Re: Re: Declaration of self-ownership CHALLENGE

[Amiduffer]

Anarchists have never done anything for humanity except to overthrow governments for financial parasites.

[sorienor]

Without the ability to enforce contracts, by force if required, there is no way a society (free market) can function. The state acts as the impartial 3rd party with the power to reprimand violations of contracts. Thus the state is an integral and required component of society, but not equivalent to it.

[XOmniverse]

Why can't arbitration between various groups accomplish this without a state?

[sorienor]

Because people lie, steal and are greedy. There must be some sort of forcible repercussions to failing to honor a contract. Maybe someday when we have evolved we can live in a state-less society, but for now we are far to primitive to rely on the goodness of others.

[GaleryonTheMystic]

"Because people lie, steal and are greedy." And therefore any government composed of people will also necessarily lie, steal, and exploit. "There must be some sort of forcible repercussions to failing to honor a contract." And what institution will come to our rescue when the state does not honor the "Social Contract" it has itself, without our signatures, declared to be legitimate?

[GaleryonTheMystic]

Proudhon described anarchism as the "absorption of government by the economic organism." As kbiomech has pointed out, it is not so much a prediction as it is an inevitable product of anarchism that market solutions would develop to satisfy what was formerly the state's responsibility of civil defense.

[GaleryonTheMystic]

Defense could be a very profitable insurable enterprise. I suggest you read "The Private Production of Defense" by Hans-Hermann Hoppe. It specifically addresses Hobbe's arguments and explains civil defense in a free market anarchy. If you want a link to the online publication just ask.

[GaleryonTheMystic]

Defense could be a very profitable insurable enterprise. I suggest you read "The Private Production of Defense" by Hans-Hermann Hoppe. It specifically addresses Hobbe's arguments and explains civil defense in a free market anarchy. If you want a link to the online publication just ask.

[Kbiomech]

In the absence of the state, other organizations WILL come to exist. This isn't theory. Check out Ireland, prior to the British conquest, and Pennsylvania prior to the United States. There are other examples, but those two I'm quite familiar with. The state does not enforce in any way that makes sense, save to those who have a will to power.