yeah, be nice :)
Name a GOOD famous musician who didn't f around with booze or drugs, Bill Hicks will tell you. His guitar playing was a little better than a few chords assholes-try playin that shit sober and post it for me, while singing it no less.
A few of you seem to not be able to seperate his music from his lifestyle-if you can't do it-your not talking about music-your imposing your own self rightious morality.
- don't like it?Change the f-ing channel! god is love : )
'he wasn't himself', 'was at the worst of his heroin addiction,wasn't taking care of himself'!? what the fuck are you idiots talking about? how do you think you know anything about him, or what state he was in? we all know he had periods of addiction,but to pretend you know when/what he was going through here is retarded.he fucked up songs all the time,because he had hundreds of songs to keep memorized perfectly-not easy.shut up and appreciate the amazing work he created and left for us to enjoy
Exactly. I'm 16 and I've written about 70 songs. I can remember like 5 all the way through and I'll fuck em up anyway while playing em. I would never doubt that Elliott wrote less than 1,000 songs.
You are stupid. Look at Elliott, an amazing musician, but had a drug problem. Does that mean everyone must ignore him and tell him his music sucks? Because thats what you're saying. How did I feed his heroin addiction, get blood on my hands, become an enabler by starting to listen to him 4 years after he died. I would've really liked him to get better, same with any person with a drug addiction Could I have stopped him from committing suicide? No
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transmissionwould - yr glorifying junkiedom.
if people had of stopped kissing eliots ass while he was alive + forced him to get help he might be still here with us today, but no.
as long as there is an audience for junkies the cycle will continue. you are feeding that cycle by glorifying a junkie who lived a trailer trash life.
I can't tell if this is a joke or not. You think every fan of his knew he had an addiction? I highly doubt it. And even if every single fan of his knew, how would they be able to go to Elliott's house and send him to drug treatment. You're so full of shit.
Why didn't you help Elliott...you basically murdered him, because you didn't help him. You're spenidng your time on the internet watching videos and screwing around when you COULD HAVE BEEN SAVING HIS LIFE!!!! RIGHT?
Can I just tell you that he became a "junkie" in 2001.And no, that's not why people like him, it's became of his talent, and songwriting. Did you just say we had to judge him because he had a problem?
How was he a worthless junkie, the guy wrote songs that helped people through tough times. And again, explain how I glorify it, I listen to Elliott regularily, how does enjoying his MUSIC glorfy DRUGS.?
Seems like you know a thing or two about junkies - must be one yourself huh?
Because you're damn sure not talented like Elliott was...
Chalking his problems up to drug abuse is a lame excuse - the man battled depression type issues from childhood when his parents divorced and he got beat would get beat up as a kid in Texas, until he moved here, to Portland.
Simply put, he wound up with access to these drugs via fame - but he didn't want to be famous. it's a sad story, with a sad ending.
ok bigcherry99 you've been posting quite a lot on this video and I think its time your get your facts straight. True, we cannot deny that drug addiction is a terrible thing, but none the less it doesn't take away from Elliott's music. You say he had no talent but in reality the man was a lyrical genius as well as an excellent guitarist. Listening to his music isn't patronizing drug abuse. Its simple enjoying an art.
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Elliott had also been receiving help from those close to him up until the day he died. When they did an autopsy on his body, there was virtually zero traces of illegal drugs in his body. In fact, at the very end of his life, Elliott quit all his drugs and medication and essentially went cold turkey. But this brought on strong emotions that the drugs had been taking away and made him more susceptible to self destruction. That being said, he was far from a worthless junkie.
First of all if you had read what I actually wrote, I said they found zero traces of illegal drugs in his body. Second of all you're just talking in circles. Saying Elliott's music is tainted with drug abuse but not backing anything up. How can you say he lived a low class life if he touched millions of lives? How is he a junkie if he quit drugs? You're right though, you can't separate the music from the man. This beautiful music was in fact coupled with a beautiful human being.
Furthermore you say that Elliott's music was tainted by the association of drugs. As far as I'm concerned the only one here that can a hear a beautiful song like this and associate it with drugs is you. So please respect the music and don't pass such harsh judgement on a man you didn't even know.
And exactly what did john lennon do differently than just playing a few chords and singing a little bit. And couldn't you say most Lennon fans are just stoner-head hippies who want peace?
"so he could play a few chords + sing a little bit. big deal! he's not exactly john lennon is he?"
you could say that about anybody, including john lennon. or bob dylan, hank williams, johnny cash ect. some music just connects with certian people and not others for some reason. but thats the beauty of it.
so leonardo da vinci put some paint on a canvas + he could invent a little bit. big deal! he's not exactly galileo galilei is he. ;) see my point.
im a 15 year old fan and im not a fucking waster you ignorant cunt. Elliot didnt fuckin just play chords. He did more then lennon actually all instruments on earlier album were all recorded by him. His lyrics are amazing and his guitar playing fits perfect it was just chords he created chords, he created a form of music that cant be performed again. I have depression and his music has helped me through rough times so think about other peoples thoughts before you post your stupidity online.
if you dont like the man why are you sitting here looking up videos of him and talking shit. go do something else you worthless bastard! how many albums have you sold?
What key is this song?
jgoldie01 1 month ago
this makes me sad. elliott was such an amazing musician, and its sad to watch him fall apart.
diggin4rubies 1 month ago
i like him with long hair, i was born earlier so i could have seen him play!! such a beautiful soul xo
siebenny 2 months ago
can we agree he looks like eddie vedder with the long hair?
89SoloDolo 2 months ago 2
what year was this filmed?
Ehenderson88 3 months ago
Elliott Smith is like a modern day Bob Dylan... except way fucking better!
1980futureclone 3 months ago 8
Is it just me or does everyone just want to walk up to him and start fiddlin' with his hair? I reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallly wanna braid it. :3
heyjude97 3 months ago
WHICH PLACE OF SEATTLE WAS?????
eunaodouaminima 3 months ago
thnks.
titanfudginfletcher 3 months ago
This is supremely useful for people trying to learn to play the music.
xxcrysad3000xx 4 months ago
Id give anything to see him preform, good or bad.
maciesnipples 4 months ago
Dang. So this is the only song you got of this show? despite how everyone is saying it was a train wreck, I'd love to see the whole show.
bouncingsouls6 4 months ago
si! el deberia estar sentado en un trono!
einsholdElliottSmith 4 months ago
hahah i looked a lot like him when i had long hair lol
cordfluidnevoie 4 months ago
I LOVE YOU ELLIOTT, FOREVER IN MY HEART
einsholdElliottSmith 5 months ago
He couldn't hear his vocals in the monitor.
rach6st 5 months ago
Limpty! I was at that show too. It was pretty sad but beautiful at the same time. He was having problems with a hand injury at the time, which was partly why he kept aborting songs (he also seemed a bit inebriated). The crowd loved it, though. I remember the one guy who heckled him ("get a band!") was roundly shouted down. Elliot was one of the greatest songwriters of our time. I'm sorry the bouncer took your camera. I'd love to see the rest of the show again!
gcwaite 5 months ago
I thought this was a fine cover. I'd have give anything to see him play once good or bad.
Rapter57 5 months ago
What year was this?
addictioner 5 months ago
I abort songs every five seconds, I just don't have as much pressure. Playing perfectly on stage every night is IMPOSSIBLE... unless you're a robot.
janderkin 6 months ago
I was at this show - at the Showbox. It WAS a train wreck, but not because the crowd was yelling for old stuff - he was obviously wasted and just wasn't able to complete most of his songs. That's why people were yelling - they were getting frustrated. I would have thought the ES crowd would be more understanding, but most there were probably newer fans. It was sad to watch cause it was the third or fourth show of his that I had been to, so I knew how good he COULD be...this was a disaster.
brianbot5000 6 months ago
This is so cool. I can't find another live version of this. I really like watching his hands move as he sifts through all of those monster chord changes with what looks like the greatest of ease. You were really lucky to see him live. I didn't get turned on to him until it was too late. Yet, it seems like there's a lot of videos of him on ytube, so that's pretty cool.
amirrorcan911 6 months ago
When was this shot?
sicfuc66 7 months ago
Wow, beautiful.
One of my favourite conduits for the muse, along with Cat Stevens, Jeff Buckley, and Serj Tankian.
IngridElkner 8 months ago
@IngridElkner
I think it's cool that Tankian is such an influence on you. Seems out of place with the rest you mentioned (though I have bigger issues with Buckley), but it's very charming. :)
spewintothis 5 months ago
:(
Nescitur 8 months ago
maaaaan its so raw i fukken love it
valahogy 8 months ago
what year was this shot??
bhughes138 8 months ago
Do you know of any more footage from this gig? I know your camera was taken but do you know of any more? I like the trainwreck shit. It makes me feel better about when I screw up a song.
MegaMandrake99 9 months ago
FUUUUCK SEATTLE. What a heroin, eastern philosophy shithole.
a5dr3 9 months ago
i read about these performances on youtube, where he totally embarasses himself and is a complete wreck. however, he did make a comeback with his last albums and as one critic said, they were ''shocked'' to find out he was even still writing music, including the 20 or so songs never released or even on New Moon
charlesobama 10 months ago
@charlesobama I collected nearly every live show from those lost years of 2000-2001, & yes in some shows he aborts almost half the songs. He was a real mess back then, but he did eventually seek out help & cleaned himself up. Note:Fuck "They"- he has at least 50-60 songs he either cut, or gave out to close friends as personal gifts.-"they" are the lyrical basis for "King's Crossing," "Angeles" $ many others. I do have the most remarkable llive show from march 2003 where he didnt miss 1 note
AnomicDeadDisciple 9 months ago
he grew his hair out during his wilderness years. He died soon after cutting it off
MrTimalex1 10 months ago
love you elliott.
tylersloanmusic 11 months ago
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cut your hair motherfucker
MattyMattThing 11 months ago
Elliott Smith looked so good with long hair
ratgirl666 1 year ago 6
when was this?
GSarovich 1 year ago
I had never seen him with hair this long! Where have I been? one of the most beautiful artists with the best music ever.
e1leeny 1 year ago 3
@STAYcreased the tittle sugests seattle :D
brunobliss 1 year ago 2
when was this???
goldflakedpaint123 1 year ago
Is this the Triple Door? I guess maybe not but is looks like it a bit at the start. Would have loved to have been there.
domhar543 1 year ago
it kills me how frustrated he looks when he aborts the song :(
phorque2 1 year ago 38
@phorque2 I know its heartbreaking :(
pr0dd2k9 6 months ago
i like stcnobody comment and bradennn1s comment true true true!!!!!!!
jtufano21 1 year ago
i bet if the bouncer that took your camera saw this video hed want to go back so you could record the whole show.
joytoy322 1 year ago
"found true love, made it die, I pushed her away, she said please stay..."
siiiggghhh
bttrflyscar1 1 year ago
i always loved his live performances
breaktheblackice 1 year ago
Damn, he looks different with that hair, when he was walking out I was like "Oh great, another cover... Wait a second...". RIP.
InsertNameHere145 1 year ago
Elliott looked great with long hair, but it really doesn't fit him well.
Dirtmurder 1 year ago
I love this song, but he screwed it up big time here, 1:50. He seems nervous or something. He's disappointed with the vocals in the monitors too, 2:00.
longshortman 1 year ago
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3pmwsh 1 year ago
Limpity - what was the date of the show? I never saw Elliott's hair so long in any other clips I have seen! And thanks for posting - it keeps his memory alive for so many of us...
cpower342 1 year ago
I have a problem with that shitty chair... He should be sitting on a throne.
bradennn1 1 year ago 101
@bradennn1
he loves those chairs.. though..
xoxoesxoxo 1 year ago
@bradennn1
I don't think Elliott would be comfortable on a throne, don't you see how uncomfortable he is with big audiences? If the apparatus around him hadn't been so damn greedy and demanding maybe we could still enjoy him on a small stage...
gloomandglow 1 year ago
@bradennn1
I don't think Elliott would be comfortable on a throne, don't you see how uncomfortable he was with big audiences? If the apparatus around him hadn't been so damn greedy and demanding maybe we could still enjoy him on a small stage...
gloomandglow 1 year ago
@bradennn1 Okay, I did give you a "thumbs up" b/c of the fact thAT it's elliott, this song is beyond words 2 describe, &. metaphorically, He earned that throne as such a beautiful soul. BUT...if Elliott were ever asked to weight in on the matter, my strong intuition is that he'd choose either a plain stool or a chair in the back of a bar. He was never a king, a diva, or anything else but a plain flawed man. my guess is that if U said it to him, he'd just respond with his his usual "thanks..."
AnomicDeadDisciple 9 months ago
@bradennn1 HERE HERE!!!
bmarkism 9 months ago
@bradennn1 You wrote the same thing for a couple other Elliott Smith videos...
PhilTheKilll 2 months ago
was amazing? is amazing.
AGurlNamedGoo 1 year ago
Oh man..... Much love to Elliott...
MissMisery123 1 year ago
he almost looks like a young neil young
dereksoundcloud 1 year ago
Elliot Smith the Medicine Man, Thanks so much and Fly High man.
redman2694u 1 year ago 2
wonderfull... one of the best in every sense...
bigokb 1 year ago
i love this song
jaaayjay1221 1 year ago
can someone tell me what show this was?
davlon0 1 year ago
i believe it was at spaceland in la
mikeyatnl1 1 year ago
wow. thank you.
davlon0 1 year ago
he was like " yo monitors up plekease "
brokenimages 2 years ago 2
man i love elliott!!!
ganuenen 2 years ago
if im not mistaken, this seems to be right before he died correct? if so, you guys can all tell it really was his time to go. he looks so miserable. and he found his place to get lost <3 :)
babydollxhxc 2 years ago
@babydollxhxc No, this was a couple years before. He was frustrated because he couldn't hear himself sing, but it was weird because he decided to wait until after the song was pretty much through to get frustrated and tell them to turn it up. He went to rehab, got clean, and most assumed he was finally better right before he died... He was working on an album, so he didn't have MUCH time to really play many lives directly before his death. They say, though, that his last concert was a great one.
Amulius 2 years ago 3
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It's ashame how the audience just claps like monkeys when he clearly messed up and was upset about it. Idiots...
letigeifyouwant12 2 years ago
At the end he's telling the mixing board operator to turn up the monitors because he can't hear his own voice. That's a very common complaint. It's not unusual for vocalists to get upset at the end of a song when they couldn't hear themselves singing.
ranjihabarnabab 2 years ago
Very interesting, you said, what I wanted to say, but was'nt going to. If that makes sense. Its very frustrating for the musician. Ive seen enough live shows to know this is true.
tillyandthepoo 2 years ago
i have the same problem constantly. so i always end up singing way too loud and no one can hear the guitar.
leviroxanne 2 years ago
the end is so hard to watch, he just looks so upset with himself :'(
alexlulz 2 years ago
I wonder how often he capoed that high up the neck? His stuff often has a very chimy sound that I guess could be from using capos in that way, but this is the first video where I've seen it.
madpie109 2 years ago
he does it in a lot of songs actually and some songs live when they arnt on the album, or higher then on the album.
JBobTC 2 years ago
I love this version, whether or not it got fucked-up, I still think it's very raw and great. Thanks for the upload.
R.I.P. E.S. <3
vegastr0n 2 years ago 4
the end is so depressing
petervischiofilm 2 years ago 7
its so heartbreaking to see anyone in such bad shape.
the end makes me want to cry.
ancook58 2 years ago 2
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ancook58 2 years ago
yeah, he just wanted to hear himself through the p.a. in front of him..very hard to sing live when you can't hear yourself...prolly why he cut it short
koby308 2 years ago
This is the first video I saw where he had his hair long like this. I had no idea he grew it out that long.
ihaveniceass 2 years ago 3
any more from this gig?
nasratfatty 2 years ago
the most powerful drug is of the mind and sometimes you can delve too deep into the mind to ever be a free soul. sometimes you need to delve deeper to be a free soul. the line i fine like the line is fine from mediocre to genius. long live those who do not settle for mediocrity
spickspack 2 years ago
stop smoking... jk
h0b0ch1c 2 years ago
I read and after speaking with Rob Schnapf \, one of his close producers, that his drug of choice was actually alcohol. That of course, is not to say he didn't indulge in other drugs or means of escape as his greatest escape ended up in his death. Just out of curiosity, was this conert in 2001 or 2002 by any chance? Anyone know?
Strauhn 2 years ago
alcohol is no joke. It sucks coming down after a binge
samvining1234 2 years ago
2001.
Transmissionwould 2 years ago
@Strauhn his drug of choice was alcohol when rob knew him. around the same time he started getting into heroin and crack (mid to late 2000), he cut off ties with rob and pretty much everyone else he knew from the "old days."
UnreleasedOriginal 2 years ago
omg...I'm sorry, I didn't know that. But how does that explain his autopsy? Again, I don't know if this true, but I read in an article about him that he was completely clean of any drug whatsoever in his body.
Strauhn 2 years ago
Yeah he managed to beat everything (including even alcohol and red meat) before he died. the last year of his life was very inspiring and by all accounts, productive and happy. he spent a lot of time trying to reconnect with people he had lost touch with in the "dark years", unfortunately something went horribly wrong in the end.
UnreleasedOriginal 2 years ago
What's even more interesting is that investigators at some point have now questioned how he died. They've figured out how the stab wound was place in his chest doesn't match up with one would stab themselves based on the angle and placement of the wound.....I thought that was interesting.
Strauhn 2 years ago
brilliant. genius. talented man. but he wasn't even a hardcore user of opiates. he liked to romanticize the junkie life and emphasize the darker aspects of it. but a chronic heroin user? nah. but definitely not a straight edge.
ohxsea80 2 years ago
Reports from those close to him said that around 2001 he was using $1500 worth of crack and dope a day.
But you're probably right, he wasn't a chronic heroin user.
Nope. Not at all.
nick4man3 2 years ago
Where are you getting this information?
Do you have any idea how much $1500 worth of crack is?
eskosmap 2 years ago
David McConell, the engineer and producer for Basement on the Hill was quoted in a Spin interview saying that. Now I do know how much that is, and I'm not saying it's 100% accurate, but he knew Elliott better than you and I did, so I'm m ore inclined to take his word over your assumption.
nick4man3 2 years ago
I stand corrected, he absolutely did say that.
On a side note: Very good article.
eskosmap 2 years ago
Yeah man.
But like you said before, $1500 worth of crack and dope is A LOT, so how true that is? I don't know. I guess he tried to purposely OD a couple of time and stuff. Elliott was a tortured human being, but an amazing artist at the same time. Those 2 things tend to go hand in hand.
I agree, though, great article.
nick4man3 2 years ago
maybe it was just really good/expsensive crack...?
heylookitsmatty 2 years ago
You make a good point.
Maybe he was just getting ripped off?
nick4man3 2 years ago
it is very easy to spend that much money a day when you can afford it and have a really developed habit.
bobbiepiznug 2 years ago
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where can i find this article online?
vuvaladusi 2 years ago
do you? for a drug addict it can be done and easily especially if you can afford that shit like he could.
bobbiepiznug 2 years ago
Alright, first and foremost, that's an extreme amount any way you look at it.
Now have -personally- ever known someone who has had an addiction where they've spent that much on a daily basis. I'm going to guess the answer to that is no without you answering. That would mean you heard it in a story *just like the one we are discussing here*. Good day sir.
eskosmap 2 years ago
wouldn't really matter if i told you yes now would it?
it is not so extreme if you have absurd amounts of money...the main premise of addiction is the inability to stop, the only way most people are forced to stop is cause theysa broke but this dude could keep going and i say good for him becuase heroin is good for the soul.
bobbiepiznug 2 years ago
Alright, well now you're telling me how extreme a drug is depends on how much money you have, and saying some other random stuff that doesn't really have anything to do with the conversation.
I tell you what, you go ahead and do $1500 of heroin a day for a month and come back and tell us how good your soul is doing.
Should have known better than to get into a conversation on you-tube. My fault.
eskosmap 2 years ago
IDK about saying heroin is good for the soul. I mean maybe if done once a year, but not in excess. Heroin's a beast of a drug!!!
purpledrohaze777 2 years ago
heroin is a hell of a drug
richiestoner101 2 years ago
Heroin is never good.
misslessieloo 2 years ago
Too good.
snozberrysoda1 1 year ago
Dude this isnt Dr, Drews rehab shit, take your boring drug shit to the fag reality videos
azrial4421 2 years ago
To anyone that thinks this is a screw up from drugs:
Elliott usually kept his vocals A LOT higher than his guitar for his shows, that's just how he liked it. Listen to the mix of this song, you can barely hear the vocals, the guitar is absolutely overpowering him.
He seemed pretty angry at the sound guy at the end too. Like "What the fuck? Do your job right."
Just my opinion tho.
tzohfeld 2 years ago 2
ive never seen his hair this long
xwallinx 2 years ago
you people argue over the dumbest shit man...he had his problems, ya know? everybody does...he couldn't take it anymore..so he ended it..he was a beautiful soul..and brilliant musician..don't let him die in vain...R.I.P
stcnobody 2 years ago 43
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Hear hear.
Roger Waters from pink floyd paid some guy to partially deface his monument in LA for some anti-war slogan i think.
Really sad stuff. He was one hell of an artist for sure.
R.I.P. Elliott. People still want to fall in love with your ideas man, you are an artist forever. <3
ifuckinglovebrandnew 1 year ago
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Hear hear.
Roger Waters from pink floyd paid some guy to partially deface his monument in LA for some anti-war slogan i think.
Really sad stuff. He was one hell of an artist for sure.
R.I.P. Elliott. People still want to fall in love with your ideas man, you are an artist forever. <3
ifuckinglovebrandnew 1 year ago
@stcnobody Thank you. Some asshole was going on about his girlfriend he loved calling her every name in the book. I guess that guy didn't understand love.
Rckrgrl73 1 year ago
@stcnobody Jen Chiba killed him. He didn't commit suicice.
cleanedge 1 year ago
to anyone who criticizes elliott
Look at any famous person throughout time, especially in music. Nearly everyone experienced times using drugs. Plenty of people still do today. Musicians and artists are not boring ass people like yourselves. Why do you think Elliott was able to write so many amazing songs that have affected so many people around the world. Even though, for a decent part of his adult life, he was on drugs he developed into an amazing musician.
Vaughnheezy 2 years ago
he is a crazy guitarist. watch memory lane and tell me thats not impressive. to sing and play that at the same time.
Vaughnheezy 2 years ago 3
What's the date of this video?
madeyes4u 2 years ago
Big Cherry, at least Elliott used punctuation. Obviously, you are of a lesser class than him.
Drug addiction is classless. Meaning that it can affect people of any class.
tuezmoi 2 years ago
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What's so wrong with being a heroin addict? If you've never been addicted to heroin then you wouldn't understand...
09HDH01 2 years ago
you are right elliott smith was clean who ever this response is to they need to read under the radar.... it was elliott smiths last mag interview.... and elliott smith started a foundation for abused children with his spare money.
elliott245 2 years ago 3
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all the musicians you list were all far more successful than elliott smith and none of them were stabbed by their low class girlfriends
unlike the musicians you list, elliot smith was a low class junkie who led a junkies life
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bigcherry99 2 years ago
Woah what happened bigcherry99? couldn't conjure one of your witty responses to what I had to say? Couldn't think of another way to denounce Elliott Smith because of what I had said? You disappoint me. I was hoping you would actually prove to be a formidable opponent. But I guess you're just out to piss off people, not provide a decent argument. But thats fine. Seems to me you're living a low class junkie life posting bullshit comments on youtube. Haha you're worthless
antipizzaman1 2 years ago 2
lame dude.... no need for this bullshit.
yousuperpussy 2 years ago
He's dead. Give him a little respect!
zuewaerg 2 years ago
He looks so frustrated at the end. :(
wheresgeorge1025 2 years ago
i feel sorry for people that have to go on websites and leave derogatory comments about people they don't even know. pathetic, and very ignorant. i guess maybe big cherry has a magic crystal ball and can see all of us elliott fans huh?
LAME big cherry...LAME! elliott smith was a VERY talented man. very loved and very missed.
loreeloo 2 years ago 2
Sir, do you have any idea how the internet works?
MoonBoston 2 years ago
Long hair and a Gibson instead of shaggy hair and a Yamaha!?! Fantastic. Christ I miss him.
Thanks for posting.
davefranklinmartin 2 years ago 2
: ( stupid people
lapamelissa 2 years ago 2
Big cherry is a dumb cunt...
Brandonp76 2 years ago 3
hey bigcherry99, just stop it. you don't know what you're talking about. Calling fans of elliott smith murderers is pretty low. even for a youtube troll. Glorifying heroine is so far off from what this guy and his fans are about, the drug themes in the lyrics are just a vehicle to talk about wider things like lonliness and dependance. So yeah, be nice :)
beautiful song
xo elliott
JamesGrady2 2 years ago 2
c'mon guys, Elliott Smith was the man!
Name a GOOD famous musician who didn't f around with booze or drugs, Bill Hicks will tell you. His guitar playing was a little better than a few chords assholes-try playin that shit sober and post it for me, while singing it no less.
A few of you seem to not be able to seperate his music from his lifestyle-if you can't do it-your not talking about music-your imposing your own self rightious morality.
- don't like it?Change the f-ing channel! god is love : )
jaspermalloy 2 years ago 3
DRUGS ARE THE SHIT.
JesusRebellion 2 years ago 2
'he wasn't himself', 'was at the worst of his heroin addiction,wasn't taking care of himself'!? what the fuck are you idiots talking about? how do you think you know anything about him, or what state he was in? we all know he had periods of addiction,but to pretend you know when/what he was going through here is retarded.he fucked up songs all the time,because he had hundreds of songs to keep memorized perfectly-not easy.shut up and appreciate the amazing work he created and left for us to enjoy
tonyswar 2 years ago 3
Exactly. I'm 16 and I've written about 70 songs. I can remember like 5 all the way through and I'll fuck em up anyway while playing em. I would never doubt that Elliott wrote less than 1,000 songs.
abcmex 2 years ago
To be perfectly honest 2001-2002 was the worst of his addiction, Elliott said that himself. And sadly, this is right in the middle of that.
It was near the height of his addiction, but that doesn't prevent me from appreciating an amazing musician's music.
Transmissionwould 2 years ago
"that doesn't prevent me from appreciating an amazing musician's music"
if u had any morals it would
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bigcherry99 2 years ago
Can you explain to me what moral I would need in order to not appreciate a musicians music who has a drug addiction.
Transmissionwould 2 years ago 2
transmissionwould - integrity
bigcherry99 2 years ago
Oh yeah don't worry about explaining it.
Let's see how my lack of integrity should make me not appreciate Elliott Smith during this time.
Transmissionwould 2 years ago
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transmissionwould - if u had an integrity u wouldn't be supporting a junkie by listening to his music.
yr support feeds his heroin addiction.
u have blood on yr hands. yr an enabler.
yr selfish. all u care about is yrself + whether u get to listen to his music.
u don't care that yr a junkie sponsor.
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bigcherry99 2 years ago
You are stupid. Look at Elliott, an amazing musician, but had a drug problem. Does that mean everyone must ignore him and tell him his music sucks? Because thats what you're saying. How did I feed his heroin addiction, get blood on my hands, become an enabler by starting to listen to him 4 years after he died. I would've really liked him to get better, same with any person with a drug addiction Could I have stopped him from committing suicide? No
Transmissionwould 2 years ago
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transmissionwould - yr glorifying junkiedom.
if people had of stopped kissing eliots ass while he was alive + forced him to get help he might be still here with us today, but no.
as long as there is an audience for junkies the cycle will continue. you are feeding that cycle by glorifying a junkie who lived a trailer trash life.
yr one step away from being a murderer!
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bigcherry99 2 years ago
I can't tell if this is a joke or not. You think every fan of his knew he had an addiction? I highly doubt it. And even if every single fan of his knew, how would they be able to go to Elliott's house and send him to drug treatment. You're so full of shit.
Why didn't you help Elliott...you basically murdered him, because you didn't help him. You're spenidng your time on the internet watching videos and screwing around when you COULD HAVE BEEN SAVING HIS LIFE!!!! RIGHT?
Transmissionwould 2 years ago 2
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yes, of course he fans knew he was a junkie, that's the reason they liked him.
sadly, young people think drug problems are glamorous, but instead of judging him they just kept buying his music and helped him along to his death.
i had no interest in saving eliots life bcoz
a) i was never a fan
b) he was a worthless junkie
no-one helped this man, they glorified his drug abuse, just like you do!
keep up the good work!
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bigcherry99 2 years ago
Can I just tell you that he became a "junkie" in 2001.And no, that's not why people like him, it's became of his talent, and songwriting. Did you just say we had to judge him because he had a problem?
How was he a worthless junkie, the guy wrote songs that helped people through tough times. And again, explain how I glorify it, I listen to Elliott regularily, how does enjoying his MUSIC glorfy DRUGS.?
Transmissionwould 2 years ago 3
Seems like you know a thing or two about junkies - must be one yourself huh?
Because you're damn sure not talented like Elliott was...
Chalking his problems up to drug abuse is a lame excuse - the man battled depression type issues from childhood when his parents divorced and he got beat would get beat up as a kid in Texas, until he moved here, to Portland.
Simply put, he wound up with access to these drugs via fame - but he didn't want to be famous. it's a sad story, with a sad ending.
shadrussell 2 years ago 2
one thing youve failed to grasp is that he was off drugs and had been for some time when he died
plxplxkthx 2 years ago
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plxplxkthx - yr missing the point. he was still a scumbag living a trailer trash lifetyle.
i mean, who gets stabbed by their girlfriend? its SO lowlife.
he lived a worthless junkie life.
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bigcherry99 2 years ago
urm, elliott smith didnt for sure
ill bet he didnt spam youtube with troll comments on artists he didnt like too.
plxplxkthx 2 years ago 2
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elliott was too busy snorting heroin.
talentless junkie
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bigcherry99 2 years ago
ok bigcherry99 you've been posting quite a lot on this video and I think its time your get your facts straight. True, we cannot deny that drug addiction is a terrible thing, but none the less it doesn't take away from Elliott's music. You say he had no talent but in reality the man was a lyrical genius as well as an excellent guitarist. Listening to his music isn't patronizing drug abuse. Its simple enjoying an art.
antipizzaman1 2 years ago
antipizzaman - elliot's music is tainted by his association with drugs.
u can't separate the music from the man. if his life was low class, then his music was low class.
it was people like u who spent money on elliott's shows and CD's that gave him the money to buy drugs.
stop sponsoring junkies!!!
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bigcherry99 2 years ago
you probably listen to forcefed mainstream music, so I say to you Stop sponsoring Brainwash Bullshit, you go and buy the new Nickelback cd when Target puts it up for sale
mellowtonen 2 years ago
Elliott had also been receiving help from those close to him up until the day he died. When they did an autopsy on his body, there was virtually zero traces of illegal drugs in his body. In fact, at the very end of his life, Elliott quit all his drugs and medication and essentially went cold turkey. But this brought on strong emotions that the drugs had been taking away and made him more susceptible to self destruction. That being said, he was far from a worthless junkie.
antipizzaman1 2 years ago
antipizza - u admit elliott had a trace of drugs in his system, but then u say he went cold turkey.
which one is it liar?
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bigcherry99 2 years ago
First of all if you had read what I actually wrote, I said they found zero traces of illegal drugs in his body. Second of all you're just talking in circles. Saying Elliott's music is tainted with drug abuse but not backing anything up. How can you say he lived a low class life if he touched millions of lives? How is he a junkie if he quit drugs? You're right though, you can't separate the music from the man. This beautiful music was in fact coupled with a beautiful human being.
antipizzaman1 2 years ago
Furthermore you say that Elliott's music was tainted by the association of drugs. As far as I'm concerned the only one here that can a hear a beautiful song like this and associate it with drugs is you. So please respect the music and don't pass such harsh judgement on a man you didn't even know.
antipizzaman1 2 years ago
the only trace of drugs that were found were prescription level of his prescribed drugs.
i2am0the0party6 2 years ago
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tonyswar - sorry brother, but anyone who takes heroin is a total loser
eliots heroin use makes his music worthless
no-one likes a junkie
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bigcherry99 2 years ago
thats a fuck load of bullshit!
just because he used drugs doesn't mean he wasn't talented
your accusations are re fucking diculous
cspring08 2 years ago
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talented? oh come on! so he could play a few chords + sing a little bit. big deal!
he's not exactly john lennon is he?
he was pretty average, the only reason people like him is because they identify with his loser junkie trailer trash lifestyle.
most of his fans are wasters. FACT!
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bigcherry99 2 years ago
And exactly what did john lennon do differently than just playing a few chords and singing a little bit. And couldn't you say most Lennon fans are just stoner-head hippies who want peace?
Can i ask what music you listen to?
Transmissionwould 2 years ago 6
hahah
"so he could play a few chords + sing a little bit. big deal! he's not exactly john lennon is he?"
you could say that about anybody, including john lennon. or bob dylan, hank williams, johnny cash ect. some music just connects with certian people and not others for some reason. but thats the beauty of it.
so leonardo da vinci put some paint on a canvas + he could invent a little bit. big deal! he's not exactly galileo galilei is he. ;) see my point.
whitestripebuzz 2 years ago
im a 15 year old fan and im not a fucking waster you ignorant cunt. Elliot didnt fuckin just play chords. He did more then lennon actually all instruments on earlier album were all recorded by him. His lyrics are amazing and his guitar playing fits perfect it was just chords he created chords, he created a form of music that cant be performed again. I have depression and his music has helped me through rough times so think about other peoples thoughts before you post your stupidity online.
bryt12693 2 years ago
While Elliott is awesome, I don't think his playstyle is untouchable like you say.
And after seeing your page, i can see why you're depressed.
klepticon 2 years ago
if you dont like the man why are you sitting here looking up videos of him and talking shit. go do something else you worthless bastard! how many albums have you sold?
supermilkchan010 2 years ago
if you read the book elliott smith and the big nothing it talks a bit about his drug abuse
makerofkaoz 2 years ago
is this when he became severely addicted to crack and heroin?
makerofkaoz 2 years ago