Premillennialism bible study lessons 1

[b1foschiefs]

A premillennialism bible study? Isn't that an oxymoron?

[MrEhud77]

You're misrepresenting this subject, Per haps some premelinialists teach that only the wicked will remain on earth during the melinium, but the vast majority do not.

[LawrenceKennard]

"The righteous" sitting with Christ is not a contradiction of premillenialism. How we live here on earth determins our rewards. Do you want to reign with him in the New Jerusalem, or are you just producing wood, hay, and stubble? Then you would be outside.

[HaveUconsidered]

Could you please tell me what this means in Rev 20:3 means? "after these things he must be released for a short time."

After what?

Whose the "he"?

Relased from what to do what?

[AllThingsFulfilled]

I would think it refers to the things mentioned in verses 1-3, i.e. the binding for the millennium, sealing in the bottomless pit and preventing him from deceiving the nations. After that, he is loosed for a little while per v. 7, to deceive the nations (Gog and Magog) just before he is cast into the lake of fire. All of this occurs before the arrival of the New heaven and earth following the end of the old heaven and earth in A.D. 70, Mt. 24:29, 34-35.

[HaveUconsidered]

@AllThingsFulfilled

Binding of Satan:

Sounds good. As I pre-mill I can say I agree with all you said except for the last half of your last sentence. It's quite a strange order you have there with the binding in chapter 20 being some 2000 years before the return of Christ in chapter 19.

It's one thing to say that Revelation doesn't follow a strict chronilogical order but there does seem to be a flow from 19 into 20; not a shooting backwards of some 2000 years.

[HaveUconsidered]

Oh boy, once again, you got it wrong. Premillenialism (at least dispensational pre-mill) does NOT teach that the battle of Armageddon will take place at the end of the Millenium but rather when Christ returns at the end of the 7-year tribulation period.

There does appear to be a battle at the end of the 1000 year millenium as well which takes place when "satan is loosed for a short period of time. It is fought quickly when Christ destroys this assembly.

[HaveUconsidered]

If you're going to comment on the Premillennial view, please quote it correctly.

Pre-mill does NOT teach that the wicked enter the millenium to live for 1000 years.

The wicked are "left behind" to enter the 7-year TRIBULATION, not the 1000-year millenium which comes after the tribulation period.

You view of pre-mill is faulty.

[AllThingsFulfilled]

Point granted. So if the righteous are raptured prior to Armageddon at the end of the 7yr tribulation then how do the "tares and the wheat" grow together until the harvest/end of the age coming of the Lord? Or, if all the wicked are destroyed at the end of the 7 year tribulation, how do both "wicked and righteous "grow together" during the alleged millennium. Is the harvest at the end of the tribulation or at the end of the millennium? (Matt. 13:28-30; 38-43).

[HaveUconsidered]

@AllThingsFulfilled

Just as the Old Testament did not clearly delineate between Christ first and second comings, the same is true of the rapture and the revelation. Oftentimes that last tribulation week is simply referred to as the period of Christ's second coming. I believe this is how it's used in the wheat/tares. Even so, new believers during the 70th week and unbelievers that live to the end of the "week" are not seperated til the "end" of the week (Christ's return to earth)

[HaveUconsidered]

@AllThingsFulfilled

pt 2

Only the righteous will enter the millenium but their offspring will not necessarily be righteous. Isaiah says a child will die at hundred. At the end of the millenium, Satan will be released for a short time from the pit where he is bound for the millenium. There will be an uprising that is quickly put down by Christ Himself. The unrighteous are then resurrected for the great white throne judgement and thrown with Satan and death into the lake of fire.

[AllThingsFulfilled]

I'm sure you're aware that Jews from "every nation" under heaven came to the feasts at Passover and Pentecost for example. They spoke all languages representing all the nations of the then known world, (Acts 2:8-11). Did not their leaders persuade the Jews, to give their allegiance to Caesar, against the Christ, (Acts 4:25-28). Do you not believe that collaborating with the nations and the devil to murder Christ and his saints is bowing to the beast? They were all in league together.

[militantprince09]

Mystery Babylon is associated with a "beast" (Revelation 17:3). You can call this a man, or a system, I'm convinced it's a man, but scripture will reveal itself in time. Revelation 13:7-8 tells us that this "beast" would have power over all kindreds and tongues and nations. My question is how could Jerusalem during the Apostolic Age been Mystery Babylon if Mystery Babylon required that all tongues and kindred pay it homage and bow down before the beast of Revelation?

[AllThingsFulfilled]

I'm not in error until you prove that Matt. 24:34 speaks of the 21st century or beyond. So go for it.

[HaveUconsidered]

I can give you the typical preterist response to any passage that doesn't fit their theological view: "Oh, that's just symbolic language. It doesn't really mean what is says." But I won't.

Two common dispy responses are this:

1.) It refers to the Jews not passing away until all is fulfilled OR 2.) It refers to that generation who sees the signs that Christ discribes.

I have a third alternate possibility:

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[HaveUconsidered]

pt 2

The apostle John was taken up in the Lord's day while on the isle of Patmos to "see the end". Christ didn't show him a "movie". John was told, "Come up hear". He entered through a "door".

Did all those things Christ mention take place before John died. Yes they did. Is that because they were fufillud in A.D. 70? NO. Christ took John to the end of the age while he yet lived. Things which from our perspective, have not happened yet.

John saw the return of Christ and wrote about it

[militantprince09]

Regardless of your error however, may you be blessed by the mighty power of God. : )

[militantprince09]

Those who experience this judgement and see the fall of their religious city of worship and sinful lust, Babylon (ROME), will be angry, gather themselves together and make war against Christ AND his saints (Armaggedon). Armaggedon is recorded before the millenial reign of Christ, where he will be victorious silence the Devil and his saints will rule on earth for a thousand years.

[AllThingsFulfilled]

While the Romans and Herod joined the Jews in persecuting Christians, (Acts 4:27), all was instigated by the Jews, thus Jesus said, those who delivered him to the Romans had the greater sin. The seven trumpets ultimately end with the 7th or last at which time resurrection/judgment and parousia occurs, thus there are no "end times" events following it. Again, Mt. 24:31, is that last trumpet which happened in 70 AD when Jerusalem fell to the Romans under Titus. Thus, no room for the Rapture.

[militantprince09]

You said the seven trumpets have been fulfilled? But leave out the seals and the bowls. The Bible is clear there will be a "rapture" (which I perfer to call the gathering of the elect since that's really all that it is) Matthew 24:29-30 makes this very clear. There are specific reasons why all things HAVE NOT been fullfilled. Oh... and to answer your website... I'm not a Hageeite.. he's just as much in error as you.

[AllThingsFulfilled]

I don't remember ascribing Hagee's views to you, did I? At any rate, you keep citing Mt. 24:29-30, but totally ignoring the temporal context. "The "?" was "When shall these things be...? The answer was "This generation, i.e. the first century generation would not pass till all these things take place. That covers verses 29-31. Thus, your issue is not with me but with scripture and the Lord himself. Was he in error? It's him or you, take your pick. Either way, it's a bad choice.

[militantprince09]

The Seven Bowl judgements have a purpose described in Revelation 16:1. It is adescribed in this verse as the "wrath of God on Earth". It IS NOT the tribulation, which comes to test the World and the Church. It is the cutting point, where it becomes clear that the church passed, and the world failed. The World that fails persecutes the church, and the bowls are God's judgement for this act. The bowls may last for a few days or a few years. It will be followed by the fall of babylon.

[AllThingsFulfilled]

The seven bowl judgments of ch. 16, correspond with the 7 trumpet judgment. They are not two different times but a repeat in different visions of the same. Babylon the great is the city where the Lord was crucified, (Rev. 11:8), which is also spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. Where is "ROME" ever called Sodom and Egypt in the Bible. When was Christ ever in Rome and was he crucified there? See Luke 13:30, Matt. 23:34-36.

[militantprince09]

They do not correspond at all. They are separate events each with separate purposes as demonstrated Revelation 16:1. Regardless of where the "great city" is, first and foremost, it very well could be modern Jerusalem, however it COULD NOT be Jerusalem at the time of Jesus Christ there are certain descriptions of Mystery Babylon that couldn't have applied to Jerusalem in 70 AD.

[AllThingsFulfilled]

You did not address the scriptures I submitted. You offer another assertion. Specifically list the criteria from scripture you belive does not apply to first century Jerusalem. Was Christ crucified in modern Jerusalem, yes or no? That's a simple question which doesn't require any dodging of the issue. Please answer plainly, in what Jerusalem was Christ crucified? In what century?

[HaveUconsidered]

Jerusalem is not Babylon. To my knowledge, I'm not sure if it is even ever symbolically referred to as such.

[militantprince09]

To further explain the timeline of Scripture the rapture must take place after what Christ calls the Great Tribulation which he goes into detail about in Matthew 24:15-28. Christ then says in verse 29 thru verse 31 "IMMEDIATELY AFTER" the great tribulation he will "gather together his elect from the four winds" (the rapture). Revelation 14:14-18 puts this event well after the "seven trumpets" (the Biblical end of the tribulation period) and right before the seven bowl judgements.

[AllThingsFulfilled]

Your entire theory lacks merit in that it ignores that Jesus placed all the events of Matthew 24 within his generation, ver. 34. That includes 15-31. The cloud-coming harvest imagery of Rev. 14:14-18 = Matt. 13:30, 39-43; 24:34. How many harvests are there in either text? Since you understand time, i.e. immediately after, then you should understand "Assuredly, this generation will by no means pass till all these things take place." The "immediately after" comes before that generation passed!

[militantprince09]

Matthew 24:34 must be interpreted, like all scripture against other scripture, it also must be interepreted based on historical context. The word translated "generation" can also be translated "race" or "peoples", as well as "tribe" and "tongue". We know that Christ himself told us that we are not to know when he is comming back Acts 1:6-7. Christ has no specific deadline for his return in glory, what he was saying here is that the Hebrews would still exist.

[AllThingsFulfilled]

Does not knowing the precise day and hour an event occurred mean that it hasn't happened? I do not know the day and hour you were born, therefore weren't??? Further, Christ never told us the day and hour of the destruction of Jerusalem per Matthew 24. So, it was a day unknown but to the Lord. See also the examples of Noah and Lot. Both involved days not known to the wicked until the day came. Jesus' only came as a thief to the wicked. The saints were not in darkness. 1 Thes. 5:4; Rev. 3:3

[HaveUconsidered]

militantprince09, there is nothing in the matt 24 that speaks of a "rapture", which is a snatching away of the saints to the "clouds" (1 Thes 4:16,17). The gathering together in Matt is when Christ seperates the sheep from the goats of people still living on earth after the battle of Arm.

[militantprince09]

Your study has a fundemental flaw. I'm a weak believer in premillenialism and a believer in post-tribulation rapture. Our view IS NOT that the wicked stay on Earth for a thousand years, but RATHER that they stay on Earth during the tribulation, and those saints that are raptured return with Christ to make war against the sinners who persecuted the church (Armaggedon) and prevail establishing Christ's 100 year Kingdom, YES with the righteous.

[AllThingsFulfilled]

The point is the parable of the tares shows no break or Rapture from the time the children of the kingdom are sown into the world among the tares and the time of the harvest. You must prove the harvest is not the end of the age. You haven't done that. So what happens to the wicked after your alleged 7 years? Is that the "end of the age harvest? If not, your problem is with Christ, not me. Daniel 7:21-22 shows the war continues with the saints until the coming of Christ/harvest, not after.

[HaveUconsidered]

Christ seperates the goats and the sheep at the end of the trib. These are not present day saints because those will have been raptured before-hand. The ones (sheep) who enter the 1000/yr are those who did not take the mark of the beast during the trib. They will enter the 1000/yr period. Satan will be bound. Christ will reign but sin will still be present. At the end of the mill, some will revolt when Satan is released for a short time but Christ will quickly destory them.

[AllThingsFulfilled]

Just makes me wonder what's the point of going off with Christ in a Rapture if one has to come right back and deal with more stuff on earth. Could have save both him and the rest the trip. Seeing how Jesus gathered the fragments from feeding the 5,000, I can't imagine he would waste that much energy and time. :-)

[ChristianNewsWatch]

Good study... all 3 parts.

[Mathetes76]

Greetings.

This video is well made except for one glaring misunderstanding: The wicked who are "left behind" are not the only persons populating the earth during the millennium. They are left behind for either i) the entire 7 year tribulation period (pre-tribulation), ii) the last half (3 1/2 years) of the tribulation (mid-tribulation), or iii) only the time it takes for the saints to be raptured up & come back down with Jesus.

All 3 views hold that the saints return for the millennium.

Peace