giiiiigggeettty, stop comparing the two.. both = excellent cars, but as a z32 owner id say it is definetly more rare to see a mk4 supra compared to z32.... 2j vs vg= who has more money to spend.
BTW I own a Z32TT only pushing about 360whp on stock turbos and loving it.It's all around run car. Put Z32 and supra on twisties and I'm sure Z32 will dust supras.I will pass on the supra never was a fan of the exterior. If I were to own a 2jz it's going to be an SC300 with 2jz in it.
Because inline engines are better. The vg is good but the 2jz is also good. You don't gotta make everything complicated. And they cost more the same way a 64 must and is so much more than a ford galaxy. The cars just worth more
@11cyrus11 yeah thats true inline engines are the best..... oh wait... hang on... ummm most race cars that do not have a inline 4 run an engine in a V configuration... for example gt500 supra.. either 3S-GTE or 4.5 litre V8... oh hang on.. the Skyline.. errr the RB was dropped because it was to nose heavy with the 4wd being dropped and the VQ30DETT was more reilable choice...
but true VG series and 2jz are good, but it came down to Yamaha for toyota to get it right.
is vg is such a good motor... why do so many people drop 2jz's in their 300zx? just saying... also if they are sssooo comparable... why does the supra cost 3-4 times more? .. just saying again.
i dont car who won the race, obviously the supra is higher tuned because both cars are same stock and both have the same tuning capabilities, rather have the Z tho... but i just dont like toyota
again... i had that 300zx in the video, and i was racing. my 300zx never gave me any problems, that motor was bulletproof. and yes, the VG30DETT did burn about a quart of oil between oil changes. Now i'd have to admit, knowing what i know now, i'd rather have a supra. the 300 was such a pain in the ass to work on. cramped motor space, and nothing was convenient, but even so, it was still an incredible machine. the supra had more power, and i short shifted from 3rd to 4th. plain and simple.
i too wanted and finally got to owning two z's, one n/a and one TT. I was in love with the TT, until of course i heard of the TT supra :D
And yes its very true that the VG30DETT engine is capable of good power, but its completely unreliable so who cares. So my advice for all you enthusiasts who aspire to own either of these cars would be to pocket the 2k you'd spend on buying a 300z and save a year's worth of your parent's combined income and find even a beaten up supra, its well worth it.
Im in a turbo Z. They got a car,but cant catch me. They got a bike,but cant catch me. So, they got plane, just when they about to catch me the motherf&^%*ng Twin Turbos kick in...
++++NEWS FLASH+++ most supras you see driving around are slow. Every one thinks If you have a supra your fast WRONG thats why you never see them at track other than the 1000hp guys. I have beat every supra I have raced. The 2j is a very good engine but every one buys one and its stock or they strap a T67 on it and think they're fast
Well, the 300zx TT is much older than the MK4 supra, it was a little bit cheaper (here in germany you bought them for the same price, 100.000DM, 50.000$ in 1994. For this you got a 968 Porsche, which had "only" 239HP!)
In germany the TT Supra is still very expensive - 20000€ for a car with 100000 miles that is 15 years old. For a 300zx with 100000 miles you pay about 4000-7000€. The difference is that the supra is still a modern car, the 300zx is a little bit "old". But still great
You will not find a decent TT for $2900. They are cheaper than Supras though, but any moron can dump cash and have a fast car. You could easily have a 500hp TT for the extra that you would spend on a good Supra.
Both cars are amazing and ,in my opinion, equally capable all around (not just power).
Yeah as the old joke goes, whats a 400hp supra have in common with a 1200hp supra? 12 second timeslips. The z32 was honored car of the year from motortrend, its also been honored the most beatiful car in 20 years, also other awards, an shit even little shit like Lambo using it's headlights for their exotic. Look it up pal, you don't see lambo putting in bubble lights from the supras on their vehicles, nope instead they used the z32's headlights lol
@AfflictionFTW Your a fucking idiot. Do some searching you moron, Lambo USED the z32 headlights style on one of their monster vehicles. SEARCH is your friend noob. Does the supra get this KIND of attention ? Nope. And thats why the Z sold more THAN the supra back than, not because it was "2-3k" cheaper but because it has more heritage for all you fast an the fictinous fanboys.
@michaelsevilla1 ...he is right in every point he made...also that fast and the furious movie was actually based off a article that the director liked...it featured 2 cars which was the mitsubishi starion and the nissan 300zx...the 300zx won....the director liked the article and made the first fast and the furious based from that concept...if you dont beleive go to the bonus features on the first fast and the furious dvd.....michaelsevilla1 is right....SEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND.
ur worried about headlights? the headlights? plus i think 1200hp supras are in the 8's there guy. i love both cars equally, but till there is a 2000+hp Vg30dett. i give it up to the supra.
@mkIIIsupras lol I believe the 300zx is also in the 8's... the search is your friend... I'll give you a hint.... type in "VKM 300zx". they ran 8.8 on 10.5 inch rims + STREET tires. how bout that vg engine....
I really don't get what's so difficult about this. Both engines are equally as capable. Difference is When Fast & Furious came out, ppl developed major hard ons for them and sunk assloads of $ into them. sink assloads of $ into the Z... and you get the same result.
I just picked up another Z32 91 160,000 miles black/black for $2,900 in Garland Texas from some vietnamese guy about two months ago! What are you talking about?
Yeah thats how much you think you know about the vg motor pal, all supra fanboys look up george lacazano. 1700RWHP VG motor. Ran 6s. Thank you come again. Stupid jz fanboys pisses me off sometimes.
Who cares? there are MORE z32s on the road than supras PERIOD. it was a more popular car and sold more and had potential like the supra did for a cheaper cost. And yes George Lacazano ran 6s buddy with a VG. Thank YOU come again.
The z was cheaper from the dealer!... just say that.... It was offered Turbo,N/a,2+2,etc... The Supra was offered with a TT or N/A.
George Lacazano??!!LOL If I sit here in my CPU and name the amount of Supra owners in the 6's,7's,8's,9 daily driven cars,10-second MKIV's which is about 90% of Supra owners, I would be here for ever!LOL ... yeah, how bout that Lacazano??!!!LOL
no most supra owners are not running 10's. The difference in Supra owners and Z's isn't very big. The problem is bench racing faggots who don't own either and only wish they could own one or the other.
Both are very competitive cars and both have HUGE potential. JUN still holds the landspeed record with a Z32. The supra is a massive achievement in technology and the 2jz is a awesome powerplant.
Stop encouraging ignorance. They both are great examples of Japanese sports manufactures
@MountainTomb@MountainTomb LOL. How many Houston TK's have you been to?When referring to bench racing faggots, are you referring to yourself? Don't be too hard on yourself buddy. ;)
It's easy to run big on the track or the highway with the MKIV than it is to do it on the Z, that's a fact. I could give two shits who holds the record for the most vagina on a dyno or whatever that is your claming. Pound for pound, the MKIV is the way to go, financially & performance. Don't believe me, ask me?lol
@MountainTomb nissan engines are shit. 90% of VG's leak oil. they just thought slapping turbos on random shit sounded good so they did. the zx is fast but the twin turbo model should be faster than it is. I do agree the 2jz is a monster.
@Nay300zx i know. i just dont like nissan after an experience of a 98 pathfinder. im being a hater. but isnt a stock zxtt faster than a stock supra turbo?
The MKIV was made to compete on the level of a 911, The Z32 was designed as a race car not intended for production, unfortunately, it was a monumental failure and was detuned for release as a production car, which it again failed to live up to the Z Legacy. My and and I raced he has a Z32 and I have a Single turbo supra. The fact is, he has spend more than me on his car and mines faster and I am 2 seconds quicker around a track than him.
not at all. i dont know where you got that information from but its wrong. As for the pricing, im sure you paid a hell of a lot more for your car then he did for his Z
no, 300zx: 8k for car then 9k on the upgrades (tt conversion, suspension, exhaust + labour) Supra: 16k on car.
300zx: 220kw
Supra: 350kw
Labour on 300zx is a headfuck because the engine is so bloody huge you have to pull it out to do anywork on it. The 2jz is just leagues ahead of the vg30. Im not saying this because i hate nissans or anything, i own a sil80 and think its a great car, im just saying power and performance wise the supra and 300zx can not be compared.
@bllbrd Where the smeg did u source that pile of spam from? The MkIV was Toyotas answer to the Nissan 300zx - in fact they postphoned and redesigned it to compete with Nissan Z. The Z32 won IMSA and Leman and dominated to the point where the VG30DETT was outlawed as being "unfair" The 4th gen 300zx was in production for a decade and is one of the best selling sports cars of all time.
r u fucking stupid??? in the description it says both cars 400+hp, and i said IF both cars were same hp, and i also said the supra murked the 300zx so shut the fuck up and go back to grade 9 english u dumb fuck
Toyota supra 1993 up 2jz were made to compete against a 911 turbo but of the expanse that toyota sold it for dropped it to a lower class. The supra slalom at 68.5 thats nearly almost 0.89g as the nissan slalom at 67 not far behind about 0.87.5g and a quicker accelaration for the supra it wipe the nissan out they had to compare the supra to a nissan skyline which everyone knows that nissan skyline r33 stands no chance until the GTR R34 came upon. But besides that the supra had the better motor.
i like Supra motors.., but i agree with u BSKpride.., the Z32 won 4 championship races in the US, while the R32 GTR was KILLING its opponent in Japan! The Z32TT was driven by Steve Millen during the Championship race, enuff said!
The Z32 no longer holds the record, its a boostlogic supra that ran 246.2mph. And whats wrong with the 2JZ? It can hit a way higher rpm range than the VG or VQ, inline 6 always have. V-6 has such a longer stroke, but ethier way I like the 300zx even tho im a supra owner.
i like supras but its just the big heads these morons get. George Lacazano hit 6s in a 1/4 with a VG. 1700RWHP. Power? Yep. Vg pwns. I love the 2jz but these morons really take it over the top and 2. The 300zx in this vid missed gear and was only pushing 340hp.
supra holds the Texas mile record hitting 228mph in only a mile. If a supra could accelerate that hard in only a mile it can do 260mph on the bonniville flats with the right gearing. Besides thats an old ass record technology has come along way since the 90s...
so my first car was a honda prelude, then my 2nd was a nissan skyline. Now Im deciding between a 280zx/300zx(z31) or a mark3 Supra. Freaking hard decision!!!
BUT I STILL LOVE THE MK4 SUPRA BEST! IT HAS A BODY YOU CAN NEVER GET TIRED OF! AND THE Z32 IS SOOO FUN!! MY TWIN BROTHER WANTED A Z32, BUT HE'S IN HEAVEN, SO I GOT A REALLY BAD ASS Z32, AND A 95 MK4 SUPRA! NOW I CAN TALK SHIT, AND BACK IT UP, AND CLOWN EVERYTHING FAGGY FRONT WHEEL DRIVE!! PLUS EATING SOME HORSE MEAT (mustangs) IS FUN TOO! I LOVE CORNERING FASTER THAN THOSE THINGS! MY NEXT CAR IS A 95 RX-7. I'M GOING TO DROP A 2JZ IN IT, AND RAPE CARS IN THE MOUTH, PUSSY, AND ASS!! FUCK FF CARS!
PLUS, Back in 1994, NISSAN entered a Z32 in the 24hr Le Mans, and WON in it's class! Beating alot of V6s, and V8s. THEN, NISSAN entered TWO more Z32s in a second race, in the same year,, and WON AGAIN! (One had a V6TT, and the second Z had a NIASSAN V8), but this time, cry baby ford, and other well known us auto makers complained to the LE Mans people, and the 2nd win was taken away from NISSAN, but NISSAN proved to EVERYONE that a V6 can outperform cars with more power!!
LETS LOOK AT THE "FACTS"! Did you know the Z32 still holds two WORLD RECORDS TODAY! The Z32 beat all japan and us auto makers in 1991, at Utah's salt flats with a 267mph run. The Z32 had 986hp!! the car was made by JUNO AUTO in Japan! The same company built a MK4 SUPRA with 1300hp, but only got 247mph! AND I LOVE THE SUPRA WAY MORE!! THE SUPRA LOOKS BETTER THAN ALOT OF SHIT! AND THE Z32 IS MY 3RD FAVORITE CAR, BUT IT STILL HAS A WORLD RECORD! I NOW OWN A 91 Z32(2 seater), and a 95 SUPRA. HEAVEN!
I'm sorry but we have to disagree. I have no idea where you got this information... Toyota wanted to take on European sports/supercars with the mk4 Supra especially Porsche. There's many articles about that.
stock for stock the z beats the supra in the 1/4 mile by about .4 of a second.. not bad for a car with less hp and less weight.. Supras=Dyno Queens;) Love them both to death though!
the 2jz's valve train was built by yamaha. same with the new isf motor. but the sc300 gs300 is300 have 2jzge's and im sure you know the rest of the cars with the gte's in them.
lol, or a 2 seater weighs about 3,250lbs and the 2+2 weighs around 3500lbs, now a 3000gt vr-4 weighs 3,800lbs..but it's awd. So where did you get your numbers.....
I think i'd have to agree with TT300ZX. you really cant judge a car if you havent ever owned one, more/less atleast ridden in one. we dont have many skylines here, and even when people see an NA one they gawk at it, as if it were god himself. i'd even personally say the 2JZ is better all around moreso than the RB26, based upon liters, and configuration of the motor. skylines look amazing, and can handle some boost, but all in all, theyre no better than the VG or 2JZ. its all about parts.
i'd have to strongly disagree with you. my cousin owns an R33, and that sucker is mean. 622HP at the wheels. eats corvettes, and vipers all day at the tracks.
and im savin up to buy it from him. so hell no. skylines own!
the reason people underestimate the vg against the 2jz is because the 2jz have tons of aftermarket support, 2jz was an N/a motor for the sc300 (did u know that the twin turbo setup was contracted out to germany and wasnt even built by Toyota?)VG, 2jz both great motor for 3.0L, but 2.6L for the RB putting down 350rwhp stock on 7PSI on spec V, cant complain
rb26 does not put down 350awhp on 7 psi. (assuming you meant to say AWHP and not rwhp.)
rb26 is 300bhp, how can you fucking sit there and dribble shit it dyno's 50hp higher to the wheels, than its crank figure?? fuck the stupidity of some amazes me.. if you saw it on a dyno, the dyno's configured wrong, they should pump about 250awhp.
ok smart guy, tell me when has nissan ever report the actual hp of their gtr. GT-R are notoriously known for underrated power from the factory, You think the v-spec II and the regular are the same 280hp? AND the gt-r are rear wheel based especially under acceleration with no traction loss. So naive, believing in the gentlemen's pack of 280hp cap is absolutely BS.
i believe they produce more than 280bhp, i know this. first hand..
but instead of producing about 280bhp they hit about 300-310bhp. honestly.. your from america.. you dont get many there.. we get them here by the dozen in australia.. i've beaten 8 r32gtr's, and 1 r33 gtr, and come accross no 34's in my 300zx.
really.. as a yankie i understand why your a fanboy.. cause you've never been in a torqueless GTR before.. i have.. in a few..
but go ahead and defend a car you've never owned before.
all this assumsuption that I'm white, and never been in one is based on your psychic power? Torque is not everything, it is only part of the equation. YOu dont see diesel pickup truck beating anyone.
never fuckin said u were white, done give a shit either, could be blue for all i care, you still have no hands on experience. and your reply makes it obvious.. pickup trucks are designed to carry loads end of story, grab a high-ish revving, load of torque producing motor.. your precious rb26 is left in the dust by a.. oh.. say.. LS1 with a turboo wooooooooooo.. or even a 2jz/vg30.. rb26 arent the godsend you read about in real life.. own one then talk.. if not just be quiet and dont gospel.
i have a 240sx with a RB26 in it. i dyno it when installed and ran 283hp. After i ran PSI pressure from the turbo it was boosting 13.4psi stock with 283hp. My buddy Bobby drives a Toyota Supra 1993 2Jz-a80 has about 320hp and boosting 11.1psi. I was amaze because the 2jz is alot more powerful than my rb26 but my RB26 is only 2.6liter while my buddy is 3.0 liter. So if you compared it if the RB26 was an 3.0liter also with 13psi it would only be as good as 2JZ. LBS by HP 2JZ is an awesome motor.
yeah, well everyone talks about how good the rb26 is, 90% of the people who do talk about them dont own one, they arent the best motor in the world, best 2.6 yes.. but the 2jz, and the vg will both outpower the rb26 at same boost level/turbos. oh not to mention the torque.
if the RB26 was a 3.0 liter lol. if if was a 5th we'd all be drunk Tmoua that's something you're expected to say when you get your doors blown off by an LS1
ok, i own that Z in the video. and i have to say, i love my Z, and i have done a bit of work since then. but i dont have anything against supra's. i love both of em. the Z's engine is stronger, and puts out more power from the motor, and is less expensive. but the supra has ALOT of parts available, and are easier to work on. and both cars look amazing. both are great cars, it just so happens mariano's was faster. it was a race, and he won. point blank. but i look forward to racing him again.
Stock internals on a Z are much more capable, nothing in the range of withstanding 1000hp, but still very strong.
okay... Inline vs V engines... V configuration is much stronger, besides arent the most powerful engines in the world V configuration... Lambs, McLarens...
Uh no they are not stock pistons on the Z are cast not the rods though and no they will not match up to a 2jz which are known to put down 800-900 on stock blocks
i normally like the nissans but the supra just looked really hot there so go the supra but if it was a supra verse a skyline then i would most def go the skyline!!
i would have to strongly disagree with you there. The 2jz relys on boost wayyy too much for its power, when the VG30 gets its power from the engine itself. match up a supra and a Z with the same boost psi, and the Z would most likely win by a decent gap.
im a huge fan of the z's but it's obvious the supra wasn't supercharged if it was nd was proboably modded more it would of been a great match if the both we're equally tuned
Hey guy's, why dont you all stop waisting your breath! All you Paul Walker groupee's simply type in 300ZX vs. Supra and see how many times the Supra gets beat down by the Z!Way more times than the other way around, I guarantee it! I had one, loved it and regret ever selling it! By far on the best cars ever made. So once again, stop watching F&F and learn something for a change. Damned follower's!
no way.. supra engine = stronger then the VG.. nd im a nissan guy. you see VG's pushin 1000hp safely on stock internals? u hear the supra doin that on a regular basis. im not biased, im just goin by facts.
you 'hear' about it, you never see it.. the 2j wont make 1000hp on the stock internals, thats a complete and utter lie.. they will make about 550-600 max. dont argue, because all you are going off is based off what other people have said. you have no actual hands on knowledge do you.
Uhh...my 2J is making 700whp and has been driving that way for YEARS. Stock head, intake, block, cams, stock head bolts and gasket too. Batlground Supra made 1100whp and ran 8's all season on the same motor. Stock Block, nothing done to it at all. No hearsay, I was there and ran with them during their time in NDRA. This has been done to death with the 2J.
Are you serious?lol Back when I had my 1994 MKIV I hit 686RWHP with a SP67 P-trim kit. I drove it for about 4 years until I sold it, not one issue. I then bought a 199715th anniversary and went with a small t61 and hit 502RWHP at 18PSI. Most of my buddies are running SP71 GT42's etc.. all beyond the 700+ mark for years now and not one issue besides driveshaft snapping.. What are you talking about? Go to Supraforums and read up on MKIV guys and records that are held. You need to inform yourself.
BIG deal dude. They're are plenty of z32s hitting over 1000rwhp daily driven on boost alone so dont pull the I have a single turbo on a stock motor bullshit because plenty of 2js have been recorded to have a huge amount of wear on the stock internals once ran over 600rwhp. And yes a z32 has hit 700rwhp on stock internals as well. and my z32 doubtful will be giving me any issues. The supra never won as many awards as the z32 did and it didnt SELL as much as the z32 did either. Thank u come again
Go to a Texas MKIV meet when they get together. Look at how many Z's really want to race a Supra?LOL I have never lost to Z32 in my lifetime! If you get 20 MKIv's from regular people ridding out, and 20 Z32's to ride out asweel, I can guarantee you that 90% of the races will go to the MKIV, that's a fact bozo. Z's hit 1000rwhp on stock internals??LOL Yeah, ok!! Awards??LOL Yeah, the only award the Z has earned in the states is the award of any average Joe can drive one!!LOL
LOL averge joe can drive one? Any moron can buy a supra with a budget of 20-30k lol. But they make much better now for the same price and faster. Thank YOU come again also the awards include Motortrend car of the year moron. What award did the supra win? wheres the heritage of a car that put japan on the map? Thats right the z32 did thank you pal. And you have opinions NOT facts like I do.
hah kids do have z32s, But morons willing to pay 30k for a 20 year old car is more common lol. You can get a used GT500 or perhaps a new camaro SS LOL. U have no arguement buddy other than making it seem like not many people can get supras when their are smarter people who can get better shit for cheaper. Thats why an average TTZ costs about 8k in good order and drop 2k into it, you're running high 12s lol. an the supra?u gotta pay 20k more to BUY it ! LOL! for what? 320hp? Oh wow.
hahhahah yeah totally agree only idiots buy the overpriced POS supra. got my 91 TT for 6k with many mods done to it and new engine with only 45,000 miles on it.
supras aren't overpriced, you're just broke as f*** ;D
and trust me, they're worth every penny. You'll understand when that VG30 begins to overheat if it hasn't already. Remember: Denial doesn't take us far, supras do ;D
I agree people who have problems with the Z will have problems with any motor out there and ....and if theres is a motor known to have overheating problems is the 2jz due to the long inline head sometimes the head gaskets fails and stuff. but even on the supra and any other car, maintenance is a must. Sometimes people say oh working on the z is a hard bla bla bla.......bullshit! if you suck as a mechanic go back and work on a fucking geo metro! or better go buy a fucking electric car.
Plenty of us in DFW MKIV community have owned MKIV's since the late 90's. Most when single after 2000, and to this day, they are still in the same range if not more 600RWHP for 9-10 years! Go to Supraforums any other forum regarding MKIV's. Hondas hit 700FWHP numbers too, are they consider high sports cars?!lol.. they won more awards than any other import. lol
whos talking about hondas buddy? lol dude your so full of shit u have no proof and no argument to what I've state. The z32 is cheaper and has had more awards than the supra. Also SOLD more, and has MORE heritage to japan and all sports cars. Infact the supra wouldnt be what it is today if it wasn't for toyota getting owned by the Z.
Your talking about, Z32 has done this, Z32 has done that, So who gives a shit, Honda has done more than any other import, so what's your point with that? So your saying Z32 has done more than the MKIV, and for that reason it's better?!!LOL Hondas has done more in circuits, does it make it better than Supra, I think not!! You have no common sense!
Z32 sold more because it was cheaper!! I could pick up a Z32 for $1500 bucks and a Turbo for $2900!LOL... yeah, it's still the cheap bitch it is!
iT SOLD more because it was the more popular car, Everyone knew toyota bullshitted about the numbers it supposely "did" thats right its still a cheaper bitch hahah and thanks for agreeing that you can get better OR just as good for cheaper! AND they STILL make it as well, not like the discountinued supra lol.
jgrayre, it's not about people "following" Fast and the Furious. Engineering wise, the 2JZ-GTE in the Supra is just a better engine compared to the VG30DETT. Period. It's been proven time and time again. So give it up Nissan boy.
at the bonneville salt flats in 1991 the jun 300ZX set a class record of 262mph jun later sent a supra but it failed to beet the speed record the Z still has it to this day
oh and Jorge Lazcano's VG30DETT 300ZX has a best 1/4 time of 7.09 try to find a 2JZ-GTE Supra with a better one
Actually, the HKS supra ran 6.83. I can't believe this is even being argued. The 2J is just more capable in factory form. Not only do the 2J's make good power on the stock block, but they can do it as daily drivers. Just because you can do it for a few dyno pulls, and run around town for a week or 2, doesn't make it impressive. These guys with the 2J are driving 15k/yr with their cars at 850+whp. That's more of a feat than anything.
You're right, I was mistaken. However, Vinny Ten was running 6's years ago with his supra. In fact, thre are a ton of PRO cars that are running the GTE motor. Titan, Bullish, etc. There's a reason why that motor is the choice, and not the VG.
i'll even admit, that even after i lost this race, i have learned alot more about Z's and my car, and supra's. but i cant argue with the facts that with the Z and supra racing with the exact same mods, the Z would win, even with 3 less psi. because of the bigger bore and stroke. not to mention that i didnt know the car as well back then cause i had just gotten it, and it had bad compression leaks in cylinder's 3 and 5.
the vg30 has few issues but being a v6 doesnt help its cause especially against l6's...oh and rb26 being outta 2js league??? why is it because the stock 2j is PROVEN to handle nearly twice the power of the rb?or is it because it can do it with less revs? you better lay off tht crack pipe son the real world isnt like GT4
wat issues are that?u didn't even know dat the vg had a bigger bore than the supra and didn't even know it was faster out of the box. You've proven your ignorance once again, I bet you didn't even know the vg was rated a better design than the 2j lol. Go buy urself a supra and race a ZXTT and lets see what you think after you get beat.twice the power agaist rb? ur an idiot and got it backwards, ever heard of 1600 hp rb? even if the 2j had 1200hp and vg had 1000hp it still wins sad huh?its facts
hahahahaha love zcars but better than a supra?????wake up noddy and smell the tyre smoke...only jap car thts better than supra is skyline gtr and thts only because gtr was built as a race car...oh and 2jzgte is easily the strongest engine to come from japan period...followed by the rb26...vg30 strong standard BUT when all 3 are modded it doesnt even come close
dude you know about as much as a blonde trying to change her own oil. The 2JZ has a smaller bore than the vg30 . Meaning the vg doesn't rely on as much boost as the supra ., if you took a supra with 22 psi vs a z with 22 psi...the Z would easly win. Even if it were 18 psi the z would still win. The rb is outta toyota's league study an work on both cars than talk shit
okay vg30s are great engines a lot of people underestimate them...but im not one of them they were the best jap engine till the rb26 came out i agree lb 4 lb they are #1 BUT how many lbs can they handle stock?.whats tht another bhg!overheating!how many bearing caps has a vg30 got?is tht 4 vs 7??which engine is more balanced l6vsv6?can it rev to 9k stock??why do people build sooo many more rb's and 2j's as there choice of engine?
btw i didnt see the toyota supra as the best sports car for 15 years in a row wow I guess I must be imagining things. Your a fanboi study both cars and stop watching fast and the furious, last time I checked a 1051 rwhp Z is stronger than a 1200 hp supra..wow gotta love the vg's engine design. BTW if you don't bealive me research it and find the truth be brought to light , so stop leading the blind :P
yeah. thats me in the Z. i love my Z n everything, but im not gonna lie. mariano's supra was pretty fast. and i did lose fair and square. although i did make a few adjustments since then, and wouldnt mind racing him again
In Japan only the GTR rivles the Supra so how can you say that the 300zx gave birth to the Supra your so dam stuped. and for the guy who owns a z and supra TT, i feel bad for you man im not even going to start.
dude your a fucking idiot. The GTr WILL SMOKE a supra...they don;t even compare.
In EVERY MAGAZINE the 300zx TT rivals the supra or let me rephrase it, The Supra Rivals the 300zx. Its design isn't as sophisticated as the dual inline 3 V design. Just because the supra has more boost and more hp but doesn't run 13.8 in a 1/4 doesn't mean the 300zx is a pos. Last I checked stock for stock the z has beaten the supra time an time again. The motortrend 1/4 mile times were a FRUAD from toyota .
stock for stock the 300zx tt is an all around better car.
The supra is known for its ability to handle tons of power after modifications, but stock its nothing spectacular. Supras handling out of the box is decent at best. Ive never seen a stock supra on any top performance lists while time after time the Z is there
HA the Z gave birth to the supra !! BITCH PLEASE your just mad because your piece of shit 300zx can never beat a supra. I can't belive you acualy said the z gave birth to the supra and NSX LMAOOO please go suck a nut man the NSX will always better than a Z. Im not a Z hater but that car can never be better than a supra the supra is just better accept that and just go drive your car.
The supra was redesigned in 1993 because the 1990- 1992 got their ass kicked by the Z. Toyota went back to the drawing board an still failed because their motor isn't as strong as the dual inline 3 learn your math boy the 300zx has faster 1.4 times stock than a supra, the GTR just all around doesn't compare agaist such a low level like a supra
When the supra first came out,it only beat the 300zx twin turbo by 1 point...remember the Z was named one of the 10 best handling cars in the world.And im a proud the owner of a twin turboZ.the Z gave birth to the supra,nsx and rx7.end of story.
i totally agree thats why toyota **went back to the drawing board** and last time I CHECKED the 300zx had faster 1.4 mile times than the supra and toyota lied about the speed of that hyped up of a car
I love both cars id like to own both lol supra is nasty n old school z is sick from the get go
240sxify 1 week ago
giiiiigggeettty, stop comparing the two.. both = excellent cars, but as a z32 owner id say it is definetly more rare to see a mk4 supra compared to z32.... 2j vs vg= who has more money to spend.
TheZeedrifter 1 month ago
BTW I own a Z32TT only pushing about 360whp on stock turbos and loving it.It's all around run car. Put Z32 and supra on twisties and I'm sure Z32 will dust supras.I will pass on the supra never was a fan of the exterior. If I were to own a 2jz it's going to be an SC300 with 2jz in it.
Pennychaser1 2 months ago
Deeper pocket wins no matter what car. You can dump $15K in a hyundai exel and it'll kick Z32's and supras' asses. lmao
Pennychaser1 2 months ago
@Pennychaser1 all too true lol
HamburgersAndBowties 3 weeks ago
Because inline engines are better. The vg is good but the 2jz is also good. You don't gotta make everything complicated. And they cost more the same way a 64 must and is so much more than a ford galaxy. The cars just worth more
11cyrus11 2 months ago
@11cyrus11 yeah thats true inline engines are the best..... oh wait... hang on... ummm most race cars that do not have a inline 4 run an engine in a V configuration... for example gt500 supra.. either 3S-GTE or 4.5 litre V8... oh hang on.. the Skyline.. errr the RB was dropped because it was to nose heavy with the 4wd being dropped and the VQ30DETT was more reilable choice...
but true VG series and 2jz are good, but it came down to Yamaha for toyota to get it right.
NosFedZ32 3 weeks ago
is vg is such a good motor... why do so many people drop 2jz's in their 300zx? just saying... also if they are sssooo comparable... why does the supra cost 3-4 times more? .. just saying again.
myc013 2 months ago
3000gt, skyline, 300zx, supra, impeza and evo. If i can own one of each in my life, i will die happy. Maybe an m5 or rs4/6 too.
LethalJizzle 5 months ago
Only bitches complain about the z being hard to work on.
n3n3rokinutube 6 months ago
i dont car who won the race, obviously the supra is higher tuned because both cars are same stock and both have the same tuning capabilities, rather have the Z tho... but i just dont like toyota
davienlaura 7 months ago
did he record that on a calculator
SpringgBok 7 months ago
i have a 1985 300zx with a v12 in it
thousandhitz 8 months ago
Supra spanked that ass!
zachattk45 9 months ago
Both cars are fuckin amazing so Stfu.
brizzlefizzle 10 months ago
again... i had that 300zx in the video, and i was racing. my 300zx never gave me any problems, that motor was bulletproof. and yes, the VG30DETT did burn about a quart of oil between oil changes. Now i'd have to admit, knowing what i know now, i'd rather have a supra. the 300 was such a pain in the ass to work on. cramped motor space, and nothing was convenient, but even so, it was still an incredible machine. the supra had more power, and i short shifted from 3rd to 4th. plain and simple.
NOSZII 1 year ago 2
i too wanted and finally got to owning two z's, one n/a and one TT. I was in love with the TT, until of course i heard of the TT supra :D
And yes its very true that the VG30DETT engine is capable of good power, but its completely unreliable so who cares. So my advice for all you enthusiasts who aspire to own either of these cars would be to pocket the 2k you'd spend on buying a 300z and save a year's worth of your parent's combined income and find even a beaten up supra, its well worth it.
daddyjunkie 1 year ago
@daddyjunkie Completely unreliable? HA! You have just shown everyone on here you don't know much.
rmalik23 10 months ago
@rmalik23
well gee don't i feel exposed...
daddyjunkie 5 months ago
i wanted a 300zx b4 i got my supra both are amazing cars
93mkivSupra98 1 year ago
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DATSUN BITCH!!!!
ALL THE WAY!
Im in a turbo Z. They got a car,but cant catch me. They got a bike,but cant catch me. So, they got plane, just when they about to catch me the motherf&^%*ng Twin Turbos kick in...
TEUFELHuNDEN420 1 year ago
i have a 300zx tt and thats my baby but i also want to own a supra.looking to buy one next summer
lionheart1028 1 year ago
how much was sticker pice on a mk4 supra
ASCmustang88 2 years ago
all i can see is ur Camera Bumpin! -_-
auhstar 2 years ago
++++NEWS FLASH+++ most supras you see driving around are slow. Every one thinks If you have a supra your fast WRONG thats why you never see them at track other than the 1000hp guys. I have beat every supra I have raced. The 2j is a very good engine but every one buys one and its stock or they strap a T67 on it and think they're fast
DVcustomZ 2 years ago
the supra is a 2jzgte inline 6 and the 300zx is a vg30dett V6
trusupra 2 years ago
Z32 it's like 2 years older then supra....it's not THAT much older then supra, 2 years difference isn't much of a deal.
Anyway...it's pretty clear witch one has the better engine.
AfflictionFTW 2 years ago
Well, the 300zx TT is much older than the MK4 supra, it was a little bit cheaper (here in germany you bought them for the same price, 100.000DM, 50.000$ in 1994. For this you got a 968 Porsche, which had "only" 239HP!)
In germany the TT Supra is still very expensive - 20000€ for a car with 100000 miles that is 15 years old. For a 300zx with 100000 miles you pay about 4000-7000€. The difference is that the supra is still a modern car, the 300zx is a little bit "old". But still great
FukEmUp145 2 years ago
no supra is just extremely overpriced thats all.
707umair 2 years ago
You will not find a decent TT for $2900. They are cheaper than Supras though, but any moron can dump cash and have a fast car. You could easily have a 500hp TT for the extra that you would spend on a good Supra.
Both cars are amazing and ,in my opinion, equally capable all around (not just power).
albertkole 2 years ago
Yeah as the old joke goes, whats a 400hp supra have in common with a 1200hp supra? 12 second timeslips. The z32 was honored car of the year from motortrend, its also been honored the most beatiful car in 20 years, also other awards, an shit even little shit like Lambo using it's headlights for their exotic. Look it up pal, you don't see lambo putting in bubble lights from the supras on their vehicles, nope instead they used the z32's headlights lol
michaelsevilla1 2 years ago
U're a ignorant buffoon.
When Lamborghini was using pop-up lights, Nissan was still called Datsun.
AfflictionFTW 2 years ago
And besides Lamborghini headlights have nothing in common with Z32.
AfflictionFTW 2 years ago
@AfflictionFTW Your a fucking idiot. Do some searching you moron, Lambo USED the z32 headlights style on one of their monster vehicles. SEARCH is your friend noob. Does the supra get this KIND of attention ? Nope. And thats why the Z sold more THAN the supra back than, not because it was "2-3k" cheaper but because it has more heritage for all you fast an the fictinous fanboys.
michaelsevilla1 2 years ago
@michaelsevilla1
for fucking real.
rollingwith24s 2 years ago
@michaelsevilla1 ...he is right in every point he made...also that fast and the furious movie was actually based off a article that the director liked...it featured 2 cars which was the mitsubishi starion and the nissan 300zx...the 300zx won....the director liked the article and made the first fast and the furious based from that concept...if you dont beleive go to the bonus features on the first fast and the furious dvd.....michaelsevilla1 is right....SEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND.
300zxkid 2 years ago
ur worried about headlights? the headlights? plus i think 1200hp supras are in the 8's there guy. i love both cars equally, but till there is a 2000+hp Vg30dett. i give it up to the supra.
mkIIIsupras 1 year ago
@mkIIIsupras lol I believe the 300zx is also in the 8's... the search is your friend... I'll give you a hint.... type in "VKM 300zx". they ran 8.8 on 10.5 inch rims + STREET tires. how bout that vg engine....
I really don't get what's so difficult about this. Both engines are equally as capable. Difference is When Fast & Furious came out, ppl developed major hard ons for them and sunk assloads of $ into them. sink assloads of $ into the Z... and you get the same result.
thejfactors 1 year ago
I just picked up another Z32 91 160,000 miles black/black for $2,900 in Garland Texas from some vietnamese guy about two months ago! What are you talking about?
hushg2000 2 years ago
Y did you buy it if tits a crap car. its probably ragged out. Good shape NA 300 can cost up to 5k The TT can run up to 20k in good condition.
DVcustomZ 2 years ago
Yeah thats how much you think you know about the vg motor pal, all supra fanboys look up george lacazano. 1700RWHP VG motor. Ran 6s. Thank you come again. Stupid jz fanboys pisses me off sometimes.
michaelsevilla1 2 years ago
HKS supra, Vinny, APR MKIV, ran 7's in 1997-2000!!lol Your point? There are more powerful MKIV's on the road then they are Z's, that's a fact.
hushg2000 2 years ago
Who cares? there are MORE z32s on the road than supras PERIOD. it was a more popular car and sold more and had potential like the supra did for a cheaper cost. And yes George Lacazano ran 6s buddy with a VG. Thank YOU come again.
michaelsevilla1 2 years ago
The z was cheaper from the dealer!... just say that.... It was offered Turbo,N/a,2+2,etc... The Supra was offered with a TT or N/A.
George Lacazano??!!LOL If I sit here in my CPU and name the amount of Supra owners in the 6's,7's,8's,9 daily driven cars,10-second MKIV's which is about 90% of Supra owners, I would be here for ever!LOL ... yeah, how bout that Lacazano??!!!LOL
Thank you, and PLEASE DON'T come again!
hushg2000 2 years ago
lol uh huh and how many supras are those? right thats any moron willing to pay 30k for a 20 year old car with 320 hp ROFL!
michaelsevilla1 2 years ago
@hushg2000
no most supra owners are not running 10's. The difference in Supra owners and Z's isn't very big. The problem is bench racing faggots who don't own either and only wish they could own one or the other.
Both are very competitive cars and both have HUGE potential. JUN still holds the landspeed record with a Z32. The supra is a massive achievement in technology and the 2jz is a awesome powerplant.
Stop encouraging ignorance. They both are great examples of Japanese sports manufactures
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hushg2000 1 year ago
@MountainTomb @MountainTomb LOL. How many Houston TK's have you been to?When referring to bench racing faggots, are you referring to yourself? Don't be too hard on yourself buddy. ;)
It's easy to run big on the track or the highway with the MKIV than it is to do it on the Z, that's a fact. I could give two shits who holds the record for the most vagina on a dyno or whatever that is your claming. Pound for pound, the MKIV is the way to go, financially & performance. Don't believe me, ask me?lol
hushg2000 1 year ago
@MountainTomb nissan engines are shit. 90% of VG's leak oil. they just thought slapping turbos on random shit sounded good so they did. the zx is fast but the twin turbo model should be faster than it is. I do agree the 2jz is a monster.
MangoSmoothie16 1 year ago
@MangoSmoothie16 You really dont like Zs huh - or is this just school boy Supras are better bullying?
C'mon 90% of VGs leak oil? What a freakin absurd statment pulled from your nether region! The VG is one of Nissans herald engines.
Like the Supra the Z had to be speed limited and "detuned" for mass production/Japan government regulations.
Nay300zx 1 year ago
@Nay300zx i know. i just dont like nissan after an experience of a 98 pathfinder. im being a hater. but isnt a stock zxtt faster than a stock supra turbo?
MangoSmoothie16 1 year ago
nice supra : / lol... thats about it...
Geerthy22 2 years ago
az?
eviloracle 2 years ago
The MKIV was made to compete on the level of a 911, The Z32 was designed as a race car not intended for production, unfortunately, it was a monumental failure and was detuned for release as a production car, which it again failed to live up to the Z Legacy. My and and I raced he has a Z32 and I have a Single turbo supra. The fact is, he has spend more than me on his car and mines faster and I am 2 seconds quicker around a track than him.
bllbrd 2 years ago
not at all. i dont know where you got that information from but its wrong. As for the pricing, im sure you paid a hell of a lot more for your car then he did for his Z
Reese1222 2 years ago
no, 300zx: 8k for car then 9k on the upgrades (tt conversion, suspension, exhaust + labour) Supra: 16k on car.
300zx: 220kw
Supra: 350kw
Labour on 300zx is a headfuck because the engine is so bloody huge you have to pull it out to do anywork on it. The 2jz is just leagues ahead of the vg30. Im not saying this because i hate nissans or anything, i own a sil80 and think its a great car, im just saying power and performance wise the supra and 300zx can not be compared.
bllbrd 2 years ago
@bllbrd still prefer the z32. supras are so boy racer these days, it sucks because theyre actually good cars
Hermit1717 1 year ago
@bllbrd Where the smeg did u source that pile of spam from? The MkIV was Toyotas answer to the Nissan 300zx - in fact they postphoned and redesigned it to compete with Nissan Z. The Z32 won IMSA and Leman and dominated to the point where the VG30DETT was outlawed as being "unfair" The 4th gen 300zx was in production for a decade and is one of the best selling sports cars of all time.
Nay300zx 1 year ago 9
I would take both of them cause they are so bad ass
235Army 2 years ago
Uhm... Stock N/A 300zx vs a Supra... Those cars were not 400+ hp...
drothefuture 2 years ago
thats becuz all toyota's rock...
tsab1993 2 years ago
if both cars are same hp, it all comes down to how light the car is, and the type of tranny and blah blah blah. the supra murked the 300zx lol
corvette114 2 years ago
both cars do not come with the same hp,dont talk if you dont know.
stock 300zx is 300hp with 280 torqe,and the supra 320hp with 315torqe.
I drove both cars and the supra is way faster then the zx.
ganuv 2 years ago
r u fucking stupid??? in the description it says both cars 400+hp, and i said IF both cars were same hp, and i also said the supra murked the 300zx so shut the fuck up and go back to grade 9 english u dumb fuck
corvette114 2 years ago 2
I fucked your cock sucking fagot mouth you fucking little punk.
shut your mouth until i say you can talk.go suck dick mother fucker.
ganuv 2 years ago
hahah nice
forxsho 2 years ago
twit
aussiemacca88 2 years ago
Toyota supra 1993 up 2jz were made to compete against a 911 turbo but of the expanse that toyota sold it for dropped it to a lower class. The supra slalom at 68.5 thats nearly almost 0.89g as the nissan slalom at 67 not far behind about 0.87.5g and a quicker accelaration for the supra it wipe the nissan out they had to compare the supra to a nissan skyline which everyone knows that nissan skyline r33 stands no chance until the GTR R34 came upon. But besides that the supra had the better motor.
Tmoua 2 years ago
And thats why the Z32 won the Daytona and came 5th overall in the le mans the same year. oh and also holds a land speed record.
Supras motors are shit compared to the VG and VQ
BSKpride 2 years ago
hahah do some research..
xXDxCarbonx 2 years ago
i like Supra motors.., but i agree with u BSKpride.., the Z32 won 4 championship races in the US, while the R32 GTR was KILLING its opponent in Japan! The Z32TT was driven by Steve Millen during the Championship race, enuff said!
bigkckrva 2 years ago
The Z32 no longer holds the record, its a boostlogic supra that ran 246.2mph. And whats wrong with the 2JZ? It can hit a way higher rpm range than the VG or VQ, inline 6 always have. V-6 has such a longer stroke, but ethier way I like the 300zx even tho im a supra owner.
Improperstyle 2 years ago
I dont know too much about supra motors being a nissan fan, so i shouldnt of judged because ive never even been in a supra
All i can say is i really enjoy driving my Z32 TT Z and thats what im happy with.
Alot of other cars are faster. but thats up to the people that race
BSKpride 2 years ago
i like supras but its just the big heads these morons get. George Lacazano hit 6s in a 1/4 with a VG. 1700RWHP. Power? Yep. Vg pwns. I love the 2jz but these morons really take it over the top and 2. The 300zx in this vid missed gear and was only pushing 340hp.
michaelsevilla1 2 years ago
supra holds the Texas mile record hitting 228mph in only a mile. If a supra could accelerate that hard in only a mile it can do 260mph on the bonniville flats with the right gearing. Besides thats an old ass record technology has come along way since the 90s...
massiso22 2 years ago
so my first car was a honda prelude, then my 2nd was a nissan skyline. Now Im deciding between a 280zx/300zx(z31) or a mark3 Supra. Freaking hard decision!!!
SteveSim69 2 years ago
BUT I STILL LOVE THE MK4 SUPRA BEST! IT HAS A BODY YOU CAN NEVER GET TIRED OF! AND THE Z32 IS SOOO FUN!! MY TWIN BROTHER WANTED A Z32, BUT HE'S IN HEAVEN, SO I GOT A REALLY BAD ASS Z32, AND A 95 MK4 SUPRA! NOW I CAN TALK SHIT, AND BACK IT UP, AND CLOWN EVERYTHING FAGGY FRONT WHEEL DRIVE!! PLUS EATING SOME HORSE MEAT (mustangs) IS FUN TOO! I LOVE CORNERING FASTER THAN THOSE THINGS! MY NEXT CAR IS A 95 RX-7. I'M GOING TO DROP A 2JZ IN IT, AND RAPE CARS IN THE MOUTH, PUSSY, AND ASS!! FUCK FF CARS!
juno4000 3 years ago
PLUS, Back in 1994, NISSAN entered a Z32 in the 24hr Le Mans, and WON in it's class! Beating alot of V6s, and V8s. THEN, NISSAN entered TWO more Z32s in a second race, in the same year,, and WON AGAIN! (One had a V6TT, and the second Z had a NIASSAN V8), but this time, cry baby ford, and other well known us auto makers complained to the LE Mans people, and the 2nd win was taken away from NISSAN, but NISSAN proved to EVERYONE that a V6 can outperform cars with more power!!
juno4000 3 years ago
LETS LOOK AT THE "FACTS"! Did you know the Z32 still holds two WORLD RECORDS TODAY! The Z32 beat all japan and us auto makers in 1991, at Utah's salt flats with a 267mph run. The Z32 had 986hp!! the car was made by JUNO AUTO in Japan! The same company built a MK4 SUPRA with 1300hp, but only got 247mph! AND I LOVE THE SUPRA WAY MORE!! THE SUPRA LOOKS BETTER THAN ALOT OF SHIT! AND THE Z32 IS MY 3RD FAVORITE CAR, BUT IT STILL HAS A WORLD RECORD! I NOW OWN A 91 Z32(2 seater), and a 95 SUPRA. HEAVEN!
juno4000 3 years ago
I'm sorry but we have to disagree. I have no idea where you got this information... Toyota wanted to take on European sports/supercars with the mk4 Supra especially Porsche. There's many articles about that.
fictiveaudio 3 years ago
No, the MKIV Supra was made to perform better than the Porsche 911. Toyota wanted a Ferrari performance car, the were not bothered about the z32
fictiveaudio 3 years ago
maybe..... but how do you know for sure thats amk iv supra ...?????lol but maybe your right
nissmo123 3 years ago
I'm in Saint Rose, holla at me if you want to line em up. 1996 Mustang GT. (504) 615-5851
butanebird91 3 years ago
The truth of the matter is that it all comes down to how much $ you are willing to spend. Both cars can be modded to 1000+ hp.
Cuisee 3 years ago
stock for stock the z beats the supra in the 1/4 mile by about .4 of a second.. not bad for a car with less hp and less weight.. Supras=Dyno Queens;) Love them both to death though!
deadlyz 3 years ago
the 300zx was never ment to compete with the supra .. thats why there's a close sibling called GT-R
nissmo123 3 years ago
the 2jz's valve train was built by yamaha. same with the new isf motor. but the sc300 gs300 is300 have 2jzge's and im sure you know the rest of the cars with the gte's in them.
teamcrispy504 3 years ago
well shit power to weight ratio, supra would win.. 300zx's weigh like 4000 pounds
PwizzleSKATE 3 years ago
lol, or a 2 seater weighs about 3,250lbs and the 2+2 weighs around 3500lbs, now a 3000gt vr-4 weighs 3,800lbs..but it's awd. So where did you get your numbers.....
BeneathNorthernStars 3 years ago
american muscle waaaaaa? lol
tupapa602 3 years ago
ouch
southcarolinaZ 3 years ago
Toyota Owns!!!!
tribalforrealz 3 years ago
go supra
GreggxStrikexFreedom 3 years ago 2
I think i'd have to agree with TT300ZX. you really cant judge a car if you havent ever owned one, more/less atleast ridden in one. we dont have many skylines here, and even when people see an NA one they gawk at it, as if it were god himself. i'd even personally say the 2JZ is better all around moreso than the RB26, based upon liters, and configuration of the motor. skylines look amazing, and can handle some boost, but all in all, theyre no better than the VG or 2JZ. its all about parts.
NOSZII 3 years ago 4
This comment has received too many negative votes show
NOSZII you would be better off comparing a skyline to whats in your toilet bowel just before you flush.
z0rb4m477 3 years ago
i'd have to strongly disagree with you. my cousin owns an R33, and that sucker is mean. 622HP at the wheels. eats corvettes, and vipers all day at the tracks.
and im savin up to buy it from him. so hell no. skylines own!
NOSZII 3 years ago 2
the reason people underestimate the vg against the 2jz is because the 2jz have tons of aftermarket support, 2jz was an N/a motor for the sc300 (did u know that the twin turbo setup was contracted out to germany and wasnt even built by Toyota?)VG, 2jz both great motor for 3.0L, but 2.6L for the RB putting down 350rwhp stock on 7PSI on spec V, cant complain
nataku1986 3 years ago
rb26 does not put down 350awhp on 7 psi. (assuming you meant to say AWHP and not rwhp.)
rb26 is 300bhp, how can you fucking sit there and dribble shit it dyno's 50hp higher to the wheels, than its crank figure?? fuck the stupidity of some amazes me.. if you saw it on a dyno, the dyno's configured wrong, they should pump about 250awhp.
also 2jz stock = 12 psi,300bhp
vg stock = 9 psi.
i've owned both.
twinturbo300zx 3 years ago
ok smart guy, tell me when has nissan ever report the actual hp of their gtr. GT-R are notoriously known for underrated power from the factory, You think the v-spec II and the regular are the same 280hp? AND the gt-r are rear wheel based especially under acceleration with no traction loss. So naive, believing in the gentlemen's pack of 280hp cap is absolutely BS.
nataku1986 3 years ago
i believe they produce more than 280bhp, i know this. first hand..
but instead of producing about 280bhp they hit about 300-310bhp. honestly.. your from america.. you dont get many there.. we get them here by the dozen in australia.. i've beaten 8 r32gtr's, and 1 r33 gtr, and come accross no 34's in my 300zx.
really.. as a yankie i understand why your a fanboy.. cause you've never been in a torqueless GTR before.. i have.. in a few..
but go ahead and defend a car you've never owned before.
twinturbo300zx 3 years ago 2
all this assumsuption that I'm white, and never been in one is based on your psychic power? Torque is not everything, it is only part of the equation. YOu dont see diesel pickup truck beating anyone.
nataku1986 3 years ago
never fuckin said u were white, done give a shit either, could be blue for all i care, you still have no hands on experience. and your reply makes it obvious.. pickup trucks are designed to carry loads end of story, grab a high-ish revving, load of torque producing motor.. your precious rb26 is left in the dust by a.. oh.. say.. LS1 with a turboo wooooooooooo.. or even a 2jz/vg30.. rb26 arent the godsend you read about in real life.. own one then talk.. if not just be quiet and dont gospel.
twinturbo300zx 3 years ago 3
i have a 240sx with a RB26 in it. i dyno it when installed and ran 283hp. After i ran PSI pressure from the turbo it was boosting 13.4psi stock with 283hp. My buddy Bobby drives a Toyota Supra 1993 2Jz-a80 has about 320hp and boosting 11.1psi. I was amaze because the 2jz is alot more powerful than my rb26 but my RB26 is only 2.6liter while my buddy is 3.0 liter. So if you compared it if the RB26 was an 3.0liter also with 13psi it would only be as good as 2JZ. LBS by HP 2JZ is an awesome motor.
Tmoua 3 years ago
yeah, well everyone talks about how good the rb26 is, 90% of the people who do talk about them dont own one, they arent the best motor in the world, best 2.6 yes.. but the 2jz, and the vg will both outpower the rb26 at same boost level/turbos. oh not to mention the torque.
twinturbo300zx 3 years ago
if the RB26 was a 3.0 liter lol. if if was a 5th we'd all be drunk Tmoua that's something you're expected to say when you get your doors blown off by an LS1
Jharp82 3 years ago
ok, i own that Z in the video. and i have to say, i love my Z, and i have done a bit of work since then. but i dont have anything against supra's. i love both of em. the Z's engine is stronger, and puts out more power from the motor, and is less expensive. but the supra has ALOT of parts available, and are easier to work on. and both cars look amazing. both are great cars, it just so happens mariano's was faster. it was a race, and he won. point blank. but i look forward to racing him again.
NOSZII 3 years ago 3
Stock internals on a Z are much more capable, nothing in the range of withstanding 1000hp, but still very strong.
okay... Inline vs V engines... V configuration is much stronger, besides arent the most powerful engines in the world V configuration... Lambs, McLarens...
viperlink 3 years ago
Uh no they are not stock pistons on the Z are cast not the rods though and no they will not match up to a 2jz which are known to put down 800-900 on stock blocks
CRFpilot22 3 years ago
i normally like the nissans but the supra just looked really hot there so go the supra but if it was a supra verse a skyline then i would most def go the skyline!!
lilshortae 3 years ago
Half of you people dont own eaither cars
seamless4 4 years ago
and which do you own?
i've owned both. and currently own a z.
twinturbo300zx 4 years ago
i own a skyliner33 gts m-spec and an rx7, skyline is better than both those cars.
skylinezup 3 years ago
haha r33 gts-t's are the slowest import out there, i blow the door's off them all the time.
twinturbo300zx 3 years ago
not mine.
xP
skylinezup 3 years ago
i would have to strongly disagree with you there. The 2jz relys on boost wayyy too much for its power, when the VG30 gets its power from the engine itself. match up a supra and a Z with the same boost psi, and the Z would most likely win by a decent gap.
NOSZII 4 years ago
supras use the exhaust waste to get their boost a Z with the same boost would beat the supra from 0-50 but a supra would walk away with the race
shaylaman07 3 years ago
im a huge fan of the z's but it's obvious the supra wasn't supercharged if it was nd was proboably modded more it would of been a great match if the both we're equally tuned
rith21 4 years ago
what shit are you dribbeling? you must be new to car's hey.. or really young
twinturbo300zx 4 years ago
Hey guy's, why dont you all stop waisting your breath! All you Paul Walker groupee's simply type in 300ZX vs. Supra and see how many times the Supra gets beat down by the Z!Way more times than the other way around, I guarantee it! I had one, loved it and regret ever selling it! By far on the best cars ever made. So once again, stop watching F&F and learn something for a change. Damned follower's!
jgrayre 4 years ago 2
no way.. supra engine = stronger then the VG.. nd im a nissan guy. you see VG's pushin 1000hp safely on stock internals? u hear the supra doin that on a regular basis. im not biased, im just goin by facts.
CrashBandikoot7 4 years ago
you 'hear' about it, you never see it.. the 2j wont make 1000hp on the stock internals, thats a complete and utter lie.. they will make about 550-600 max. dont argue, because all you are going off is based off what other people have said. you have no actual hands on knowledge do you.
twinturbo300zx 4 years ago
lol
CrashBandikoot7 4 years ago
Uhh...my 2J is making 700whp and has been driving that way for YEARS. Stock head, intake, block, cams, stock head bolts and gasket too. Batlground Supra made 1100whp and ran 8's all season on the same motor. Stock Block, nothing done to it at all. No hearsay, I was there and ran with them during their time in NDRA. This has been done to death with the 2J.
sleepingtalon 3 years ago
Are you serious?lol Back when I had my 1994 MKIV I hit 686RWHP with a SP67 P-trim kit. I drove it for about 4 years until I sold it, not one issue. I then bought a 199715th anniversary and went with a small t61 and hit 502RWHP at 18PSI. Most of my buddies are running SP71 GT42's etc.. all beyond the 700+ mark for years now and not one issue besides driveshaft snapping.. What are you talking about? Go to Supraforums and read up on MKIV guys and records that are held. You need to inform yourself.
hushg2000 2 years ago
BIG deal dude. They're are plenty of z32s hitting over 1000rwhp daily driven on boost alone so dont pull the I have a single turbo on a stock motor bullshit because plenty of 2js have been recorded to have a huge amount of wear on the stock internals once ran over 600rwhp. And yes a z32 has hit 700rwhp on stock internals as well. and my z32 doubtful will be giving me any issues. The supra never won as many awards as the z32 did and it didnt SELL as much as the z32 did either. Thank u come again
michaelsevilla1 2 years ago
lol chill wit the hatred for the jz fans the z32 is cool too but theres just not as many fanz as the mk4
sdubb1518 2 years ago
Go to a Texas MKIV meet when they get together. Look at how many Z's really want to race a Supra?LOL I have never lost to Z32 in my lifetime! If you get 20 MKIv's from regular people ridding out, and 20 Z32's to ride out asweel, I can guarantee you that 90% of the races will go to the MKIV, that's a fact bozo. Z's hit 1000rwhp on stock internals??LOL Yeah, ok!! Awards??LOL Yeah, the only award the Z has earned in the states is the award of any average Joe can drive one!!LOL
hushg2000 2 years ago
LOL averge joe can drive one? Any moron can buy a supra with a budget of 20-30k lol. But they make much better now for the same price and faster. Thank YOU come again also the awards include Motortrend car of the year moron. What award did the supra win? wheres the heritage of a car that put japan on the map? Thats right the z32 did thank you pal. And you have opinions NOT facts like I do.
michaelsevilla1 2 years ago
H.S kids drive Z32's!!LOL Average Joes!!LOL.. more like, average kids!!lol PURE FACT!
hushg2000 2 years ago
hah kids do have z32s, But morons willing to pay 30k for a 20 year old car is more common lol. You can get a used GT500 or perhaps a new camaro SS LOL. U have no arguement buddy other than making it seem like not many people can get supras when their are smarter people who can get better shit for cheaper. Thats why an average TTZ costs about 8k in good order and drop 2k into it, you're running high 12s lol. an the supra?u gotta pay 20k more to BUY it ! LOL! for what? 320hp? Oh wow.
michaelsevilla1 2 years ago
Supras are expensive because the Demand is still there. There is no demand for camaros,Z32's,WS6's,etc.... Think before you post my little freind! ;)
hushg2000 2 years ago
Then it is either A) Not a TT B) Not decent (aka problems, history, etc) Any pictures?
There is obviously still a demand if people are still buying and modifying them.
There is not much demand for most any car that is completely run down. Nice examples will always fetch a pretty penny.
albertkole 2 years ago
@hushg2000 your spot on sir
gefiadsughf 2 years ago
hahhahah yeah totally agree only idiots buy the overpriced POS supra. got my 91 TT for 6k with many mods done to it and new engine with only 45,000 miles on it.
707umair 2 years ago
@707umair
supras aren't overpriced, you're just broke as f*** ;D
and trust me, they're worth every penny. You'll understand when that VG30 begins to overheat if it hasn't already. Remember: Denial doesn't take us far, supras do ;D
daddyjunkie 1 year ago
@daddyjunkie VG30DETT's wont overheat if you replace the 21yr old cooling system..
disasterxpieces 1 year ago
I agree people who have problems with the Z will have problems with any motor out there and ....and if theres is a motor known to have overheating problems is the 2jz due to the long inline head sometimes the head gaskets fails and stuff. but even on the supra and any other car, maintenance is a must. Sometimes people say oh working on the z is a hard bla bla bla.......bullshit! if you suck as a mechanic go back and work on a fucking geo metro! or better go buy a fucking electric car.
scavenom2008 9 months ago
Plenty of us in DFW MKIV community have owned MKIV's since the late 90's. Most when single after 2000, and to this day, they are still in the same range if not more 600RWHP for 9-10 years! Go to Supraforums any other forum regarding MKIV's. Hondas hit 700FWHP numbers too, are they consider high sports cars?!lol.. they won more awards than any other import. lol
Thank you, and please don't come again!:)
hushg2000 2 years ago
whos talking about hondas buddy? lol dude your so full of shit u have no proof and no argument to what I've state. The z32 is cheaper and has had more awards than the supra. Also SOLD more, and has MORE heritage to japan and all sports cars. Infact the supra wouldnt be what it is today if it wasn't for toyota getting owned by the Z.
michaelsevilla1 2 years ago
Your talking about, Z32 has done this, Z32 has done that, So who gives a shit, Honda has done more than any other import, so what's your point with that? So your saying Z32 has done more than the MKIV, and for that reason it's better?!!LOL Hondas has done more in circuits, does it make it better than Supra, I think not!! You have no common sense!
Z32 sold more because it was cheaper!! I could pick up a Z32 for $1500 bucks and a Turbo for $2900!LOL... yeah, it's still the cheap bitch it is!
hushg2000 2 years ago
iT SOLD more because it was the more popular car, Everyone knew toyota bullshitted about the numbers it supposely "did" thats right its still a cheaper bitch hahah and thanks for agreeing that you can get better OR just as good for cheaper! AND they STILL make it as well, not like the discountinued supra lol.
michaelsevilla1 2 years ago
jgrayre, it's not about people "following" Fast and the Furious. Engineering wise, the 2JZ-GTE in the Supra is just a better engine compared to the VG30DETT. Period. It's been proven time and time again. So give it up Nissan boy.
fasttoyo 4 years ago
at the bonneville salt flats in 1991 the jun 300ZX set a class record of 262mph jun later sent a supra but it failed to beet the speed record the Z still has it to this day
oh and Jorge Lazcano's VG30DETT 300ZX has a best 1/4 time of 7.09 try to find a 2JZ-GTE Supra with a better one
shadowbaby 4 years ago
Actually, the HKS supra ran 6.83. I can't believe this is even being argued. The 2J is just more capable in factory form. Not only do the 2J's make good power on the stock block, but they can do it as daily drivers. Just because you can do it for a few dyno pulls, and run around town for a week or 2, doesn't make it impressive. These guys with the 2J are driving 15k/yr with their cars at 850+whp. That's more of a feat than anything.
sleepingtalon 3 years ago
the HKS supra runs a 1UZ-FE a V8 look it up
shadowbaby 3 years ago
You're right, I was mistaken. However, Vinny Ten was running 6's years ago with his supra. In fact, thre are a ton of PRO cars that are running the GTE motor. Titan, Bullish, etc. There's a reason why that motor is the choice, and not the VG.
sleepingtalon 3 years ago
watch my vidoes!!
arabs008 4 years ago
i'll even admit, that even after i lost this race, i have learned alot more about Z's and my car, and supra's. but i cant argue with the facts that with the Z and supra racing with the exact same mods, the Z would win, even with 3 less psi. because of the bigger bore and stroke. not to mention that i didnt know the car as well back then cause i had just gotten it, and it had bad compression leaks in cylinder's 3 and 5.
NOSZII 4 years ago 2
z's are lighter, more aerodynamic (and easier on the eye), and I have yet to lose to a supra on the track.
NASTYZ32 4 years ago
the vg30 has few issues but being a v6 doesnt help its cause especially against l6's...oh and rb26 being outta 2js league??? why is it because the stock 2j is PROVEN to handle nearly twice the power of the rb?or is it because it can do it with less revs? you better lay off tht crack pipe son the real world isnt like GT4
glen284u 4 years ago
wat issues are that?u didn't even know dat the vg had a bigger bore than the supra and didn't even know it was faster out of the box. You've proven your ignorance once again, I bet you didn't even know the vg was rated a better design than the 2j lol. Go buy urself a supra and race a ZXTT and lets see what you think after you get beat.twice the power agaist rb? ur an idiot and got it backwards, ever heard of 1600 hp rb? even if the 2j had 1200hp and vg had 1000hp it still wins sad huh?its facts
michaelsevilla1 4 years ago 2
hahahahaha love zcars but better than a supra?????wake up noddy and smell the tyre smoke...only jap car thts better than supra is skyline gtr and thts only because gtr was built as a race car...oh and 2jzgte is easily the strongest engine to come from japan period...followed by the rb26...vg30 strong standard BUT when all 3 are modded it doesnt even come close
glen284u 4 years ago
dude you know about as much as a blonde trying to change her own oil. The 2JZ has a smaller bore than the vg30 . Meaning the vg doesn't rely on as much boost as the supra ., if you took a supra with 22 psi vs a z with 22 psi...the Z would easly win. Even if it were 18 psi the z would still win. The rb is outta toyota's league study an work on both cars than talk shit
mikesevilla1 4 years ago
okay vg30s are great engines a lot of people underestimate them...but im not one of them they were the best jap engine till the rb26 came out i agree lb 4 lb they are #1 BUT how many lbs can they handle stock?.whats tht another bhg!overheating!how many bearing caps has a vg30 got?is tht 4 vs 7??which engine is more balanced l6vsv6?can it rev to 9k stock??why do people build sooo many more rb's and 2j's as there choice of engine?
glen284u 4 years ago
btw i didnt see the toyota supra as the best sports car for 15 years in a row wow I guess I must be imagining things. Your a fanboi study both cars and stop watching fast and the furious, last time I checked a 1051 rwhp Z is stronger than a 1200 hp supra..wow gotta love the vg's engine design. BTW if you don't bealive me research it and find the truth be brought to light , so stop leading the blind :P
mikesevilla1 4 years ago
and before i get flamed for those who dont believe me.
go to myspace and search under display name, and type .ex-static//fanatic and that would be me, and you can see pics of the Z
i would type the url, but it wont let me post it
NOSZII 4 years ago
yeah. thats me in the Z. i love my Z n everything, but im not gonna lie. mariano's supra was pretty fast. and i did lose fair and square. although i did make a few adjustments since then, and wouldnt mind racing him again
NOSZII 4 years ago
SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKED!
ceelm 4 years ago
In Japan only the GTR rivles the Supra so how can you say that the 300zx gave birth to the Supra your so dam stuped. and for the guy who owns a z and supra TT, i feel bad for you man im not even going to start.
King0sand 4 years ago
dude your a fucking idiot. The GTr WILL SMOKE a supra...they don;t even compare.
In EVERY MAGAZINE the 300zx TT rivals the supra or let me rephrase it, The Supra Rivals the 300zx. Its design isn't as sophisticated as the dual inline 3 V design. Just because the supra has more boost and more hp but doesn't run 13.8 in a 1/4 doesn't mean the 300zx is a pos. Last I checked stock for stock the z has beaten the supra time an time again. The motortrend 1/4 mile times were a FRUAD from toyota .
mikesevilla1 4 years ago
stock for stock the 300zx tt is an all around better car.
The supra is known for its ability to handle tons of power after modifications, but stock its nothing spectacular. Supras handling out of the box is decent at best. Ive never seen a stock supra on any top performance lists while time after time the Z is there
mrblondes 4 years ago
HA the Z gave birth to the supra !! BITCH PLEASE your just mad because your piece of shit 300zx can never beat a supra. I can't belive you acualy said the z gave birth to the supra and NSX LMAOOO please go suck a nut man the NSX will always better than a Z. Im not a Z hater but that car can never be better than a supra the supra is just better accept that and just go drive your car.
King0sand 4 years ago
The supra was redesigned in 1993 because the 1990- 1992 got their ass kicked by the Z. Toyota went back to the drawing board an still failed because their motor isn't as strong as the dual inline 3 learn your math boy the 300zx has faster 1.4 times stock than a supra, the GTR just all around doesn't compare agaist such a low level like a supra
mikesevilla1 4 years ago
When the supra first came out,it only beat the 300zx twin turbo by 1 point...remember the Z was named one of the 10 best handling cars in the world.And im a proud the owner of a twin turboZ.the Z gave birth to the supra,nsx and rx7.end of story.
lbmuscle 4 years ago
i totally agree thats why toyota **went back to the drawing board** and last time I CHECKED the 300zx had faster 1.4 mile times than the supra and toyota lied about the speed of that hyped up of a car
mikesevilla1 4 years ago 2
thats right the Z shouldnt be underestimated like my red Z twinturbo yeah yeah yeah i am bragging its a nice machine.
wonkafactory69 4 years ago
ill just add, the supra is the 300zx's rival, note how the 300zx was manufa