Coughlan666 - GONE IN 7 DAYS [MIRROR]

[NotSoOldHippy]

Fucking god damned fucking Christians!

[NotSoOldHippy]

Christians all need to be sued.

[oOoxelAoOo]

To be honest, if the DMCA is filed against him for no reason. He is in a position where he can sue the persons responsible...

[dorbie]

@oOoxelAoOo Yes, and it's time someone did. It'll take an EFF case or a pro bono lawyer though. Who went to bat for Thunderf00t? Perhaps Coughlan can get that lawyer involved.

[NotSoOldHippy]

Anybody can sue anybody, and in this case the Christian pile of shit would lose obviously. But the Chfristian's goal is to financially cost his intellectual and moral superiors money to try to "win" an argument. These Christian piles of criminal shit have nothing else.

[XInterMindedX]

What...the....fuck. You cannot silence Coughlan666 you jesus fucking christians. DMCA is so fucking flawed beyond belief. You cannot silence us you you pathetic fucks.fuck.

[Glo0myWizard]

Thanks for mirroring!

[wrongfire]

Wow he's pretty upset.

Its very messed up, lets destroy Paul Kent!

[BrianJunglist]

perhaps he should dl all his own vids before its to late unless it already is.

[mobiltec]

I have all my vids backed up. I don't know why others don't do that. Especially if you are this upset about losing them.

I don't believe You Tube is really all that important myself.

[dorbie]

Disagree there, youtube have a monopoly on video sharing community eyeballs.

[mobiltec]

No I mean basically that video sharing itself is not the most important thing in my life. As a matter of fact it is way down there with other non-important things like golf, bowling and any other form of entertainment. People today get upset over the wrong things. No sense of priorities. If you are actually going to cry, over lost videos then you have not matured much since the cradle.

[dorbie]

There are two ways to view it. One is that it's just videos, the other is that it's your right to freedom of speech being infringed (and that's a credible view given that youtube has a virtual monopoly on online video community eyeballs).

Also in the case of Coughlan666 because in real-life he's a stand-up comic with 15000 subs on here. The videos someone flase-DMCA'd included his own stage performances. So Coughlan's tried to share his professional skits and he's been blocked.

[mobiltec]

Freedom of speech is not being denied here. It is being manipulated. You have the right in this country to display your views. You Tube has the right to do virtually anything they want with that display because of the acceptance of the terms of use conditions everyone signs upon becoming a member. It's a little late to try and change the rules. Now he must go through the same procedures that anyone else has had to go through whether right or wrong. Google is not the USA or the constitution.

[dorbie]

Heard it before, but you missed the point about youtube's monopoly. This I think imposes a responsibility on Youtube.

[mobiltec]

Boy that would sure go over in a court of law wouldn't it? "I Think" isn't gonna get it. Rules regarding monopolies don't exist. And when was the last time you saw a corporation care about rights implied or not? Besides there are other video sharing sites.

My main point is that it's not the end of the world and definately not worth crying over.

[dorbie]

Perhaps it's time they do. We certainly need the DMCA reformed but youtube hide behind it when they pull down videos, have no recourse and take weeks to remedy the situation.

[mobiltec]

I would tend to agree but it is just not reality.... Too bad too.

[NotSoOldHippy]

Aw come on, MT! Where the fuck is your anger? Let's march on Google's offices and drag some of the fucks who cave-in to fraudulent DMCA complaints out of their offices and let's hang the fuckers from street lamps. What these Christian piles of shit do isn't right, and Google's policies the most restrictive when the DMCA allows for *timely* counter notices, which Google discounts entirely, removing people's videos and channels far too quickly to meet DMCA's time allowances. Let's kill some.

[luc59457]

Man you have lots to say.. Is it really all that necessary?

[anmoose]

"but youtube hide behind it when they pull down videos, have no recourse and take weeks to remedy the situation."

YT doesn't hide behind the DMCA, they comply exactly with the requirements of it, protecting their "safe haven" status under the law. We DO have recourse, and YT provides us the legal forms for the countercomplaint AND the immediate delivery of it to the complainant. BY THE LAW the complainant has 2 weeks to respond to it, while YT can't do a thing but wait. Blame the law, not YT.

[dorbie]

@anmoose I already know about compliance with the DMCA w.r.t. protecting safe haven, however there is no human in the loop whatsoever and no point of contact to do anything about it. These are videos of Coughlan HIMSELF talking, so don't give me bullshit about needing 2 weeks to protect safe haven. YT insist on doing the bare minimum and do nothing to protect the rights of their legitimate users.

[anmoose]

"These are videos of Coughlan HIMSELF"

And that is why Coughlan HIMSELF needs to file a countercomplaint stating that fact. And yes, much of the process is automated. Considering that YT has a total staff of about 70, and there are God knows how many thousands of DMCA complaints filed daily, what would you expect? As for this:

"so don't give me bullshit about needing 2 weeks to protect safe haven."

Please reread what I said. The LAW gives the COMPLAINANT 2 weeks to respond. Not YT.

[dorbie]

@anmoose You're either dense or intentionally not getting it. The complainant and his 2 weeks to respond under the DMCA is IRRELEVANT when the videos are clearly stream of consciousness blogs from the account holder. When a channel has thousands of subscribers and YT yanks videos you're damned right they should take a LOOK at it. It would take about 5 minutes to sort this out.

[anmoose]

No, dorbie, you're not getting it. It's a minor detail called the LAW. Yes, the law is outdated and flawed, and it's bullshit, but it's a damned Federal law. If you want the law changed, start lobbying. Don't expect YT to do it for you.

[dorbie]

@anmoose No, you're not getting the very simple point that youtube is not obliged to take down videos where the uploader very clearly demonstrates their copyright ownership. Safe harbor is safe harbour from valid copyright claims and is only required if there's a legitimate copyright violation that youtube needs to be protected from. It's obvious to youtube and a willfull fool like you that Coughlan is in these videos, they're his vlog, he made them, he uploaded them and he owns them.

[anmoose]

There is clearly no future in discussing this further. Your mind is made up,  so I certainly don't want to confuse you with facts.

[dorbie]

@anmoose The facts are clear, you've brought nothing new to the table. It's pretty sad you have to resort to that comment when the guy in the video is the uploader using a webcam and there's no confusion as to who owns the rights. Yet he must according to you wait 2 weeks to ensure YT is safe from all risk. That's bullshit, youtube can make the determination of copyright ownership in such a clear-cut case.

[NotSoOldHippy]

The problem is, AM, dorbie is correct inasmuch as Google routinely reinstates content after reviewing it in the face of copyright claims that Google immediately sees are fraudulent. Remember that Google looked at Scientology's fraudulent claims regarding the xenuDOTnet web site. Google delisted the entire web site when Scientology filed a fraudulent DMCA complaint, then after people showed up at Google's offices to demand justice, Google looked at the web site and reinstated their listing of it.

[NotSoOldHippy]

It's not crying over lost videos, it's crying about the injustice of Christian piles of shit who can't win discussions or arguments on merits abusing the system to get the viewpoints of their intellectual and moral superiors off the Internet. The religious among us don't have to abide by the rules, the insane cunts all think they're "forgiven" by their gods and that breaking "man's laws" is acceptable. The better educated among us must abide by the rules all the time, ergo the frustration.

[mobiltec]

Oh well in that case lets all cry... There is nothing we can do about the fact that life is not fair...

[Relyt22]

Interesting to see this mirrored on two of my subscriptions' channels.

[embracedestruction]

I bet if Fred or Smosh were getting false DMCAs, YT would step in to fix it to protect their income.

If no one gets punished for this, it's going to become as common as false flagging and votebots. DMCA is way too easy to abuse, didn't Desertphile DMCA one of his own vids as an experiment once?

[anmoose]

YouTube's policy is to shoot first and ask questions later. When they get a DMCA complaint, they cover their asses by obeying the law and blindly doing as ordered. It helps prevent million dollar lawsuits.

In cases like this, it's WRONG, but it's in YOUR hands to file the counter complaints and show Paul Kent as a fraud. With the extent to which he's abusing the DMCA, he's actually committing felony perjury, but SOMEONE has to stand up to him and file charges. And it ain't gonna be YouTube.

[mobiltec]

Exactly my point above to Dorbie. GOOGLE is NOT the good ol USA and is not the internet police and they are not here to uphold the constitution of this country or any other. They are here to make money. Period. When will everyone get that? You people put way too much priority into You Tube. It is nothing more than a social networking tool. It is not real. It is not real life. It is not heaven and it is not hell. People need to worry about real problems. Nothing here but fairy tales.

[anmoose]

Well said, Lar. If this is so intensely important, then let's see these people step OUTSIDE of the video sharing site, into the real world, and take real world legal action against the twats who are breaking the law and causing the trouble. All they're doing here is bitching about YouTube, when it's the LAW that's fucked up, not the corporation that's following it. The DMCA is obsolete, and it's loaded with loopholes. Changing it will take legal action and legislation, not bitching at YouTube.

[mobiltec]

Dorbie still doesn't get what we were trying to say. There IS a thing called DUE PROCESS OF LAW... Sorry about the caps they were not meant for you moosie... That is what makes this country great and different from the rest of the world. But it is a two way street. One must exorcise his/her rights in order for justice to even have a chance.

[RichardRoy2]

What pisses me off is how the law has given tools to the tools who do this shit. It's not right.

[NotSoOldHippy]

The DMCA is abused by every criminal out there to try to win arguments. The very first DMCA complaint ever was filed by the Scientology crime syndicate in an effort to silence one of the human rights advocates in the a.r.s newsgroup, and when the crooks got counter noticed, Scientology was never charged for the crime.

If these Christian piles of shit would be charged for filing fraudulent perjury under DMCA, if they could be lined up against a wall and be executed, it would stop quickly.

[RichardRoy2]

Hi, NotSoOldHippy. I'm honored by your response, as a person Iv'e seen tirelessly work to help DF to recouperate from his affliction. Though there are times I see the harm done by those who file false DMCA's, rather than execute them, I'd definately like to see them made an example of that would stop, or remove the impunity of, such exit side of the alimentary canal's. Yeah, I know, I just called them asses. There seems to be an increase in the activity of such "people", and I'm wondering why.

[oOoxelAoOo]

So someone files a DMCA and then youtube admins don't check said videos before bringing them down?

[newusername01]

No. Under the DMCA if a website takes down the material that the accuser says is infringing their copyright than the website is immune to prosecution.

Even if the copyright claim is baseless and made through a false identity, removing the content saves money on legal fees from processing the claim.

[oOoxelAoOo]

That is massively retarded, no wonder it's being abused like this.

[NotSoOldHippy]

Some times Google actually looks at the claims and reinstates the content on their own volition. What it takes is going to Google's offices in Northern California and demanding justice. That was done when tyhe Scientology crime syndicate filed DMCA complaints against the xenuDOTnet web site, Google actually went and looked at the web site, saw Scientology committed perjury, and reinstated the web site -- and no Scientology criminal went to jail for it, of course.

[CreamyGoodnessX]

> So what's going on here, Coughlan's channel will be gone in a week, just because of some fucking prick who abuses the law to censor someone they don't approve of? If that's true we all have start mirroring C666's vids like there no tomorrow before they disappear. I was originally going to wait until posting my intro video before mirroring anyone else's vids, but now I just might mirror a few of my favorite Coughlan vids first, depending on how this whole thing turns out.

[dorbie]

Not abusing the law, breaking the law. They must have claimed under penalty of perjury that they held the copyright to Coughlan's videos.

[pirbird14]

You're right. That's how Venomfangx got himself kicked off Youtube. I believe that he was under legal age; so, his parents might have faced repercussions. At any rate, they closed his account and made him apologize.

[dorbie]

No, Thunderf00t let him off with an video apology his lawyer had written and did not force his account closure. He closed it later allegedly at the request of his parents but he;d also claimed 'terrorist threats' against his family.

[pirbird14]

My point was that it is a crime to file a false DMCA charge. If Thunderfoot hadn't been lenient, and the kid had been of legal age, he'd be paying some legal penalty. DPRJones explained it in one of his videos.

[dorbie]

@pirbird14 Agreed, and it's looking like he shouldn't have been lenient. These flaggers are coming out of the woodwork.

[glnwls2k]

care hes a fucking attention whore, fuck him

[HHOinfo]

What happened to the idea only theist had morals.

Kind of puts them in the same class as the HHO Cult.

[NotSoOldHippy]

Theists always lose every argument and every discussion or delate, ergo they commit perjury to remove their intellectual and moral superiors.

Also theists don't have to abide by the rules under their shoddy ethics, they're "forgiven" by their gods. Atheists have the moral high ground and always have to abide by the rules.

These insane Christian piles of shit know this, that's why they do it. They also know they won't go to jail for it.

[Vogter2100]

Yeah.. DP FTW :)

[PaineLover]

*head explodes*

Unbelievable. That shit has got to sting like a MF. What can a body do....well, hope this can somehow get straightened out. :(

[KOSKentOlaf]

religious nutjobs in a nutshell.

They cheat, they lie and they abuse the law.

YouTube are losers. They care about one thing, and that is money. In their small minds, they think that if a video gets enough DMCA's, be they are false or real, they remove it. Don't take any chances.

Fuck YouTube and fuck every religious wanking piece of shit out there.

Done talking to them, done reasoning with them.

Next course of action, punch them in their weasel cheating double standard chickenshit ugly faces.

[mobiltec]

You say "Fuck You Tube" yet you are still here. Just being here makes them money. So you are in fact helping them accomplish their main goal. Profit. If you meant what you said you would not support You Tube by coming here and using the service.

[KOSKentOlaf]

@mobiltec Why do you not wipe your ass with toilet paper? Why do you take the shit stains and put them in your mouth? Why is your mothers asshole wider then her pussy? Did she give birth to you out the bum hole?

[mobiltec]

Your reply was immature and uncalled for. I will not debate reality with a child.

[KOSKentOlaf]

@mobiltec Debate what?

[NotSoOldHippy]

KOSKO, just because you're young does not mean you *must* be an immature child on YouTube.

[NotSoOldHippy]

Ah but MT, being *anywhere* on the Internet(z) makes someone money. Vimeo is a far better video sharing company when it comes to policy but their technology is no where near as polished as Google's, otherwise everyone would flee YouTube and go to Vimeo if only because Google's policies are the strictist even when the law allows for broad windows of resolution.

Also the DMCA was passed without citizen involvement, it is a corporate crime against us that citizens had no say-so in.

[CanadienAtheist]

Another very fine mirror viewed, rated and appreciated!

[vista202]

Thanks for the mirror didn't see it in my sub bar I guess when it first popped up. Fuck man this shit is fucked up.

[dorbie]

Youtube are assclowns. You need to sue one of these idiot false-DMCAers to show that there are consequences for this.

[mobiltec]

Are there? This remains to be proven in a court of law and this is not the first time this has happened. Very few of these law suits actually get to court. If any. I seem to remember a guy who actually persued these things in court. Remember Inmendham?

[jiidee]

I've seen this vid mirrored elsewhere, but is there actually anything that your average End User can do?

[thisis3d]

i say someone should bring suit against youtube for usurping the law.

[mobiltec]

Are they? Show me your evidence. I think they have enough money to hire some pretty good lawyers and these are the guys who write that user agreement that we all accepted when we signed up with YT as users. If you are so passionate about it why don't you do it?

[thisis3d]

well im not a lawyer like dpr, but youtube has set up a system with little to no legal recourse if you are falsely DMCAed. i mean if someone used a troll account, and gives youtube a lot of fake info it could be hard to track them down. it is only made worse seeing as how they don't need proof of copyright infringement and only n accusation. and seeing as how most of this is automated they don't have anyone available to assess claims as valid or buullcrap.

[thisis3d]

and i haven't had this happen so i haven't been affected personally so the courts may be less willing to hear the case if i brought it

[mobiltec]

I agree with you on all counts. And yes it sucks. And no it's not fair. None of that really makes any difference. At the end of the day it all must be decided in a court of law or nothing changes. All I'm saying is that everyone on YT accepted the terms of use in order to get an account. YT is not required to be police or uphold any level of fairness.

[aogilmor]

Nope, that's what's sad, they ARE required to be police (that's what the DMCA complaint form is for) but apparently they don't exercise any judgement as to whether the DMCA is legit or not. Yank it first, ask questions later.

[dorbie]

@aogilmor If only they DID ask questions later, but they don't even do that.

[aogilmor]

Well when confronted with evidence of false DMCA's youtube WILL kick users off for doing this. Also, false filing DMCAs is a crime, but I'm not sure if anyone's been sued for doing this or prosecuted. Most false DMCA filers are probably losers with nothing worth suing for, but if if it could be proved that someone like Ray Comfort was doing it (not saying he is)...woo! what a gold mine!. The system is deeply flawed as is, though, you're right, guilty until proven innocent.