Indiana Jones and the Blatantly Obvious Double-Standard

[jcasetnl]

Oh, and about your ideas of how the fridge wouldn't have been vaporized in the nuclear explosion, uh, why was EVERYTHING ELSE vaporized then? And a fridge that sails hundreds, possibly thousands of yards through the air doesn't explode on impact? And the multiple impacts with the ground wouldn't turn the person inside into oatmeal? I can imagine the marketing meeting: "Our target market is really, really stupid people. And there are a lot of them!"

[mysterymastermind175]

Really?.. In all Honestly your complaining about an action sci-fi(i guess that's what you call it)? They're not suppose to be realistic or follow phsyics. Every great action related movie does this for it opens up a world of mystery and wonder(hence the name). look at star wars. Do you think half those ships are airworthy? Yet it's still considerded a masterpiece to date. Or the Bond fims. Do you think they can put a grenade into a coin or a gun into cigar and they always have just enough ammo,

[jcasetnl]

This tired argument again. It's called suspension of disbelief.  Some movies pull it off well and others don't. OBVIOUSLY I understand there is a fantastical quality about the film but it's whether the film creates a believable fantasy or not that separates good films from lousy films. Simply pointing out that Indy is a fantasy film doesn't excuse its failure in this regard.

[jcasetnl]

This movie was ass. An utter ridiculous mess of a film. It got flak because it just plain sucks.

It's not religious versus aliens being the problem. It's that they explored the mythology in the other films so much better. The alien mythology in crystal skull was cliche and utterly silly.

Silly killer ants. Magic anti-communist monkeys. Swinging on vines to catch up with a speeding jeep. Seriously, this SUCKED.

[ghostbuster56]

I agree it wasnt that bad. I think Temple of Doom was way worse.This was ok

[kkeelan]

Agreed with you on all angles. Good video.

Seriously, though, why are some of the retorts going on about stuff you already mentioned?

THEY ARE MOVIES, PEOPLE. SERIOUSLY. YOU WANT REAL LIFE, DO THIS SHIT IN REAL LIFE? Can't? Then I guess you'll watch a movie. Douchebag.

[InsidiousBo]

So what you're saying in all terms that this so called "movie" was 100% great, that the nuke and the fridge was also the best scene in the movie?

[dinguswad452]

That's not what I'm saying at all. It's not the greatest movie ever made, but it's not as shitty as people are making it out to be.

[InsidiousBo]

Touche'.

[MagicJigPipe]

I'm glad somebody finally got this right (the nuclear bomb scene). You wouldn't believe the misconceptions people have about nuclear weapons in general. It's unbelievable. "Duck and cover was pointless!" Bullshit! In a nuclear attack you are more likely to be killed by falling debris (and being tossed) than ANYTHING ELSE. Unless you are outside or by a window. (light/infrared/gamma) Gamma/X-Ray radiation dissipates the fastest. Also, surroundings do not absorb radiation and then radiate it.

[MagicJigPipe]

Let me elaborate that. Atoms might absorb radiation and emit another form of radiation (or the same kind) so long as that radiation is reaching the atom. However, it will not continue to stay radioactive once the original source of radiation is removed (the electromagnetics [light, infrared, gamma, etc...] from the blast). This effect is usually weak, but it does happen. Maybe he was talking about absorbing fallout but this wouldn't have affected Indiana. Again, the only thing that makes this

[dinguswad452]

I realize this is 6 months after the fact, but I just noticed this comment. I was talking about absorption of fallout. Also, I'm pretty sure I said that he would've had to have been at the site for an incredibly fuck long of a time (several months, maybe years) for it to have had an effect. At least I'm not the only one who knows this kind of thing though.

[MagicJigPipe]

implausible is the fact that he survived the fall. Also, the chances of the refridgerator being thrown that far and IN FRONT of the blast wave are slim to none. However, everything else but the non-death-from-fall is POSSIBLE. And to a lesser extent the tossing of the fridge that distance. Yes, things can be blasted into the stratosphere at or near ground zero on a powerful device. But this was/is (at) none of those things. GOOD VIDEO!

[damionstjames]

Dude totally! I Agree with you 900%

[VivoVitamBonam]

I enjoyed the first and third Indy films because they had good acting.  I will never forgive Mrs. Spielberg. Were she not in that film, it would have been just as good as the other two.

Also, the artifacts in those two movies were widely known, whereas the stones are not.

P.S. The Ten Commandments were contained within the Ark of the Covenant.

-Atheist

[dinguswad452]

If you were paying attention at the end of Raiders, you would have noticed when they opened up the Ark they said that there was nothing in it but sand. Then, of course, the ghost came out and melted their faces.

[VivoVitamBonam]

Eh, it's been a few years since I've seen it. Besides, if you're looking for the *original* Ten Commandments, it would make sense that it's dust, since they were smashed to bits. ;)

When the marketing is done to the Western world, yeah, Christian mythology is going to go over better than any other religion's. Bollywood films market to Hindu audiences and invoke their deities in them. Needless to say, Hindu based films do better in India than Christian ones.

[dinguswad452]

I never really thought of it in that way, but that's a possibility. If you'd look back in the comments, I've had this conversation before. All I was really going for with the 10 Commandments was that stupid joke about the courthouse in Alabama.

Also, I was going to make a similar point about Bollywood. I'm sure they loved Temple of Doom in India. :)

[dinguswad452]

Also, The Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail are widely known because they are a part of Christian mythology; part of the point I was trying to make.

[fleecyboy]

Five friends and I willingly suspended our disbelief so that we could enjoy Crystal Skull and we all enjoyed it very, very much. It was exciting, funny, unbelievable yes, and just plain good entertainment.

Hey -- if you want everything factual go to a university lecture hall and hear a desertation on geology. We wanted to have a few laughs and have some fun -- and WE DID! Highly recommend it!

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[celsius233]

You are absolutely right. I LOVED crystal skull and so did my girlfriend!

[kalsolarUK]

"welcome to america dingus" superb! I'm still laughing!

[yourflag]

you pepole r all stupid this is the best indianna movie ever! s omuch better than the dumm 1 about the devil and in the afghanastan whith the dude that pulls pepples hearts out and then has the stones at the but indi is on the tracks and does the hole rollercoster-ride to win at the end. but yes that 1 is gay so r all the lamos that think cristal is lame. its the best and r all just a buntch of old farts that dont get it. hah!!!!!

[bobhuber]

There is nothing to get. It's all recycled crap.

You really put me in my place. You sound like you have a fourth grade education.

[dinguswad452]

Hearing that retard is making me want to reevaluate my position on the movie a little bit. Crystal Skull isn't the best Indy outing, but I still think it was an entertaining movie. I hope they go ahead with the 5th though, because this just seems like a shitty place to end it.

[bobhuber]

I hope they make a final one too & that they kill Mutt in that one. Here is my big beef with KOTCS-they had a scene with the A-bomb right? That's a perfect setup for the Russians to try to get their hands on. Instead, they went with the alien crap. That has no threat whatsoever. Ooooooh the evil commies are going to learn the secrets of the crystal skull! Better run to the bomb shelter. WTF?!

[flclfanman]

But its set in the 50's. The soviets had the technlogy for a-bombs by then. What's the point of going after another one?

I'll admit I didn't expect aliens,but I think KOTCS is a great example of historical fiction, using some historical facts and fiction to make a great movie.

[dinguswad452]

The point of them going after the crystal skull was that they thought that it would give them the power to control people's minds. An atom bomb is pointless if you can work your enemy like a puppet. There was actually an entire of Cate Blanchet's character explaining that.

[M0oNcalF]

It is a VERY bad movie, pace is choppy, action scenes lack imagination and excitement (not just bad CGI, there just wasn't any moment here that blew me away - not one single stand out scene in an Indiana Jones movie WTF!)humour was weak (f**kin' Gophers) The alien theme was handled in a ham fisted way. And there's a reason why 'nuke the fridge' has become a buzz phrase - google it - credulity stretched past breaking point; and I like the jumping out of the plane with the inflatable raft scene!

[MagicJigPipe]

I agree the CGI was pretty weak and overused. I HATE CGI. Very rarely does it look truly real. Shit, I thought the dinosaurs on Jurassic Park looked more real than the crap in this movie. Read about fission. Read about nuclear weapons. Then you will know there are only 2 things about the nuke scene that are truly "impossible". The fact that he survived the fall and the fact that the fridge was tossed like it was.

[bobhuber]

You are an idiot.

"Genuinely fuckin entertaining"?

I was bored shitless throughout the entire movie. They did'nt break any new ground with this movie. Every action scene was already in all the other Indy flicks. The alien topic is pointless b/c we saw Close Encounters 30 years ago jackass.

[micheals1992]

it is right about you being safe in a fidge from a nuclear explosion as soon as i saw the fridge behide i said to my mate id would jump in the fridge and my mate said "how did u no?" its cause im very intrested in nuclear bombs and another thing if u want to see some grannys talking about things that are proved real dont watch this moive. did u go watch king kong and say WTF i hate this moive theres no such thing as a 50 foot gorrial? moives dont have to be life like too be good..

[dinguswad452]

I believe you missed the point. I was saying that it was an Indiana Jones movie, if you were looking for reality, you've walked into the wrong theater. The whole nuclear bomb thing was because people were saying it was completely impossible, but in actuality the scene has some validity to it.

Also, I loved King Kong. Peter Jackson did an amazing job remaking that.

[Soksonfire]

The Kindom of the Crystal Skull were bad because it tries to make anything epic and therefore fails ultamitly it just happen to damm fast and it dosent tells a good story it starts bad with a gopher and goes one with a list of absurd events

it dosent build up mystic like the older films

in tempel of doom they build up to the absurd with graduly more stange things as did they in the last crusade and raiders

wille the action scenes in are fun and anything the crystal skull has a bad story

[ENSABAHNUR25]

I think that the fact that they had aliens is totally true to the franchise... The tree um....no Tarzan umm...no

The barrel of monkey ants umm no

but aliens yes.If you can believe in something like christ when you also know that there are so many galaxies with so many planets how can you not think that life can exist on other planets!!!!This movie sucked though simply for the tree slingshot and tarzan!!! and yes I watched the first 3 hell I grew up watching them.One disappointed fan

[Albinoverse]

I think the artifacts in the first and the third movie have history behind them which is why ppl enjoy them. There is written records of the ark and everyone knows of the Holy Grail. The Stones in the second may have been based on something but are not very popular in modern culture and the crystal skull that we actually know exist had nothing to do with the fourth so I don't think it neccesarily had to do with being Christian or not

[kylewp]

Glad you enjoyed the movie but people aren't nearly as pissed off about the "alien" issue than other things. There were way too many special effects in the film. Too much drawn out action. ZERO character development. I mean seriously, Marion and Indy get married, which is great, but WHAT THE HELL LED UP TO THAT?!?! They spent the whole time arguing and then suddenly decide to marry. BULLSHIT

[CadicusTheDamned]

I think you're right about nobody liking Temple of Doom because of their Christian beliefs. It's a shame, because I liked Temple of Doom.

You have to suspend disbelief in Spielberg movies.

That said, I still think I might wait until it comes out on DVD.

[idocare]

You are right

[jason69cooper]

u have shitty taste in movies, ur an ass hole and i hope u burn in hell, but good points. indi 4 was a shit film. when i woke up i walked out. total shit. and i heard they got married at the end. wtf

[haiglee]

This movie sucked huge ass!!!! Way too many bullshit unbelievable bits. If you liked it you are clearly a retard.

[xeryph]

Nice haiglee, that's totally a totally fair assessment. You're fucking 40, act like it.

[unhingeddavo]

I could not agree more dude. You made valid and fantastic points and personally I found the whole premise a lot more believable, albeit my atheistic beliefs.

Fridges those days went the flimsy aluminium of today, as long as that door remained closed, he was squeezed in enough to keep from harm and ... well yeah: valid points.

The level of destruction they built into it was perfect - emphasizing the true nature of the weapon and as they are searching for the next WMD (the mind control).

[Stvlen]

Surviving being thrown a mile in a fridge and coming out of it without even one broken bone is ridiculous. Indy never went through anything similar to that in the previous films. Crystal Skull seemed more like a parody of an Indiana Jones movie, not an actual one. Oh, and you forgot to mention the horrible story, writing, CGI animals, and Shia as at Tarzan.

[dinguswad452]

Shia's swinging act was somewhat ridiculous, and they could've done without that. The CGI animals were understandable. These days if you want to use real animals you have to deal with those cocksuckers at PETA, and I don't blame them for that. Also, what was wrong with the story, I think they did a pretty good job of bringing in the mythology of the Crystal Skulls.

[Stardomproductions]

got to admit hes right...

[longlivetheloud2]

it's not a ouble standard, it's just because aliens just, went out of that "realm" whereas religon doesn't. i can't quite explain it, but Biblical themes just seem more realistic, i guess, whereas aliens, and a damn flying saucer just aren't.

Nonetheless, a great movie. Worthy of the great adventure.

and people saying that they don't like Temple Of Doom is nonsense; that was a great movie very much in it's own right.

[dinguswad452]

It's good to run into someone else who can also enjoy Temple of Doom, but the religion is where we're going to differ. It seems to me that life occurring on another planet has a higher probability than a supernatural being.

[longlivetheloud2]

True enough, but isn't that the wonder of Indiana Jones?

[dinguswad452]

Exactly.

[BinaryReader]

well put argument here mate, i really liked indy4, perhaps there is a double standard. Mind you, I thought all the indy movies were far from plausible, but, i expected that from a indiana movie.

i wasnt expecting realism, i was expecting Indiana Jones. And...i got Indiana Jones :)

Critics of this movie have either a short memory of how the others were, or, havent seen them at all.

Btw, loved the nuke/lead fridge scene :)

[zosohead]

i went to see it twice,i loved it,i hope they do another one.

[Leonesaurus130]

Great review, I loved the movie!! Crystal Skull is definitly my second favorite film next to Raiders. I agree with what you had to say, I'm dissapointed that a lot of people didn't enjoy the film like I did. Great movie overall, not the best, but a really fun film!

[eequalsfb]

Thanks for the review.

[inkstersco]

Pace? The pace died during the utility room dressed up as a tomb where indy just walks in and picks up the skull. The audience felt embarrassed that the movie was going wrong.

[dinguswad452]

Granted that seemed a little easy, but in the context of the scene it works. The other guy had already been the tomb, taken the skull, then come back and attempted to re-hide the skull. It's not like he would've went around resetting booby-traps. Also, it picked back up pretty well from there.

[longlivetheloud2]

HAha, really good point, Ding.

[nadiaTeeze]

stopped left.. thanks for the warning.. I want to go see it. thanks~!

[Largo64]

Great review. I haven't seen it yet, but I don't think you spoiled it for me. By the way, the stone tablets with the ten commandments ARE the covenant that was carried in the ark. And there are still people who are looking for both. My guess is that the tablets are as mythical as the holy grail. Believers will continue to search, and they will always come up empty. It's amazing that so many people take this stuff seriously.

Area 51 eh? Hark! A clue! Bwhahahahahaha!!!

[dinguswad452]

I realized that bit about the Covenant when I watched the video after I uploaded it. I was going for that shitty punchline about the Alabama courthouse and wasn't paying attention to what I was saying.

[Largo64]

I also wasn't paying attention. When I first read your remark above I though it said Alabama cathouse. Now, that might have made more sense! ;<)

[dinguswad452]

Apparently neither of us were paying attention. I just finished watching "Raiders of the Lost Ark," and when the Nazis open the up the Ark at the end the stone tablets aren't in it. If Spielberg wanted to he could have Indy searching for the 10 Commandments in the next movie.

[Largo64]

. . . or the Ten Pretty Good Suggestions!

[dinguswad452]

Well, I'd say the Three Pretty Good Suggestions. No Killing, No Stealing, and No Perjury are all well and good, but the rest are just filler.

[longlivetheloud2]

Whoa. What a way to take what you like and leave what you don't. Doing all the rest truly make for a good society.

[FreePrometheus]

I saw Indiana Jones too and I told my friend that it was a great movie but a rather far fetched.

He said of course its far fetched its Indiana Jones.

I agreed