Nice presentation, but that's all it is. Most of this would be completely useless in actual combat, but that's not even my biggest problem. You must never. Ever. Block. With. The. Edge. Period. That is the quickest way to ruin a sword short of smashing it against concrete. Also, block an overhead from a staff? Another excellent way to ruin a sword.
Excellent Showing of applications, and for those Martial "critique" warriors. Not every movement is included on tapes, books or even taught in Modern schools. That's why it is an Art, and in being an art it's always going to be evolving and adapting. The move concepts and science are what to be practiced and understood. Well done
I practise swordfighting for 5 years now and i have to say this have nothing to do with it, i respect tai chi and tai shi sword forms but what he shows is useless in real swordfighting
I'm not sure if your names of the form are the same as yang style but I found the applications very insightful. Techniques such as push the boat, and the low ankle cut make much more sense to me now. Would you mind showing the applications more segmented?
A lot of the criticism of this video seems to be based on pure theory divorced from reality. The video shows basic parries followed by counters and finishing moves. That is 90% of real swordsmanship. I think the counters are interesting and most of them look like something you could pull off in a real bout. A few are low percentage, but most are pretty solid. As for the edge parry debate, anyone who makes a sweeping generalization on this topic only shows that their own knowledge is limited.
It looks like there all just block and counter attack moves. Then the person that did the frist attack doesn't defend against the Counter. It seems a little ....
I'm not a pro or anything just stating what i saw.
i practiced korean style kendo(kumdo), and i don't get how taichi works. taichi is utilizing foreign force and using against it, right? and I also heard that taichi works even it looks slow as hell. HOW?? i gotta say, holding a sword with 1 hand would be troublesome against 2 handed sword user. maybe the weight of the sword is lighter than katana? idk. answer me plz on private msg =D
Don't worry about that Hawaiianstile guy, he apparently spends all day looking at videos just to remind us all about how much better Kendo is to other arts. Just recently he decided to troll all the Historical European Martial Arts videos just to tell us how useless our Longswords are in comparison to the Katana. I think it's rather interesting that at the same time he states that he "has respect for all martial arts". Hypocrisy.
Now, on a more critical note I do have to admit that some of this stuff does seem a little awkward, but then again context is everything. This doesn't seem to me to be a battlefield martial art, so much as a street defense martial art or dueling art(In which you often /do/ see a lot of more 'pretty' moves). As is, I see many parallels to not just the later Rapier styles, but the a few techniques which are essentially one handed versions of techniques of my own weapon, the Longsword.
A throw away statement if ever I heard one, I can't not refute it defiantly nor can you prove the validity of it, its a point that will likely remain a bone of contention between us...
irrelevant, I can't not refute it defiantly nor can you prove the validity of it, don't you get it this is not an argument that can be won, the only solution would be combat between us which is impossible as you are safely tucked away on the other side of the world, so either move on and talk about some other facet or stop commenting you sound like a broken record and I'm getting tired of repeating myself...
no style is superior to another reguardless of perspective. all styles have their strong and weak points, this is inescapebly true. but the fact remains you can do all the drills and kata you want but until you fight someone your just proforming. you cannot learn to fight without fighting, sets and kata arent enough, i have done many styles but eventualy quit all of them for this very reason, thats why i stick with kendo, in kendo we actualy fight eachother. same with MMA you actualy fight.
You state no "style is superior to another regardless of perspective" then go on to imply that all we do are sets and 'kata/forms' To make this insult worse you the suggest that we don't fight at all by falling back on every armchair warriors favourite, MMA,
now you do not know enough about what we do to pass judgment on the strengths and limitations of our style, surly you see the folly of this, in kendo you fight, in Taiji we fight, and yet for some reason you keep drawing this line in the sand saying simply that we are liars, at one point you compared us to wwe, and yet you say you do not wish to cause offense, read the description of the video, its application of movements from a form that's all...
We fight full contact, we are probably one of the least constrained styles on the planet, the only requirement we make of each other when we fight is that we do not take each other's sight...
When we fight with wooden swords, there are no constraints on what we can do, we are only concerned with killing the opponent but even all this is irrelevant, as the only way we could resolve this is by actually fighting and with a vast ocean in the way that is unlikely to ever happen...
unfortunetly the ocean does stop us. "armchair warrior" i like that one lol, it is true that many know nothing people love MMA but it is still true it is more real than karate (these days) witch is why i stoped karate. and i say again i have nothing against chinese sword styles, just what i see on this particular video. if you fight full contact thats great but i still dont see the logic behind a lot of the moves in this video.
Basic principles of Taiji, there is no reason why you should see the logic, our styles are different, remember a jian is a lot thinner than a katana, and is actual used quite differently, a single handed jian if wielded like a katana would probably break on the opponents sword (assuming they had a heavier sword like a dao or katana, though a two handed jian is a different matter .)
well that depends on the level of experience of the attackers, the attacks are basic, but venations exist in most styles of sword, as for a lot of openings, the second his blade touches ours its impossible to retact the blade without drawing his in with it, it's simply an extension of pushing hands...
So what we can surmise you have done is committed the cardinal sin among classical MA practitioners, you have dismissed what we do based upon your fore knowledge of what you can do, you have not fought with any of us, you cannot know the limits of our skill, nor off our style, yet still you chose to sling mud, why is that?
The students parry with the edge of their swords because of there in experience, at no point during the video does sifu long parry with the edge of his sword, please look again at the video with more care;)
Its a Contentious area in Eastern sword play, in to my knowledge there are no Japanese styles which ascribe to blocking with the edge of the blade, however in Krabi Krabong its the norm, in Chinese sword play, it varies from style to style...
Japanese styles do sometimes block with the edge, but only as a last resort. (Remember, we are studying fighting.) With the Taiji sword, the bottom third of the blade is thicker and relatively blunt, and is specifically designed so it can be used for blocking.
I agree that the Katana is a hybrid sword, but it has it's good qualities. It has a long reach and a sharp one edge. The Dao was meant to hack and chop while the Katana is more of a slashing weapon if any, but it's a very sturdy blade weapon.
lol better than what? Jian? Dao? well jian are produced in more or less the same way as katana, though the shape differs the steel is the same, they are made for different purposes, jian is primarily a thrusting weapon though it has less cutting power due to its shape, it still cuts wonderfully well though,
part 2:the dao has more cutting power than a katana though it can hardly be used for economical thrusting... A katana is a type of hybrid sword if you like, a design 'borrowed' in the tang dynasty, the ascetics of the blade of course are a matter of perspective...
i kill him with a single move ^^ do ya now how ??? put on the trigger of a 45 ))))) no just kidding afcorse i can kill him with a weapon but the sword is a honor of the man who nows the path of sword
Why is it always that the trainee is imcompetant? I've never seen a video clip where the trainee is competant. The trainee always act scared. I know that the trainer is just trying to show how the moves work, but there are those few opponents that are good and won't come at the other fighter like this video shows.
Hi thanks for the comment in answer to your question it's because we haven't been learning sword for very long and our hands were already bleeding by the time this recording was made, hence the fear element, as for competence, its a relative term don't you think?
A master once said that you should train with a wooden sword before you practice with a real sword. I think that it's because if you don't master the wood, then when you use the sword, you moves look sloppy, or something like that. What are your thoughts in this?
Lol, that master has never attempted sword combat with modern wooden jian, they, break splinter and shatter... the sword were are using are poorly balance, inaccurately weighted pieces of trash, taking that into account, please realise that there are very few individuals actually practicing weapons combat, this being so I think we do okay...
Have to agree with beekyosuke, no offense but this is a rather poor demonstration of Chinese swordsmanship, just clashing blades, poor, edge on edge defelctions, not one correct technique.
And you are an expert in what precisely?, judging from your account, I'd say little more than Naruto, I confess the students in this video are not yet adept at sword, that's why we practise however your baseless criticisms of sifu's sword technique do you a disservice, not one correct technique in the video, please.... I would suggest that 'correct' in this context is defined purely by who is left standing at the end.
umm he blocked a bo with a hard(opp. of soft) style block.(rising /overhead block). I have read that a bo strike is more than strong enough to break even a katana, let alone a tai chi sword. Have you ever actualy tried that block full power? ( around 40-47 seconds in)
Hello emulare thanks for the comment, first allow me address the issue you raised regarding the comparable strength of a Taiji sword, Taiji swords are by the modern standard floppy wushu pieces of crap, which would be utterly incapable of blocking a sword let alone a Bo staff, however, a traditionally
Part 2: made jian would not only be able to compete with a katana or a claymore for that matter, provided the hard block was executed bellow the killing edge of the staff the sword would have no difficulty in stopping the blow, I hope this answers you question adequately once more thanks for the comment...
Hey cool! Nice to see some jianshu techniques! Thanks for posting, and I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more in the future. Also, as for your comment about your wooden swords breaking, check out the World Jianshu League's CS Jians. They're about the same weight as wooden jians and very durable. Again, thanks so much for this footage!
lol glad you liked it, we have used wooden weapons in the past, but they have a horrible propensity to brake... Glad you liked the video; this one has generated less controversy, probably because we used real swords rather than the usual training swords...
I agree, you debate about hand and foot till the world ends but to argue with steel is an issue which few would be willing to stake a life on lol, that said despite my repeated entreaties to our detractors to show us the courage of there conviction none yet have...
Nice presentation, but that's all it is. Most of this would be completely useless in actual combat, but that's not even my biggest problem. You must never. Ever. Block. With. The. Edge. Period. That is the quickest way to ruin a sword short of smashing it against concrete. Also, block an overhead from a staff? Another excellent way to ruin a sword.
ChishioAme 2 months ago
Excellent Showing of applications, and for those Martial "critique" warriors. Not every movement is included on tapes, books or even taught in Modern schools. That's why it is an Art, and in being an art it's always going to be evolving and adapting. The move concepts and science are what to be practiced and understood. Well done
GirouxToTheMax 6 months ago
Awesome.... Thanks.... there are not alot of people demonstrating wu sword play.....
ANGELSGYMSINGH 10 months ago
what's the song?
LackofEthics 1 year ago
@LackofEthics Brams Stroker's Dracula
ANGELSGYMSINGH 10 months ago
@ANGELSGYMSINGH much obliged
LackofEthics 10 months ago
I want to learn, but I'm afraid of being taught incorrectly...either by honest idiots or dishonest masters. Any idea how to get around this?
emulare11 1 year ago
@emulare11
What part of the US do you live? I have a school in Southern California.
trifidus13 1 year ago
I practise swordfighting for 5 years now and i have to say this have nothing to do with it, i respect tai chi and tai shi sword forms but what he shows is useless in real swordfighting
CenrionPrime 2 years ago
This gut is still practicing on his students. He hardly masters his forms himself. lol
micsir888 2 years ago
I'm not sure if your names of the form are the same as yang style but I found the applications very insightful. Techniques such as push the boat, and the low ankle cut make much more sense to me now. Would you mind showing the applications more segmented?
voluptuate 2 years ago
A lot of the criticism of this video seems to be based on pure theory divorced from reality. The video shows basic parries followed by counters and finishing moves. That is 90% of real swordsmanship. I think the counters are interesting and most of them look like something you could pull off in a real bout. A few are low percentage, but most are pretty solid. As for the edge parry debate, anyone who makes a sweeping generalization on this topic only shows that their own knowledge is limited.
gilbride100 2 years ago
very good video.yay goin to taiji tomorow,i loves it,we get cookies before training,cakes in betweeen and fruit afterwards lol.
such a useless comment,but yeah nice one for uploading this vid rory
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poisonousdragon 3 years ago
@poisonousdragon and when you fight you try not to throw, everything you ate before, up... am I correct?
goldsaint89 1 year ago
It looks like there all just block and counter attack moves. Then the person that did the frist attack doesn't defend against the Counter. It seems a little ....
I'm not a pro or anything just stating what i saw.
Reapersknight 3 years ago
and i mean jian sword not the... cleaver looking sword.
kimkangmin0408 3 years ago
i practiced korean style kendo(kumdo), and i don't get how taichi works. taichi is utilizing foreign force and using against it, right? and I also heard that taichi works even it looks slow as hell. HOW?? i gotta say, holding a sword with 1 hand would be troublesome against 2 handed sword user. maybe the weight of the sword is lighter than katana? idk. answer me plz on private msg =D
kimkangmin0408 3 years ago
you use evasion and do not hard block. the other hand can be used to grab and grapple or hold a shield or dagger.
TheZhongzheng 2 years ago
Don't worry about that Hawaiianstile guy, he apparently spends all day looking at videos just to remind us all about how much better Kendo is to other arts. Just recently he decided to troll all the Historical European Martial Arts videos just to tell us how useless our Longswords are in comparison to the Katana. I think it's rather interesting that at the same time he states that he "has respect for all martial arts". Hypocrisy.
Caliburnis 3 years ago
Now, on a more critical note I do have to admit that some of this stuff does seem a little awkward, but then again context is everything. This doesn't seem to me to be a battlefield martial art, so much as a street defense martial art or dueling art(In which you often /do/ see a lot of more 'pretty' moves). As is, I see many parallels to not just the later Rapier styles, but the a few techniques which are essentially one handed versions of techniques of my own weapon, the Longsword.
Caliburnis 3 years ago
respect, rory, thanks for posting your videos.
atxryan321 3 years ago
A throw away statement if ever I heard one, I can't not refute it defiantly nor can you prove the validity of it, its a point that will likely remain a bone of contention between us...
rory2501 3 years ago
there are many waza designed for such situations
Hawaiianstile 3 years ago
irrelevant, I can't not refute it defiantly nor can you prove the validity of it, don't you get it this is not an argument that can be won, the only solution would be combat between us which is impossible as you are safely tucked away on the other side of the world, so either move on and talk about some other facet or stop commenting you sound like a broken record and I'm getting tired of repeating myself...
rory2501 3 years ago
lol your repeating yourself word for word and im the broken record? yah OK dude lol
Hawaiianstile 3 years ago
no style is superior to another reguardless of perspective. all styles have their strong and weak points, this is inescapebly true. but the fact remains you can do all the drills and kata you want but until you fight someone your just proforming. you cannot learn to fight without fighting, sets and kata arent enough, i have done many styles but eventualy quit all of them for this very reason, thats why i stick with kendo, in kendo we actualy fight eachother. same with MMA you actualy fight.
Hawaiianstile 3 years ago
You state no "style is superior to another regardless of perspective" then go on to imply that all we do are sets and 'kata/forms' To make this insult worse you the suggest that we don't fight at all by falling back on every armchair warriors favourite, MMA,
rory2501 3 years ago
now you do not know enough about what we do to pass judgment on the strengths and limitations of our style, surly you see the folly of this, in kendo you fight, in Taiji we fight, and yet for some reason you keep drawing this line in the sand saying simply that we are liars, at one point you compared us to wwe, and yet you say you do not wish to cause offense, read the description of the video, its application of movements from a form that's all...
rory2501 3 years ago
We fight full contact, we are probably one of the least constrained styles on the planet, the only requirement we make of each other when we fight is that we do not take each other's sight...
When we fight with wooden swords, there are no constraints on what we can do, we are only concerned with killing the opponent but even all this is irrelevant, as the only way we could resolve this is by actually fighting and with a vast ocean in the way that is unlikely to ever happen...
rory2501 3 years ago
unfortunetly the ocean does stop us. "armchair warrior" i like that one lol, it is true that many know nothing people love MMA but it is still true it is more real than karate (these days) witch is why i stoped karate. and i say again i have nothing against chinese sword styles, just what i see on this particular video. if you fight full contact thats great but i still dont see the logic behind a lot of the moves in this video.
Hawaiianstile 3 years ago
Lead, stick, follow, yield....
Basic principles of Taiji, there is no reason why you should see the logic, our styles are different, remember a jian is a lot thinner than a katana, and is actual used quite differently, a single handed jian if wielded like a katana would probably break on the opponents sword (assuming they had a heavier sword like a dao or katana, though a two handed jian is a different matter .)
rory2501 3 years ago
im just seeing a hell of a lot of oppenings is all. that and i dont believe the moves the attackers are doing would be done in a fight.
Hawaiianstile 3 years ago
well that depends on the level of experience of the attackers, the attacks are basic, but venations exist in most styles of sword, as for a lot of openings, the second his blade touches ours its impossible to retact the blade without drawing his in with it, it's simply an extension of pushing hands...
rory2501 3 years ago
how many fights you had?
taijihitman 3 years ago
just good fights during training or tournament fights?
Hawaiianstile 3 years ago
in your lengthily incarceration..
So what we can surmise you have done is committed the cardinal sin among classical MA practitioners, you have dismissed what we do based upon your fore knowledge of what you can do, you have not fought with any of us, you cannot know the limits of our skill, nor off our style, yet still you chose to sling mud, why is that?
rory2501 3 years ago
That was really interesting
Shenlong429 3 years ago
Lots of edge on edge parrying which is absolutely contrary to the principles of good swordsmanship and quickly leads to a blade cracking.
ChenQiangJianke 3 years ago
The students parry with the edge of their swords because of there in experience, at no point during the video does sifu long parry with the edge of his sword, please look again at the video with more care;)
rory2501 3 years ago
is that so? is there a general rule in eastern swordsmanship that you avoid parrying with the edge? It's a contentious area in western swordplay.
MarkHolgate 3 years ago
Its a Contentious area in Eastern sword play, in to my knowledge there are no Japanese styles which ascribe to blocking with the edge of the blade, however in Krabi Krabong its the norm, in Chinese sword play, it varies from style to style...
rory2501 3 years ago
Japanese styles do sometimes block with the edge, but only as a last resort. (Remember, we are studying fighting.) With the Taiji sword, the bottom third of the blade is thicker and relatively blunt, and is specifically designed so it can be used for blocking.
BrokenCircleDao 2 years ago
exelent l'ami tu amitrise bien le style
epetiste 3 years ago
the sword is onely as good as the weilder ( sorry for my misspelling) and my nerves would be on end facing you very nice swordsmenships
bloodlustjuggalo 4 years ago
lol so true... Glad you liked the vid:)
rory2501 4 years ago
true say, I don't dislike katana's actually I am very fond of them and have more than a few in my private collection:)
rory2501 4 years ago
I agree that the Katana is a hybrid sword, but it has it's good qualities. It has a long reach and a sharp one edge. The Dao was meant to hack and chop while the Katana is more of a slashing weapon if any, but it's a very sturdy blade weapon.
Excalibur01 4 years ago
true say, I don't dislike katana's actually I am very fond of them and have more than a few in my private collection:)
rory2501 4 years ago
katanas r betr
Smokey993 4 years ago
lol better than what? Jian? Dao? well jian are produced in more or less the same way as katana, though the shape differs the steel is the same, they are made for different purposes, jian is primarily a thrusting weapon though it has less cutting power due to its shape, it still cuts wonderfully well though,
rory2501 4 years ago
part 2:the dao has more cutting power than a katana though it can hardly be used for economical thrusting... A katana is a type of hybrid sword if you like, a design 'borrowed' in the tang dynasty, the ascetics of the blade of course are a matter of perspective...
rory2501 4 years ago
Take a look at this swordleaguedotcom Real weight wooden jian and good techniques. It's going to be in Bozeman, Montana on May 10th, 2008.
Miledha 4 years ago
cool:)
rory2501 4 years ago
the sword fighting is nice, but i always like the middle ages sword fighting, such as the high gaurd and the low gaurd.
gangrail 4 years ago
you are referring to western fencing. but tai chi sword very different approach w/ focus on relaxing, sensing.
imbrd 4 years ago
I think you are preaching to the converted;)
rory2501 4 years ago
Well to me, a sword is a sword no matter how fancy a name you give it or what it looks like.
Excalibur01 4 years ago
its nice to see some aplication /free sparring aside from forms
sb007 4 years ago
i kill him with a single move ^^ do ya now how ??? put on the trigger of a 45 ))))) no just kidding afcorse i can kill him with a weapon but the sword is a honor of the man who nows the path of sword
sauersouce 4 years ago
lol better hope you have some clean distance with that 45 of yours, Sifu is quite quick;)
rory2501 4 years ago
yee i now ^^
sauersouce 4 years ago
Why is it always that the trainee is imcompetant? I've never seen a video clip where the trainee is competant. The trainee always act scared. I know that the trainer is just trying to show how the moves work, but there are those few opponents that are good and won't come at the other fighter like this video shows.
beekyosuke 4 years ago
Hi thanks for the comment in answer to your question it's because we haven't been learning sword for very long and our hands were already bleeding by the time this recording was made, hence the fear element, as for competence, its a relative term don't you think?
Best of luck in your training my friend.
rory2501 4 years ago
A master once said that you should train with a wooden sword before you practice with a real sword. I think that it's because if you don't master the wood, then when you use the sword, you moves look sloppy, or something like that. What are your thoughts in this?
beekyosuke 4 years ago
Lol, that master has never attempted sword combat with modern wooden jian, they, break splinter and shatter... the sword were are using are poorly balance, inaccurately weighted pieces of trash, taking that into account, please realise that there are very few individuals actually practicing weapons combat, this being so I think we do okay...
rory2501 4 years ago
Have to agree with beekyosuke, no offense but this is a rather poor demonstration of Chinese swordsmanship, just clashing blades, poor, edge on edge defelctions, not one correct technique.
wuming108 4 years ago
And you are an expert in what precisely?, judging from your account, I'd say little more than Naruto, I confess the students in this video are not yet adept at sword, that's why we practise however your baseless criticisms of sifu's sword technique do you a disservice, not one correct technique in the video, please.... I would suggest that 'correct' in this context is defined purely by who is left standing at the end.
rory2501 4 years ago
I like that disarm move that has the hop in it done at 1:04-:1:05. Very cool. The other moves are quite nice as well.
rubedokukai 4 years ago
I love the smooth art of Taiji. also, its a heck of a way to use a sword.
Redbullgiveswgs11 4 years ago
umm he blocked a bo with a hard(opp. of soft) style block.(rising /overhead block). I have read that a bo strike is more than strong enough to break even a katana, let alone a tai chi sword. Have you ever actualy tried that block full power? ( around 40-47 seconds in)
emulare 4 years ago
Hello emulare thanks for the comment, first allow me address the issue you raised regarding the comparable strength of a Taiji sword, Taiji swords are by the modern standard floppy wushu pieces of crap, which would be utterly incapable of blocking a sword let alone a Bo staff, however, a traditionally
rory2501 4 years ago
Part 2: made jian would not only be able to compete with a katana or a claymore for that matter, provided the hard block was executed bellow the killing edge of the staff the sword would have no difficulty in stopping the blow, I hope this answers you question adequately once more thanks for the comment...
rory2501 4 years ago
And then they pull out shotgun........and wins
dailee3 4 years ago
lol... Well I wouldn't fancy my chances...:D
rory2501 4 years ago
lol :)
dailee3 4 years ago
Hey cool! Nice to see some jianshu techniques! Thanks for posting, and I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more in the future. Also, as for your comment about your wooden swords breaking, check out the World Jianshu League's CS Jians. They're about the same weight as wooden jians and very durable. Again, thanks so much for this footage!
latestart 4 years ago
will do, thanks for your comment and glad you liked the video...
rory2501 4 years ago
wow. nice! i love practical sword fighting techniques. me and my friends swordfight all the time.nice vid and nice techniques!
poopwadmcgee 4 years ago
Thanks, glad you liked the video:)
rory2501 4 years ago
glad you liked it.watch this space,there may be more to come.
jamm00001 4 years ago
Wow for future practices use wooden swords...to save fingers and body/parts. I was on edge the whole time watching. The music fits the video.
dragon123444 4 years ago
lol glad you liked it, we have used wooden weapons in the past, but they have a horrible propensity to brake... Glad you liked the video; this one has generated less controversy, probably because we used real swords rather than the usual training swords...
rory2501 4 years ago
sweet this is a treat to see actual demo of techs
SecretSword 4 years ago
Glad you like it, it was fun to do, bu many of our lot were injured in the making of this session of vids lol
rory2501 4 years ago
LOL Of course none of them were Sifu Yan. He could probably take on 50 sword wielding kungfu students.
SecretSword 4 years ago
no be our hands were sliced up good and we had one concusion on that day lol...
rory2501 4 years ago
Good luck claiming this one's fake...
Cunnysmythe 4 years ago
I agree, you debate about hand and foot till the world ends but to argue with steel is an issue which few would be willing to stake a life on lol, that said despite my repeated entreaties to our detractors to show us the courage of there conviction none yet have...
rory2501 4 years ago