Chomsky: US Supported Indian, Pakistani Nuclear Programs

[UDSS]

America does not care about democracy. Ronald Reagan wanted a crusade against Marxism Leninism. Pro-USA dictators like Mobutu ( Congo ), Marcos ( Philippines ), Suharto ( Indonesia ) and anticommunist Chinese leaders ( Taiwan ) were all supported. Reagan supported the South Korean dictatorship ( until 1987 South Korea was no democracy ) and the absolute monarchy of Saudi-Arabia. American presidents are hypocrites and only care about capitalism.

[xtrmsprts]

Pakistan has to go...Those goat-fucking terrorists got hold of nukes from the chinese. whereas, india made the nukes through the sheer brilliance of indian engineers. For the world to survive, USA, Israel and India must preemptively wipe out Pakistan off the face of the earth in one night so that they are sent back to stone age (so only a few yrs technologically from what they are now) before they can retaliate.

[panniize]

Wtf ? Rubbish. India's nuclear program was indigenous. This old man is out of his mind.

[gurper707]

And Israel's nuclear program! And we GAVE china the technology!

[m12384]

the world is thinking stupidly!!!!!!

india israel dont sign treaty to remain a constant threat to muslim counteries and pakistan dosenot sign it because it will be the only one that would be asked to obey it.....

[dorksayswhat]

So some Mexican news paper is the informative and only truthful resource in this hemisphere? And some how that gives credibility to the rest of his personally motivated opinion? That is the oldest trick in the book of "Bullshit and How to make it Believable" He should use the tried and true method of answering these circle jerk questions starting with......"This is no bullshit.......... really!

[munkdo3]

@urielrabo (i am a neo nazi jew)''

are you??? thx for sharing

[MrSethElkins]

something is wrong with this video, it won't play beyond 1:09...

it could be my computer, but i doubt it.

[arunkumarvikram]

US never supported India in the 20th century. It only supported Pakistan which forced India to side with USSR.Even after the 1998 nuclear test US imposed very strict sanctions on India but relatively less restrictions on Pakistan.USSR may have supported India to get nuclear weapons but definitely not USA.

[DeepAbsentia]

@urielrabo and

f0ck you

who the hell you think you are to confront chomsky? a failed jew, thats who you are.

[DeepAbsentia]

@urielrabo yeah, you and the entertainment industry of the us.

go to hell, man

im jewish too, but im not stupid

freaking "imbecil"

[redtihor1]

The IEAA is one of the world's biggest jokes...surpassed only by the UN and liberal arm-chair warriors like Mr Crywolfsky. He may be a big shot on linguistics and algorithms, but how does that make him an expert on international affairs?

India needs the bomb- For 60 years, we've been dealing with Islamist states, an apathetic, even hostile, West, an aggressive expanding China all alone, bar some Israeli and Soviet support. We can't trust anyone- The Bomb is a must for us!!

[munkdo3]

@redtihor1 what makes u an expert in international affairs?

[redtihor1]

@munkdo3 And who gave any say in India's affairs?

[munkdo3]

@redtihor1 no u

[vardor]

baba booey

[HolyFerdinand]

can anyone give me any more info on the newspaper he mentioned at the beginning?

[towneslives]

@variablast

another? you can hardly tell when one ends and another begins - israeli atrocities have become a fact of life, a bit like the law of gravity. hmm sorry to sound pessimistic

[EddyBlueEyes]

The problem with Chomsky is that he's never led a real life; his contibution to society has been to spread confusion and promote anarchy - while drawing his income from the very system he condems. He might consider a career in Politics rather than as an armchair critic of it, as it is very easy to criticise from the outside without experience of the realities of the inside. He might also consider getting his hair cut, learning some social skills and/or killing himself. What a Bellend.

[HjaltiBH]

@EddyBlueEyes You now he is the leading linguist in the world to day and has bin for decades and most of the things you talk about are highly debatable. The most outrages being that he should get a hair cut and social skills. If you are stupid enough to vote based on hair cuts and social skill and not based on intelligence and qualification you really should not be commenting here and reveal you stupidity

[andorkez]

@EddyBlueEyes I hope you can do better than that. Come on, refute some of the facts he mentions, or at least say in what you disagree. Otherwise whoever reads your comment will think that you are STUPID.

[figuerod]

@EddyBlueEyes you are so right! i mean, its just like scientists in academic environments. they are ridiculous for condeming biotech companies (ultimately the same system) and have no idea how to carry out real life [applicable] research. no, nooo..its not that the leaders of the companies are corrupted, its that the university researchers dont know have real life experience.

[smartwarlord]

@variablast

There has never been a Gaza massacre.

[andorkez]

@smartwarlord probably not in the pro-Israel media you consume.

[zafff13]

fact is that israel is claimed to have nuclear bombs for over 50 years but no nation including the arab nations seem intimidated by it, moreover when the arabs learned that iran is building a bob suddenly arab countries including Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria and others declare they are starting a nuclear program of their own. how come israeli nuke don't bother the arabs but iranian nukes does? think about it noam and get a clue about who is the danger in the middle east.

[HjaltiBH]

@zafff13 because Iranians are Shi'a Muslims and speak Persian but Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria are all Sunni Muslims that speak Arabian. I think 

[chukonub]

@HjaltiBH Arabic, not Arabian. But yeah.

[andorkez]

@zafff13 If you consider how many states have invaded Israel in the last few years and how many states Israel has attacked, you will realise that Israel does intimidate its neighbours. The one who is in danger in the Middle East are the Palestinians if you consider the number of deaths throughout the years and the fact that Israel creates more and more settlements. Right now the Palestinians are more likely to be killed or forced to emigrate by the conditions in which they live than Israelis.

[Kabla21]

Well,..I dont think Indians are no exception..the world is corrupted..major powers like US and EU countries had their pie..now its the time for India and Pakistan..what's wrong? You started the game..now you can't finish it..

[Alpinex105]

Canada gave India the uranium.

[390bullitt1968]

@Alpinex105 - I understand Britian supplied the Heavy Water.

[2101silverstein]

I love Chomsky!!!

[CandianBear]

got to love this man...

[killsourenemy]

He needs to shave the front of his nose.

[toseeornot2see]

The American's basically carried on from where the British left off in the middle east. Well, the British didn't really leave the middle east, just their influence that weakened.

[RajeshMukkath]

@zakuza92 how come Indian Foreign policy is being dictated by the Americans ??

[zakuza92]

fuck this guy. india can and will have the nuclear weapons. npt is discriminatory.

[RajeshMukkath]

@zakuza92 india will become a American Stooge nothing more...

[zakuza92]

@RajeshMukkath

America is in a mess. America survives on Chinese dollar now. America is a mess now. Just look around you. American economy has been weakened. They are basically bankrupt. They are now looking forward to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq. They are stuck with these two countries which resulted in their downfall.

[RajeshMukkath]

@zakuza92 how come Indian Foreign policy is being dictated by the Americans ??

[HyperColours]

I believe the US wanted Pakistan to have a Nuclear capacity because when China stops buying the US debt they can threaten China using Pakistans Nukes, the finger on the the Pakistani Nukes has always been American.

The world is a chess board, forget about Nations and Countries, the object is to win no matter what the cost, the 9/11 was a gambit that has paid off well,three buildings for 2 countries resources, 9/11 was an investment with a 10,000% interest rate forever basically.

[jeben25]

YOU CAN BLAME THE WEST!!! YES I DO FOR MANY THINGS!!

BUT IN THE END.. THE asian and african etc... THE 3rd world has to help themselves.. NOT EXpect anything from WHIte man...

[raydar878]

Where did the white man obtain his resources and wealth? Africa is the most resource-rich continent on earth. And look what the white man did to it: extract, rape and pillage its resources for their selfish colonial purposes. It's in any decent history book.

[confuseTHEmasses]

they have been raped by the west for decades, most of them run by dictators who are in with the plans and the west. Its hard to fix a problem that has millions invested in keeping the problem going

[omgodsword]

@jeben25

Well it seems YOU need the brown, yellow and black man more than we need you. Where does your food come from? Yes - africa where you exploit black people in africa with slave labour...where does a lot of the oil come from - the middle east...where are a lot of your daily household items made in - china...you westerners complain about "immigrants in your country" while at the same time you EXPLOIT people in africa and asia...but without the 3rd world - ur economy would drop to bottom

[RajeshMukkath]

@jeben25 we don't want any thing from the white man we just want them to stop interfering in our region ...

[thoughtvideo]

The US has framed a debate around whether or not Iran is trying to build a bomb. The logic is, if Iran builds a bomb, then it's the end of the world. This all makes sense if you forget the fact Israel and numerous other countries quite openly defy International organizations

I would argue that the Middle East will be a safer place if Iran had a bomb to deter Israeli aggression (which is the most extreme). Though Iran will never use aggression against Israel, unless it has a deathwish

[raydar878]

Could you imagine Rome and its allies at their height allowing barbarian states access to new weapons? The same hypocritical principal applies - hegomenically - today!

[tylerdurdenLLC]

democracy is a failure like communism and socialism. decentralized limited government worked best in this country until Woodrow Wilson fucked it all up.

[manofsan]

Let's be clear - the US supported Pakistan's nuclear program, and not India's. It supported Pakistan's nuclear program with the Pressler Amendment that removed US Congressional oversight on Pakistan's nuclear buildup, handing over authority to the President, who was easily able to give false assurances on Pakistan in order to continue funding Muslim guerrillas against the Soviets. So Pakistan's nuclearization is the price the US was willing to pay for defeating the Soviets. Terror is the result.

[NodrogTrax]

@manofsan No, that's another distortion. It is not just a case of, "Aww shucks, if it really means that much to you “pakis,” you can have your little nukes, but don't go telling your brothers or sisters about it." The Pakistan nuclear program was a direct and deliberate US backed ploy to ensure another satellite state, of sorts. It was not merely incidental, the US government very systematically funds eastern hemisphere programs, and installs puppet governments, to maintain global hegemony.

[RayKalmNiam]

@manofsan The US didn't support Pakistan's program, Know your facts. I'm a Pakistani, and the US put massive sanctions on us. Terror wasn't the result because of Pakistan, it was the result of AMERICA funding Muslim militants to fight against the Soviets.

[manofsan]

@RayKalmNiam,

You're an ignorant. During the Reagan tenure, Pakistan insisted that it be the sole conduit to all arms and funds for the mujahedin. The US was not allowed to provide any direct assistance to the guerrillas, and had to route everything thru Pakistan's army. The Pak army then selected only the most hardline fanatics to give the arms and training to, since fanatics would be easier to manipulate, as opposed to regular Afghans who might try to settle border disputes against Pakistan.

[RayKalmNiam]

@manofsan No, you're the ignorant. I am a Pakistani, I know what I speak of when I speak of my country. America never supported Pakistan, other than for it's own motives. It definitely did not support out nuclear weapons, if it did, we would not be in the problem we are in today. They (the Americans) sanctioned us like crazy, then left us alone with the Taliban. Come back a few years later, asking for us to help them.

[manofsan]

@RayKalmNiam ,

Billions of US$ basically financed Pakistan's nuclear program. They didn't ask where it was going, they just gave money and weapons to the army. They knew Pak was working on nuclear weapons, and they turned a blind eye to it, altering their non-proliferation laws to allow them to do so. After the Soviets withdrew, and when Pak had crossed the tolerance allowed even under the laxer rules, then Pak was sanctioned. Taliban was created by Pak, in order to suppress Pashtun nationalism

[RayKalmNiam]

@manofsan Wrong. We used our poor economy to fiance our nukes - which then led us in an economic disaster. If America didn't sanction us, we would've been a bit more neutral with our economy today. America betrayed us day after day, they created the Taliban to fight the Soviets, and left us all alone right after.

[manofsan]

@RayKalmNiam Sorry, but US billions made a big difference. Also, US deliberately turned a blind eye to Pak's nuclear weapons program. Pak purposely kept US from having direct contact with mujahedin, so that Pak could only arm the most extremist groups (the better to safeguard the artificial Durand Line from being undone by Pakhtunistan)

Even today Pakistan is loudly insisting on a return to "Reagan rules" - by which they mean the hands-off policy of the 80s where only Pak deals with the jihadis.

[RayKalmNiam]

@manofsan It's pointless trying to convince you.

[manofsan]

@RayKalmNiam, I'm armed with the facts, while all you have are hollow assertions.

[RayKalmNiam]

@manofsan Think as you must. But, it's quite the contrary.

[TheLansoprazole]

@manofsan A Typical Hateful Hindu Mentality with Stinky Smelly Slumdog Style.

[manofsan]

@TheLansoprazole,

Typical light-sknnned Pakistani racist who pretends he's under threat from "Planet of the Apes"

[TheLansoprazole]

@manofsan Again a Childish and nonesense comment from a Smelly Maltutritioned Slumdog.

[manofsan]

@TheLansoprazole,

You only prove my point, you Islamicized freak

[TheLansoprazole]

@manofsan Another Nonesense Idiotic Reply from a Stinky Poor Hindu. Grow up

[manofsan]

@TheLansoprazole ,

Poor Pakistani, you have nothing useful to say, and that's why the world thinks what it does of you

[TheLansoprazole]

@manofsan a Stinky Smelly Hindu Still Fartig in the Air and dont have any Positive thing to contribute , u know what Go and have some Cow Piss. LoL

We know wht World thinks u better look after ur Ass :P

[manofsan]

Everyone, please note the racist comments by TheLansoprazole and request to have his account banned.

[TheLansoprazole]

@manofsan Banned LoL ... One after another Childish Comments. Its u who is a Fucking Racist Bitch and pretending to be a Some kind of Scholor and making Rubbish Comments against my Country so Go and Fuck ur Self Who gives a Shit wht a SLumdog Thinks.

[manofsan]

@TheLansoprazole,

Listen Pak-shyt-for-brains, your cunt-ree is the #1 terrorist state in the world. Just turn on the TV or open up any newspaper. Your name is ph*cked, and nobody will ever believe your ph*cked up govt again. They can't even pay the bills anymore without foreign aid. Bunch of losers, begging the world for money. The donations are drying up, chummp.

[TheLansoprazole]

@manofsan hahahah Here Comes a Stinky Smelly Slumdog a typical Hindu speaking from his Ass rather then his brain.We Dont need ur certificate to show wht we are.We r proud of ourselves as a Nation.And u Stinky Dnt talk abt Leaders of my Country they r all corrupt n fucked up.and u Ignorant the Aid you are referring to is a peanut as compare to which Pakistan has spent to save their Asses in afghanistan who call it Aid.btw u better look after ur 900 Million Toiletless asses we know wht we r doing.

[manofsan]

@TheLansoprazole,

You must be talking about your ugly baby Paki kids whose ugly faces you posted on Youtube, while applying for extra welfare cheques to help pay for the diapers you don't buy them. Ugly Paki kids like that will only end up dying of dysentery in your diseased Pakistan, which is now half underwater, with sewage floating all around them.

[TheLansoprazole]

@manofsan U said all, This is the True face of Stinky Untouchable Dalit Hindu who dont even Spare innocent babies.but u can just dream of having these type of Gorgious Babies u have Cow piss Drinking Little Ghost who r born to hate and most of them ends up in graves alive by their parents. btw how many have you killed after discover they were girls? And Dont Worry aboy my Homeland as I said we know how to look after it you better take care of ur 900 Million Hugary Souls and Toiletless Asses.

[manofsan]

@TheLansoprazole,

Paki beggars like you have a toilet fixation, because that's all you can dream about. Your nation is flowing in sewage right - turn on the TV to see it. Or have you banned TVs again? Your ugly little kids are going to suffer a life of being exposed to your ugly little fakir mind. They'll be making a career out of cleaning toilets, thanks to daddy. All you people know how to do is breed and multiply -- oh, and teaching your kids how to strap on explosives. Are they even yours?

[TheLansoprazole]

@manofsan HAHAHA Look Who is Talking.LoL. We are 1500 Millions in 60 Countries and You fucking Stinky 900 Million Hindus are cramped in Just 1 Shitty Country which is less than Half of Austrlia and Breed like Rats and by the way Eat rats as well. And Explosives ? And thanks for ur Suicide explosive Invention which u 1st used in Srilanka and than Spread all over the World from ur Terror camps in Afghanistan thats the only invention you gave to the Humanity in 6000 Years.

[manofsan]

@TheLansoprazole,

Your 1500 millions couldn't save your buddy Awlaki. HE'S DEAD. Just like all the rest of your terrorist bum-buddies are going to be. He's been charred to extra-crispy condition, Lanso ol' boy. He's not going to be issuing any more mocking hate speeches to anybody. He's been given a one-way ticket to Hell, where Allah lives (P*ss Be Upon him). You'll have to find a new godfather for your ugly little suicide trainees you call kids. Breed them like rats, post them on youtube!

[TheLansoprazole]

@manofsan HAHA what r u talking about ? have u gone mad ?Oh I understand most Cow Piss Drinker suffer these kind of trauma in their life btw Who is This Awlaki? Is he one of ur Millions of small Dick gods? or some Luxmi,Kali Mata's Lover or fucker?

And As I said u bette look after ur 900 Million Hungry Souls n Toiletless asses who breed like rats in a tiny corner of the Earth.u Low life Species deserve Slavery thats y u have been slaves for 1000 Years under Muslims and rest undr Christians.

[manofsan]

@TheLansoprazole,

Your small-dicked preacher Anwar al-Awlaki was fried extra crispy today - haven't you been reading the latest jihad bulletins? He has gone to find his 72 wh*res cavorting with Allah in hell. He's joined your buddy Bin Laden. He's gone to the same place where you intend to send your 2 ugly small-dicked kids. After you send your kids to join him, and breed a couple more to take their place, will you post their pics up on Youtube as well? Be sure to name them Osama and Anwar.

[TheLansoprazole]

@manofsan HAHAHAH oh I got wht you are trying to Say u pee Drinker.LoL

By the Way Where is Awlaki's Body?Dumped in the Sea? HAHA Only Sick, Monkey n Snake Worshippers wud believe this Crap.We dont Buy this until we see it.n U keep talking crap about some ones Tiny Babies u dont know abt but hey its not ur fault all Malnutritioned Hindus have Got this type of Mental issues SO I dont believe u btw Who r u talking abt Awlaki or OBL? Have u seen Mirror? ur no more than a cockroach on world stage.

[manofsan]

@TheLansoprazole,

Just for clarity buddy, I'm an atheist. But if I had kids as ugly as yours, I'd be trying to laugh everything off too. Allah teaches you to be the a**hole that you are, and you'll teach your kids to be just like you. But what I want the Left-wingers out there to see is the kind of nutcases they are supporting when they defend Islam -- nuts like YOU.

[Manjo1981]

dont worry , India will not use nuclear energy for weapons production to a great extent. They are a sober country with lot of domestic problems to solve first...

[hela113]

israeli apologists never cease to astound me.

[Pomeray8]

AdultAlchemist there is NO evidence that Iran HAS nuclear weapons. They do not want them. They ARE IAEA COMPLIANT. Get it through your head. They have been threatened for years, sanctions on them for years, that greatly hurt the average citizen. Most Arab League states have signed the proliferation treaty.

There IS evidence that Israel has had the bomb for more than 2 decades as you claim.

[AdultAlchemist]

sorry, i disagree that the iaea resolution regarding a democratic and secular state is more important than whether a violent theocracy run by superstitious fanatics gets the bomb.

chomsky has a strange idea of importance - senility setting in perhaps

[tehpistolpete]

There is a violent theocracy run by susperstitous fanatics that have "the bomb," Israel.

If you want to stop Iran from creating a bomb, stop threatening them, end sanctions against them, establish normal relations, and create a nuclear weapons free zone in the Middle East; which all Middle Eastern countries support except Israel.

[Pomeray8]

And not just one nuclear bomb, either. Israel has hundreds, thanks to its being a favorite client state of the largest weapons dealer in the world: the US.

Iran hasn't attacked another country in over 200 years. the same cannot be said for the US or Israel. They have shown time and time again that they do not want the bomb. So far, they have been IAEA compliant. Violent? Well the CIA did help institute the Savak. Oh, let's not forget CIA Operation Ajax. I agree with tehpistolpete!

[AdultAlchemist]

And Israel has had nukes for over 20 years, yet despite all the threats, the Arab world has not been vapourized.

It seems Chomsky is not worried about fanatics like Ahmedinejad and Khamenei having nukes but is worried about a secular democracy having them. I missed them showing that they didn't want the bomb.

I suppose Iran only has government lead chants of "death to America" and "death to Israel" to show how peaceful they are.

What's a few hangings of homosexuals, adulterers and dissidents?

[Pomeray8]

Like I sad below, Operation Cast Lead was just insane. There are accounts from Israeli soldiers describing how they were shooting at a peoples not fighting back.

Do not create a Straw Man. We were not talking about the leadership of Iran. That is a separate issue. I suppose you still have NOT done any research into Operation Ajax? Iran had elected a pro-west pro-democratic leader until we overthrew him in 1953.

[l8rthen]

Adultalchemist, kudos to your postings here! Aptly stated!

[AdultAlchemist]

Sorry dude,

Israel is a secular democracy, with democratically elected parliamentarians, including Arab muslims.

Over 25% of the population are atheists.

Every war Israel has been involved in was started by an Arab nation and suddenly all the Arab nations want them to disarm....... what a coincidence

I did not threaten Iran

I believe that Iran is one of those delightful theocracies that has government lead chants of "death to America" and "death to Israel"

Of course you want Israel to disarm

[Pomeray8]

What about the recent Operation Cast Lead?

Israel is not a democracy any more than the US is. Sure, there are some democratic leanings, yes. But Israel is not a democracy. The situations in the Gaza and the West Bank account for this.

Are you a Zionist?

[manofsan]

Oh, and which democracies are you comparing Israel to? Your beloved European idols? At least the Israelis only attack those who attack them. The Europeans decided to bomb Belgrade under the pretext that Serbs were going to march across Europe. They got their flunkies Clinton and Blair to do most of their dirty work. What a joke. You'd better find some new excuses to give them their Nobel Peace Prizes for having done your bidding.

[Pomeray8]

I don't know of any democracies. None. Tendencies, but no outright democracy. Did I say anything about my supposed "beloved European idols"? I don't know where you got that line from, or what your point is in this response. Give me dates, years, sources. In Operation Cast Lead Israel was NOT attacked first. What was my bidding that they did? Be specific. I never stated support for Blair, Clinton, Nobel awards.

[tylerdurdenLLC]

um Israel was created out of militarily seizing land that was not theirs, and has expanded in the same way. Look at older maps. It's not like they bought their land. Not like America bought theirs. Nor is China buying theirs.

[toseeornot2see]

@AdultAlchemist Dude, if you look up Moshe Dayan, you'll find out that he claims that 80 percent of the wars were started by Israelis. He has clearly stated that they used to provoke the Arabs.

[purplecharger88]

Isreal is not a theocracy. Some fact checking before your own rhetoric would be good. It is a Democratic Republic that allows all religious beliefs to reside in its nation including Islam and Christianity. So how it is a theocracy is beyond me.

[kedrick06]

@purplecharger88 well, you could say that its run by zionists... dont think its a theocracy tho

[Staubdumm]

Israel isnt democratic at all, especially in the main segments like foreign policy. Often the majority of people disagrees with the government policy.

I like it how you define "Israel" as the victim of aggression, when it is and was in fact the military superpower in middle east. Weird that Israel does defend itself not within its legal borders, but passes them and builds "settlements" beyond them.

All arab nations attacking Israel would be like a bunch of unarmed kids attacking a kickboxer.

[AdultAlchemist]

You need to brush up on your history and cite examples.

[Staubdumm]

Look for yourself, if you want a proof that greece 1) devellopment a primitive form of democracy 2) that the greek soldiers were not UN-peace troops and took part in brutal massacres when expanding ("greek colonization"), building settlements everywhere in the mediteran sea and wiping out whole tribes. Thats standart history knowledge.

Secondly, even IF that didnt happen, would it have been justified that greek do massacres, because they were more "democratically" then lets say, persians?

[AdultAlchemist]

irrelevant, no one is claiming that democracy is the perfect solution, just the best we have at the moment

[Staubdumm]

By the way: Domestic policy and structure has nothing to do with foreign policy.

The ancient greeks were the most democratic country in the hemisphere, did it stop them slaughtering children and building colonies, as the Israeli do today?

[tylerdurdenLLC]

domestic and foreign policies are one in the same. they impact each other. as america builds bombs, we let bridges collapse and cities decay. they are not separate. democratic can mean whatever people decide it to be, through propaganda, coercion and lies. democracy is a failure. Slavery was a democratic right in America's history. Hence why many blacks including MLK were republican. Limited constitutional republics work better and stop mob rule, when practice matches theory.

[Staubdumm]

You didnt refer to my point that "being more democratically/ being more secular/ being more emancipated" does not justify crimes against people of other nations.

Coming to what you refered:

I agree with you, when you mean that "democracy" is not a value in itself. Participation in Economy and Politics is, wether it its democratically, in a consensus or "dictatorial" (dictatorial i.e. its nobody business what I wear or with which gender I have sex). Its a mixture of many decision-algorithms.

[Staubdumm]

Well, MLK may be was "republican", but he was also democratic socialist. Often nationalist like to point out the first, but avoid the latter.

Its only "mob rule" if the mob intervens in decision they shouldnt be allowed in. Like what I wear or what I say. Its not only "mob rule" that is immoral. Its as well the bosses of the country who force me to work for them and if I do not, I starve. Resistance is being crushed by Nanny State (thats why it exist). Thats not freedom too.

[LeGioNoFZioN]

you're getting old Chomsky, like Greenspan, not completely in control of all of your faculties old. bless you sir. stay safe and enjoy the time you have left.

[daderone]

2 wrongs don't make a right noam. He knows Iran is a suicidal right wing theocratic dictatorship and it'd be an insult to suggest otherwise. Frankly its disappointing to see chomsky pretend he doesn't know iran wants nuclear weapons and what they plan to do with them.

[blackiron60]

Hypocrisy - a staple of foreign policy - and doubly so when coming from a superpower.

[manofsan]

Chomsky is full of crap. The US never supported India's nuclear program. The US created the NPT and the Nuclear Suppliers Group to block India's nuclear development after India detonated a nuclear explosion in 1974.

[blackiron60]

But the US sure is helping them now.

[manofsan]

No, the US isn't helping India - certainly not Obama.

The reality is that the US only made a deal with India because India had advanced to the point of its nuclear program being able to take off all on its own, outside of the NPT.

India's nuclear program dates back to the early 1950s, soon after its independence. Dr Homi Bhabha, the father of India's atomic program, studied under great physics minds like Paul Dirac, and was a contemporary of people like Oppenheimer. Yes, Indians do physics too

[tylerdurdenLLC]

LOL India is our insurance policy against China. We've collaborated technologically with them since ww1 and we most certainly did give them nuclear technology before and after they had it. As well as information technology and other military technology. Obviously they developed much of it independently but Americans helped them along and always will. There is much mutual benefit from this since China and Russia can be a threat to India, and because India is a good trading partner.

[BigLibrarian]

@tylerdurdenLLC You may not be off base when you say India is an insurance policy against China - both economically and militarily. But the technology transfer/help part your statement is not accurate. India got help with nuclear technology (civilian power) from France after WWII, especially after Indian independence. The US and France DID NOT have anything to do with India before that.

[BigLibrarian]

@tylerdurdenLLC After independence, India with Yugoslavia started the Non Allied Movement (NAM) to stay away from both the USSR which lasted till the war against Pakistan and liberation of Bangladesh in 1971. That's when India and US became mutual antagonists. That's when India and USSR became close allies, followed by the first Indian nuclear weapons test. This was designed as an insurance against both China as well as US-aided Pakistan.

[BigLibrarian]

@tylerdurdenLLC France pulled out of nuclear arrangements with India after the test as India was not a signatory to the NTP. Between 1971 and lets say last few years of Bill Clinton's presidency India's greatest military supporter has been the USSR and then Russia. The script changed as India opened its economy (at least a little bit), started churning out engineers in IT (as you have pointed out) required for the emerging technologies at the turn of the this century.

[BigLibrarian]

@tylerdurdenLLC China is a mutual threat to both US and India as you have pointed out, but Russia is still a close Indian ally and friend. Like Russia, India usually does not denounce Iran's nuclear ambitions. When both nations do it, its under great diplomatic pressure from both the US and EU (major trading partners for both countries). Apologies for so many posts, but history is messy and I am not erudite enough to sum it up in a few sentences (certainly not in 256 characters)

[toseeornot2see]

@manofsan before you call Chomsky anything, do your research, buddy.

[the2012report]

The Cold War, BTW, was not just a war against communism, but more importantly the Soviet Union. Some people like to paint it as a war of ideologues, but the Soviet Union was an evil thing independently of it's economic system. A Pole I knew in high school told me the Poles didn't hate "the socialism," the hated the Russians. It was formed more by Stalin than by anybody else, and he really was just another Czar, only more so.

[manofsan]

Stalin was a Georgian, not a Russian. This is the danger of having allowing someone from a small minority group with no natural broader support base into power. He will naturally lean towards some contrived revolutionary ideology like Socialism to artificially broaden his base. That's what Stalin did, as a member of the tiny Georgian trying to assert political dominance over the much larger Russian majority. You're also seeing Obama's stunt in trying to usher in a Socialist revolution in the USA

[the2012report]

Of course my Polish friend meant the Soviet Union, not just the Russians. And I don't think Stalin's specialness is simply attributable to his being a minority, but I haven't given that angle much thought. He came to power through others and took his opportunity. I think he was probably a true believer in Communism and thought he was doing what was necessary. I don't understand Obama's "stunt."

[thoughtvideo]

"socialist revolution"... you are way off base. I'm from Canada, which has far more socialized programs than the US (and that will remain the same even with Obama). but nobody would ever call Canada socialist. Unless you don't know the meaning of socialism.

[confuseTHEmasses]

most people dont. they think its mean U S S R. all T V and no read. thats the masses for you

[JunkCCCP]

@thoughtvideo

Far-right wingers usually don't, except for associating anything with the term "social" with "bad"

[slotkadupa]

@thoughtvideo Canada is absolutely Socialist it is a DEMOCRATIC Socialist state as is most of Europe actually Europe to a far greater extent than Canada.Socialism is just a buzz word that the Americans have associated with communism to the point where they do not differentiate the two.

[towneslives]

@slotkadupa

"Socialism" is not a homogenous theory, it has many variations - some advocate complete state control of the means of production, others want complete state regulation of a market economy, which is not quite the same thing. There are even some libertarian-socialists who want the abolition of the state altogether. I know what you mean but it's meaningless to just throw the word "socialism" around without properly defining what you mean. Canada, USA and Europe are all mixed economies

[the2012report]

If you look at the information on the internet, as Chomsky says to, you will conclude that Ronald Reagan thought winning the Cold War was more important than keeping nuclear weapon technology from Pakistan. Maybe he was wrong, but he's not the madman Chomsky blythely implies. And many people do think that the Soviet defeat in Afghanastan, which was enabled by Pakastani cooperation, was instrumental in winning the Cold War.

[the2012report]

Though, in a perverse kind of way, the world might be better off if the Soviet Union hadn't been defeated. It did a pretty good job keeping the Islamofascists under control until we helped the Islamofascists fight them.

[Kravis63]

Perhaps, but it is the direct result of the conflict we are involved in today with Afghanistan.

War never solves anything, it just leads to more wars.

[the2012report]

Everything leads to more wars.

[the2012report]

The Chomsky perspective fails to recognize the necessity of moral relativism, a double standard of right and wrong, one which applies within an environment with a functioning authority which can adjudicate according to due process, and the other in which might makes right. It's not nice, but it's reality. We can't treat Iran the same way we treat our next door neighbor. They'll eat us for lunch if we do.

[golddigger159]

Fuck off, Jews

Go, the Indians!!

Yay!! Go, the Indians!

I hope the jews don't get blown up but I won't lose any sleep if they did. Fuck them, anyway.

Fuck off to hell, all those who believe in hell.

Yay Dawkins! Darwinism Rules!!

[davidshaz20000]

fuking jew trying to bring sense to Nonsense shut up jew your words worth nothing for muslims only your blood worth something

[the2012report]

Reagan probably was concerned with the Soviet Union in Afghanistan at this time, which would provide some context. And India needs the balance against Pakistan. Israel, also, does not talk of wiping Iran off the map or the pages of history, either. Chomsky always leaves out the practical context.

[TheEvolver311]

you ignore that almost the entire middle east has been spanked by israel militarily. then you compound that with israel having nukes most likely, and certainly having bioweapons now. the rest of the near east is afraid that israel is going to wipe them off the map(i don't believe that is the case, but that is what the average person thinks about israel).

[the2012report]

I don't think it is true that the Arabs think Israel is going to wipe them out. Maybe the Palestinians think that. I think everybody knows that Israel has been defending itself with pre-emptive strikes. That may not be nice, but they are still technically at a state of war with most of the Arab countries, who refuse to make peace.

[purplecharger88]

It's just one of those things. Israel is an ally and Iran isn't and that is why they get special treatment. Same with Pakistan and India.

I'm not really worried about countries getting nuclear weapons because the all dwarf in comparison to Western nations and Russia. It's all a big joke and if they even wanted to use them we could nuke them 12x over and then some.

[MrRightAllTime]

nukes will bring world peace for real, you think bush will fucking attack iraq if they really did have nukes like north korean. israel is not an ally you whore job, why are the master doing israel's work for them. our soldiers dieing in iraq for israel. is america in charge or is israel. jews are for jews only because they think they are god's chosen people. do you see any fucking jews trying to convert other people.

[purplecharger88]

Israel is very much an ally. The UN, which western powers chiefly created and have most of the power in, created Israel out of a plot of territory owned by the UK. The vast majority of Israel's military arsenal and technology comes form the US. They also have a vested intrust in our actions in the Middle East.

[purplecharger88]

However Israel had no real driving force behind or attack in Iraq, the second time at least. Iraq was the invasion of the US and the direct plan of its leaders. Israel is far more concerned with Iran, Syria, Jordan, and Hamas. More often than not though Israel does its own fighting for itself and has proven it can do it very well without any help. If anything Israel has proven that it can survive without us.

[daderone]

i agree purplecharger

[ZamatoElite]

This guy is a beast.

Thanks Flora for giving this brilliant mind a voice.