inside North Korea 2009 by Chinese media 7/7 Eng Sub

[discoolo1]

hm.. oh no! MFC - Visual C++ at 3:14! win32 application!!! I now know who is responsible for all the Windows viruses! :)

[ivanmetal]

un verdadero chupapicos este docu

[yapyunseong]

北韓.o

[dunnono00]

An interesting experience, almost an inverse or "bizarro" version of the American reports. "Special" government, etc. It makes you think a little more about what it's really like over there. Then again, Pyongang is their showcase city where the elites live. I still believe the regime under the Kims is a bad one for the N. Korean people, and the tales of the many defectors simple cannot be ignored.

Blonde chick at 4:13 is cute.

...look, I can only be insightful and thoughtful for so long.

[ButherLi55ett]

Sometimes I really do despair. It's incredible the number of people who completely fail to grasp why North Korea might be the way it is. Most seem to put a strong emphasis on North Korea changing - "opening up". The emphasis should be on the US leaving Korea, ending sanctions, embargo and so on. The US and allies are responsible for what happened in Korea and the continued situation. The US destroyed Korea once, are people so ignorant? For the nature of the regime itself you have to go deeper.

[Probablyacowtbh]

Ta for the up-load my good chap, it's nice seeing things from different perspectives.

[PrimeConsciousness]

It's fuckin' hilarious how most people in the P.R.C. think their D.P.R.K. client state is paradise. LoL @ propaganda power.

[otacs2]

Thank you very much for all your work! I have one question: what are the biggest differences between red eastern-europe and china from the 50's? I know about the break up of china and the ussr, i ask you this because of your annotation at the end! Thanks!

[xingfenzhen]

@otacs2

Because in Eastern Europe nationalism works against communism (i.e. the Baltic states in the USSR). But in China and from look of it, NK too, communism and nationalism is very much intertwined. And often communism is actually supported by patriotism, rather than ideology. One of reason CCP has a lot of support in China is that since founding of PRC, its hasn't being invaded, while non-government since 1840 can boast that. While in E Europe, the regimes are created by foreign armies

[bg24955]

Very nostalgic. 40 yrs ago, my father walked from Shanghai to Mao’s homestead in a communist pilgrimage. He was an Ace student and nuttier than the North Koreans. very emotional when I saw the kid who studies the English. I saw my father.

[Takeshi357]

Thanks for subtitling this. This is probably the most impartial documentary about North Korea I've seen to date; and by impartial, I mean the reporters or the crew do not provoke their guides in any fashion, but instead only show everything they are shown and let the viewer make up their own minds about the place.

It's kinda like Idi Amin Autoportrait in a way - it's practically comedic at times, until you remember the sinister reality behind the facade presented.

[timfidotru]

Wow, perhaps this is the best documentary on DPRK I've seen. Thanks for the subtitles. Though it's a shame that the Chinese subs are quite blurry.

I also find some comments on brainwashing and communism/capitalism rather funny - coming from the people with a cold war-era mindset.

Just to note: China never officially claimed to achieve socialist economy: It was branded state capitalist when PRC was established and market economy after the reforms.

[Juliusabcd]

what a great documentary! it was really interesting to see the "official" chinese perspective on north korea.. looks like they wanted to make the spectator a little nostalgic of the "good old mao days"

[timfidotru]

@Juliusabcd

They are officially the closest allies, but in reality, it is nothing more than geopolitics. Chinese do not even hide much their utter contempt for the N. Korea's government, and I can speculate that Koreans are dissatisfied with the Chinese manipulating and pushing them. In contrast, Chinese relations with some other comrades-in-ideology (Cuba, Venezuela, even eurocommunists, etc.) seem to be much more genuine and living.

[aznbreez]

always the same people and saying the same, youtube some more of North Korea and you will see every Documents by the Press Media will get the same show

[cmdargument]

Thanks for uploading I really really really was looking for more info on North Korea

This documentary revealed not suprisingly the great gulf( society of contrast) that neither East or western idealogy has been able to even out. I feel so awful when I think about what happens to those people, in political prisons, and starving over there

I wish I could do more

[cmdargument]

All the the North Korean people belong to me

And I will wipe the tears from their eyes and satisfy their hunger.

[SDFFDGSSDFGSDGFDGSFD]

lol it seems like the audience is forced to stay there. Sad

[somewhere6]

Well they are indeed brainwashed or at least disciplined to always say the accepted thing especially to foreigners. But in other countries, I find the brainwashing equally as intense, just more subtle and using more comfortable incentives. The failure of people in general to think for themselves and critically evaluate is quite universal. People who are feeling superior to them should look more closely at how minds are manipulated in the rest of the world.

[autoguydotcom]

Thank you for the English sub titles and for posting this. It is outstanding. A huge army, very many state workers, and the privileged population of the shining capital city, all riding on the backs of the huge "peasant class". Why would this 30%(?) minority object? They live fairly well for following the strict political doctrine, they're not stupid. A fantastic shining facade built to pacify the whims of the authority figure. I suggest his underlings are fooling him as well as the visitors.

[xihangyang]

look at 4:32 you can look at her tong when she fall and stand up. again.

man that women is hot from behind.

[Raymasaki]

a space shuttle with a NK Flag on it? LOL Keep Dreaming!

But i will give them this the foreigners visits PROVES we can all get along & have fun together. i would mind at all meeting & hanging out with people from

North Korea. NK is opening up & thats a step in the Right Direction.

diplomatic relations among Nations & people

[xingfenzhen]

@Raymasaki

But that's 2009 I doubt they would be as open now. Need to consolidate power for Kim the third

[Raymasaki]

@xingfenzhen well as odd it it my sound Kim the 3rd is mybe the only hope they have left. IF he decides to change his country for the better.

what many people don't understand its NOT that we want it to become like America, But more like south Korea. I believe that the north Koreans should live in peace & have Freedom.

[Kolob360]

'Opening up' Asia was a White man's plot to uproot Asians from their cultural and racial identities in order to turn them into mindless, consuming cattle. Yet, as the USA and Western Europe collapse from within - having long ago lost their identities - some still seek to follow in their footsteps. Thankfully, we have the example of North Korea which has not.

[VsAStarr]

aww that cute boy at the end is so sad and brainwashed :(

i feel so bad.

[jacarandaxia]

What programming language are those students writing?

[simonissheep]

@jacarandaxia i don't think its c# or java, probably c++

[bg24955]

without condesending attitude towards north korea, ifeng tv did a good job

[KOGR11]

unlike most of the other western documnetaries on north korea, this one conveys the image of a people far more accurately. A kindred feeling and understanding from the chinese programmers with their own experience from china's past makes this a very well done piece.

[MetalHeart8787]

@KOGR11 But it still refers to them as a Closed country & mentions

NO international internet, ON this chinese media! wich is the Truth but

stop saying they did a "good job" NK plans this stuff out & maps it out.

I WILL Give them this they do allow more Foerigners there & WE can & might open up with each other & become Friends, so much for "juche"

[KOGR11]

Actually they did a pretty good job nevertheless, try to see things outside of your limited American perspective. If you had any understanding of NK planning on media presentations you would have known this docu would have been a lot different from what it is now if that indeed was the case.

[Raymasaki]

@KOGR11 im just saying they even Mentioned what other documentaries have mentioned. TRY! LOOKING at my page im also (metalHeart)

Raymasaki is my Japanese/Asian page.

[KOGR11]

@MetalHeart8787 The programmers of this docu tried to see things in DPRK perspective, without making this a full propaganda by either completely slandering it or completely praising it and with their unique experience they have done something that NO western docu on DPRK has succeded or even attempted in doing.

[KOGR11]

@MetalHeart8787 And for your information DPRK isnt the only country without a completely open internet system. You can find similar systems all over the world and its nothing uncommon. The only dillemma you are facing is your unfamiliarity with systems that are different from the one you grew up with and the egocentric view that however things are defined in the US should be the world standard. Trust me this is an ancient mentality among people from the west.

[Raymasaki]

@KOGR11 "us should be world standard"

WRONG AGAIN! I didn't say that! im saying its UNfair simple as that!

im NOT saying "everyone" should have tyhe internet. BUT Look at how many other countries do. I know people here in the US that don't have & Don't want a computer. & i say hey to each his own. IT has NOTHING to do with the "west"

I bet you Many Brazilians,mexicans, Australians feel the same way.

the are HYPOCRITES when they say juche. thats all im saying

[DangoAki]

That's C++.

[bry0000000]

I guess what I'm trying to get at is in the west, blatant state run propaganda, in the conventional sense that we think of it as, is a point of interest, whereas in the Chinese broadcast, it's treated with a sense of indifference, as if it is nothing special.

[xingfenzhen]

@bry0000000

cause it is nothing special, kitchy propaganda is what north korea is known for. At least in China. the joke was if you ever wants to re-live the cultural revolution, go on a tourist trip to north korea.... haha. (and you'll be surprised how many people go there for nostalgic reasons...)

[bry0000000]

What I found most interesting was the way the Chinese media dealt with the issue of propaganda. Maybe it's because I'm reading subtitles, but I didn't get any sense of condemnation from the reporters when talking about propaganda like we would in the west. For them, it seemed just like another fact.

[xingfenzhen]

@bry0000000

but condemnation of propaganda itself is propaganda. remember its definition from the dictionary:

Propaganda: a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position.

The only thing isn't propaganda is a statement of facts devoid of any opinion or persuasion. The only thing I could think of that qualifies as such is statement of mathematical formulas.

[MidwayJournal]

@bry0000000 Ah! That's because this reporter is from Hong Kong and not the Mainland Chinese in the strictest sense hence this issue is being dealt with. If it were strictly Mainland Chinese media, that would not have been taken into consideration.

[xingfenzhen]

@night266

you have to realize the primary audience is people china, which actually know about more about communism than we'll do here. The original series aired in 2007 is a swing at the New Left that's gaining in popularity in China at the time. They argued had China gone on a socialist reform (in particular under thoughts of non-Maoist communists like Wang Ming) rather than market reform after cultural revolution china would have been a better place than it is now.

[xingfenzhen]

Reality is anyone with half a brain would have realized that Wang Ming's ideas (or any of the alternative solutions from New Left) isn't that different from Kim Il-sung. And they can see Kim's North Korea isn't all that different from Mao's China, while as bad as China is today, Deng Xiaoping's path seems has been a better one. By 2009, the New Left movement has subsided (but it did make China to reform its educational and health system), and this one is followup to the 2007 show.

[shalom1948hellyeah]

@night266 it's filled with brainwashed people because anyone with free will who couldn't live like that was killed 60 years ago. no one thinks North Korea is a great place but why does it so threaten you and other weak minded simpletons that the country differs from your preconceptions? most of the morons on the internet shooting off their mouths about camp 22 couldn't even find north korea on the map or know that the US itself created the nation in 1945 out of the hull of imperial japan

[extremedivas1]

North Korea is so very quite about they country ?

[dryamontillado]

That was so interesting! Thank you for posting and translating it.  They really did get more access than the other N Kor documentaries I've found. It's such a shame that they can't have longer, freer conversations with their guides. I always find what the guides say about their lives and beliefs to be the most interesting part.

[qingyuank]

nice country. too bad everything video-ed was only what they wanted the rest of the world to see

[barbarash]

No mention of the 90%+ who live below the poverty line who barely get rations, live in constant fear and don't even have basic living conditions including heating.

Basically this documentary covered the affluent side of North Korea and not the real country.

[xingfenzhen]

@barbarash

there is no such thing as "the real country". after all what is the "real" america? Is it the farms mid-west with all those cows, or towering city of new york, or the slums and ghetto of inner city with all those drive-by, or all the pretty house and wall street money in martha's vineyard or block upon blocks of foreclosed house in the inland Empire, or it is the high tech stuff at silicon valley or is it the glamor of Hollywood or is all the dysfunction shit on the real world? NOT..

[MusicEqualsMemories]

@xingfenzhen: Nice evasion of the basic premise i.e. your misrepresentation of life in the DPRK as lived by the majority of NKers. Starving millions. Concentration camps. Lack of the necessities of life. A leader that lives in opulence fully aware of his peoples needs. Oppression on the grand scale. A cult of personality sickening in its morbidity and slavishness. Remember "Animal Farm"? 'Some are more equal than others." That is the reality of socialism. IlIusions and delusions.

[xingfenzhen]

@MusicEqualsMemories

you should read hayek's road to serfdom instead for critique of socialism and its dangers. While George Orwell is good, but it target audience is people in middle school. And if you're in that category, put that in your reading list for the future. After you finishing reading great work on politics and economics and history. Perhaps, then you can see the world more clearly, beyond the sound bytes and stereotypes.

[MusicEqualsMemories]

@xingfenzhen: You seemed to have missed a few relevant points. Starvation, imprisonment, murder, lack of heat, lack of water, lack of electricity, lack of a worldview denied, lack of vegetables meat fish poultry, and a fat slob and his kids living in a decadent lifestyle more befitting a classic Marxist bourgeoisie oppressor of the proletariat . God, how I just love the jingoism of socialism. It's so full of itself. Oh, I finished my schooling before your parents joined the Red Guards.

[shalom1948hellyeah]

@MusicEqualsMemories lol socialism is the opposite of jingoism which is a form of nationalism, most specifically linked to GB and US. starvation, imprisonment and certainly MURDER are not socialist conditions lmao. millions of Palestinians live behind a big ass wall in Israel in poverty without electricity or medical care and food, supported by the US, neither of which are socialist. NK certainly is a fucked up a place run by gangsters but you are stupid

[MusicEqualsMemories]

@shalom1948hellyeah: Your grasp of historical facts is non-existent. But then again your grasp on reality is also non-existent. You're are obviously a 'useful idiot' has defined by Lenin and Stalin or a sonderkommando as defined by the Nazis. Either way, I'd be ashamed to admitting to 62 years of such ignorance as you have amassed in your lfietime. Quite frankly, I find you to be of no interest at all. A simpleton, a dullard, a twit, a pedantic bore, with whom I'll not waste another moment on.

[heike5800979]

朝鲜真他妈的烂啊 简直对他们国家无语了 金正日死去吧  竟然私人上网都不行

真他妈有够洗脑的了

[harbin88]

@heike5800979 我觉得你的评论够烂的! ;) 对不起,开玩笑的说...

[ITRate]

do they know what facebook is? :D

[gr550]

At 3:45, I am so surprised to see DELL LCD monitor!!!

Well, it's kinda blurry, but it looks like DELL

[Probablyacowtbh]

@gr550 Didn't you know? DELL are whores.

[Konstantin2004]

I wonder what happened to the Argentian guys guide...

[thecharlotteness]

LOL "Damn microsoft, even in NK" xD

[98764455]

Cute north korean.

Korea is not treated fair, United States isolated North korea and treat them like enemy.

I have to say that if the whole world treat North korea fairly, it would be soon be another nice east-asian country

[cnsmile]

@98764455 It's harder than it sounds, it's hard for the world to treat North Korea fairly since it's the only hostile country in the east. I would love to see North Korea and South Korea reunify but it's not as easy as your put it. You are looking at the Top class of North Koreans, the .5 percent of the population. The rest of the population is poor and starving. yeah, it's sad, but it's the truth...

[Laintolerante1]

@cnsmile Why? Because you went there?, or because your favorite TV say it...?

[vinniram]

@cnsmile how do you know that

[laskfj]

@cnsmile Same with the South; a small percent of the population lives well, while majority unseen is poor. And if they are seen, they are depicted as being content and happy with their lives. Not so different the north and south...

[ThesakuracardCCS]

@laskfj: Can a South Korean citizen purchase a car, move to the capital Seoul, and marry a foreigner ? I believe you can say yes. However, North Koreans are unable to do that. Only people who are devoted to the Communist party are able to receive benefit of living in Pyongyang and owning vehicles. Women are not permitted to wearing pants in public or marrying foreign men. Poverty exists everywhere in the world but I believe poor South Koreans can receive aids from the government. It's different.

[rell127]

@98764455 No Country besides China is allied with hell even China thinks something is wrong with them.