man this shit is great! i think Moraz had a much more interesting input than Wakeman, don't get me wrong, both are legends, but how can you deny all of the creative synth sounds on Relayer, his sound is very playful and colorful. Pat is what makes Relayer my favorite album by Yes
Moraz is an amazing talent. Many here with some technical savvy point out the early synths having tuning issues. Also, please note that tape recordings (meaing taping of the show itself) also have flutter that affects the higher frequency stuff you're not going to notice it much on bass and guitar. My point is it probably didn't sound that as "sharp" at the show in person.
Well! When we listen this, we forget that, in fact, are a lot of channels missing here. But, anyway, Moraz is a fantastic player. But he is not going well here anyway.
I dont think Patrick Moraz (an outstanding keyboardist) "destroyed" Close to the Edge. I think there are parts of CttE that are untouchable and Moraz "touched' them.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who hated Patrick's "interpretations" of Yes music. In this one, he just goes off, seemingly oblivious to the song they're playing.
Moraz added a great energy to live Yes---and he played the music with his own style---CTTE didn't work well as it is such a tight composition---but his Ritual was much better than the original.
I'm a keyboard player, and I've gotta say it....this isn't the end of the world. It seems like something was coming from a loop in the background during the "I get up I get down" thing that set EVERYBODY off, and there were two small tuning errors that I noticed....VERY far from "destroying" Close to the Edge. VERY. Patrick Moraz is awesome.
He played great but there were some sound issues all through the first half of the show and the acoustic set. The only thing pat really failed on was playing along with the taped background to "I Get Up I Get Down" in time. Things dont even out until And You And I much later in the show. Listen to his piano solo from this and tell me it wasn't his day then!
Moraz was out of tune less than a second....and who cares.... he could be off 3 days if he wished and this music always will sound superior to today´s Mtv shit in perfect tune!!!!!
Ummm...the only thing "wrong" here is the sound of the Mini Moog. in the last part, Moraz improvised a solo rather than copying Wakeman's (and Moraz is a terrific improvisor) and he favored different textures on the Hammond than Wakeman. I like Wakeman, but when you hire a guy as talented as Moraz, you expect him to bring something of his own style to the material, not just copy Wakeman.
I sold my ARP 2600 back in the day (1991) cuz even though I loved it, I had to take it in to the shop $120 dlls once or twice a year to get the oscillators re-calibrated.
I was just reading some comments about Patrick Moraz & the negative things regarding his playing here in this video... First of all anyone with half a brain & being a true Yes fan would know that their music is very intricate & not very easy to play especially live.... their timing has to be impeccable... & I don't give a shit how much of a professional you are you will have your off days & nights no matter what it is just a fact.. Patrick Moraz is an excellent musician period...
Cannot believe the anal ignorant vitriol of this stuff - speaking as a live keyboard player. Moraz was my inspiration, Emerson was cold and Wakeman kitsch. I hardly ever listened to Yes after Moraz left / was pushed but I still play Story of I and Relayer. Moraz was the future but they preferred to stay in the box.
Aww man, I'm a player and built my first synth from an Aries kit, I had to leave a space next to one oscillator so I could adjust the trim pot in realtime to keep it in tune. Everybody has bad days, and Moraz is no exception. When I saw Wakeman try to emulate the orchestral parts from Magnification he was reading it first of all, and it was clam city in there I gotta tell you. And yes this rendition is Awful, but it was REAL, Nowadays, there's a lot of lipsyncing going on out there.
Moraz is like me--he lost patience with Mini-Moogs that were not "serviced." This might have been one of THOSE nights, and I've had "many with the Mini." You had to remove the bottom of the Mini, clean the buss bars with a cotton swab and denatured alcohol, then straighten the plastic contacts so that they weren't angling to one side or the other. If you didn't, the thing would go "woo-OOOO" all on its own. Wouldn't stay in tune, either; sensitive to voltage and temperature. VCOs, you know.
Analog synthesizers get out of tune in about 1 -2 hours when oscillators get heated. Need to the tuned again. My question to you: how'd Patrick tune the keyboards in the middle of the song????
What an absurd title! It's an outrage to say Pat Moraz is destroying Close to the Edge! Read my two paragraphs below this post to what I think the problem was! Pat is an excellent musician and does NOT destroy music!
That particular synth was obviously out of tune. This can be and was often due to temperature fluctuations and something that many analogue keyboards suffer from. Secondly, the mix wasn't good with the offending keyboard being particularly loud. Thirdly, that was a bad recording. Also, when a musician plays live in a band, it can be difficult to know if you are in tune due to inaccurate monitoring levels.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion but to accuse a musician of destroying something he's not responsible for is ridiculous. You obviously know very little about musicianship, instruments, live performance and sound mixing. Once again, this just goes to show how ignorant some people are!
I beg to differ with the scathing criticism of Patrick Moraz' performance here. The first trip through the big organ chorus sounded a bit thin the first time on the B3, but the second time around was lush and the solo spotlight sounded like the record. The crap mix is the culprit.
Moraz was a very creative influence, and at a critical time, since Rick split from the band. I'm as crazy about Rick Wakeman as they come, but Pat's short stint with Yes was colorful, crazy and extremely enjoyable.
They had problems with the sound during this filmed show. You can not even hear Howe. The mix is sh*t. Saw them do this show is Seattle it was the best show I have ever seen.
You can't expect this guy to ever be Rick Wakeman or even sound close. Other then Keith Emerson Rick is the greatest keyboard player in rock n roll ever
I don't mean Moraz isn't a great keyboardist (his work in relayer is amazing), but this sounds horrible! It's easy to see that this piece needs Rick Wakeman.
All of these guys are such consumate musicians. Anyone who is ripping into them here is doing so out of petty jealousy. This was the 70's, to pull off what either Moraz and certainly Wakeman took on takes brass cojones. Could not imagine trying to control all of that equipment at once. They were like manual sequencers. Famously Rick once trashed a Mellotron on stage when it fouled on him. My guess is that a roadie bumped something here during setup. You can see Partick's reaction immediately.
You can't fully blame Patrick, I mean keys don't really slip out of tune, but that section at 3:40 is horribly wrong. I think it must be very annoying for keyboardist like Moraz as they like to use lots of sounds, so getting it all right when it's not his composition and at a live show must be most difficult.
@SHSGuitars I can promise you that keys of the 70s do slip out of tune. If you don't believe me, try dropping a Korg Vocoder and retuning the b**tard! And synth VCOs were famously unstable until digital pitch stabilisation (DCOs) came in in the 80s, together with 100% digital synths.
@SHSGuitars Every instrument he's playing there - apart from the Hammond - can and will 'slip out of tune' due to either operator error or temperature/humidity variations.
@lifeseeker1 . . . ALL of his solos sound like his solo from Sound Chaser! And I'm a big fan of Mr. Moraz. I felt that he was in the band when Yes were really pushing the creative envelope beyond where Rick Wakeman was willing to go. However, after years of reflection and listening, Rick is THE quintessential keyboardist of Yes. I
Approx 3:11 Moraz jumps the next chord a measure too early. Unless, it's a tape of the pipe organ, ... (It does sound exactly like the pipes on yessongs version of this song).
Approx 3:40 it sounds like Moraz is having a rough time w/ the synth tuning.
Hard to say, but there may have been more going against him during this show than we can guess or figure out. Maybe we can't begin to appreciate how he got through it the way he did? Sure would love to hear his own words regarding this show.
@DonTerhune1200cc, "Sure would love to hear his own words regarding this show."
Respectfully, I was with you until this statement. I would assume—and would seriously hope—that the dude's got better things to do than sit around worrying about the tuning problems he may have experienced during a performance from over 35 years ago that just happened to survive as a bootleg! Just a thought...
I saw Patrick when I was living In Los Angeles. I lived in San Pedro and he did a one man show at a local "coffee" house on Gaffey street in the mid 1990's. Incredible show!
Pat Moraz sounds fine on this.........so what if a few notes aren't as perfect sounding as Wakeman........Moraz has his own style and it's actually refreshing to hear the song sound a bit different.......
Enough about poor Patrick he had a bad show. It happens.Lets get on Alan White for just a second here he's been getting away with murder for far too long now. He pretty much took everything Bruford did and dumbed it down to a point that it becomes offensive. And if anyone wants to bring up how great the drumming on tales and relayer, its your hopeless love for yes thats leading you all to believe something that isn't true. Not saying play it like Bruford but at least something as interesting.
i disagree, music is something which is living and breathing. Hey, YOU try stepping into WAKEMAN's shoes. I think the problem is more mid-range sound processing, not Moraz's fault. As for Steve, the picking thing I THINK is a call to increase the tempo, not showboating. Moraz's solos -- oh, surprise, his OWN, in the spirit of the piece and it becomes the tunes ANCHOR, without weighing it down.
Really: you want the same stuff all the time? Cue your recordings, they stay the same. Music LIVES
Moraz is Amazing !! I love everything he does here ! listen to the hi hats at the very end of this clip. Should we now have a huge dialogue about how Alan White ain't as good as Bruford. Listen to "Relayer" or "I" and get back to me.
@gargantua lol even big names have bad 'hear' days this is one of YES' whose fault? who can say .they did boot Patrick out rather quickly ,which he says he didn't expect, so....
I don't like Steve here, instead. Happens sometimes. He's too dirty and he runs on the strings lacking a bit of precision, IMHO. :-)
They're ALL OUT OF TUNE on the pipe organ section!!! This is because they run so late, and they can't get back... I thought the last one to blame here is Patrick... probably both Alan and Steve got it really wrong, as they're the ones who keep the beat...
Totally unfair criticism. Analog synths are incredibly difficult to keep in tune. The rapidity with which he recovers is testament to his virtuosity. Playing this tune live is a completely different world from recording it, and anyone who even tries has my respect. Of course, these days it's so much easier with digital synths, but still...
Thanks for sharing. Nice to see Moraz ripping it up.
Re: Out of tune instruments. Its just the Moog and anyone who ever owned one knows these machines were awful to keep in tune(I used to own a Moog so this comes from personal exp!). They were temperamental and as yet unrefined and raw unlike the guitar which had decades of time to perfect its flaws.
I also met Patrick a year ago in WA. He is the nicest, cordial and talented people I have met. Really not chip on his shoulder!
Supposedly Kieth Emerson found this guy, he's better than most on a bad day. his contribution to Relayer is phenomenal. Board recordings usually sound like crap until they're mixed properly.
That's a little harsh, the big problem with the whole QPR show is that, sadly, the mix is totally off, check out The Gates of Delirium or To Be Over too.
You can't expect two different musicians, who have a little respect for themselves, to sound exactly alike. Pat had an entirely different keyboard set than Rick. Also, I think playing a solo exactly like other musician does, is like sleeping with his wife.
All I can say is that if another drummer were to miraculously appear today who plays with the same fire and dynamics that Alan White used to play with back then, well, the world would be a much better place. Nobody played like him nor ever will again. Jeez.
Moraz didn't do that badly at all here, dudes. Jesus Christ. Do you think Wakeman would expect that his B3 soloing be perfectly matched?? So the synth was out of tune for a second. Big deal. The crowd wouldn't have even noticed. The fact that it was unjustly put up here on the Tube to be unfairly scrutinized and played over and over to find the slightest little imperfections is a disgrace! It was done only to elicit negative opinions. White butchers this much more than Pat ever could. -cont.-
Moraz's keyboard work for "Relayer" was great IMHO, tho. Couldn't imagine anyone else doing it. It brought them more to the fusion side which worked right then.
Please do not diss Patrick for the Minimoog being out of tune. I own an original Mini Model D and they are notorious for going out of tune. The original oscillators were thermally unstable. In winter, when setting up for a gig, I would plug in the Mini before anything else so the oscillators would warm up. Here Patrick retuned WHILE PLAYING THE SOLO which had to be done by hand! Lighten up, people!
how about the anniversary tour that used wakeman "technical problems" as a reason to shift into solo acts? i read it in reviews and then witnessed it- points have to go to the dead and to pink flloyd for creating technically epic sounds- several yes concerts i've been to sound has been an issue- it seems only last ten years we can expect true quality sound. at the abwh tour they fuckd up and you and i- that was funny- jon said it was cuz of the surrounding nature of santa barbaras bowl-nice!
I agree with patrickillian. I had already noticed this disaster. The attack of the well known church organ section is ridicule. But also I think that Moraz is, generally speaking, an interesting keyboardist, also in Refugee, and his effort in Relayer outstanding.
What Moraz did on Relayer is beyond any and all expectations on every track of that album. Music, even by "classic" standards, is supposed to be improvised on. The notion that music is supposed to be played exactly note by note needs to come to an end. How boring can you get if everyone play the same way every time? If you like a particular recording, go ahead, help yourself to it any time you want but, please, give other musicians a break and just let them be, OK?
Patrick gave us "The Gates of Delirum", and he supposedly wrote "Awaken", during the "going 4 the one" sessions. Leave this man alone; just because he is of Swiss desent, I suppose. Hail to the globalists, right. He does live in florida, if that makes u like him more!!!
The best and greatest typically don't get the credit they deserve. The mix is incredibly unflattering, NUMBER 1. Theys are way to high in the mix. Patrick Killian must be working for the department of defense to suggest that Patrick detroyed this version, Perhaps he just wants to instigate, with the intent of getting us hardcore YES fans to respond here.
This is so obviously backing track out of sync with the band. poor lads. Despite that, Moraz is incredibly adept, technically remarkable. This is LIVE, it's analog instruments, it's over 40 years ago. Listen to his c3 solo. He's a monster. and doesn't simply play arpeggios when improvising which really limited most of Rick Wakeman's solos.
Le problème est qu'il y a un sur-mixage des claviers en audio lorsque notamment la caméra est proche de Moraz. Autrement ses parties sont correctes, peut-être interprêtées avec moins de légèreté que l'aurait fait Wakeman, mais correctes tout de même! Le Steve Howe est monstrueux de feeling! Un gratteux de génie vraiment!
Wakeman is the man. period. I bought Patrick Moraz solo album, when Rick left YES thinkin he might continue the legacy... He really herts this song. Rick Wakeman is the Modern Day Mozart
I believe the 'out of tune' comment points toward the MiniMoog. Well, its NOT digital (way to early for that young technology), but pure analog and is known to run out of tune due to temp changes. Either from its own heat producing components in the cabinet, or outside temperature influences.
I have seen this happen at many concerts during the 70ies. StarCastle being one (O:
Say what you will about the Moraz/Wakeman pissing contest. Someone needs to post Wakeman's cover of Gates on the Going For The One tour. Moraz's errors here are a drop in the bucket by comparison.
@petsounds75 Who cares about a few little mistakes? These guys were playing at the very limits of their abilities. Who knows how many takes and overdubs there were in the studio
@petsounds75 Patrick Moraz is a great pianist/keyboardist (we can prove it listening the children's concerto), but "for me" it won't never rise the levels of Rick Wakeman (you can listen "The six wives of Henry VIII", and in particular "Jane Seymour")...(excuse me for my bad english grammar, but I'm italian)... goodbye!!
I got a VHS copy of this in the early 80s and it sounds as bad today or maybe worse since its a bit more clear than my old copy. Patrick is a wonderful keyboardist but very odd at times, To his credit he did say that he had a very difficult time getting Rick and even Tonys parts right. CTTE is pretty well butchered here for a few reasons some are his playing style and some are technical. His really work was great at this show.
Not only does he not destroy it but, IMHO, he goes much more experimental then Rick ever was. Moraz is a much more (or was in YES) inventive keyboardist then Wakeman. I regret he left Yes and would have been curious of what he could have brought. Wakeman was bringing Yes back instead of going forward when he came back
I agree entirely Moraz was not about to copy Wakeman. His work on Relayer is second to none. I've seen Yes 8 times and the best performance I can remember was 1976 at Cobo Arena, Detroit. Moraz had it right on the money
I saw this tour and it was great. I generally prefer the style of Wakeman for this band, but Moraz was a welcome departure. Very jazzy, and you can even hear it on this clip, despite the technical flaws. (and p.s. who COULD keep a synth in tune back then? I had an Odyssey that would drift all the time!) The imporant point here is that they are both part of the history of Yes, and should be construed as an "and" rather than an "or". My unworthy $.02.
Pois eu adorei ver imagens da epoca alem de ser diferente com o Moraz que tem estilo proprio e nao tinha o mesmo entrozamento com a banda quanto o Wakeman tem ate hoje. Moraz querido no Brasil.
More a case of technical problems with the hardware than technical deficiencies from Moraz. Patrick Moraz is a genius, and more than capable of tackling Wakeman's parts.
I'd be interested to know how much rehearsal they had with Moraz before this gig. There are lots of mistakes and some of the playing and sounds are mediocre. Wakeman must have left the band fairly recently based on the date of this clip.
Moraz played at Loftus Road, Wakeman didnt he wanted out. I was at that concert and it sounded great, even with a few beers inside me. Its live, its for the moment and all about Morazs interpretation. I think he done well, because Wakemans boots and ego are tough to fill, and I went home happy.
Perhaps more rehearsing and less noodling would've helped, but we can forgive that - after all, he's a super musician. The real problem is White's drumming! This whole piece is moved along by Bruford's incomprable rhythm and understated swing. For me, this piece doesn't work without Bruford.
couldn't agree more -- and i love alan white's dromming! i just never felt it fit the material from Fragile and Close to the edge particularly well...
@popliphaha I agree. That's why I never liked the live version from Yessongs, along with the unnecessary key change of the end section, which ruins it for me.
@AllShreddersSuck We are just fans of Yes music. As said in video description, Moraz is a great keyboardist but in this music things were wrong. This is just our opinion and you may agree or not. Just it.
Well what can I say, he definetly ( Patrick) changed the whole structure of the solo, quite different, perhaps he did not destroyed the whole song, but in order to play YES you have to be quite accurate on its compexity otherwise it wouldn't be YES, at least he applied some emotion to his effort, or at least that's waht it seems like in this video, but he definetly should've rehearsed a lot before going to the stage and play a masterpiece like this one ...
Wow, what an awful solo. Has nothing to do with what's going on at the same time! Moraz is horribly overrated. Look how much comes down to simple downward triplets and chromatic scales. It's called Noodling.
The Mix is Way Bad, But the performance is Priceless, This was Yes's Heyday, and we should all just be greatful this was recorded. Seems someone here has a Hatin' Thing going on for Moraz.
Wow, Patrick Moraz "Destroying Close to the Edge" ??? Great video but ignorant title for this youtube video... do you really think the computerized keyboards are out of tune? Or maybe Jon Chris Steve and Allen hired the wrong guy? What do they know about replacing Wakeman? Sure can't be the shitty audio mix of live 70's performances. That damn Patrick Moraz!!!
A "computerized keyboard" can be detuned. If you check exactly at 3:35 he tries to adjust the tune, but.... He sounds in this MASTERPIECE out of tune in many parts. An unfortunate performance.
REALSLIPP u are crazy to say moraz even comes close to rick wakeman stop it wakeman never and i mean never screwed up like moraz did here. Believe me i know
I'm sorry...Patrick Moraz is a badass. What dill weed put this up on youtube? Can you replace Wakeman? Can you play the life-changing solo near the end of Soundchaser? Did you play keys on RELAYER? You're an anal putz for posting this.
I have the whole concert, and I have to say that I think Moraz played most of the other material (especially the Relayer stuff) brilliantly. This is his worst performance of the night by a wide margin.
The organ solo before the recapitulation is especially bad. Maybe he's making fun of Rick and his prominent use of pentatonic scales when soloing? Regardless, I'm sure he's just going through the motions. When Rick plays this solo, it sounds like he's channeling spectres from another dimension.
gimme a break..1:52..he misses the cue... the attack of the notes is wrong..he's all over the place..
it's probably his style that doesn't addapt to Wakeman's way of playing but being a 30 years guitar player, i can see where he should have done his homework..the title to the video is bang on
This show is notorious for having a terrible mix from a recorded perspective (it may have sounded great to the audience...don't know...wasn't there...)
i was at the concert in liverpool the week before and the playing was all fine. i'm putting this down to the soundboard mix - takes a few tracks to settle down. no biggy :)
My opinion is we should not judge this unless we could listen to a correct mix. The sound (not the performance IMO) of this show is horrible. I hope the audience at the venue could listen to it properly, but the broadcast mix is a massacre.
I'd love to listen to some other show from this era to know how Moraz's crazy lines fit in Wakeman songs.
Moraz also seemed rather proud of his keyboard "batting" stunt. It's showboat but not very musical. The correct notes in the opening part of CTTE (with the four triplets) is to play the same triplets as the bass and guitar doubletime one octave up. Moraz substituted his keyboard batting for that, so it didn't have quite the same spark.
I think he had a close enough organ sound on the Hammond, but the effects were all wrong so it sounded punchy, not smooth and pipe-organ like.
The right thing to do would have been to learn Wakeman's version note for note before doing his own thing, but he obviously didn't do that. He was also premature on a few chord changes, causing him to clash but live music has mistakes if you listen for them. I think the worst part was when there was way too much vibrato on the synth line - Moraz didn't know how to correct it. He might be good on the keys, but there is more to playing keyboards - you also have to know the equipment.
I have played keyboards on Close to the Edge in high school bands in the late 70's, but as a nobody, I was always careful to try to be faithful to Wakeman's work.
I think Moraz didn't show due respect for Wakeman's definition of the song in the organ solo, but on the other hand, he had his work cut out for him trying to learn everything by the time this was made.
For god sake guys...its amazing how people enjoy comparing one musician to another....both are great musicians....he was playing with his own style, of course its not wakeman, but its not CRAP as ure saying.... take it easy.. its the same to make comparations between allan white and bruford...they are not the same person, of course they will sound different...just because u like one more than the other doesent mean that the other one is shit
Moraz did a very poor job on this performance. very poor His best work was on Relayer, where his contributution was a great fit. Excellent work. When he was with the Moody Blues he could not replace Pinders writing.
Moraz STOMPS Wakeman on so many levels it's a friggin' joke. Waaayyyyy better musician and technician. Best keyboardist Yes ever had by a zillion miles. End of story. Amazing amount of loomers on here who don't know a B3 from a Novatron.
Knowing a B3 from a Novatron has nothing to with critical appreciation of what comes out the speakers. If it did roadies would be musicians! Sounds like you know more about the tec than the technique.
The old analog Arps and Moogs were usually going out of tune, I believe because the oscillators were managed "manually" for lack of a better term. Someone else can probably give a better explanation.
it's really not that bad if the volume is turned half way down... I'm guessing the keyboard sounds were edited in this video so the point of this song being "destroyed" would get through...
Yes was always about the music. i dont think they give a crap if their instruments are out of tune or whatever. playing 10 minute songs with such complexity and musical geinus, is what todays generation is lacking. and Im part of this generation. music today is 3 minute songs with music videos with sex related ideals. We need more bands like Yes
You have to give PM a break on this one. He's a fantastic musician who helped write on of their best albums. There's a reason they hardly play Gates or Soundchaser live anymore. That shit is tight.
I think he deliberately detuned the synth. The problem is that he is way too in front in the mix. This recording has bad levels, if the guitars and drums,etc. were at appropriate levels then the synth would not stand out like a sore thumb.
Patrick's solos here are too bluesy (and bad blues), very improvisated, sloppy, without head or feet, the level of music creation is too low, only scales, he had mistakes and his sounds are very cheesie.
All keyboard players of yes created their own solos for every tour, this one just seems to be te worst of them.
Moraz is a fine pianist, just hear Relayer and you can see, but no one can deny this was bad.
man this shit is great! i think Moraz had a much more interesting input than Wakeman, don't get me wrong, both are legends, but how can you deny all of the creative synth sounds on Relayer, his sound is very playful and colorful. Pat is what makes Relayer my favorite album by Yes
BalloonAnimalFarm 4 months ago 3
Moraz is an amazing talent. Many here with some technical savvy point out the early synths having tuning issues. Also, please note that tape recordings (meaing taping of the show itself) also have flutter that affects the higher frequency stuff you're not going to notice it much on bass and guitar. My point is it probably didn't sound that as "sharp" at the show in person.
ebrules311 4 months ago
Not his day!! That was a great solo! Get some ears, dude...
MMOAvideos 5 months ago
I was like: "Why the negative comments this isn't so b—holy shit, what the fuck is he doing?"
Petruccibear 5 months ago
Well! When we listen this, we forget that, in fact, are a lot of channels missing here. But, anyway, Moraz is a fantastic player. But he is not going well here anyway.
CarlloLombardo 5 months ago
I dont think Patrick Moraz (an outstanding keyboardist) "destroyed" Close to the Edge. I think there are parts of CttE that are untouchable and Moraz "touched' them.
cissmjg 5 months ago
Glad to see I'm not the only one who hated Patrick's "interpretations" of Yes music. In this one, he just goes off, seemingly oblivious to the song they're playing.
soundofflute 5 months ago
Moraz added a great energy to live Yes---and he played the music with his own style---CTTE didn't work well as it is such a tight composition---but his Ritual was much better than the original.
gyppy1715 5 months ago
i dont understand was wrong here guys , i just like it.
KillingLies1 5 months ago
It's lovely seeing Chris Squire being himself.
snowypetrel 6 months ago
rick akeman was the man not moraz
nate3335 6 months ago
he qill never be a wakeman
nate3335 6 months ago
I'm a keyboard player, and I've gotta say it....this isn't the end of the world. It seems like something was coming from a loop in the background during the "I get up I get down" thing that set EVERYBODY off, and there were two small tuning errors that I noticed....VERY far from "destroying" Close to the Edge. VERY. Patrick Moraz is awesome.
DomValela 6 months ago
Moraz is better than Wakeman but this day is hell for him !
iade38 6 months ago
He played great but there were some sound issues all through the first half of the show and the acoustic set. The only thing pat really failed on was playing along with the taped background to "I Get Up I Get Down" in time. Things dont even out until And You And I much later in the show. Listen to his piano solo from this and tell me it wasn't his day then!
DJEricBliss 7 months ago
Moraz was out of tune less than a second....and who cares.... he could be off 3 days if he wished and this music always will sound superior to today´s Mtv shit in perfect tune!!!!!
cuerpoeperra 7 months ago 2
Whatever happens, he was on Relayer. He has a pardon from any crime as far as I'm concerned
jeevesthepunk 7 months ago
Every time I see the title...I laugh. Couldn't be more true.
NYver4get 7 months ago
Ummm...the only thing "wrong" here is the sound of the Mini Moog. in the last part, Moraz improvised a solo rather than copying Wakeman's (and Moraz is a terrific improvisor) and he favored different textures on the Hammond than Wakeman. I like Wakeman, but when you hire a guy as talented as Moraz, you expect him to bring something of his own style to the material, not just copy Wakeman.
GaryXGomes 8 months ago 12
I sold my ARP 2600 back in the day (1991) cuz even though I loved it, I had to take it in to the shop $120 dlls once or twice a year to get the oscillators re-calibrated.
asarapi 8 months ago
I was just reading some comments about Patrick Moraz & the negative things regarding his playing here in this video... First of all anyone with half a brain & being a true Yes fan would know that their music is very intricate & not very easy to play especially live.... their timing has to be impeccable... & I don't give a shit how much of a professional you are you will have your off days & nights no matter what it is just a fact.. Patrick Moraz is an excellent musician period...
ogrebattle22763 8 months ago 3
Thumbs up if you believe they had some serious monitoring problems during this show! (Even Jon Anderson sings out of tune occasionally)
MoneyMoog 9 months ago
Cannot believe the anal ignorant vitriol of this stuff - speaking as a live keyboard player. Moraz was my inspiration, Emerson was cold and Wakeman kitsch. I hardly ever listened to Yes after Moraz left / was pushed but I still play Story of I and Relayer. Moraz was the future but they preferred to stay in the box.
MrBeastleader 9 months ago
Well he sucked here, but he was and is a great great musician.
A bad day can't define a musician.
plasticPlaystation 9 months ago
@plasticPlaystation Your absolutely right....... Patrick Moraz is excellent....
ogrebattle22763 8 months ago
Rick Wakeman, he is NOT.
tdhunt87 9 months ago
I've seen so much footage of Moraz doing Wakeman and vise versa that my conclusion is:
Moraz is not capable of playing Wakeman and Wakeman is not capable of playing Moraz.
Final note: Wakeman is a Yes musical soul mate, Moraz is simply not. Sorry Pat!
gigantorrrrrr 9 months ago
Aww man, I'm a player and built my first synth from an Aries kit, I had to leave a space next to one oscillator so I could adjust the trim pot in realtime to keep it in tune. Everybody has bad days, and Moraz is no exception. When I saw Wakeman try to emulate the orchestral parts from Magnification he was reading it first of all, and it was clam city in there I gotta tell you. And yes this rendition is Awful, but it was REAL, Nowadays, there's a lot of lipsyncing going on out there.
benzudamusic 10 months ago
Moraz is like me--he lost patience with Mini-Moogs that were not "serviced." This might have been one of THOSE nights, and I've had "many with the Mini." You had to remove the bottom of the Mini, clean the buss bars with a cotton swab and denatured alcohol, then straighten the plastic contacts so that they weren't angling to one side or the other. If you didn't, the thing would go "woo-OOOO" all on its own. Wouldn't stay in tune, either; sensitive to voltage and temperature. VCOs, you know.
TygerTyger50 10 months ago
moog issue? welcome in the '70. it's not all moraz' fault, after all.
piafounet 10 months ago
Analog synthesizers get out of tune in about 1 -2 hours when oscillators get heated. Need to the tuned again. My question to you: how'd Patrick tune the keyboards in the middle of the song????
ceboluga 10 months ago
Ever play a Moog? They go out of tune constantly. That's why they have that handy tuning knob right on the top of the console.
curiousted 10 months ago 9
strange day, Moraz is totally out of tune !!
iade38 10 months ago
Some dude in cardiff ad that set above Alan White in his garden. (the mushroom)
wispa1a 10 months ago
If you and your friends are fans of music by Yes, why do this?
Do you have any idea of the complexities that Moraz had to deal with in this situation .
It just bothers me that you'd go out of your way to dis Moraz.
Why not talk about what a litigious , heartless bastard Squire is?
Why not talk about how they all collectively abandoned Jon?
Why not talk about how Oliver Wakeman can't fill dads' shoe's?
Why not talk about totally inadequate substitutes for Jon?
OR don't say anything at all.
AllShreddersSuck 11 months ago
What an absurd title! It's an outrage to say Pat Moraz is destroying Close to the Edge! Read my two paragraphs below this post to what I think the problem was! Pat is an excellent musician and does NOT destroy music!
moonchard 11 months ago
Hands up who actually saw Yes, Refugee, Flash, Badger..?
I thought not.
OK.
Argent. Greenslade. Fruupp. Trace. Curved Air?
None of you?
Last chance.
Isotope. The National Health. Gong? CAMEL?
Manwomanmanfredfuckingmann?
TheMandragoraBCN 11 months ago
@TheMandragoraBCN My hand is raised for the first four. Also saw Gong, Camel, Argent, and Curved Air.
Great list you have there.
And if anyone doubts Patrick's musical ability just buy The Story Of i. And listen to it in one sitting start to finish.
discoverytime1 10 months ago
That particular synth was obviously out of tune. This can be and was often due to temperature fluctuations and something that many analogue keyboards suffer from. Secondly, the mix wasn't good with the offending keyboard being particularly loud. Thirdly, that was a bad recording. Also, when a musician plays live in a band, it can be difficult to know if you are in tune due to inaccurate monitoring levels.
moonchard 11 months ago
Yes in Rotterdam had the same PA problems,horrible sound.
Keysmusic 11 months ago
Of course you are entitled to your opinion but to accuse a musician of destroying something he's not responsible for is ridiculous. You obviously know very little about musicianship, instruments, live performance and sound mixing. Once again, this just goes to show how ignorant some people are!
moonchard 11 months ago 2
hm... i was in that concert.... I felt so excited about seeing YES for the first time that i didn't realise some parts didn't sound quite right...
Oh well... shit happens and Moraz is a fine musician anyway...
MrLizardisle 11 months ago
I beg to differ with the scathing criticism of Patrick Moraz' performance here. The first trip through the big organ chorus sounded a bit thin the first time on the B3, but the second time around was lush and the solo spotlight sounded like the record. The crap mix is the culprit.
Moraz was a very creative influence, and at a critical time, since Rick split from the band. I'm as crazy about Rick Wakeman as they come, but Pat's short stint with Yes was colorful, crazy and extremely enjoyable.
4umtator 11 months ago
Is this video actually "Yes Shreds"?
jcwaia 11 months ago
They had problems with the sound during this filmed show. You can not even hear Howe. The mix is sh*t. Saw them do this show is Seattle it was the best show I have ever seen.
intruder1960 11 months ago
You can't expect this guy to ever be Rick Wakeman or even sound close. Other then Keith Emerson Rick is the greatest keyboard player in rock n roll ever
Fairlynormalme 11 months ago
I don't mean Moraz isn't a great keyboardist (his work in relayer is amazing), but this sounds horrible! It's easy to see that this piece needs Rick Wakeman.
UliMusic1993 11 months ago
These guys are great...their music is timeless...so what if one of them did not play it the way we remember it. Appreciate the MUSIC OF YES
coolyhigh100 1 year ago
Shit happens.
ModemTalking 1 year ago 2
All of these guys are such consumate musicians. Anyone who is ripping into them here is doing so out of petty jealousy. This was the 70's, to pull off what either Moraz and certainly Wakeman took on takes brass cojones. Could not imagine trying to control all of that equipment at once. They were like manual sequencers. Famously Rick once trashed a Mellotron on stage when it fouled on him. My guess is that a roadie bumped something here during setup. You can see Partick's reaction immediately.
bent139 1 year ago 3
@bent139
Agreed! Patrick also made a quick recovery (as far as moogs are concerned)!
gaarack 6 months ago
He was all high on opening chess moves.
wjhandy 1 year ago
It's easy to be critical in hindsight, 2010. But realize that when this was happening live, all the band and most of the audience was stoned anyway.
TMouse2007 1 year ago
You can't fully blame Patrick, I mean keys don't really slip out of tune, but that section at 3:40 is horribly wrong. I think it must be very annoying for keyboardist like Moraz as they like to use lots of sounds, so getting it all right when it's not his composition and at a live show must be most difficult.
SHSGuitars 1 year ago
@SHSGuitars I can promise you that keys of the 70s do slip out of tune. If you don't believe me, try dropping a Korg Vocoder and retuning the b**tard! And synth VCOs were famously unstable until digital pitch stabilisation (DCOs) came in in the 80s, together with 100% digital synths.
thisisnev 1 year ago
@SHSGuitars Every instrument he's playing there - apart from the Hammond - can and will 'slip out of tune' due to either operator error or temperature/humidity variations.
noddyspuncture 11 months ago
I rather like Patrick Moraz, but dear lord, what the heck was he playing?
It wasn't Close To The Edge..
His CTTE solo sounded like the keyboard solo,
tonally and stylistically, from Sound Chaser.
lifeseeker1 1 year ago
@lifeseeker1 . . . ALL of his solos sound like his solo from Sound Chaser! And I'm a big fan of Mr. Moraz. I felt that he was in the band when Yes were really pushing the creative envelope beyond where Rick Wakeman was willing to go. However, after years of reflection and listening, Rick is THE quintessential keyboardist of Yes. I
davidlandry4584 1 year ago
THIS IS PAINFUL !!
lifeseeker1 1 year ago
Approx 3:11 Moraz jumps the next chord a measure too early. Unless, it's a tape of the pipe organ, ... (It does sound exactly like the pipes on yessongs version of this song).
Approx 3:40 it sounds like Moraz is having a rough time w/ the synth tuning.
Hard to say, but there may have been more going against him during this show than we can guess or figure out. Maybe we can't begin to appreciate how he got through it the way he did? Sure would love to hear his own words regarding this show.
DonTerhune1200cc 1 year ago
@DonTerhune1200cc, "Sure would love to hear his own words regarding this show."
Respectfully, I was with you until this statement. I would assume—and would seriously hope—that the dude's got better things to do than sit around worrying about the tuning problems he may have experienced during a performance from over 35 years ago that just happened to survive as a bootleg! Just a thought...
idealtypical 1 year ago
I saw Patrick when I was living In Los Angeles. I lived in San Pedro and he did a one man show at a local "coffee" house on Gaffey street in the mid 1990's. Incredible show!
PANDOSING 1 year ago
Patrick Moraz is one of the greatest keyboard players in the world.
We played together for many years.
ronnieciago 1 year ago
mehh not bad, sounded pretty good for a 1970's recording
TheConnord12 1 year ago
Anderson looks like a stinking hippie with that beard.
CatapultYourMom 1 year ago
Pat Moraz sounds fine on this.........so what if a few notes aren't as perfect sounding as Wakeman........Moraz has his own style and it's actually refreshing to hear the song sound a bit different.......
bubbabubbabooba 1 year ago
Destroying? Well - Moraz is just Moraz, playing a lot of fast, pale notes without any musical expression.
anonymusum 1 year ago
Enough about poor Patrick he had a bad show. It happens.Lets get on Alan White for just a second here he's been getting away with murder for far too long now. He pretty much took everything Bruford did and dumbed it down to a point that it becomes offensive. And if anyone wants to bring up how great the drumming on tales and relayer, its your hopeless love for yes thats leading you all to believe something that isn't true. Not saying play it like Bruford but at least something as interesting.
MrImgoodonthat 1 year ago
@MrImgoodonthat I happen to love Tales, but I'd REALLY love to hear how Bruford would have interpreted it.
blickumblickum 1 year ago
Solo at 4:52 by Patrick is outstanding. He's not trying to be Wakeman here.
Chorddual1 1 year ago 2
i disagree, music is something which is living and breathing. Hey, YOU try stepping into WAKEMAN's shoes. I think the problem is more mid-range sound processing, not Moraz's fault. As for Steve, the picking thing I THINK is a call to increase the tempo, not showboating. Moraz's solos -- oh, surprise, his OWN, in the spirit of the piece and it becomes the tunes ANCHOR, without weighing it down.
Really: you want the same stuff all the time? Cue your recordings, they stay the same. Music LIVES
str8ngrrr 1 year ago
Moraz is Amazing !! I love everything he does here ! listen to the hi hats at the very end of this clip. Should we now have a huge dialogue about how Alan White ain't as good as Bruford. Listen to "Relayer" or "I" and get back to me.
biotonk 1 year ago
@gargantua lol even big names have bad 'hear' days this is one of YES' whose fault? who can say .they did boot Patrick out rather quickly ,which he says he didn't expect, so....
jsilence418 1 year ago
I don't like Steve here, instead. Happens sometimes. He's too dirty and he runs on the strings lacking a bit of precision, IMHO. :-)
They're ALL OUT OF TUNE on the pipe organ section!!! This is because they run so late, and they can't get back... I thought the last one to blame here is Patrick... probably both Alan and Steve got it really wrong, as they're the ones who keep the beat...
220773 1 year ago
I don't like Steve here, instead. Happens sometimes. He's too dirty and he runs on the strings lacking a bit of precision, IMHO. :-)
220773 1 year ago
@220773 : A bad day of fishing beats a good day of work, ..... and a bad day of Steve beats a good day of (most) of guitarists.
DonTerhune1200cc 1 year ago
Ouch!
"Destroy" is too strong a word though... It was just a bad performance.
Progman3K 1 year ago
I agree is not fair to blame someone ´cause of sound problems. It´s a live performance & many things can happen.
zzzzzzzz594 1 year ago
filling someone's shoes...stinky business
leutdan 1 year ago
Uuuuuh.But I think the sound engineer has to take some of the blame. Everybody sounds like crap
zilje24 1 year ago
Keith Emerson supposedly discovered this guy, he's better than most on a bad day.
Chorddual1 1 year ago
Totally unfair criticism. Analog synths are incredibly difficult to keep in tune. The rapidity with which he recovers is testament to his virtuosity. Playing this tune live is a completely different world from recording it, and anyone who even tries has my respect. Of course, these days it's so much easier with digital synths, but still...
mchampag 1 year ago
i like it when Jon rips the maracas out of pat's hand near the beginning of this wonderful show. relayer and oceans live 4ever!!!!!
starchild70 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing. Nice to see Moraz ripping it up.
Re: Out of tune instruments. Its just the Moog and anyone who ever owned one knows these machines were awful to keep in tune(I used to own a Moog so this comes from personal exp!). They were temperamental and as yet unrefined and raw unlike the guitar which had decades of time to perfect its flaws.
I also met Patrick a year ago in WA. He is the nicest, cordial and talented people I have met. Really not chip on his shoulder!
boollib 1 year ago
even though he kinda screwed this one up you still have to give Patrick Moraz kudos for his great work on Relayer--
davelewitt 1 year ago
Supposedly Kieth Emerson found this guy, he's better than most on a bad day. his contribution to Relayer is phenomenal. Board recordings usually sound like crap until they're mixed properly.
Chorddual1 1 year ago
I liked it. It's a refreshing change.
dkongvert7 1 year ago
That's a little harsh, the big problem with the whole QPR show is that, sadly, the mix is totally off, check out The Gates of Delirium or To Be Over too.
You can't expect two different musicians, who have a little respect for themselves, to sound exactly alike. Pat had an entirely different keyboard set than Rick. Also, I think playing a solo exactly like other musician does, is like sleeping with his wife.
siremaesta 1 year ago
Just got a remastered copy of this performance ( full concert )and the keyboardist does bite ( suck )
powerman5000ca 1 year ago
Just got a remastered copy of this performance ( full concert )and the keyboardist does bite ( suck )
powerman5000ca 1 year ago
All I can say is that if another drummer were to miraculously appear today who plays with the same fire and dynamics that Alan White used to play with back then, well, the world would be a much better place. Nobody played like him nor ever will again. Jeez.
wileyboy60 1 year ago
@nibiru48 4. these songs are fucking hard and LONG
benjaminshinobi 1 year ago
Moraz didn't do that badly at all here, dudes. Jesus Christ. Do you think Wakeman would expect that his B3 soloing be perfectly matched?? So the synth was out of tune for a second. Big deal. The crowd wouldn't have even noticed. The fact that it was unjustly put up here on the Tube to be unfairly scrutinized and played over and over to find the slightest little imperfections is a disgrace! It was done only to elicit negative opinions. White butchers this much more than Pat ever could. -cont.-
kokakolakidd 1 year ago
Moraz's keyboard work for "Relayer" was great IMHO, tho. Couldn't imagine anyone else doing it. It brought them more to the fusion side which worked right then.
bummer1238 1 year ago
@bummer1238 I agree with you...though I love Wakeman, Moraz's playing on Relayer was outstanding--as was Alan White's--and I'm a HUGE Bruford fan!
Actually...truth be known...Relayer is one of my favourite YES albums.
Bongofury361 1 year ago
Please do not diss Patrick for the Minimoog being out of tune. I own an original Mini Model D and they are notorious for going out of tune. The original oscillators were thermally unstable. In winter, when setting up for a gig, I would plug in the Mini before anything else so the oscillators would warm up. Here Patrick retuned WHILE PLAYING THE SOLO which had to be done by hand! Lighten up, people!
Canadarago 1 year ago
I think he did a great job. Tough song to play lots of time changes.
mattsynth 1 year ago
how about the anniversary tour that used wakeman "technical problems" as a reason to shift into solo acts? i read it in reviews and then witnessed it- points have to go to the dead and to pink flloyd for creating technically epic sounds- several yes concerts i've been to sound has been an issue- it seems only last ten years we can expect true quality sound. at the abwh tour they fuckd up and you and i- that was funny- jon said it was cuz of the surrounding nature of santa barbaras bowl-nice!
podingl 1 year ago
I agree with patrickillian. I had already noticed this disaster. The attack of the well known church organ section is ridicule. But also I think that Moraz is, generally speaking, an interesting keyboardist, also in Refugee, and his effort in Relayer outstanding.
fantakustube 1 year ago
He's actually doing a fine job of it. The recording is way out of balance as are most live performance recordings.
3salamanders 1 year ago
What Moraz did on Relayer is beyond any and all expectations on every track of that album. Music, even by "classic" standards, is supposed to be improvised on. The notion that music is supposed to be played exactly note by note needs to come to an end. How boring can you get if everyone play the same way every time? If you like a particular recording, go ahead, help yourself to it any time you want but, please, give other musicians a break and just let them be, OK?
PhilistineTheArtLuvr 1 year ago
the only problem with all that stuff in that yes show is BAD mix,
nakedlunch9 1 year ago
I thought this sounded really good
cruzn246 1 year ago
Patrick gave us "The Gates of Delirum", and he supposedly wrote "Awaken", during the "going 4 the one" sessions. Leave this man alone; just because he is of Swiss desent, I suppose. Hail to the globalists, right. He does live in florida, if that makes u like him more!!!
TheArbiter74 1 year ago
The best and greatest typically don't get the credit they deserve. The mix is incredibly unflattering, NUMBER 1. Theys are way to high in the mix. Patrick Killian must be working for the department of defense to suggest that Patrick detroyed this version, Perhaps he just wants to instigate, with the intent of getting us hardcore YES fans to respond here.
TheArbiter74 1 year ago
This is so obviously backing track out of sync with the band. poor lads. Despite that, Moraz is incredibly adept, technically remarkable. This is LIVE, it's analog instruments, it's over 40 years ago. Listen to his c3 solo. He's a monster. and doesn't simply play arpeggios when improvising which really limited most of Rick Wakeman's solos.
karlfest 1 year ago
Le problème est qu'il y a un sur-mixage des claviers en audio lorsque notamment la caméra est proche de Moraz. Autrement ses parties sont correctes, peut-être interprêtées avec moins de légèreté que l'aurait fait Wakeman, mais correctes tout de même! Le Steve Howe est monstrueux de feeling! Un gratteux de génie vraiment!
Ilusnemac 1 year ago
perfectly in tune, donno what the fuss is about.
ehudbanne 1 year ago
Wakeman is the man. period. I bought Patrick Moraz solo album, when Rick left YES thinkin he might continue the legacy... He really herts this song. Rick Wakeman is the Modern Day Mozart
gofnas3 1 year ago
me gusta esta versión... de eso se trata el rock progresivo
respondepuh 1 year ago
I believe the 'out of tune' comment points toward the MiniMoog. Well, its NOT digital (way to early for that young technology), but pure analog and is known to run out of tune due to temp changes. Either from its own heat producing components in the cabinet, or outside temperature influences.
I have seen this happen at many concerts during the 70ies. StarCastle being one (O:
gsmithcs60 1 year ago
Say what you will about the Moraz/Wakeman pissing contest. Someone needs to post Wakeman's cover of Gates on the Going For The One tour. Moraz's errors here are a drop in the bucket by comparison.
petsounds75 1 year ago 4
@petsounds75 Who cares about a few little mistakes? These guys were playing at the very limits of their abilities. Who knows how many takes and overdubs there were in the studio
ajdicks 1 year ago
@petsounds75 Patrick Moraz is a great pianist/keyboardist (we can prove it listening the children's concerto), but "for me" it won't never rise the levels of Rick Wakeman (you can listen "The six wives of Henry VIII", and in particular "Jane Seymour")...(excuse me for my bad english grammar, but I'm italian)... goodbye!!
rickwakeman97 10 months ago
@rickwakeman97 anch'io sono italiano!! ^^
notnowjon 10 months ago
No.
baward 1 year ago
I got a VHS copy of this in the early 80s and it sounds as bad today or maybe worse since its a bit more clear than my old copy. Patrick is a wonderful keyboardist but very odd at times, To his credit he did say that he had a very difficult time getting Rick and even Tonys parts right. CTTE is pretty well butchered here for a few reasons some are his playing style and some are technical. His really work was great at this show.
BrentMB79 1 year ago
Not only does he not destroy it but, IMHO, he goes much more experimental then Rick ever was. Moraz is a much more (or was in YES) inventive keyboardist then Wakeman. I regret he left Yes and would have been curious of what he could have brought. Wakeman was bringing Yes back instead of going forward when he came back
Rowenband 2 years ago
I agree entirely Moraz was not about to copy Wakeman. His work on Relayer is second to none. I've seen Yes 8 times and the best performance I can remember was 1976 at Cobo Arena, Detroit. Moraz had it right on the money
westpalmscott 2 years ago 2
How do you explain the out of tune situation?The wrong note choise, and etc etc etc?
CarlloLombardo 2 years ago
I saw this tour and it was great. I generally prefer the style of Wakeman for this band, but Moraz was a welcome departure. Very jazzy, and you can even hear it on this clip, despite the technical flaws. (and p.s. who COULD keep a synth in tune back then? I had an Odyssey that would drift all the time!) The imporant point here is that they are both part of the history of Yes, and should be construed as an "and" rather than an "or". My unworthy $.02.
davidwbartz 2 years ago
close enough for jazz
pardon the pun
pzolsky 2 years ago
too bad no one could be bothered to properly capture this genus class material while the muse was hot. this stuff was pure witchcraft
weeeendog 2 years ago
Pois eu adorei ver imagens da epoca alem de ser diferente com o Moraz que tem estilo proprio e nao tinha o mesmo entrozamento com a banda quanto o Wakeman tem ate hoje. Moraz querido no Brasil.
Edsongs1964 2 years ago
More a case of technical problems with the hardware than technical deficiencies from Moraz. Patrick Moraz is a genius, and more than capable of tackling Wakeman's parts.
dimocomix 2 years ago 2
Very funny video.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaahhahaahahahah!
CarlloLombardo 2 years ago
"When Rick plays this solo, it sounds like he's channeling spectres from another dimension."
well said.
shekkythebastard 2 years ago
slappin' da keyboard mon
kirbyy 2 years ago
I'd be interested to know how much rehearsal they had with Moraz before this gig. There are lots of mistakes and some of the playing and sounds are mediocre. Wakeman must have left the band fairly recently based on the date of this clip.
funkyjones 2 years ago
Moraz played at Loftus Road, Wakeman didnt he wanted out. I was at that concert and it sounded great, even with a few beers inside me. Its live, its for the moment and all about Morazs interpretation. I think he done well, because Wakemans boots and ego are tough to fill, and I went home happy.
DrJetty 2 years ago 2
Perhaps more rehearsing and less noodling would've helped, but we can forgive that - after all, he's a super musician. The real problem is White's drumming! This whole piece is moved along by Bruford's incomprable rhythm and understated swing. For me, this piece doesn't work without Bruford.
popliphaha 2 years ago 4
couldn't agree more -- and i love alan white's dromming! i just never felt it fit the material from Fragile and Close to the edge particularly well...
jamey523 2 years ago
@popliphaha Yeah Bill Brufford was driving this beat much harder, not this laid back style
dockaiser 11 months ago
@popliphaha I agree. That's why I never liked the live version from Yessongs, along with the unnecessary key change of the end section, which ruins it for me.
Mikemaniax 11 months ago
@Mikemaniax and @popliphaha
You're both douchebags. Disrespecting accomplished musicians in live production scenarios.
What do you do for a living? You both suffer from "life failure complex".
Wannabe's, never will and never can be, so they decide to be critics.
And for Patrickillian, you're an asshole for doing this.
I'm no Yes fanatic, but who the hell are you people to judge someone in a position where YOU"D SHIT YOUR DIAPER!
Talk to me. I know Jon, and I've met Steve and Bruford. FUCK YOU
AllShreddersSuck 11 months ago
@AllShreddersSuck We are just fans of Yes music. As said in video description, Moraz is a great keyboardist but in this music things were wrong. This is just our opinion and you may agree or not. Just it.
Patrickillian 11 months ago
@popliphaha Amen!
AllShreddersSuck 9 months ago
Oh God, he just noodled over the whole solo. Man... now I'm depressed..
InterstellarSandbox 2 years ago
Well what can I say, he definetly ( Patrick) changed the whole structure of the solo, quite different, perhaps he did not destroyed the whole song, but in order to play YES you have to be quite accurate on its compexity otherwise it wouldn't be YES, at least he applied some emotion to his effort, or at least that's waht it seems like in this video, but he definetly should've rehearsed a lot before going to the stage and play a masterpiece like this one ...
trevizons 2 years ago
Wow, what an awful solo. Has nothing to do with what's going on at the same time! Moraz is horribly overrated. Look how much comes down to simple downward triplets and chromatic scales. It's called Noodling.
sunnshol 2 years ago
The Mix is Way Bad, But the performance is Priceless, This was Yes's Heyday, and we should all just be greatful this was recorded. Seems someone here has a Hatin' Thing going on for Moraz.
bei1016 2 years ago
Wow, Patrick Moraz "Destroying Close to the Edge" ??? Great video but ignorant title for this youtube video... do you really think the computerized keyboards are out of tune? Or maybe Jon Chris Steve and Allen hired the wrong guy? What do they know about replacing Wakeman? Sure can't be the shitty audio mix of live 70's performances. That damn Patrick Moraz!!!
Ufipman 2 years ago 3
agreed.
blackl1steddrums 2 years ago
A "computerized keyboard" can be detuned. If you check exactly at 3:35 he tries to adjust the tune, but.... He sounds in this MASTERPIECE out of tune in many parts. An unfortunate performance.
Yesshows01 2 years ago
I also think that the sound we hear is coming directly from the soundboard with almost no processing whatsoever..
ChrisMoonmadness 2 years ago
He's stated that those old analog keys go out of tune with temperature changes. (Stage lights, etc.)
stratman123 2 years ago
REALSLIPP u are crazy to say moraz even comes close to rick wakeman stop it wakeman never and i mean never screwed up like moraz did here. Believe me i know
goldsmithstudent 2 years ago
I'm sorry...Patrick Moraz is a badass. What dill weed put this up on youtube? Can you replace Wakeman? Can you play the life-changing solo near the end of Soundchaser? Did you play keys on RELAYER? You're an anal putz for posting this.
minwav 2 years ago
I have the whole concert, and I have to say that I think Moraz played most of the other material (especially the Relayer stuff) brilliantly. This is his worst performance of the night by a wide margin.
The organ solo before the recapitulation is especially bad. Maybe he's making fun of Rick and his prominent use of pentatonic scales when soloing? Regardless, I'm sure he's just going through the motions. When Rick plays this solo, it sounds like he's channeling spectres from another dimension.
hegelec 2 years ago
gimme a break..1:52..he misses the cue... the attack of the notes is wrong..he's all over the place..
it's probably his style that doesn't addapt to Wakeman's way of playing but being a 30 years guitar player, i can see where he should have done his homework..the title to the video is bang on
klepetar 2 years ago
This show is notorious for having a terrible mix from a recorded perspective (it may have sounded great to the audience...don't know...wasn't there...)
zenkonami 2 years ago
i was at the concert in liverpool the week before and the playing was all fine. i'm putting this down to the soundboard mix - takes a few tracks to settle down. no biggy :)
furiousfish2 2 years ago
My opinion is we should not judge this unless we could listen to a correct mix. The sound (not the performance IMO) of this show is horrible. I hope the audience at the venue could listen to it properly, but the broadcast mix is a massacre.
I'd love to listen to some other show from this era to know how Moraz's crazy lines fit in Wakeman songs.
The guy is great.
CraneonBand 2 years ago
Moraz seems to be spanking the keyboard! ha ha ha !!
But , he 's not so bad
jabandrade 2 years ago
or mellotron
cpinto72 2 years ago
Moraz also seemed rather proud of his keyboard "batting" stunt. It's showboat but not very musical. The correct notes in the opening part of CTTE (with the four triplets) is to play the same triplets as the bass and guitar doubletime one octave up. Moraz substituted his keyboard batting for that, so it didn't have quite the same spark.
I think he had a close enough organ sound on the Hammond, but the effects were all wrong so it sounded punchy, not smooth and pipe-organ like.
scottfrmgeorgia 2 years ago
Moraz at the 3:30 mark completes the ruination of this gem. Sounds like a fleet of jets warming up to take off ...or crash.
His best work was Relayer, he added nothing to the Moody Blues either.
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
The right thing to do would have been to learn Wakeman's version note for note before doing his own thing, but he obviously didn't do that. He was also premature on a few chord changes, causing him to clash but live music has mistakes if you listen for them. I think the worst part was when there was way too much vibrato on the synth line - Moraz didn't know how to correct it. He might be good on the keys, but there is more to playing keyboards - you also have to know the equipment.
scottfrmgeorgia 2 years ago
I have played keyboards on Close to the Edge in high school bands in the late 70's, but as a nobody, I was always careful to try to be faithful to Wakeman's work.
I think Moraz didn't show due respect for Wakeman's definition of the song in the organ solo, but on the other hand, he had his work cut out for him trying to learn everything by the time this was made.
scottfrmgeorgia 2 years ago
Jon Anderson should be hitting Patrick Moraz on the head with his tambourine, playing that way.
Thathoodwink 2 years ago
For god sake guys...its amazing how people enjoy comparing one musician to another....both are great musicians....he was playing with his own style, of course its not wakeman, but its not CRAP as ure saying.... take it easy.. its the same to make comparations between allan white and bruford...they are not the same person, of course they will sound different...just because u like one more than the other doesent mean that the other one is shit
aguiarcampos 2 years ago
Moraz did a very poor job on this performance. very poor His best work was on Relayer, where his contributution was a great fit. Excellent work. When he was with the Moody Blues he could not replace Pinders writing.
Cheers
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
when you 're a good musician, you can substitute parts that are hard to play because of different styles but in this perticular case, it's a miss..
klepetar 2 years ago
still better than all of us
jimifrusciante09 2 years ago
Moraz STOMPS Wakeman on so many levels it's a friggin' joke. Waaayyyyy better musician and technician. Best keyboardist Yes ever had by a zillion miles. End of story. Amazing amount of loomers on here who don't know a B3 from a Novatron.
TheRealSlipperman 2 years ago
Knowing a B3 from a Novatron has nothing to with critical appreciation of what comes out the speakers. If it did roadies would be musicians! Sounds like you know more about the tec than the technique.
sunbeam11 2 years ago
Last time I checked, synthesizers and electric keyboards don't go out of tune. They use pre-programed sounds.
Jozef047 2 years ago
The old analog Arps and Moogs were usually going out of tune, I believe because the oscillators were managed "manually" for lack of a better term. Someone else can probably give a better explanation.
zenkonami 2 years ago
it's really not that bad if the volume is turned half way down... I'm guessing the keyboard sounds were edited in this video so the point of this song being "destroyed" would get through...
olias88 2 years ago
Yes was always about the music. i dont think they give a crap if their instruments are out of tune or whatever. playing 10 minute songs with such complexity and musical geinus, is what todays generation is lacking. and Im part of this generation. music today is 3 minute songs with music videos with sex related ideals. We need more bands like Yes
GeddyLee67 2 years ago
You have to give PM a break on this one. He's a fantastic musician who helped write on of their best albums. There's a reason they hardly play Gates or Soundchaser live anymore. That shit is tight.
Chudhole 2 years ago
I think he deliberately detuned the synth. The problem is that he is way too in front in the mix. This recording has bad levels, if the guitars and drums,etc. were at appropriate levels then the synth would not stand out like a sore thumb.
Cristofre 2 years ago
Patrick MORAZ a commencé sa carrière comme pianiste de Pierre COLLET
bobaudray 2 years ago
why bother playing the actual solo when you can play something entirely different? Simple!
theorytest5 2 years ago
Patrick's solos here are too bluesy (and bad blues), very improvisated, sloppy, without head or feet, the level of music creation is too low, only scales, he had mistakes and his sounds are very cheesie.
All keyboard players of yes created their own solos for every tour, this one just seems to be te worst of them.
Moraz is a fine pianist, just hear Relayer and you can see, but no one can deny this was bad.
plasticPlaystation 2 years ago