Tarja really ought to sue Holpainen for the slander that he wrote about her. It was defamation of character, and she is too nice to take him to court.
why does this say her name and not Clint Mansells? Unless she played the piano she has nothing to do with this. Unless its just a montage of her photos to the song.... i could understand.
@MrAdhitherev totally agree with you... She made nightwish awesome and when they replaced her i listened to her solo music and it was just as awesome (if not better in some ways) i love tarja she is one of my fav singers, her voice is amazing and although nightwish now with anette is ok, it is nothing compareds to tarja!!!!!!!!
I started listening to NW with Tarja but what kept me listening is this one fact... metal + symphony/orchestra more specifically the LSO = holy shit!!! Tarja's voice is amazing and cannot be beat by most. But seriously, those who hate Tarja or Anette just because of what happened with NW, are not true music lovers. Those that cannot see the beauty in both Tarja's and Anette's voices individually are not true music lovers either.
Anette fans like Anette cause they feel like she is something they can aspire to be. Tarja has alot of talent and beauty which is special and not something ordinary people can aspire to. So they react with hatred towards Tarja...and anyone else who is truly special. Nothing more than jealousy that comes out of their own self hatred. I suppose there are other reasons to like Annette but usually the people calling Tarja a "bitch" are the ones whom this applies to.
being famous is hard enough, but being talked badly? c'mon guys, give her a break, she is just trying to do what her think best for her which is singing. So just forget about the incident with NW, she is walking alone and perfectly fine with it now. So instead of mocking her, lets just pray all the best for her. WLB is going to be her best solo yet.
She is very beautiful lady with great voice - Her voice and Nightwish was unique combination. I wish her luck! Thanks for your job - like this video with special pictures. Have a nice time :-)
Wow this song is so touching and beautiful, great job 5*
Tarja is not a bitch and people who despise Tarja now, are blind followers of mr. Holpainen and everything he said and wrote about her, that is one of the reasons, just to let you know ;)
THANK YOU Tarja is beast always has been its gay they kicked her out of nightwish and i hope the main reason they kicked her out dies along with the person who caused it! Marco Hietala rules to
for those people who call her bitch, please gather more information first about her. she's totally not like that. she's wonderful and inspired alot of people because of her voice. i think she's one of the reasons why most of the people listen to nw
My opinion is that,all the band made the nightwish,but without Tarja...yeah...it isn't nightwish.i can never imaginary that anette will be like tarja,cause it's impossible,tarja is unique!
People who only liked a few songs and did not know anything about Nightwish, remembered the band because there was Tarja, I'm sure about it. The people know much more Tarja (when she was in nw) than the others from Nightwish. So, she deserve a little more consideration.
Some people, even having known the Nightwish with Tarja singing, today with Anette, they despise Tarja totally... I don't know why!!! But, opinion is opinion. The world is full with differents opinions...
it's true.. nobody confesses she gave the band the name, although she never wrote music, lyrics.. now everybody says she's bitch, but without her, nw would never ever be so successful.
i'm sorry for her because it don't think her solo career is even comparable with her former with nw, but this is what she wanted, in the end..
@ericimbimbo the sad part is, that all the Nightwish fans split into 3 groups. Tarjaholics (who hate new NW and are all over Tarja), Tuomasholics (who despite Tarja) and those neutral, who still like both, dont despite any of them.
Anyway, amazing video, love it, love her. Perfect!
@ericimbimbo I despise nightwith without tarja....Ther eis no more nighwish without here. Nightwish is just a ordinary band, with ordinary lyrics and music. Nothing special. Tarja and her voice, her spirit was the Spirit of nightwish. But yes. Still Tarja is nothing without nightwish too. So is equal. Is Like Guns and Roses without Slash and Slash without GNR. :).you got the point.
@ericimbimbo and about this song from The fountain OST (Clint mansell) I recommend you to search and listen the new OST from black swan. It has a lot o Tzaikovski in it but still the genius of Mansell.
@atveus Thank you for saying that. The Black Swan and it's soundtrack were absolutely gorgeous. I would like more people to know of this movie and everything else that involves it. Truly a work of art.
And if you drop off that "escapist" bullshit Tuomas has invented, you may see how the things really are, because your ignorance won't change them, it will change you!
You are a girl, rather superficial one, judging from your interests, rather lazy one because your ideas are vague, rather irresponsible one because you blindly trust what the others say and rather disrespectful because you throw your opinion in the face of a person who is much wiser than you.
Zeliziouz, how the hell did you imagine that you are polite? Speaking polite words is not politeness, politeness is to try to understand the other person, what does he/she mean, how does he/she feel, etc. And when I see somebody as confused as you what am I supposed to do, to jump of joy and clamp my hands "Bravo"? Of course I'm very annoyed with you; oh or should I put my polite glasses on and say to you "go girl, keep it that way"? Excuse me, but there still are people who DO care!
In fact I'm laughting with you right now; how can I think of such a stupid thing! Thoughts, you know, come and go and you can't much of control them...
Zelizious, I see you truly admire the way Tuomas and co are devoted to their work and give their best to it. The thing I'll do is to give the best to MY work, which is to understand people, i.e. to try to understand YOU.
[sarcasm] I couldn't agree more, our beloved angel and musical genius Tuomas, such a shy and dear boy, the soul of Nightwish, Peter Pan from Neverland, Jack Sparrow wannabe...The same Tuomas who now has more make-up than Tarja & Anette, the one who fires people in public, the one with "good cultural differences", the one who's not greedy (over 150 gigs in less than 2 years + new easy listening sound = commercial = more money)...Yeah, he truly is an angel and genius [/sarcasm]
There is one delicate thing, the "superficial line" as somebody may say ;-) ; if you do care about the MESSAGE of a song, it's not of such a big importance who will perform it, because the message is the main thing; if you start thinking about the WAY the song is performed, it's a total different story - the appearance is the main thing. With the change of the lead singer, NW said we care only about the appearance. With staying with Tarja people say - we care about the message.
People, attracted to old NW are people who need to see somebody following their soul - that's the thing they were toched by - be faithful to yourself, pay attention to your soul needs, do not trust the appearance but the spirit. And when the people covincing them in that do exactly the opposite how all these "old" fans sholud feel like?
1AzureSky, shred5, I think the main thing about changing a singer is the internal doubt it causes - well I have been listening to this music with this girl performing it and it touched something in my soul. Now the girl is different, the music seems to be the same; it certainly arises some questions: what exactly touched me, the music or the singer with her personality; should I follow the easy twisting opinions or stay faithful to that touch because it showed me some part of myself?
I don't bitch on you, I just feel sorry for you. Have you ever wondered why they are whining? Ever thought of people might miss her in NW? And why do you found yourself the one who would end their whining?
No I don't have the need to jump anyone's ass, you do that all the time to satisfy your smart-wannabe ego. Nobody psychoanalyzed you, you're too obvious and too simple. So, if you consider yourself senior, when did you discover NW anyway? Since "Oceanborn" I assume?
"I don't bitch on you, I just feel sorry for you."
Thank you, Dr. Phil, now go back to your day job.
Ever though that calling Anette names, claiming she can't sing, and pronouncing NW dead, only because Tarja left, is utterly useless and stupid?
I like to argue opinions because half of them are misinformed and come from whinny butt hurt Tarja fans who attached themselves to the singer, completely disregarding the rest of the band.
Actually I pay no attention to them, because I know that the fact that Anette didn't fall from the sky to NW and that Tuomas hired her, hasn't come to their minds yet. She has strong voice, she is at very hard task and most important is that she sings in her own way which is good, but some of the songs really doesn't suit her technique, or belting or whatever and especially the color of her voice. And u didn't answer my question, when did you discover them? Perhaps with "Century Child"?
Actually our dear Julietta, YOU spending so much time here that people recognize you as the one who keeps repeating that same story (about more than a year) pretty much more tells about yourself, not about us. So you can try to convince till the end of time that it is vice versa it will always be pointless.
Anette does have strong voice, but when she over-belts herself it really doesn't sound pleasant to ones ears,she strains too much. Tarja's power is also in the color of her voice.
So you aren't gonna mention anything about the Tarja cultists complaining about Tarja being out of NW after 4 freaken years of incessant whining (not to mention that they are tone deaf elitists who keep repeating each other's sound bites), instead you're gonna bitch about me commenting on their posts? Way to jump someone's ass, junior.
"people recognize you as the one who keeps repeating that same story"
It's not my fault they keep repeating the same shit for the past 4 years.
Actually I stated my honest opinion... I am sorry you took offense to that, but quite honesty if that offends you then you need help and I'm no psychotherapist.
Remember, everyone bitches about people bitching, but in the end, it's still bitching isn't it?
I don't get offended by ignorance. Stating that without Tarja they are not the same band, when they haven't been consistently the same WITH Tarja, doesn't make any sense. There haven't really been much of a vocal change since Once. I wonder why you didn't complain that they are not the same band in Once compared to what they used to be in Angels Fall First.
If you weren't offended by me saying that they aren't the same band then you would not be calling me ignorant.
Continually bringing up Once vs Angels Fall First is another testament to your stubbornness.
They sound like a cover band when they play their older material. When that happens, they are no longer the same band. That's practically a dictionary definition right there...
Here's a newsflash: people have opinions, or are you going to argue that too? Go back to nazi Germany.
Again, you are trying to psychoanalyze me. You are ignorant because you aren't seeing the vocal change with Tarja from operatic to mainstream. That was evident in Century Child and Once. And just because they haven't hired another classical singer and watered down her vocals ( as they did with Tarja), but instead hired someone who could actually belt properly, doesn't mean a huge vocal change, because it was already with Tarja.
"They sound like a cover band when they play their older material."
So the fact that it's the same musicians playing the same songs in the same genre doesn't mean anything?
I don't argue opinions, I argue the way they are being expressed your superficial hack.
"Go back to nazi Germany. "
Here is another newsflash: I have as much of a right to speak as you do. Apparently you think that free speech is applied to only those who agree with you. Way to be an asshole.
On the second thought, it might not be as funny as your comment about Nazi Germany. Fanboys always get defensive and increasingly insulted every time someone criticizes their favorite singers.
Just like you when someone criticize Anette with real arguments.You don't even have the guts to answer one simple question so I'll suppose that you discovered them with "Once" which itself was a disappointing album to old fans. You are annoyed by Tarja fans but Anette fans don't bother you when they insult? Because you like Anette more and everything comes to matter of taste, and remember the good ol' saying about tastes? Anyone with an inch of brain knows it...
Tarja doesn't wail. As a matter of fact Tarja improved her singing, she is way better than with NW's last tour. When relations got worse, it could be heard in her performances which were really disappointing. At least for me.
I never said that Anette can't sing nor have given her a bad name I just don't fancy the color of her voice nor her highest notes that much.
When you ask me directly, you need to reply to me directly or at least type my name in your post. When you post a fresh comment i have no idea of knowing it is directed at me.
I have no problem replying to that question. I own every single album by NW. And Wishmaster is my favorite, followed by Oceanborn and Century Child. DPP is my 4th favorite. So i definitely like NW with Tarja as much as i like them with Anette. And I surely appreciate their operatic style with Tarja [cont]
Actually I did reply to you twice, it seems to be problem with YT service in arranging comments and replies. Anette is also not so good live, but rarely there is a singer who is really good live. Too much technology nowadays. I was at Tarja's concert and I couldn't believe how good she was that night, she def. is much happier and it is felt in her performances. I liked MWS, because of the emotion, and though some of the songs aren't truly metal I loved them very very much, and not because [..]
[..] I "worship her blindly", it's because I loved the music, lyrics followed by her voice. I think her time is yet to come as a songwriter cause she is talented, only now she just started to explore it deeper. And while speaking of creativity I can't wait to hear about Anette's contribution on the next album... if Tuomas lets her off course.
So far Anette contributed as much to the creative process as Tarja did. And since Tuomas has the monopoly on NW, i have little faith that she will actually be allowed to write anything. But given the way she reinterpreted the old songs, i'm giving her 2 thumbs for up for vocal creativity and not trying to sound like Tarja.
And as far as Tarja's song writing goes, i think she has a long way to go before she can produce the same quality material as NW does.
I think that she actually shouldn't try to achieve sound as equal as NW. Quality of NW songs has fallen since "Once". I've expected more from DPP, not vocally, I'm talking bout songs. And actually you mustn't forget the fact that Tarja did contribute to creativity at first, cause Tuomas wanted totally different sound, and after hearing her voice and technique he adjusted the songs, so Tarja also had her share in giving certain "mark" to the band, she was a founding member too [....]
[...] When it comes to Anette, I don't see the way she sings as an contribution, because she sings the only way she knows, she's just being herself. I think that she actually was good choice, and now I understand why she was chosen, cause I've heard many girls on YT covering old NW songs, and they are all Tarja wannabes. And considering the main fact that things really ended the ugliest possible way, I'm sure that Tuomas wanted to escape from Tarja's clones as far as possible [...]
[...] And Anette is at very hard task, this is an exhausting tour, most of the videos uploaded can't "give" the true sound, because most cameras actually can't do that. So I prefer the opinion of the people who actually attended gigs. And since Anette got herself as well her own personal manager, and said how she understood Tarja better, people should try to even think deeper into the whole matter. That's why I think all these VS videos should be banned.
I am pretty sure that Tuomas can be an eccentric and a control freak. He doesn't allow anyone to write the lyrics and he is pretty choosy about music. So I understand Tarja's point of view as well. However, I've seen her MWS interview and she said something that i though was strange. She said that she wouldn't consider MWS her "solo" album, but just another album by Tarja Turunen. So that made me think of whether i just did not understand her or she decided that she made NW.
I think she meant that MWS isn't her work alone entirely. She keeps mentioning how big the contribution of her accompanying band is, so maybe that's what she meant...
But if she did mean it as you say, it'd be a huge turn off in my opinion.
Well, it's her solo album, isn't it? And i don't see why she shouldn't refer to MWS as her solo album. I don't think she would be claiming all the credit for her self since the songs not written by her will be already credited to the right people on the CD booklet.
As far as i know she only wrote Oasis, right?
But to claim that the albums of NW are her work too is too much. Unless of course she did not word it right, but only she knows.
She is probably a nice person. I've seen lots of videos with her being very humble with fans. But i have a feeling she got ahead of herself when she was with N W. Did you notice she brings up her classical education a lot, even when nobody is talking about it.
Hmmmmm... I dunno. I agree that she probably wasn't being the best person in the world when she was in NW, maybe she let the success go to far up her head, but I think the break with NW really humbled her & returned her to her roots, you what I mean?
I don't mind her complimenting herself on her musical education, as I think confidence is important for every artist. Anette keeps on giving herself praises about her voice, & no one minds. Not even I :P
I agree, she seems like less of a diva right now. She looks a lot happier and more involved with the fans, instead of the emotionless doll she appeared to be with NW. Perhaps because she never thought that she was truly a part of NW. But now this is her baby.
I know Anette gives her voice praises too, but when it comes to Tarja i always thought it sounded more like bragging. I don't know, maybe i am wrong.
lol, I was feeling the same about Anette :P But that's not even something I care too much about. I think some singers have earned the right to brag about their voices. With Tarja, it's not even the technique or anything like that, but the color of her voice that is unique. I don't think I've ever heard anyone with a voice like that, so if she wants to brag about it, be my guest... If Anette wants to brag about being chosen out of 2,000 other girls, I guess she has the right to do it too.
I agree that Tarja's deep and soulful voice is distinguishable. But i've also heard someone similar like the singer of Operatika and the ex singers of Visions of Atlantis. Seems like everyone wants to copy her.
Hmmmmm... I've never heard the singer Operatika (I'll check her out), but now that you mention it, I can see some similarities with the last singer of VoA. Pretty amusing :P
"I don't see the way she sings as an contribution, because she sings the only way she knows"
Well, most singers sing in a way that they know, including Tarja.
But I agree with you on the rest. Tuomas made a good choice of not hiring Tarja's "clone", or another classical singer. While there are many classical singers that are better than Tarja, people will still not see them as anything other than Tarja's clones.
No, you misunderstood me. I don't think she should try to sound like NW or people will never be able to separate her from NW. She should try to improve her song writing and instead of making it a vocal extravaganza, add some musical originality. And she really should stop covering other people's songs. Many of her fans criticize Anette on "covering" her songs, she she isn't that great at covering Poison.
Tarja still does wail live, but she seems to be having more fun and to actually care about her performances. She still doesn't sound as good live as she does on the albums and i think she will be a lot better if she let go of the classical and learned how to belt properly. I don't like her solo album not because of her but because of the music. The song "In the Picture" though is awesome and if she made that kind of music I would definitely listen to it. [end]
And i never referred to you personally badmouthing Anette. But there are still plenty of people who claim that she can't sing, who call her names and proclaim Tarja the goddess of metal, when she stopped being metal after she left NW.
People dont call me a fascist, you do. You dont know me either. I barely commented on what you said, never about your personal taste. And instead of having a civil discussion, you got all butt hurt and offended. You never even understood why i mentioned the other albums.
Only fanboys think that the lead singer makes the band (unless of course they're someone like Freddy Mercury). Tarja couldnt have made the band because she was the least creative member . She was just a singer and a figure head
I understood why you mentioned the other albums, because you got all offended and tried find something in desperation to support your argument when you already knew I don't agree, because if I did I would have said they sound like a different band come post Once than before -- I didn't, and that's only half true.
Only deaf people don't notice a chance in the singer, especially one that is completely different. Not to mention they write songs differently for Anette...
Your psychoanalysis is as lame as your argument. I mentioned the albums from the very beginning and what i was saying was absolutely factual which can be easily confirmed by Tuomas and if you actually listened to the music, instead of being fixated on Tarja's voice, you would have gotten my point.
I can obviously hear the difference between Anette and Tarja, but i was talking about the singing style. And they haven't written anything for Anette. Everything was already finished when she joined.
Wrong again. My argument is not lame, but your fascist attitude sure is.
Telling me to listen to the music - I have probably studied music for more years than you have been alive, and quite honestly, that's another laughable comment.
And if you believe everything was already finished when Anette joined... well, she did sing on the album, did she not? Of course, I have no doubts that you are willing to argue that too...
And the fact that you are calling me a Nazi because i'm giving you facts that you do not like makes you a pretty vicious assholes. But then again, a lot of Tarja's fantards are like that. Typical and pathetic.
I repeated what Tuomas and Marco said, so in your view they are also incorrect about their own music. This is really getting embarassing. You should stop.
Find me a source. You've proven anything but reliable.
Plus considering they had what, 2 years downtime... I highly doubt that would be true even if they did say it, it just doesn't make sense on any level.
Yes, but my point also holds true too... if you need it in Tuomas's words, she "did change the interpretation of the vocal lines".
Plus, you don't think they didn't play it safe writing the songs in the first place -- as they said, they didn't know who would sing it, what their range would be etc....
And that's why they sound like a cover band playing their older material... plus they're much more "American" than European now. Rhythmically/tonally, sure that started with Once, but musically it happened on Dark Passion Play...
Everyone has a life, people just live it differently. And spending so much time discussing me, putting certain words in quotes without any reason, and trying to psychoanalyze me because you are threatened by something i said doesn't speak very well of your existence.
If you took your time to understand what i was saying, instead of getting all butt hurt and personal, maybe there would be no reason to be all "high"?
But please, go ahead, you are such experts on "life".
I like this video and the title..to me it says that there are Tarja fans (I know there are lots of them) who follow her as a solo artist without wishing her back on nw..
I bet there are. Lots of my online friends who are Nightwish fans also love Tarja's solo career, but are more than fine with the band going on without her.
The people who write music make the band. What did Tarja ever write for NW?
"I'm not sure why they're still called Nightwish."
Because the important people are still in it. The golden rule of fantard is to attach themselves to a superficial member and to pretend they make the band because they are the focal point.
They haven't been the "same" band between Angels Fall First and Once. They went through constant changes, yet you still pretend that Anette is the only dramatic change they ever went through. Oceanborn and Once don't sound the same, even with the same singer.
You said they are not the same band. They haven't been the "same" band since the beginning. They constantly went through changes. Now that a superficial line up is gone you are complaining?
No, I'm not saying anything out of the context. You claimed that they aren't the "same" band without Tarja and I said that they've been consistently changing WITH Tarja. So really haven't been the same band from the first to the last album with Tarja, yet you pretend that Anette was the only drastic change they went through.
You said that they aren't the same without Tarja and I said that they've been consistently changing with Tarja so they cannot be different without her when they continually changed their style WITH her.
I mentioned other albums because they haven't been consistently the same from the beginning which makes your point moot. And i never said anything about you mentioning their albums. You don't even understand wtf you are talking about.
"They went through constant changes, yet you still pretend that Anette is the only dramatic change they ever went through. "
Once again if you learn to read inbetween the lines, this has nothing to do with differences in the albums with Tarja or Anette or the topic onhand. I never said anything about differences between albums with Tarja, so stop changing the topic.
Whatever, there's the old saying about how arguing with retards on the internet is like the special olympics....
You keep trying to change the subject at hand, and are still trying to argue it's somehow relevant. It's not.
You can honestly tell me that Nightwish with Anette singing some of the older material sounds like the same band? Then you are deaf or just stupid, I really don't know which.
I am not trying to change the subject, you just don't have very good reading comprehension.
Yes, they still sound like the same band with Anette and you know why? Because it's the same musicians playing the same songs in the same genre. The only thing that's different it's the voice.
What exactly makes me tone deaf? Is it because I don't shit all over a perfectly good singer while proclaiming a mediocre classical one to be the guru of metal music?
I've read my posts and i don't see any bullshit. You're just a brain dead fan who can't disengage their ego from Tarja. A vocal change does not equal to a change in the music genre or a band's style. Yet you morons still decided that NW was Tarja's solo project and/or stage name. Who the fuck cares about song writing... (sarcasm)
*yawn* Run along kid, and look up the definition of a "hypocrite" while your are at it. Arguing with you is as challenging as wrestling with an infant. This "conversation" is over.
The problem with YulieAna is that "she" never puts anything personal in "her" posts. Speaking to "her" is like catching a very slippery fish in water with bare hands - almost impossible. Just suggestion - don't waste your human potential with such people.
Off course it's not fair criticism, she just manipulates superficially with these "critical thinking" terms proving how miserable "her existence" here on youtube really is, cause she feels so "high" when she's writing smt. that would make her "smarter" than others. Probably because in real life she has no actual credits for whatever she does. Actually If she had a successful life or life at all, she wouldn't waste a half of it bashing on Tarja here on YT.
I think Yulie understands Tarja's performance perfectly. Tarja is flawed, like any singer. She's great as a metal singer, but not so much as a classical singer.
You're pretty much right, but she does have a very strong voice and vibratos, and Anette can't match that. And I do believe she's never done any classical training either...
Her vibrato could use a lot more control. Having no classical training does not mean shit when it comes to whether a vocalist is good or not. Devin Townsend is a brilliant vocalist but he's never had vocal lessons of any sort.
That's one thing I thought she did very good actually... vibrato. Sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I don't -- and now that I think about it, being it sometimes works so well and sometimes doesn't work as good, you're probably 100% right about that.
I never said having no classical training makes her a bad vocalist, I was just pointing that out. I always thought she was very good personally.
1AzureSky, I disagree on that point. Changing the vocals is not like changing a tire, it's a different person with different motive for singing, with different message to you. Some people feel close to this message, some not; some people feel relevant to the deepness of the message, some think it should be more/less deep and that makes them fans of a particular singer; but is always human being at the begining.
Tarja,..the voice of an angel. When I´min heaven,..please sing for me !!!!
bgsprd1 3 days ago
really who is this song bye i love it !
butterfly72949 2 weeks ago in playlist Tarja Turunen
nice women
EndOfTimeless 2 weeks ago
Tarja really ought to sue Holpainen for the slander that he wrote about her. It was defamation of character, and she is too nice to take him to court.
strawberrymutt 3 weeks ago
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gemlini 1 month ago
I loved the pictures and this song is beautiful, I can tell from which album is it?
I have my winter storm and what lies beneath, and there is this song = /
anapaulaalvesvieira 2 months ago
What's the Conection between Tarja and this soundtrack ?
Bojansimoski 3 months ago
Tarja is so beautiful8D
mayettaxtriger436 3 months ago
why does this say her name and not Clint Mansells? Unless she played the piano she has nothing to do with this. Unless its just a montage of her photos to the song.... i could understand.
pantherstealth1 3 months ago
She is an Angel which is sent on Earth to spread music of Heaven
NenadlPopovic 4 months ago 3
I LIKE NIGHTWISH NOW AND MUCH MORE WHEN TARJA WAS IN IT, SHE MADE IT MORE INTENSE, MORE ELECTRIC.
anatilah 4 months ago 3
Tarja the Incredible women on this earth for new era of century.
with amazing voices with NW or Solo her so still Amazing women and
she my favourite Queen Of Metal..Awesome!!
Oh my Lord Is My God blessing her forever n Ever
MrAdhitherev 5 months ago 2
@MrAdhitherev totally agree with you... She made nightwish awesome and when they replaced her i listened to her solo music and it was just as awesome (if not better in some ways) i love tarja she is one of my fav singers, her voice is amazing and although nightwish now with anette is ok, it is nothing compareds to tarja!!!!!!!!
Mikeycub2892 1 month ago
Tarja the Incredible women on this earth for new era of century
MrAdhitherev 5 months ago
I started listening to NW with Tarja but what kept me listening is this one fact... metal + symphony/orchestra more specifically the LSO = holy shit!!! Tarja's voice is amazing and cannot be beat by most. But seriously, those who hate Tarja or Anette just because of what happened with NW, are not true music lovers. Those that cannot see the beauty in both Tarja's and Anette's voices individually are not true music lovers either.
Nysythic 5 months ago 2
The song is beautiful, the video is in my favourite, Tarja is my favourite singer.
But the hell, together they make a video like a tribute as if something horrible happened to her! Or whatever awful things D':
It's very very sad, makes me cry because of that silly too beautiful sad song T.T
Tarja forever <3
PingouinBleu1 5 months ago
I love Tarja the best singer of the world bjs!!! Tarja
TheMarcondes29 10 months ago
Anette fans like Anette cause they feel like she is something they can aspire to be. Tarja has alot of talent and beauty which is special and not something ordinary people can aspire to. So they react with hatred towards Tarja...and anyone else who is truly special. Nothing more than jealousy that comes out of their own self hatred. I suppose there are other reasons to like Annette but usually the people calling Tarja a "bitch" are the ones whom this applies to.
BlueNeko1 10 months ago 2
I must admit I loved Nightwish with her. I like it now too... but it`s not it..
But still I`m not talking about her or Anette that they are like this or that..
I bellive it passed enough time to stop comparing them and hate them because they are diferent. Lets listen to music for change.. ;)
Tarja and Nightwish <3
LadyButerflly 11 months ago
essa musica e dela mesmo ??
e muito linda , nunca tinha ouvido , mas gostei muito !!
obrigado pelo post !!
garotyner 1 year ago
This is beautiful. Obrigado, ericimbimbo.
joshieboy15 1 year ago
tell me. how can you hate such a beautiful woman with such a wonderful voice? How can you hate such an angel? Are you braindead? srsly nao.
wonderful song.
BigScarab90 1 year ago 4
so this,is the best
goodstorylover 1 year ago
being famous is hard enough, but being talked badly? c'mon guys, give her a break, she is just trying to do what her think best for her which is singing. So just forget about the incident with NW, she is walking alone and perfectly fine with it now. So instead of mocking her, lets just pray all the best for her. WLB is going to be her best solo yet.
fantasywandres 1 year ago 2
The tempo and melody sounds little to weak for me but a piece of mind.
Dolflu 1 year ago
(L)
enkeli0312 1 year ago
its a beautiful song, beatiful woman, i love them both, but making a video like this sucks!!! she doesnt sing, its a scam!!!!
nicpach 1 year ago
is beautiful, I'm in love with this woman since he appeared ... it's an impossible love
Frechinst 2 years ago 7
@Frechinst I know what you mean... ~♥
TayomeChan 1 year ago
@Frechinst me too ;)
SkillzProject2008 1 year ago
she is so beautiful, and the song is, too!
it reminds me a bit of lp's piano version of numb sometimes...but what about lp...
Tarja's voice is a gift, given by God himself.
Monrosefreak91094 2 years ago 8
She is very beautiful lady with great voice - Her voice and Nightwish was unique combination. I wish her luck! Thanks for your job - like this video with special pictures. Have a nice time :-)
cinapo 2 years ago 6
the picture at 3:12 is so funny..... ^^
but she's still so beautiful!!
KiyoAyavi 2 years ago 2
Tarja lives NOW
not before... she lives NOW!!!
dude this title "Together We'll Live Forever" sucks bcos it looks like Tarja is dead...... just noticing..
glupsamja 2 years ago 3
@glupsamja I agree. But it's syill a lovely song and video :)
TayomeChan 1 year ago
quelle femme magnifique et ca voix......
damiencipri 2 years ago
Wow this song is so touching and beautiful, great job 5*
Tarja is not a bitch and people who despise Tarja now, are blind followers of mr. Holpainen and everything he said and wrote about her, that is one of the reasons, just to let you know ;)
CrankBubble 2 years ago 47
THANK YOU Tarja is beast always has been its gay they kicked her out of nightwish and i hope the main reason they kicked her out dies along with the person who caused it! Marco Hietala rules to
klondike0515 2 years ago 2
:-/ But this song is by The Fountain, wth? Anyway, Tarja rocks!
AK47wrath 2 years ago 19
Yes, it is, but the song is beautiful.
ericimbimbo 2 years ago 14
@AK47wrath It's called Together We Will Live Forever" by Clint Mansell.
cbxsage 10 months ago
for those people who call her bitch, please gather more information first about her. she's totally not like that. she's wonderful and inspired alot of people because of her voice. i think she's one of the reasons why most of the people listen to nw
amaranth0290 2 years ago 77
My opinion is that,all the band made the nightwish,but without Tarja...yeah...it isn't nightwish.i can never imaginary that anette will be like tarja,cause it's impossible,tarja is unique!
muxtii 2 years ago 13
People who only liked a few songs and did not know anything about Nightwish, remembered the band because there was Tarja, I'm sure about it. The people know much more Tarja (when she was in nw) than the others from Nightwish. So, she deserve a little more consideration.
Some people, even having known the Nightwish with Tarja singing, today with Anette, they despise Tarja totally... I don't know why!!! But, opinion is opinion. The world is full with differents opinions...
*Sorry my bad English*
ericimbimbo 2 years ago 36
it's true.. nobody confesses she gave the band the name, although she never wrote music, lyrics.. now everybody says she's bitch, but without her, nw would never ever be so successful.
i'm sorry for her because it don't think her solo career is even comparable with her former with nw, but this is what she wanted, in the end..
martinahrovat 2 years ago
The people that said she was a bitch really need to get the official biography that was done on the band, and they'll think differently
emptybliss2 2 years ago 5
@ericimbimbo the sad part is, that all the Nightwish fans split into 3 groups. Tarjaholics (who hate new NW and are all over Tarja), Tuomasholics (who despite Tarja) and those neutral, who still like both, dont despite any of them.
Anyway, amazing video, love it, love her. Perfect!
Greedo024 1 year ago
@ericimbimbo I despise nightwith without tarja....Ther eis no more nighwish without here. Nightwish is just a ordinary band, with ordinary lyrics and music. Nothing special. Tarja and her voice, her spirit was the Spirit of nightwish. But yes. Still Tarja is nothing without nightwish too. So is equal. Is Like Guns and Roses without Slash and Slash without GNR. :).you got the point.
atveus 10 months ago
@ericimbimbo and about this song from The fountain OST (Clint mansell) I recommend you to search and listen the new OST from black swan. It has a lot o Tzaikovski in it but still the genius of Mansell.
atveus 10 months ago
@atveus Thank you for saying that. The Black Swan and it's soundtrack were absolutely gorgeous. I would like more people to know of this movie and everything else that involves it. Truly a work of art.
BlueNeko1 10 months ago
@ericimbimbo You should read the letter that they wrote to her. Then you will know why they despise her.
ricoben3 6 months ago
And if you drop off that "escapist" bullshit Tuomas has invented, you may see how the things really are, because your ignorance won't change them, it will change you!
HeRMit355 2 years ago
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Zeliziouz 2 years ago
So, does the anger in you show you why people hate NW? Or dehumanized work is OK only when is on somebody else's back?
HeRMit355 2 years ago
You are a girl, rather superficial one, judging from your interests, rather lazy one because your ideas are vague, rather irresponsible one because you blindly trust what the others say and rather disrespectful because you throw your opinion in the face of a person who is much wiser than you.
HeRMit355 2 years ago
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Zeliziouz 2 years ago
Zeliziouz, how the hell did you imagine that you are polite? Speaking polite words is not politeness, politeness is to try to understand the other person, what does he/she mean, how does he/she feel, etc. And when I see somebody as confused as you what am I supposed to do, to jump of joy and clamp my hands "Bravo"? Of course I'm very annoyed with you; oh or should I put my polite glasses on and say to you "go girl, keep it that way"? Excuse me, but there still are people who DO care!
HeRMit355 2 years ago
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Zeliziouz 2 years ago
In fact I'm laughting with you right now; how can I think of such a stupid thing! Thoughts, you know, come and go and you can't much of control them...
HeRMit355 2 years ago
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Zeliziouz 2 years ago
Zelizious, I see you truly admire the way Tuomas and co are devoted to their work and give their best to it. The thing I'll do is to give the best to MY work, which is to understand people, i.e. to try to understand YOU.
HeRMit355 2 years ago
On second thought no, nobody is that bad, not our beloved angel and genius Tuomas...
HeRMit355 2 years ago 2
[sarcasm] I couldn't agree more, our beloved angel and musical genius Tuomas, such a shy and dear boy, the soul of Nightwish, Peter Pan from Neverland, Jack Sparrow wannabe...The same Tuomas who now has more make-up than Tarja & Anette, the one who fires people in public, the one with "good cultural differences", the one who's not greedy (over 150 gigs in less than 2 years + new easy listening sound = commercial = more money)...Yeah, he truly is an angel and genius [/sarcasm]
xoooxGxooox 2 years ago
Wait, a strange thought came to my mind... DID THEY DO IT ON PURPOSE?
HeRMit355 2 years ago
There is one delicate thing, the "superficial line" as somebody may say ;-) ; if you do care about the MESSAGE of a song, it's not of such a big importance who will perform it, because the message is the main thing; if you start thinking about the WAY the song is performed, it's a total different story - the appearance is the main thing. With the change of the lead singer, NW said we care only about the appearance. With staying with Tarja people say - we care about the message.
HeRMit355 2 years ago
That's why they like Tarja more!
HeRMit355 2 years ago
People, attracted to old NW are people who need to see somebody following their soul - that's the thing they were toched by - be faithful to yourself, pay attention to your soul needs, do not trust the appearance but the spirit. And when the people covincing them in that do exactly the opposite how all these "old" fans sholud feel like?
HeRMit355 2 years ago
1AzureSky, shred5, I think the main thing about changing a singer is the internal doubt it causes - well I have been listening to this music with this girl performing it and it touched something in my soul. Now the girl is different, the music seems to be the same; it certainly arises some questions: what exactly touched me, the music or the singer with her personality; should I follow the easy twisting opinions or stay faithful to that touch because it showed me some part of myself?
HeRMit355 2 years ago
I don't bitch on you, I just feel sorry for you. Have you ever wondered why they are whining? Ever thought of people might miss her in NW? And why do you found yourself the one who would end their whining?
No I don't have the need to jump anyone's ass, you do that all the time to satisfy your smart-wannabe ego. Nobody psychoanalyzed you, you're too obvious and too simple. So, if you consider yourself senior, when did you discover NW anyway? Since "Oceanborn" I assume?
xoooxGxooox 2 years ago
"I don't bitch on you, I just feel sorry for you."
Thank you, Dr. Phil, now go back to your day job.
Ever though that calling Anette names, claiming she can't sing, and pronouncing NW dead, only because Tarja left, is utterly useless and stupid?
I like to argue opinions because half of them are misinformed and come from whinny butt hurt Tarja fans who attached themselves to the singer, completely disregarding the rest of the band.
They are the ones you should feel sorry for.
YulieAna 2 years ago
Actually I pay no attention to them, because I know that the fact that Anette didn't fall from the sky to NW and that Tuomas hired her, hasn't come to their minds yet. She has strong voice, she is at very hard task and most important is that she sings in her own way which is good, but some of the songs really doesn't suit her technique, or belting or whatever and especially the color of her voice. And u didn't answer my question, when did you discover them? Perhaps with "Century Child"?
xoooxGxooox 2 years ago
Actually our dear Julietta, YOU spending so much time here that people recognize you as the one who keeps repeating that same story (about more than a year) pretty much more tells about yourself, not about us. So you can try to convince till the end of time that it is vice versa it will always be pointless.
Anette does have strong voice, but when she over-belts herself it really doesn't sound pleasant to ones ears,she strains too much. Tarja's power is also in the color of her voice.
xoooxGxooox 2 years ago
So you aren't gonna mention anything about the Tarja cultists complaining about Tarja being out of NW after 4 freaken years of incessant whining (not to mention that they are tone deaf elitists who keep repeating each other's sound bites), instead you're gonna bitch about me commenting on their posts? Way to jump someone's ass, junior.
"people recognize you as the one who keeps repeating that same story"
It's not my fault they keep repeating the same shit for the past 4 years.
YulieAna 2 years ago
Actually I stated my honest opinion... I am sorry you took offense to that, but quite honesty if that offends you then you need help and I'm no psychotherapist.
Remember, everyone bitches about people bitching, but in the end, it's still bitching isn't it?
shred5 2 years ago
I don't get offended by ignorance. Stating that without Tarja they are not the same band, when they haven't been consistently the same WITH Tarja, doesn't make any sense. There haven't really been much of a vocal change since Once. I wonder why you didn't complain that they are not the same band in Once compared to what they used to be in Angels Fall First.
YulieAna 2 years ago
If you weren't offended by me saying that they aren't the same band then you would not be calling me ignorant.
Continually bringing up Once vs Angels Fall First is another testament to your stubbornness.
They sound like a cover band when they play their older material. When that happens, they are no longer the same band. That's practically a dictionary definition right there...
Here's a newsflash: people have opinions, or are you going to argue that too? Go back to nazi Germany.
shred5 2 years ago
Again, you are trying to psychoanalyze me. You are ignorant because you aren't seeing the vocal change with Tarja from operatic to mainstream. That was evident in Century Child and Once. And just because they haven't hired another classical singer and watered down her vocals ( as they did with Tarja), but instead hired someone who could actually belt properly, doesn't mean a huge vocal change, because it was already with Tarja.
YulieAna 2 years ago
"They sound like a cover band when they play their older material."
So the fact that it's the same musicians playing the same songs in the same genre doesn't mean anything?
I don't argue opinions, I argue the way they are being expressed your superficial hack.
"Go back to nazi Germany. "
Here is another newsflash: I have as much of a right to speak as you do. Apparently you think that free speech is applied to only those who agree with you. Way to be an asshole.
YulieAna 2 years ago
You calling me a superficial hack?
I'm laughing too hard right now. Coming from you, that's just about the most hilarious thing I've ever heard.
shred5 2 years ago
shred5, you mistake me with somebody else; I've never called you anything :-)
HeRMit355 2 years ago
On the second thought, it might not be as funny as your comment about Nazi Germany. Fanboys always get defensive and increasingly insulted every time someone criticizes their favorite singers.
YulieAna 2 years ago
Just like you when someone criticize Anette with real arguments.You don't even have the guts to answer one simple question so I'll suppose that you discovered them with "Once" which itself was a disappointing album to old fans. You are annoyed by Tarja fans but Anette fans don't bother you when they insult? Because you like Anette more and everything comes to matter of taste, and remember the good ol' saying about tastes? Anyone with an inch of brain knows it...
junior... ;)
xoooxGxooox 2 years ago
I don't proclaim Anette the epitome of perfection and the master of metal so your point is moot.
"You don't even have the guts to answer one simple question"
You have to ask me the question first before demanding an answer.
"so I'll suppose that you discovered them with "Once" which itself was a disappointing album to old fans."
Instead of supposing, ask.
I prefer Anette's belting to Tarja's wailing. It doesn't mean that my taste is superior. I dont call people idiots for liking Tarja more.
YulieAna 2 years ago
I've asked you twice.
Tarja doesn't wail. As a matter of fact Tarja improved her singing, she is way better than with NW's last tour. When relations got worse, it could be heard in her performances which were really disappointing. At least for me.
I never said that Anette can't sing nor have given her a bad name I just don't fancy the color of her voice nor her highest notes that much.
"It doesn't mean that my taste is superior. "
No it doesn't, it only means that it is yours.
xoooxGxooox 2 years ago
When you ask me directly, you need to reply to me directly or at least type my name in your post. When you post a fresh comment i have no idea of knowing it is directed at me.
I have no problem replying to that question. I own every single album by NW. And Wishmaster is my favorite, followed by Oceanborn and Century Child. DPP is my 4th favorite. So i definitely like NW with Tarja as much as i like them with Anette. And I surely appreciate their operatic style with Tarja [cont]
YulieAna 2 years ago
Actually I did reply to you twice, it seems to be problem with YT service in arranging comments and replies. Anette is also not so good live, but rarely there is a singer who is really good live. Too much technology nowadays. I was at Tarja's concert and I couldn't believe how good she was that night, she def. is much happier and it is felt in her performances. I liked MWS, because of the emotion, and though some of the songs aren't truly metal I loved them very very much, and not because [..]
xoooxGxooox 2 years ago
[..] I "worship her blindly", it's because I loved the music, lyrics followed by her voice. I think her time is yet to come as a songwriter cause she is talented, only now she just started to explore it deeper. And while speaking of creativity I can't wait to hear about Anette's contribution on the next album... if Tuomas lets her off course.
xoooxGxooox 2 years ago
So far Anette contributed as much to the creative process as Tarja did. And since Tuomas has the monopoly on NW, i have little faith that she will actually be allowed to write anything. But given the way she reinterpreted the old songs, i'm giving her 2 thumbs for up for vocal creativity and not trying to sound like Tarja.
And as far as Tarja's song writing goes, i think she has a long way to go before she can produce the same quality material as NW does.
YulieAna 2 years ago
I think that she actually shouldn't try to achieve sound as equal as NW. Quality of NW songs has fallen since "Once". I've expected more from DPP, not vocally, I'm talking bout songs. And actually you mustn't forget the fact that Tarja did contribute to creativity at first, cause Tuomas wanted totally different sound, and after hearing her voice and technique he adjusted the songs, so Tarja also had her share in giving certain "mark" to the band, she was a founding member too [....]
xoooxGxooox 2 years ago
[...] When it comes to Anette, I don't see the way she sings as an contribution, because she sings the only way she knows, she's just being herself. I think that she actually was good choice, and now I understand why she was chosen, cause I've heard many girls on YT covering old NW songs, and they are all Tarja wannabes. And considering the main fact that things really ended the ugliest possible way, I'm sure that Tuomas wanted to escape from Tarja's clones as far as possible [...]
xoooxGxooox 2 years ago
[...] And Anette is at very hard task, this is an exhausting tour, most of the videos uploaded can't "give" the true sound, because most cameras actually can't do that. So I prefer the opinion of the people who actually attended gigs. And since Anette got herself as well her own personal manager, and said how she understood Tarja better, people should try to even think deeper into the whole matter. That's why I think all these VS videos should be banned.
Regards for you...
xoooxGxooox 2 years ago
I am pretty sure that Tuomas can be an eccentric and a control freak. He doesn't allow anyone to write the lyrics and he is pretty choosy about music. So I understand Tarja's point of view as well. However, I've seen her MWS interview and she said something that i though was strange. She said that she wouldn't consider MWS her "solo" album, but just another album by Tarja Turunen. So that made me think of whether i just did not understand her or she decided that she made NW.
YulieAna 2 years ago
I think she meant that MWS isn't her work alone entirely. She keeps mentioning how big the contribution of her accompanying band is, so maybe that's what she meant...
But if she did mean it as you say, it'd be a huge turn off in my opinion.
00Rotem00 2 years ago
Well, it's her solo album, isn't it? And i don't see why she shouldn't refer to MWS as her solo album. I don't think she would be claiming all the credit for her self since the songs not written by her will be already credited to the right people on the CD booklet.
As far as i know she only wrote Oasis, right?
But to claim that the albums of NW are her work too is too much. Unless of course she did not word it right, but only she knows.
YulieAna 2 years ago
She is probably a nice person. I've seen lots of videos with her being very humble with fans. But i have a feeling she got ahead of herself when she was with N W. Did you notice she brings up her classical education a lot, even when nobody is talking about it.
YulieAna 2 years ago 2
Hmmmmm... I dunno. I agree that she probably wasn't being the best person in the world when she was in NW, maybe she let the success go to far up her head, but I think the break with NW really humbled her & returned her to her roots, you what I mean?
I don't mind her complimenting herself on her musical education, as I think confidence is important for every artist. Anette keeps on giving herself praises about her voice, & no one minds. Not even I :P
00Rotem00 2 years ago
I agree, she seems like less of a diva right now. She looks a lot happier and more involved with the fans, instead of the emotionless doll she appeared to be with NW. Perhaps because she never thought that she was truly a part of NW. But now this is her baby.
I know Anette gives her voice praises too, but when it comes to Tarja i always thought it sounded more like bragging. I don't know, maybe i am wrong.
YulieAna 2 years ago
lol, I was feeling the same about Anette :P But that's not even something I care too much about. I think some singers have earned the right to brag about their voices. With Tarja, it's not even the technique or anything like that, but the color of her voice that is unique. I don't think I've ever heard anyone with a voice like that, so if she wants to brag about it, be my guest... If Anette wants to brag about being chosen out of 2,000 other girls, I guess she has the right to do it too.
00Rotem00 2 years ago
I agree that Tarja's deep and soulful voice is distinguishable. But i've also heard someone similar like the singer of Operatika and the ex singers of Visions of Atlantis. Seems like everyone wants to copy her.
YulieAna 2 years ago 2
Hmmmmm... I've never heard the singer Operatika (I'll check her out), but now that you mention it, I can see some similarities with the last singer of VoA. Pretty amusing :P
00Rotem00 2 years ago
"I don't see the way she sings as an contribution, because she sings the only way she knows"
Well, most singers sing in a way that they know, including Tarja.
But I agree with you on the rest. Tuomas made a good choice of not hiring Tarja's "clone", or another classical singer. While there are many classical singers that are better than Tarja, people will still not see them as anything other than Tarja's clones.
YulieAna 2 years ago
No, you misunderstood me. I don't think she should try to sound like NW or people will never be able to separate her from NW. She should try to improve her song writing and instead of making it a vocal extravaganza, add some musical originality. And she really should stop covering other people's songs. Many of her fans criticize Anette on "covering" her songs, she she isn't that great at covering Poison.
YulieAna 2 years ago
Tarja still does wail live, but she seems to be having more fun and to actually care about her performances. She still doesn't sound as good live as she does on the albums and i think she will be a lot better if she let go of the classical and learned how to belt properly. I don't like her solo album not because of her but because of the music. The song "In the Picture" though is awesome and if she made that kind of music I would definitely listen to it. [end]
YulieAna 2 years ago
And i never referred to you personally badmouthing Anette. But there are still plenty of people who claim that she can't sing, who call her names and proclaim Tarja the goddess of metal, when she stopped being metal after she left NW.
YulieAna 2 years ago
And you still don't understand why people call you a facist, yet you're still willing to call me a fanboy and you know absolutely nothing about me.
Simply amazing.
shred5 2 years ago
People dont call me a fascist, you do. You dont know me either. I barely commented on what you said, never about your personal taste. And instead of having a civil discussion, you got all butt hurt and offended. You never even understood why i mentioned the other albums.
Only fanboys think that the lead singer makes the band (unless of course they're someone like Freddy Mercury). Tarja couldnt have made the band because she was the least creative member . She was just a singer and a figure head
YulieAna 2 years ago
Wrong on all accounts.
I understood why you mentioned the other albums, because you got all offended and tried find something in desperation to support your argument when you already knew I don't agree, because if I did I would have said they sound like a different band come post Once than before -- I didn't, and that's only half true.
Only deaf people don't notice a chance in the singer, especially one that is completely different. Not to mention they write songs differently for Anette...
shred5 2 years ago
Your psychoanalysis is as lame as your argument. I mentioned the albums from the very beginning and what i was saying was absolutely factual which can be easily confirmed by Tuomas and if you actually listened to the music, instead of being fixated on Tarja's voice, you would have gotten my point.
I can obviously hear the difference between Anette and Tarja, but i was talking about the singing style. And they haven't written anything for Anette. Everything was already finished when she joined.
YulieAna 2 years ago
Wrong again. My argument is not lame, but your fascist attitude sure is.
Telling me to listen to the music - I have probably studied music for more years than you have been alive, and quite honestly, that's another laughable comment.
And if you believe everything was already finished when Anette joined... well, she did sing on the album, did she not? Of course, I have no doubts that you are willing to argue that too...
shred5 2 years ago
Facts (this is all over youtube):
Tuomas said in an interview after Wishmaster that they will be moving from opera to a more cinematic sound.
They rerecorded Sleeping Sun to have a mainstream appeal to match the new vocal direction.
They hired Anette to match the vocal direction they took in Century Child.
Before a San Fran gig Tuomas and Marco said in an interview that DPP was written and recorded before Anette joined the band.
Pick your fights, junior, and wipe the venom off your face.
YulieAna 2 years ago
And the fact that you are calling me a Nazi because i'm giving you facts that you do not like makes you a pretty vicious assholes. But then again, a lot of Tarja's fantards are like that. Typical and pathetic.
YulieAna 2 years ago
Wrong again.
You've failed to give a single fact, only attack me for my personal opinion. That's why I call you a fascist.
shred5 2 years ago
Asserting that I'm wrong is different that proving me wrong. So far, you haven't proven anything or delivered a good argument.
You only pretend to be a victim and continuing responding to someone who you claim is superficial and offensive. You are just a tool.
And since you can't tell the difference between Sleeping Sun of 99 and 05, I wouldn't be mentioning any music education.
YulieAna 2 years ago
I didn't have to prove you wrong. You did that yourself by mistaking opinions for facts.
"And since you can't tell the difference between Sleeping Sun of 99 and 05, I wouldn't be mentioning any music education."
Yet another incorrect statement based yet another false assumption, which seems to be the best you can do.
Absolutely pathetic.
shred5 2 years ago
I repeated what Tuomas and Marco said, so in your view they are also incorrect about their own music. This is really getting embarassing. You should stop.
YulieAna 2 years ago
Find me a source. You've proven anything but reliable.
Plus considering they had what, 2 years downtime... I highly doubt that would be true even if they did say it, it just doesn't make sense on any level.
shred5 2 years ago
watch?v=8HO4STFDhvg
It took them a while to find a singer, about 14 months. Tarja left in 2005, Anette joined in 2007. So there you go.
YulieAna 2 years ago
Yes, but my point also holds true too... if you need it in Tuomas's words, she "did change the interpretation of the vocal lines".
Plus, you don't think they didn't play it safe writing the songs in the first place -- as they said, they didn't know who would sing it, what their range would be etc....
shred5 2 years ago
I know Anette changed the interpretation of the old songs. Obviously Tarja's Ghost Love Score sounds different from Anette's.
The only thing they knew is that it won't be a classical singer so i guess that was their only aim.
YulieAna 2 years ago
And that's why they sound like a cover band playing their older material... plus they're much more "American" than European now. Rhythmically/tonally, sure that started with Once, but musically it happened on Dark Passion Play...
shred5 2 years ago 2
"And that's why they sound like a cover band playing their older material."
So it's all about the voice to you? Not music?
"plus they're much more "American" than European now"
How many American bands can you name that make 14 minute symphonic epics?
YulieAna 2 years ago
There's actually plenty out there these days....
shred5 2 years ago
Care to name some? "Plenty" is a convenient cop out.
YulieAna 2 years ago
To all my "fans":
Everyone has a life, people just live it differently. And spending so much time discussing me, putting certain words in quotes without any reason, and trying to psychoanalyze me because you are threatened by something i said doesn't speak very well of your existence.
If you took your time to understand what i was saying, instead of getting all butt hurt and personal, maybe there would be no reason to be all "high"?
But please, go ahead, you are such experts on "life".
YulieAna 2 years ago 2
Not all Tarja fans are fanatic, why can't you just accept the fact that people like Tarja without need to compare her to real opera singers?
xoooxGxooox 2 years ago
I like this video and the title..to me it says that there are Tarja fans (I know there are lots of them) who follow her as a solo artist without wishing her back on nw..
Zeliziouz 2 years ago
I bet there are. Lots of my online friends who are Nightwish fans also love Tarja's solo career, but are more than fine with the band going on without her.
1AzureSky 2 years ago
Nightwish without Tarja isn't Nightwish...
The song is called TOGETHER WE WILL LIVE FOREVER of the "THE FOUNTAIN" movie.
ericimbimbo 3 years ago
exactly...In my humble opinion they should have changed the name of the band too...
BroEfie 2 years ago
I agree.
Tarja made that band. Without Tarja, I'm not sure why they're still called Nightwish.
shred5 2 years ago
"Tarja made that band"
The people who write music make the band. What did Tarja ever write for NW?
"I'm not sure why they're still called Nightwish."
Because the important people are still in it. The golden rule of fantard is to attach themselves to a superficial member and to pretend they make the band because they are the focal point.
YulieAna 2 years ago
I'm sorry but without Tarja, they aren't the same band anymore. Even if they have the same people who write the music...
shred5 2 years ago
They haven't been the "same" band between Angels Fall First and Once. They went through constant changes, yet you still pretend that Anette is the only dramatic change they ever went through. Oceanborn and Once don't sound the same, even with the same singer.
YulieAna 2 years ago
I never said they always sounded the same, or anything about Angels Fall First, Once, or Oceanborn at all for that matter.
shred5 2 years ago
You said they are not the same band. They haven't been the "same" band since the beginning. They constantly went through changes. Now that a superficial line up is gone you are complaining?
YulieAna 2 years ago
Now you are taking things I said completely out of context.
shred5 2 years ago
No, I'm not saying anything out of the context. You claimed that they aren't the "same" band without Tarja and I said that they've been consistently changing WITH Tarja. So really haven't been the same band from the first to the last album with Tarja, yet you pretend that Anette was the only drastic change they went through.
YulieAna 2 years ago
First, you ARE taking things out of context.
Second, your argument that the bands ben consistently changing with or without Tarja further supports my initial point.
Third, I never said anything else about specific albums or other changes that happened to the band. Stop saying that I did.
shred5 2 years ago
You said that they aren't the same without Tarja and I said that they've been consistently changing with Tarja so they cannot be different without her when they continually changed their style WITH her.
I mentioned other albums because they haven't been consistently the same from the beginning which makes your point moot. And i never said anything about you mentioning their albums. You don't even understand wtf you are talking about.
YulieAna 2 years ago
"They went through constant changes, yet you still pretend that Anette is the only dramatic change they ever went through. "
Once again if you learn to read inbetween the lines, this has nothing to do with differences in the albums with Tarja or Anette or the topic onhand. I never said anything about differences between albums with Tarja, so stop changing the topic.
Whatever, there's the old saying about how arguing with retards on the internet is like the special olympics....
shred5 2 years ago
"this has nothing to do with differences in the albums with Tarja or Anette or the topic onhand"
Actually it does, because in Century Child and Once they went into the vocal direction in which they are in DPP.
"I never said anything about differences between albums with Tarja, so stop changing the topic."
I wonder if you are naturally dense or you're pretending to do.
YulieAna 2 years ago
*pretending to be
YulieAna 2 years ago
"Whatever, there's the old saying about how arguing with retards on the internet is like the special olympics...."
So misquoting an overused phrase, popular among the retards on the internet, is the only cop out you can come up with?
YulieAna 2 years ago
You keep trying to change the subject at hand, and are still trying to argue it's somehow relevant. It's not.
You can honestly tell me that Nightwish with Anette singing some of the older material sounds like the same band? Then you are deaf or just stupid, I really don't know which.
shred5 2 years ago
I am not trying to change the subject, you just don't have very good reading comprehension.
Yes, they still sound like the same band with Anette and you know why? Because it's the same musicians playing the same songs in the same genre. The only thing that's different it's the voice.
What exactly makes me tone deaf? Is it because I don't shit all over a perfectly good singer while proclaiming a mediocre classical one to be the guru of metal music?
YulieAna 2 years ago
The problem is not that I don't have "very good reading comprehension." The problem is the bullshit that you're trying to pass over.
shred5 2 years ago
"The problem is the bullshit that you're trying to pass over. "
And that would be.....?
YulieAna 2 years ago
Read previous posts. I've stated this many times and I'm not going to spend anymore time trying to explain this to someone who can't read.
shred5 2 years ago
I've read my posts and i don't see any bullshit. You're just a brain dead fan who can't disengage their ego from Tarja. A vocal change does not equal to a change in the music genre or a band's style. Yet you morons still decided that NW was Tarja's solo project and/or stage name. Who the fuck cares about song writing... (sarcasm)
YulieAna 2 years ago
Yup. Keep calling people you don't agree with brain dead because you're deaf.
shred5 2 years ago
Yeah, middle school comebacks do not come in short supply among you Tarja cultists. Go away.
YulieAna 2 years ago
Way to respond to a "middle school comeback" with a "middle school comeback"... yeah, you aren't a hypocrite or anything...
shred5 2 years ago
*yawn* Run along kid, and look up the definition of a "hypocrite" while your are at it. Arguing with you is as challenging as wrestling with an infant. This "conversation" is over.
YulieAna 2 years ago
What conversation? I reply, you don't read it and reply with some other random garbage.
shred5 2 years ago
The problem with YulieAna is that "she" never puts anything personal in "her" posts. Speaking to "her" is like catching a very slippery fish in water with bare hands - almost impossible. Just suggestion - don't waste your human potential with such people.
HeRMit355 2 years ago
Why? She brings up some good points against butthurt fans. They should not get their titties twisted over a change in vocals.
1AzureSky 2 years ago 2
Actually she made no points at all. It would have helped if she had listened to any of the music in discussion as well...
shred5 2 years ago
In comments on other videos, she makes fair criticisms pertaining to Tarja's voice. Any proof she hasn;t listened to the music in question?
1AzureSky 2 years ago
Is this a fair critisism or just you thinking a person should be critisized for his/her performance by the people who don't understand it?
HeRMit355 2 years ago
Off course it's not fair criticism, she just manipulates superficially with these "critical thinking" terms proving how miserable "her existence" here on youtube really is, cause she feels so "high" when she's writing smt. that would make her "smarter" than others. Probably because in real life she has no actual credits for whatever she does. Actually If she had a successful life or life at all, she wouldn't waste a half of it bashing on Tarja here on YT.
xoooxGxooox 2 years ago
Pretty well said :-)
HeRMit355 2 years ago
Actually I was admiring the way you said it :-)
xoooxGxooox 2 years ago
I think Yulie understands Tarja's performance perfectly. Tarja is flawed, like any singer. She's great as a metal singer, but not so much as a classical singer.
1AzureSky 2 years ago
You're pretty much right, but she does have a very strong voice and vibratos, and Anette can't match that. And I do believe she's never done any classical training either...
shred5 2 years ago
Her vibrato could use a lot more control. Having no classical training does not mean shit when it comes to whether a vocalist is good or not. Devin Townsend is a brilliant vocalist but he's never had vocal lessons of any sort.
1AzureSky 2 years ago
Tarja's power is only in her classical technique. Her belting is pretty weak, while Anette excels in that.
YulieAna 2 years ago
That's one thing I thought she did very good actually... vibrato. Sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I don't -- and now that I think about it, being it sometimes works so well and sometimes doesn't work as good, you're probably 100% right about that.
I never said having no classical training makes her a bad vocalist, I was just pointing that out. I always thought she was very good personally.
shred5 2 years ago
She used too much vibrato.
I enjoy Tarja's vocals though.
1AzureSky 2 years ago
1AzureSky, I disagree on that point. Changing the vocals is not like changing a tire, it's a different person with different motive for singing, with different message to you. Some people feel close to this message, some not; some people feel relevant to the deepness of the message, some think it should be more/less deep and that makes them fans of a particular singer; but is always human being at the begining.
HeRMit355 2 years ago
Why would I need to put anything personal in my comments when I discuss factual bits of NW's history?
YulieAna 2 years ago
I loved times when Tarja was with Nightwish. :(
DrummerOFdark 3 years ago 8
really what is the song it sounds so sad? I miss Tarja in nightwish but she is great on her own as well.
42lacey 3 years ago 5
whats the song called
siropheliac 3 years ago