3:11 "It wasn't a struggle until I learned from other people, and was shamed into thinking it was a problem." That truly all that needs to be heard, he was shamed about who he truly is because of OTHER people telling him he's wrong. Just sad.
I feel bad for these people. Gay isn't who you are it's what you are. I'm gay, and this is crazy to me. You are lying to yourself. "Journey into manhood"? I'm more man than these cowards are because i know who i am.
SO IF THEY CAN CHANGE THERRE ORIENTATION, THEN I CAN CHANGE THAT IM BLACK. IF I PRAY THE BLACK AWAY, I CAN BE ACCEPTED BY THOSE WHO ARE RACIST. IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY. BEIN GAY IS WHO THEY ARE, A LIL PART OF THEM BUT ITS STILL WHO THEY ARE. JUS LIKE ME BEIN BLACK, IM BLACK CANT CHANGE THAT. IF YOU CAN SO CALL TURN GAY TO STRAIGHT, YOU'RE JUS PRETENDIN CUS YOU WANNA BE WHAT PEOPLE WANT YOU TO BE, YOU DONT WANNA BE YOSELF, YOU GOTTA ACCEPT IT AND BE HAPPY NOT HIDE AND BE MISERABLE.
BEIN GAY IS NOT WRONG, BEIN A HOMOPHOE IS WRONG. YOU CANT TURN SOMEONE GAY YOU CANT TURN SOMEONE STRAIGHT, YOU CANT TURN SOMEONES SEXUAL ORIENTATION. EX-GAY IS PRETENDIN TO BE STRAIGHT. "MANHOOD" WHETHER A GUY IS FEMININE OR MASCULINE HES STILL A MAN. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RETARDED LMFAO
I don't understand why people say that "thats how you are". Until it is proven that Homosexuality is Genetic they can't say "thats how you are". Genetic studies thus far show that Homosexuality is not Genetic. So why couldn't it be psychological?
I feel so sorry for these guys. They don't deserve to feel unwanted and worthless for being who they are. But if these guys legitimately feel happy about it, I'm not one to judge.
Preston is married. Preston is bisexual, as he can perform sexually with both sexes. He can choose to live a straight or a gay life. Real gay people, who are not bisexual, cannot choose one way or the other. You could put a gay man in a jungle of amazon women and that man's weenie just ain't responding. A real gay person will tell you that.
LMFAO I love how Preston is from UT & how the 2 guys that founded the program look like they're together. But it's sad that they feel they can't be who they really are & still become the men they want to be. Then there's the fact that he said he still has a sexual attraction for men & now it's more emotional than sexual. Does he not realize that sexuality isn't just sex?
I hate when people say that gay people can't turn straight. I have nothing about religion, but thats like saying that Killers can't become non killers and start a new likw Adolf Hitler (whom is dead) can't become a better person. You can change if yoou're willing to change y ou can't be oh I like both genders. That makes no sense.
@Pakanora Don't compare murderers to gays, they're totally unrelated. Murderers are not born to kill. Gays are not harming anyone with their sexual identity. Maybe a lot of gays don't want to change, because they don't need to. Society suppresses homosexuals simply because they're different, claiming that they made a choice to be ridiculed and betrayed by the people around them. Most of them aren't victims to the hate and ignorance, they learn to be strong.
@sorakairi1993 I agree with you on the non comparison. But I guess it sickens me when ppl who are straight talk about them like they're crazy, When the normal ppl are crazier than the crazies. To be honest I believe that gays can become straight and vice versa. People say it's not possible because if gays have intercourse, but still want to change their life, they may bring HIV or AIDS into the world. It's kind of annoying, coming from a straight person like myself that is. Sorry for that.
@sorakairi1993 I agree with you on the non comparison. But I guess it sickens me when ppl who are straight talk about them like they're crazy, When the normal ppl are crazier than the crazies. To be honest I believe that gays can become straight and vice versa. People say it's not possible because if gays have intercourse, but still want to change their life, they may bring HIV or AIDS into the world. It's kind of annoying, coming from a straight person like myself that is. Sorry for that.
This therapy is completely twisted- facing your fears, getting in touch with your own truth and your inner child will teach self-loathing gay men to come out and be proud of being gay
No-one should have the right to tell someone that their sexual orientation is wrong or unacceptable. Even worse, though, is trying to tell someone that they shouldn't be allowed to choose (of their own volition) to try to change their orientation if they don't feel that that's part of their identity.
What a load of idiocy this video and these comments are. It is absolutely inpossible for an individual to change their sexuality and nor should anyone feel the need to change to please the many bigots commenting here. Homosexuality is as moral and correct as any sexuality is and only sheer ignorance makes people believe otherwise. I can't believe the level of primitive thinking there is in so many of these comments. Homosexuality is normal and ok, religious zealots who think otherwise can stfu
@Floopied What makes you think religious zealots are the only who are saying this? There are atheists that also believe that your orientation can change and homosexuality is not normal. There is an atheist on YOUTUBE that believes this. Also, what you may deem as possible means nothing to the men and women who actually believe in this. They are not saying Homosexuality is wrong anyway. They are saying homosexuality is wrong for them. People just throw out this word bigot for no reason.
@StylistecS I said religious zealots because that is the most prominent group of people on here commenting. If you think orientation can change why are people so dubious and disbelieving in the changing of sexuality? Surely if it can be changed, anyone can choose who they want to be attracted to.... but in reality both me and you know this is not true. What do you mean 'it is wrong for them?'.. well obviously seeming as their not gay. Dunno what you were trying to say there.
@Floopied sorry but my reality is different than your reality. I believe than change is possible but only through God. Obviously I don't know if they are gay or not. Neither do you. If they are, and they are unhappy about it, and seek change if they believe its attainable and goes against their core values and dreams, respect their decision to seek answers and let them do what they feel is right for them.
@StylistecS Sorry to say but I really believe that anyone who says they've changed their orientation is an individual worthy of pity. I believe they live a life of denial and who have come to this conclusion through the sheer weight of judgement and ridicule place on them by religion and generally moronic bigots. Not only do i believe it is a lie but I think it is unhealthy for them to put themselves through this. Repressing desires will do nothing more than damage them further.
@Floopied well what you believe of them on what judgements you place on them is irrelevant. They are not on this Earth to please you, me, or anyone else. The fact is they do not feel its right for them and they believe they can find a way out of it. Get over it. It's their life, worry about yours.
@StylistecS But the problem i have isnt that they believe they can change, it is the reason why they WANT to change. Religion and society's views have pushed these vulnerable, impressionable people into thinking that there is something wrong with them. The only thing rehab and place like this do is reaffirm this belief that homosexuality is wrong and that they need help to rid them off this. Not only this but this rahabilatation never works! It represses people's desires causing only mre damage.
@Floopied So what if some people that are grounded in religion uses that view to change. If they do not feel pressure by religion, let them be. If they feel motivated to change because of their religious belief only, what's wrong with that. Let me ask you, do you seek change for anything in your life no matter how small it is? Why do you seek that change and who are you changing for. Or do you believe your life will never come to a point that you will never seek change which I highly doubt.
Homosexuals need to be fixed, but that fat gay to straight program leader, who claims he is now straight, sounds very gay.Programs like this are limp wristed and rarely work.What should be done instead is have put into these men a mega dose of hellfire and brimstone.A balls to bones fear of the Lord,does wonders for righting behavior,and purifying the soul.
@GrandInquisitor7 = Fred Phelps Zombie / Child Abuse Enabler. They go NO sicker than this SOB. Also, this sick bitch wants all Gays and woman who have had abortions EXECUTED. Report this account as HATE and it WILL be deleted.
@speedx50 quit trying to play games. If people don't feel this is right for them and they believe they can fix it. Well fix it. To these people, it is broke.
@StylistecS youre really not "fixing" anything, really, all youre doing is dimming down those desires, watch the video towards the end and you'll see that preston admits that he's still,occasionally, attracted to men, so that means those feelings he had haven't been "fixed" they're just suppresed by shame
@speedx50 there are a great many of testimonies out there where people that use to be homosexuals that are now heterosexual and they have no, nada, zip desires of those thoughts anymore. It's a process for Preston. He understands those attractions and layer on, he won't feel those attractions any longer.
@StylistecS and there are a great many of testimonies out there that say 100% the opposite. So how can you be so sure that it works for everyone? why does this therapy work for this guy but not that guy? preston spent 3 years trying to "change" himself. 3 YEARS!!! and some people spend 5 10, 20 years of their life and it ends up not working for them, how do you explain that?
@speedx50 I never said that this works for everyone and that was never my argument. We are all different people led by different things that want different things. Like the guy said earlier,FOR SOME PEOPLE, gay is never going to work. That has been their stand all along. What works for one will not work for the other. We all have different preferences and different lives. Preston believes he changed. That is the only thing relevant.
"Journey into Manhood??" these people think the only way to being a man is likeing pussy. Trust me!!! just because youre a straight guy doesn't make you man at all. theres alot more to it. im happy for preston and the fact that he's about to be a father but I smell a rat
The telling point of the whole article is 1:46 -1:53 in. "For some people 'gay' is never gonna' work cause that kind of life, that way of living is just not gonna' gel with their value system.' The whole point of their belief system is based upon an antiquated and obsolete bronze age myth that goat-herders made up to cover their own asses. While a person is who they are, they cannot change their sexual attraction, these deluded people think that being homosexual is a choice based upon sin. Wrong
To all non straight guys that believe same sex attraction is just plain WRONG, I salute you for thinking outside the box, your revolting against nature, your not being compelled by your genes and hormones. You are free to choose your ACTIONS and to want to tame your feelings and desires. Self restraint is what differentiate humans from animals. Born this way? schizophrenics are born that way too! having and not having genes should not dictate who you want to be.You made your choice guys Weldone
Most of the antagonistic comments are by haters . Who are you to tell someone else that being male and being attracted to men are NOT mutually exclusive. If they want to believe that there is something wrong about being gay and that it is effeminate, who are you to tell them what to think. I salute them for having the guts to say the truth! They are REAL men already. If they are happy with results that they see after going to that retreat, who are you dismiss that and deny that.
People who waste their money on 'turning straight' are wasting their money, the reason they want to change in the first place is because the place they live doesn't deem it as 'acceptable' well fuck that, live the way you were born whether you were born straight or born gay don't let any cunt tell you different.
lmao first of all the activities mad gay lol... second you can't change gay and people should just accept themselves. Also a life coach is basically a scam...overall though a funny video
A JOURNEY INTO MANHOOD? Gay males are men, ... a Man goes into manhood when he becomes an adult! We have everything a "Striaght" Male has. We are just smarter.
I would call this a joke if it wasn't so completely infuriating!! What is the deal with these pseudo-psychologists who are profiting off of people's insecurities? It's no wonder that people can't accept themselves as they are when we have jackasses running workshops like these, telling participants that they're "broken" but they have just the plan to "fix" them! Maybe someone should send that bespectacled toad to fat camp and see what comes of THAT!!! Grrrr...
seems like a camp to make gay men...LOL... all of the taped words were words that defined gay men today. fathers, husbands, masculine, etc. They can try to change who they are, but it's obviously not working if they have to continue to attend these "camps". And $600 seems kind of cheap don't you think.. all i seen was a ton of hugging, 12 men in a cabin, one on top the other on bottom... 72 hours, who would of known...LMFAO ! fools!
I Believe This Was A Video Clip Of ABC News' Nightline's Report On 'Journey Into Manhood' Program To Turn Gay Men Straight On Monday Night, November 8, 2010.
i don't think these programs change your sexual orientation. I do however think they may provide some childhood post traumatic healing. I don't believe that a man or even a group of men can change ones sexual orientation (which i believe is inborn)...but if these kinds of programs make them happy...to each their own.
Any program(accredited or not), in United States or anywhere else for that matter, have clients that end up no-so-good in the end. Some of their clients are better.
I believe the Lord can help a person change from homo to hetero, using many of the concepts mentioned in journey to manhood and peoplecanchange website, etc. God made our spirits and bodies, and I put my trust in Him that He knows how to make me whole, since that is what the gospel is about: becoming perfect, or whole. I have begun to feel the whisperings of sexual attractions for women, which I believe came about through complying with certain things.
Rhetoric is all around and is prevalent in both conservative and liberal settings. What I noticed rather telling is how the two, now openly gay, men perceived the therapy they experienced / witnessed. Perception isn't always an effective witnessing tool. We all make judgments based on our perceptions but does that mean our perceptions are always right? I suppose these two men based their critique of the therapy based on individualized subjective perceptions, but not universal experience.
wow, why are people so terrified of being gay? you don't have to have the lifestyle of going to gay bars and clubs and hopping beds every night to be openly gay...
@leptismagna10 YOU are not married to GAY MAN. I am a Woman married to a Gay Man for 15 years. Do you know what I am going through because of his gay lifestyle. He spends his money on GAY activities does not want to pay bills. Now walked out leaving me and my seven year old daughter. You still say GAYS should not be ridiculed. See the recent storm for CA. What dod you think it is? When SINS exceed the limits GOD punishes.
@raatkali1996 lady, what do you think he's going through? if he was secure with his sexuality he wouldn't have married you in the first place and would have been living with his beloved partner doing something useful with his money rather than using it to cheat.
all because of that trash thing you call a bible which you fundamentally follow.
people who think they're following god deserve any misery they get.
@leptismagna10 It is not GOD who is making me go through this. It is a human who does not know his identity and is lost in SIN. If you believe in GOD, then you cannot commit such ACT. You will find PEACE and you will know who you are. GAY MEN STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! going out with and don't VICTIMISE them. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE GAY. But I have a RIGHT TO BE A WOMAN and not to be BETRAYED by MEN who think they can FOOL around.
@raatkali1996 Your problem lies with your husband, not homosexuality. Maybe you should get off the internet and do something about your situation instead of feeling sorry for yourself and blaming everyone else! x
SIN has always existed in this WORLD. But people used to commit SIN in hiding and feel GUILTY about it and ask GOD TO FORGIVE. But this Country is all about FREE SEX. So there is no SHAME OR GUILT anymore. On the other hand they want rights to get Married, breaking the LAW of Marriage. MARRIAGE is SACRED. GOD, FAITH and SIN cannot be in the SAME BODY AND MIND.PEACE
@raatkali1996 I agree that the meaning of marriage has been degraded in our society. People don't value it as much as they used too, however that is a separate issue from being gay. I know married gay couples who are perfectly monogamous and happy together. Its about love, not following a set of rules. You victimise gay people. Why not murderers, liars, peadophiles, and thieves? Surely they are more worthy of your preaching? Why does homosexuality receive more specific hate than all those sins?
@wimjimjams NO, I do not agree with that I go to a Christian School now and I see people who have values, moral, culture, FAITH and FEAR of GOD in them. They consider MARRIAGE to be SACRED with pure SELFLESS LOVE. It all depends on where we are and who we meet. Again it is a matter of choice as to what we want to see, know and follow. I am not Christian, but birds of same feather flock together. I LOVE GOD just as they DO. That's where we MEET.
@Wimjimjams, Yes, So looks like he is always looking for sexual pleasures outside our MARRIAGE. Men/Women who cheat have low moral character and no values. Irrespective whether they cheat with a MAN or a WOMAN. For me Marriage is SACRED. GOD has made couple for a reason. HE is the one who will resolve my situation.
@raatkali1996 As i keep saying, he can be married to you for 15 years because he wants a family and the widely accepted, domestic lifestyle that so many people crave. Society has made being gay a shameful and limiting existance. What are you trying to say? It is about choice, i choose to act on my feelings. Your mixing together many different issues that i don't care to comment on. Im refering to ex-gay therapy, not adultery. Although it seems gay or straight your husband should not be married.
@Wimjimjams, So you think at one point my husband was not GAYor did not want to be GAY. That means its all about choices. So If I think that he is not attracted to me any more, it's been 15 years. At any point in my marriage I did not feel that he did not LOVE me. After I had my baby, I saw that he moved away more from me. Well if he was not GAY then he would have cheated with a WOMAN, which he did that too. Recently he is been going out with a WOMAN. So looks like he is always looking continued
Wimjimjams, I am not looking for sympathy from YOU. Obviously you are GAY. My question to you is, if a person is born GAY, then how can you be married to a WOMAN for 15 years and I am sure he was cheating throughout my marriage, which I did not know about. Now I have a six year old daughter. If I separate out from him, then she loses her home, where she could get both her MOM and DAD. What was her fault? It is all about responsibility and CHOICES. AGAIN it is overcoming temptations, all SINS.
wimjimjams, THAT is why I said if you believe in GOD AND YOU HAVE FAITH, I REPEAT YOU CANNOT BE GAY. FAITH and SIN cannot exist in the same body and mind. Yes having SEX with a female or male is a temptation. IF a person has SEX outside the MARRIAGE, then it is Adultery and Sin. Yes it is a matter of CHOICE. I am married for 15 years. I came to know my husband is Gay, three years ago. Now tell me was he hiding his identity, I always felt he had true love for me. Now we are both stuggling.
@raatkali1996 I sympathise with your situation. I understand at some point your husband decided he wanted a heterosexual marriage. A large part of any marriage is sexual attraction. If your husband is sexually attracted to you, he is not gay. If he has to pretend to be that is not healthy for either you or him. Do you really want to be with someone who has to try and be attracted to you? I hope you both find happiness xx
IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD AND HAVE FAITH, THEN YOU CANNOT BE GAY. I am a straight woman, but I never had sex with any other man except my husband. It is a matter of Choice what you want to eat and who you want to sleep with. We all have temptations at every step. It is how we handle them and overcome them. Reflect upon this and think again.
@raatkali1996 Your a heterosexual, middle aged woman who has been married for the past 20 years. What makes you think you have the slightest idea what its like to be gay? Reflect upon that xx
haha this guy is still gay that they "treated" look at his action watch his voice hes still gay and i love that they failed because being gay is not an option ur born gay
i have a question. I am a 13 years old teenager. I have had dreams of kissing other boys. But I am also attracted to girls. I dont want to say I'm bisexual, because even if a homosexual boy was to come by me for a flirt, which has happened, I rejected him and I feel bad when i think about boys in a sexual manner, yet i am attracted to them in a way. Would that make me straight, bi curious, or gay?
@katiesdemon Your a curious teenager and that is perfectly normal. Your very young and your hormones are all over the place so don't be so quick to label yourself. Give it time, and follow your heart. When your a little older it will all fall into place x
There is also no scientific evidence that it doesn't work. But there have been people out there that state this was a positive and life changing experience for them. Also, I know you didn't respond to me. But a person should never try to change who they are? You should always be open for change. People change their outlook in life everyday. People don't change because they are comfortable. If you are comfortable, then continue on. If you're not comfortable, than change yourself for the better.
@StylistecS Oh wake up. 'deep emotional work', change is good depending on what it is and why. We have to look at the 'why'? Society is telling them to have something they will never get, and these boys want it so badly they are willing to be brainwashed for it. I want a larger penis because society tells me that i should have one, but what i need is someone to love me for what i've got! These guys needed their families support from a young age when it mattered then they wouldn't feel worthless!
I don't think Preston would attend 'Journey into Manhood' if he wasn't "shamed into thinking it was a problem" by other people. The root of Prestons problem lies with satisfying other people. This is a place for those who need to identify with stereotypes and lack the ability to identify with themselves. Never look to other people to validate who you are, you need to find that validation within yourself. It's sad these guys have preset notions of how they are supposed to be. xx
@wimjimjams, I think Preston did not attend 'Journey into Manhood' because he was ashamed of being GAY. No he LOVED his WIFE and he wanted a FAMILY. He wanted to be a MAN and take care of his LOVE, FAMILY AND RESPONSIBILITY. Either GAY or STRAIGHT if you are in a relationship then you respect that, love that, nurture that and take care of that. You cannot keep sleeping with zillion partners and say that I am GAY or BISEXUAL or HETEROSEXUAL. It doesn't matter.
@raatkali1996 He states it was shameful at 3:12 on this video. If he was not taught it was wrong and shameful, he would most likely be happily married to a man and this vid would not exist. He's making decisions on what he has learned from other people who don't know what they are talking about. When you are in a relationship you have to do what makes you and your partner happy. I personally believe in monogamy, but that has NOTHING to do with my being gay.
Preston your the bravest MAN ever saw Baruch HaShem!! Study the Torah be so busy doing mitzvoth that you won't have time to live according to the flesh!
Shame on those two who call themselves Jew, they are disgrace to Torah and they are koferim!!! I would not be surprised to learn that they deny Mashiach Yeshua! They don't have Ruach Ha Kodesh!!
OMG! This makes perfect sense! They are uncomfortable with same sex attraction because it isn't who they really are. They just discovered, here in the Florida Everglades, that the food source of a certain species of bird became poisoned with high levels of mercury and that turned the poor animals gay. These men could just be suffering from a kind of mercury poisoning. They can indeed change.
@MashiahBenYosef Balzac, that's their excuse for being gay, what's yours??? since you are So Prone to homosexual and Gay issues, or is it that your favorite position is PRONE!!!!
I tried to read every comment before adding my own but most of the comments are rather insulting and full of obscenities. I do not believe that every gay person's orientation can change unless it is caused by a traumatic experience such as childhood sexual molestation.
As you can tell from my screen name, I am Catholic. I am also a gay man. Now, to clarify who I am and how I live. My sexuality is a portion of who I am as a man. I have made a conscious decision to live celibately.
@CatholicWarrior777 In case you are unaware as to what celibacy is, it is the decision to not have sex. I did not make this decision lightly or for fear of being outed. Frankly, I don't care who accepts my sexual orientation or my decision to live a celibate life. I am happy. I love who I am. Why is it that people will tend to praise and glorify individuals who are brave enough to "come out of the closet" but if you are gay and choose to live differently, we are suspect? What is going on?
@CatholicWarrior777 They are seeking to glorify themselves when they glorify others like them. Anyone who opposes this self interest thought, stands in their way, even if they are otherwise like them and gay.
God loves us enough to let us make our own decisions. If you were chained to the right decisions you would be a slave, and could never truly love him. You seem to be an example of this. It takes love to conquer evil, and is what I do, for it is his will. Always seek truth and love.
@Aldeniszen Truthfully, I don't understand what you are say or what you stand for. I know that God created me in his image and likeness and he does not make mistakes. If I am gay, it is for a reason. Yes, he has given me the free choice to live the gay lifestyle, life celibately, or even marry a Godly woman who will be brave enough to work with me and create a family with me God will lead me in that direction. I choose to live for Christ and I choose to live celibately. Still don't get you.
G-d also created people with a genetic predisposition to obsiety in His image. This doesn't mean that they shouldn't strive to eat as healthily as they can.
I am heterosexual and married for 23 years. I've been associated with other organizations "men's issues" organizations not dealing with homosexuality. Why would a "straight" man choose to help in this kind of work? I see this as just another dysfunction for these men, like adultery. These brave men are swimming against the tide of our culture's promotion of the gay agenda. They have the right to self determination in how they live their sexual lives without condemnation by the gay status quo.
this is definity not sexual orientation change. if these men have 'unwanted sexual attraction to other male' that is not because of society's norms...that's because these men are biologically straight but have been put through situations in life that had taken away some of their needs (i.e. confidence in their own manhood) as men. to say that these men are gay is unfair to both themselves and to gay men.
I am glad this is starting to come out. The gay community is scared about this. When it comes out that this actually does work and it becomes proof. It will destroy everything the gay community has worked hard for over the past 20 years. Some love being gay to which I say great. You are a great person. Some though do not love being gay and they know there is a way they do not have to be gay and it's time for the gay community to respect that.
Well worded. I'm about to post a video emphasizing this point. We need people who are emotionally and socially prepared, to begin speaking out on this. Our silence hurts us.
@StylistecS Yes many of us are scared. Scared that many vulnerable men will end up subjecting themselves to further damage by attending this workshop which reinforces the negative messages from their past. Im not clear on how you think that if this worked it would destroy all our hard work? You cannot destroy basic human needs, homosexuality will resurface in some form like it has since the dawn of time.
@wimjimjams Vulnerable? Oh please. Who are you to say that it hurts to reinforce these negative messages? They made need to do that to get over them. Some of them want to address and to amend these negative message for the better. You are right, you can't destroy basic human needs. Their needs are not met in homosexuality and if they know they can change that, it's time you start respecting that. Problems that are solved always resurface. It's called temptation. Its up to them to give in to it.
@StylistecS I'm another gay guy fighting for my basic human rights.The only reason these men don't want to be gay is because 'gay' is made out to be shameful and derogatory by other people who have a problem with it.What 'better' are you talking about exactly?Their needs are not met in homosexuality because people deny them their basic human rights! Also, they don't 'know' they can change. They are participating in a psychological experiment that has NO scientific evidence that it even works.
@wimjimjams It is not entirely possible that they see why being gay is not making them truly happy? Perhaps they need to have what goes along with wife and family, and realize that being gay is incongruent and needs to stop, since being gay without the family didn't' work out for them. I know I can change anything in my mind that I wish... or let happen to me. How about the evidence that this isn't the first class and has worked for others?
@Aldenissin "goes along with wife and family" - You say it like its a package you buy at the supermarket. Every family is different. Every individual has to find their own way in life, not follow the leader. A happy family grows out of love, gender makes no difference! How is being gay incongruent? Its an intrinsic part of nature. You should NEVER try and change who you are, that will only lead to misery. If your camp, butch, ugly, fat, thin anything. Be proud of who you are, life is too short!
@Aldenissin "goes along with wife and family" - You say it like its a package you buy at the supermarket. Every family is different. Every individual has to find their own way in life, not follow the leader. A happy family grows out of love, gender makes no difference! How is being gay incongruent? Its an intrinsic part of nature. You should NEVER try and change who you are, that will only lead to misery. If your camp, butch, ugly, fat, thin anything. Be proud of who you are, life is too short!
@wimjimjams As you should. You are human just as the next human. However, You don't know the reason why these men want to change so I wouldn't be so quick to cast judgments on them. When I say better, I mean to get over them, conquer them, to no longer grieve over them and to get out of a depressed mode over them. There are many other reasons as well. People don't deny them their basic rights. They just don't agree with everything that comes with it. See second comment
@StylistecS I do know the reason, he states very clearly it was not a struggle until he learned from other people that it was wrong, and that the 'lifestyle' is not going to work with their 'value system'. Its all about identity and lables OTHER PEOPLE have given them. Maybe it can work? But why on earth should gay people be scared? 'everything that comes with it' What exactly 'comes with it'? I don't think you know. Your formulating an argument about something you know NOTHING about.
@wimjimjams. Biologically do GAY/ LESBIAN people have extra organs to be identified as a third GENDER. No they don't. They misuse the organs that GOD gave for a specific purpose to get pleasure. Later in generations to come people may come up with some other act which gives pleasure and label themselves as a separate gender. THE SIN WILL CONTINUE NO MATTER WHAT WE CALL. It is FREE WILL whether to SIN or NOT. Human rights is living decently NOT INHUMANLY.
@raatkali1996 How dare you make assumptions about me. I do not 'misuse my organs to get pleasure'. My head, heart and body has been and will always be attracted to men and there is nothing wrong with that! I have been taught to make my own way in the world, by my loving family, not follow the leader. I have an amazing boyfriend of 3 years who i love so much and he loves me. We find our own happy way in our life. THERE IS SO MUCH LOVE THERE IS NO ROOM FOR SIN!!! XXXXXXX
@wimjimjams. YOU said that in that case my husband should have never been married. Who gave you the right to say that and who are you to say that. I had a HAPPY MARRIED LIFE which you will be jealous about for eight years and we have a beautiful daughter. My husband I think got involved with Men when I was pregnant. You cannot justify the act and show it to be right. GAY is SIN. You say you have love in the room. Can you procreate?
@raatkali1996 You do know that love and procreation are two different things? You can love someone without having kids. I can justify the act, how is it sinful? Our feelings are perfectly natural, were perfectly happy, and not hurting anyone. What is the problem? It is public and legitimate because i say so, i believe in it. I don't need validation from society. You may find this hard to believe but i am not jealous of your 'marriage', i hope you work things out xx
@wimjimjams. Imagine if everybody becomes GAY/LESBIAN then you would not be BORN EITHER. If your parents were GAY/LESBIAN you would not be born either. SORRY I am not trying to be personal but trying to make you understand. If you are committing a SIN don't make it PUBLIC and make it legitimate.
@raatkali1996 You asked me the question and brought your personal life into the conversation. Furthermore, its pretty clear as YOU said he has cheated on you so many times, maybe marriage is not for him. Believe me, you don't need to apologise because your argument is a joke and your comments are so low you should be ashamed to call yourself an adult. What on earth makes you think i would want everyone to be gay? There would be no procreation. Homosexuality is perfectly normal part of life xx
@wimjimjams.LOL So you think procreation is not part of LOVE. So you GAY people are leaving that responsiblity of procreating and raising GAY KIDS to US, the HETEROSEXUAL COMMUNITY. Great, you have a very Adult and mature understanding of FACTS.
@raatkali1996 Not at all, I meant exactly what i said. That you can love someone without having children, children can be created as product of love but not always. No one is forcing anyone to have children, if you choose to have a child that is your choice and responsibility. If i really wanted my own child in the future there are ways i could have one. Furthermore, you don't know how any child is going to turn out gay or straight. The important lesson to teach is DIVERSITY!! x
@wimjimjams So you say that you have ways that you could have a child being GAY. CAN YOU GAY/LESBIAN procreate your own GAY/LESBIAN kids. No you cannot. Whether being GAY or LESBIAN is a CHOICE. DIVERSITY is a Race, Color, Creed, born of certain Country Origin not a THIRD created UNKNOWN GENDER. GAY IS A SIN, DO NOT MAKE IT PUBLIC OR LEGITIMATE.
@raatkali1996 Nobody can choose anything about their child. If i decide to have children in the future, the probability of them being gay is the same as anyone else. Being gay is not a choice, when did you choose to be straight?Choosing to act on homosexual feelings however is a choice, im very open minded and you have not mentioned anything that is wrong with it other than religions tripe based on nothing more than your beliefs. Unfortunately for you being gay is public and legitimate.
@wimjimjams There is nothing wrong in LOVING any other human being. But LOVE does not have to transform into a physical relationship. As I mentioned the attributes of LOVE earlier, the lustful act of GAY/LESBIAN does not fit into that. Sometimes you LOVE a person so much that person is with you every second of your life. Even though that person may be hurting, humiliating, injuring you.contd:
@raatkali1996 Your not answering my question. Why do you assume that gay/lesbianism is nothing more than a 'lustful act'? How on earth do you know how I feel about my partner? I have a physical relationship with my boyfriend because its NATURAL to me. Your description of love is no different to mine, i find it so offensive that you refuse to accept that my love for another man is equal and is as valid as any heterosexual love. You have no actual reason except deep, underlying homophobia.
@wimjimjams I said to you I believe in the existence of GOD. I may have to repeat my reasoning here. God did not mention in any of his books that there will be a third GENDER, GAY/LESBIAN. Yes, these acts have been done by earlier generations and GOD punished them severely. Homophobia is fear of GAY. I think the GAY community can come up witha whole dictionary of WORDS to justify and make their ACT, LEGITIMATE. GAY is a SIN. GOD will STOP it when he WILLS.
@raatkali1996 I am not a third gender and have never claimed to be. I am a man, i don't know why but i have always been attracted to other men just like you are. I did not ask for that attraction.To ask gay people to live a half life of suppression, misery and denial is asking a lot as all you have is scripture written by someone you dont even know thousands of years ago to back up your beliefs.Why would i want to give up my happy life for one of misery?How has God punished previous generations?
@raatkali1996 Gay may be a sin, but it is not immoral as many of the sins of the bible are not immoral whereas many of the things not listed as sins are immoral.
@elfred1980 Please give me a list of sins that are not immoral. Definition of immorality will also help. Just to use some words to justify an ACT of SIN that has been totally prohibited GOD is nothing but GAY.
@elfred1980 It is immoral to people who consider it a sin in their beliefs and homosexuality does not have any history of success but a history with diseases.
You also can be a father and a husband if you are gay! You can be happy and successful and proud! Why do people not understand this?
LilLoOpZ 1 week ago
3:11 "It wasn't a struggle until I learned from other people, and was shamed into thinking it was a problem." That truly all that needs to be heard, he was shamed about who he truly is because of OTHER people telling him he's wrong. Just sad.
LilLoOpZ 1 week ago
I feel bad for these people. Gay isn't who you are it's what you are. I'm gay, and this is crazy to me. You are lying to yourself. "Journey into manhood"? I'm more man than these cowards are because i know who i am.
Dslater417 3 weeks ago
I wish i could change. That would be wonderful but i cant.
ortega4g 3 weeks ago
SO IF THEY CAN CHANGE THERRE ORIENTATION, THEN I CAN CHANGE THAT IM BLACK. IF I PRAY THE BLACK AWAY, I CAN BE ACCEPTED BY THOSE WHO ARE RACIST. IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY. BEIN GAY IS WHO THEY ARE, A LIL PART OF THEM BUT ITS STILL WHO THEY ARE. JUS LIKE ME BEIN BLACK, IM BLACK CANT CHANGE THAT. IF YOU CAN SO CALL TURN GAY TO STRAIGHT, YOU'RE JUS PRETENDIN CUS YOU WANNA BE WHAT PEOPLE WANT YOU TO BE, YOU DONT WANNA BE YOSELF, YOU GOTTA ACCEPT IT AND BE HAPPY NOT HIDE AND BE MISERABLE.
UMANEDAKIDD19 1 month ago
BEIN GAY IS NOT WRONG, BEIN A HOMOPHOE IS WRONG. YOU CANT TURN SOMEONE GAY YOU CANT TURN SOMEONE STRAIGHT, YOU CANT TURN SOMEONES SEXUAL ORIENTATION. EX-GAY IS PRETENDIN TO BE STRAIGHT. "MANHOOD" WHETHER A GUY IS FEMININE OR MASCULINE HES STILL A MAN. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RETARDED LMFAO
UMANEDAKIDD19 1 month ago
You can't change sexual orientation. If someone's gay, don't hate them or tell them they should change.
Gamescook 1 month ago
lol at the gay music and hugs
feydubois 4 months ago
i'm sure these guys had an orgy afterwards
feydubois 4 months ago
I don't understand why people say that "thats how you are". Until it is proven that Homosexuality is Genetic they can't say "thats how you are". Genetic studies thus far show that Homosexuality is not Genetic. So why couldn't it be psychological?
Infinitelord1 4 months ago
Who are you to say these men cant change thats your opinion! And I could care less what these so called experts have to say!
puffyclouddd1 5 months ago
Who
puffyclouddd1 5 months ago
No one is born gay! Its satan who lies to peoples minds! Dont believe the lie.
puffyclouddd1 5 months ago
@puffyclouddd1 satan? are you sure its not the easter bunny? stop with the nonsense, you sound silly.
cjm608 4 months ago
@puffyclouddd1 yeah man i agree with u ! ....
God created Males and Females nothing else ! even if you read the holy Bible and hloy Quran , u will find that they strongly forbid homosexuality !
and if they cant have a child then what is the point of having sexual intercourse -.- ?
DadizTV 3 months ago
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Grandlnquisitor7 5 months ago
I feel so sorry for these guys. They don't deserve to feel unwanted and worthless for being who they are. But if these guys legitimately feel happy about it, I'm not one to judge.
sorakairi1993 5 months ago
Preston is married. Preston is bisexual, as he can perform sexually with both sexes. He can choose to live a straight or a gay life. Real gay people, who are not bisexual, cannot choose one way or the other. You could put a gay man in a jungle of amazon women and that man's weenie just ain't responding. A real gay person will tell you that.
YosupMofo 6 months ago
LMFAO I love how Preston is from UT & how the 2 guys that founded the program look like they're together. But it's sad that they feel they can't be who they really are & still become the men they want to be. Then there's the fact that he said he still has a sexual attraction for men & now it's more emotional than sexual. Does he not realize that sexuality isn't just sex?
blacxican719 6 months ago
I'll love whoever i want, regardless of gender, race or age.
jinnwarior 6 months ago
@jinnwarior good for you. Who says you can't?
StylistecS 6 months ago
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88donja 6 months ago
I hate when people say that gay people can't turn straight. I have nothing about religion, but thats like saying that Killers can't become non killers and start a new likw Adolf Hitler (whom is dead) can't become a better person. You can change if yoou're willing to change y ou can't be oh I like both genders. That makes no sense.
Pakanora 7 months ago
@Pakanora Don't compare murderers to gays, they're totally unrelated. Murderers are not born to kill. Gays are not harming anyone with their sexual identity. Maybe a lot of gays don't want to change, because they don't need to. Society suppresses homosexuals simply because they're different, claiming that they made a choice to be ridiculed and betrayed by the people around them. Most of them aren't victims to the hate and ignorance, they learn to be strong.
sorakairi1993 5 months ago
@sorakairi1993 I agree with you on the non comparison. But I guess it sickens me when ppl who are straight talk about them like they're crazy, When the normal ppl are crazier than the crazies. To be honest I believe that gays can become straight and vice versa. People say it's not possible because if gays have intercourse, but still want to change their life, they may bring HIV or AIDS into the world. It's kind of annoying, coming from a straight person like myself that is. Sorry for that.
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@sorakairi1993 I agree with you on the non comparison. But I guess it sickens me when ppl who are straight talk about them like they're crazy, When the normal ppl are crazier than the crazies. To be honest I believe that gays can become straight and vice versa. People say it's not possible because if gays have intercourse, but still want to change their life, they may bring HIV or AIDS into the world. It's kind of annoying, coming from a straight person like myself that is. Sorry for that.
Pakanora 5 months ago
'Journey Into Manhood' Program 4me it means so much .. i hate so much what i feel towars a man but can i stop this feelings ????i think no sorry
kamkam22100 7 months ago
If you want to change good for you, i dont need therapy im happy the way i am.
mifolious 7 months ago
This therapy is completely twisted- facing your fears, getting in touch with your own truth and your inner child will teach self-loathing gay men to come out and be proud of being gay
hexum7 8 months ago
preston is hot
hexum7 8 months ago
No-one should have the right to tell someone that their sexual orientation is wrong or unacceptable. Even worse, though, is trying to tell someone that they shouldn't be allowed to choose (of their own volition) to try to change their orientation if they don't feel that that's part of their identity.
StupidChris19 8 months ago 4
What a load of idiocy this video and these comments are. It is absolutely inpossible for an individual to change their sexuality and nor should anyone feel the need to change to please the many bigots commenting here. Homosexuality is as moral and correct as any sexuality is and only sheer ignorance makes people believe otherwise. I can't believe the level of primitive thinking there is in so many of these comments. Homosexuality is normal and ok, religious zealots who think otherwise can stfu
Floopied 8 months ago
@Floopied What makes you think religious zealots are the only who are saying this? There are atheists that also believe that your orientation can change and homosexuality is not normal. There is an atheist on YOUTUBE that believes this. Also, what you may deem as possible means nothing to the men and women who actually believe in this. They are not saying Homosexuality is wrong anyway. They are saying homosexuality is wrong for them. People just throw out this word bigot for no reason.
StylistecS 8 months ago
@StylistecS I said religious zealots because that is the most prominent group of people on here commenting. If you think orientation can change why are people so dubious and disbelieving in the changing of sexuality? Surely if it can be changed, anyone can choose who they want to be attracted to.... but in reality both me and you know this is not true. What do you mean 'it is wrong for them?'.. well obviously seeming as their not gay. Dunno what you were trying to say there.
Floopied 8 months ago
@Floopied sorry but my reality is different than your reality. I believe than change is possible but only through God. Obviously I don't know if they are gay or not. Neither do you. If they are, and they are unhappy about it, and seek change if they believe its attainable and goes against their core values and dreams, respect their decision to seek answers and let them do what they feel is right for them.
StylistecS 7 months ago
@StylistecS Sorry to say but I really believe that anyone who says they've changed their orientation is an individual worthy of pity. I believe they live a life of denial and who have come to this conclusion through the sheer weight of judgement and ridicule place on them by religion and generally moronic bigots. Not only do i believe it is a lie but I think it is unhealthy for them to put themselves through this. Repressing desires will do nothing more than damage them further.
Floopied 7 months ago
@Floopied well what you believe of them on what judgements you place on them is irrelevant. They are not on this Earth to please you, me, or anyone else. The fact is they do not feel its right for them and they believe they can find a way out of it. Get over it. It's their life, worry about yours.
StylistecS 7 months ago
@StylistecS But the problem i have isnt that they believe they can change, it is the reason why they WANT to change. Religion and society's views have pushed these vulnerable, impressionable people into thinking that there is something wrong with them. The only thing rehab and place like this do is reaffirm this belief that homosexuality is wrong and that they need help to rid them off this. Not only this but this rahabilatation never works! It represses people's desires causing only mre damage.
Floopied 7 months ago
@Floopied So what if some people that are grounded in religion uses that view to change. If they do not feel pressure by religion, let them be. If they feel motivated to change because of their religious belief only, what's wrong with that. Let me ask you, do you seek change for anything in your life no matter how small it is? Why do you seek that change and who are you changing for. Or do you believe your life will never come to a point that you will never seek change which I highly doubt.
StylistecS 7 months ago
am I the only one who feels bad for the wives of these men?
GamingTranceSeer 8 months ago
Come to become straight, stay for the hugging session
ivancherem666 8 months ago
Homosexuals need to be fixed, but that fat gay to straight program leader, who claims he is now straight, sounds very gay.Programs like this are limp wristed and rarely work.What should be done instead is have put into these men a mega dose of hellfire and brimstone.A balls to bones fear of the Lord,does wonders for righting behavior,and purifying the soul.
GrandInquisitor7 8 months ago
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Andy1000K 8 months ago
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GrandInquisitor7 8 months ago 2
@K1mora I am neither, I am a Daughter of the Living and True God.
GrandInquisitor7 8 months ago 4
@GrandInquisitor7 = Child Abuse Enabler. Keep your children away from this pathetic waste of skin.
Andy1000K 8 months ago
@GrandInquisitor7 My God can kick your God's ass, his name is Thor XD
n987 7 months ago
is it me, or does the Mormon guy look like the Osmond brothers? a cousin maybe?
skewlboypin 8 months ago
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GrandInquisitor7 8 months ago 4
if it doesn't need fixing, IT CANT BE FIXED!!!!
speedx50 8 months ago
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GrandInquisitor7 8 months ago 2
@GrandInquisitor7 *YAWNS*
speedx50 8 months ago
@speedx50 according to.....?
StylistecS 8 months ago
@StylistecS according to common sense
speedx50 8 months ago
@speedx50 so it's your opinion? Gotcha. You don't know anymore than the next person.
StylistecS 8 months ago
@StylistecS ...
speedx50 8 months ago
@StylistecS neither do you
speedx50 8 months ago
@speedx50 never said I did.
StylistecS 7 months ago
@StylistecS i never said I knew anybetter than the next person
speedx50 7 months ago
@speedx50 quit trying to play games. If people don't feel this is right for them and they believe they can fix it. Well fix it. To these people, it is broke.
StylistecS 7 months ago
@StylistecS youre really not "fixing" anything, really, all youre doing is dimming down those desires, watch the video towards the end and you'll see that preston admits that he's still,occasionally, attracted to men, so that means those feelings he had haven't been "fixed" they're just suppresed by shame
speedx50 7 months ago
@speedx50 there are a great many of testimonies out there where people that use to be homosexuals that are now heterosexual and they have no, nada, zip desires of those thoughts anymore. It's a process for Preston. He understands those attractions and layer on, he won't feel those attractions any longer.
StylistecS 7 months ago
@StylistecS and there are a great many of testimonies out there that say 100% the opposite. So how can you be so sure that it works for everyone? why does this therapy work for this guy but not that guy? preston spent 3 years trying to "change" himself. 3 YEARS!!! and some people spend 5 10, 20 years of their life and it ends up not working for them, how do you explain that?
speedx50 7 months ago
@speedx50 I never said that this works for everyone and that was never my argument. We are all different people led by different things that want different things. Like the guy said earlier,FOR SOME PEOPLE, gay is never going to work. That has been their stand all along. What works for one will not work for the other. We all have different preferences and different lives. Preston believes he changed. That is the only thing relevant.
StylistecS 7 months ago
@StylistecS Finally. Someone with some sense.
Pakanora 7 months ago
"Journey into Manhood??" these people think the only way to being a man is likeing pussy. Trust me!!! just because youre a straight guy doesn't make you man at all. theres alot more to it. im happy for preston and the fact that he's about to be a father but I smell a rat
speedx50 9 months ago
And I think Rich and Dave are screwing :)
505weirdo 9 months ago
I think Preston is hotttt.
ajciao 9 months ago
The telling point of the whole article is 1:46 -1:53 in. "For some people 'gay' is never gonna' work cause that kind of life, that way of living is just not gonna' gel with their value system.' The whole point of their belief system is based upon an antiquated and obsolete bronze age myth that goat-herders made up to cover their own asses. While a person is who they are, they cannot change their sexual attraction, these deluded people think that being homosexual is a choice based upon sin. Wrong
journeyer58 9 months ago
10:23 (music playing in background) OLYMPIC FANFARE!!!!! :D
speedx50 9 months ago
To all non straight guys that believe same sex attraction is just plain WRONG, I salute you for thinking outside the box, your revolting against nature, your not being compelled by your genes and hormones. You are free to choose your ACTIONS and to want to tame your feelings and desires. Self restraint is what differentiate humans from animals. Born this way? schizophrenics are born that way too! having and not having genes should not dictate who you want to be.You made your choice guys Weldone
mashmooshah 10 months ago
Most of the antagonistic comments are by haters . Who are you to tell someone else that being male and being attracted to men are NOT mutually exclusive. If they want to believe that there is something wrong about being gay and that it is effeminate, who are you to tell them what to think. I salute them for having the guts to say the truth! They are REAL men already. If they are happy with results that they see after going to that retreat, who are you dismiss that and deny that.
mashmooshah 10 months ago
People who waste their money on 'turning straight' are wasting their money, the reason they want to change in the first place is because the place they live doesn't deem it as 'acceptable' well fuck that, live the way you were born whether you were born straight or born gay don't let any cunt tell you different.
# Born this way.
aaalexishhh 10 months ago
lmao first of all the activities mad gay lol... second you can't change gay and people should just accept themselves. Also a life coach is basically a scam...overall though a funny video
shocknator 10 months ago
A JOURNEY INTO MANHOOD? Gay males are men, ... a Man goes into manhood when he becomes an adult! We have everything a "Striaght" Male has. We are just smarter.
TBMfan92 10 months ago
I would call this a joke if it wasn't so completely infuriating!! What is the deal with these pseudo-psychologists who are profiting off of people's insecurities? It's no wonder that people can't accept themselves as they are when we have jackasses running workshops like these, telling participants that they're "broken" but they have just the plan to "fix" them! Maybe someone should send that bespectacled toad to fat camp and see what comes of THAT!!! Grrrr...
wstaib 10 months ago
seems like a camp to make gay men...LOL... all of the taped words were words that defined gay men today. fathers, husbands, masculine, etc. They can try to change who they are, but it's obviously not working if they have to continue to attend these "camps". And $600 seems kind of cheap don't you think.. all i seen was a ton of hugging, 12 men in a cabin, one on top the other on bottom... 72 hours, who would of known...LMFAO ! fools!
mundo7621 10 months ago
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radiodj1520 10 months ago
i don't think these programs change your sexual orientation. I do however think they may provide some childhood post traumatic healing. I don't believe that a man or even a group of men can change ones sexual orientation (which i believe is inborn)...but if these kinds of programs make them happy...to each their own.
iiablaze 10 months ago
and you can be gay and still be masculine wtf
wallysparks1 10 months ago
this doesn't make sense. they're still gay they just don't have gay sex?
wallysparks1 10 months ago
Any program(accredited or not), in United States or anywhere else for that matter, have clients that end up no-so-good in the end. Some of their clients are better.
Creationcreed 11 months ago
I believe the Lord can help a person change from homo to hetero, using many of the concepts mentioned in journey to manhood and peoplecanchange website, etc. God made our spirits and bodies, and I put my trust in Him that He knows how to make me whole, since that is what the gospel is about: becoming perfect, or whole. I have begun to feel the whisperings of sexual attractions for women, which I believe came about through complying with certain things.
hopeful3412 11 months ago
I don't think the program is working so well for the life coach.
thedemonnemo 11 months ago
Bro, just take them to boot camp. This makes them gayer.
alotus9 1 year ago
im actually trying to turn gay.
marsacko16 1 year ago
Rhetoric is all around and is prevalent in both conservative and liberal settings. What I noticed rather telling is how the two, now openly gay, men perceived the therapy they experienced / witnessed. Perception isn't always an effective witnessing tool. We all make judgments based on our perceptions but does that mean our perceptions are always right? I suppose these two men based their critique of the therapy based on individualized subjective perceptions, but not universal experience.
AChyldofGod 1 year ago
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gayness is bad and gays go to hell
qoute:god made adam and eve not adam and steve
keenan246801 1 year ago
wow, why are people so terrified of being gay? you don't have to have the lifestyle of going to gay bars and clubs and hopping beds every night to be openly gay...
leptismagna10 1 year ago
@leptismagna10 YOU are not married to GAY MAN. I am a Woman married to a Gay Man for 15 years. Do you know what I am going through because of his gay lifestyle. He spends his money on GAY activities does not want to pay bills. Now walked out leaving me and my seven year old daughter. You still say GAYS should not be ridiculed. See the recent storm for CA. What dod you think it is? When SINS exceed the limits GOD punishes.
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 lady, what do you think he's going through? if he was secure with his sexuality he wouldn't have married you in the first place and would have been living with his beloved partner doing something useful with his money rather than using it to cheat.
all because of that trash thing you call a bible which you fundamentally follow.
people who think they're following god deserve any misery they get.
leptismagna10 1 year ago
@leptismagna10 It is not GOD who is making me go through this. It is a human who does not know his identity and is lost in SIN. If you believe in GOD, then you cannot commit such ACT. You will find PEACE and you will know who you are. GAY MEN STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! going out with and don't VICTIMISE them. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE GAY. But I have a RIGHT TO BE A WOMAN and not to be BETRAYED by MEN who think they can FOOL around.
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 Your problem lies with your husband, not homosexuality. Maybe you should get off the internet and do something about your situation instead of feeling sorry for yourself and blaming everyone else! x
wimjimjams 1 year ago
SO THE SIN CONTINUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
raatkali1996 1 year ago
SIN has always existed in this WORLD. But people used to commit SIN in hiding and feel GUILTY about it and ask GOD TO FORGIVE. But this Country is all about FREE SEX. So there is no SHAME OR GUILT anymore. On the other hand they want rights to get Married, breaking the LAW of Marriage. MARRIAGE is SACRED. GOD, FAITH and SIN cannot be in the SAME BODY AND MIND.PEACE
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 I agree that the meaning of marriage has been degraded in our society. People don't value it as much as they used too, however that is a separate issue from being gay. I know married gay couples who are perfectly monogamous and happy together. Its about love, not following a set of rules. You victimise gay people. Why not murderers, liars, peadophiles, and thieves? Surely they are more worthy of your preaching? Why does homosexuality receive more specific hate than all those sins?
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@wimjimjams NO, I do not agree with that I go to a Christian School now and I see people who have values, moral, culture, FAITH and FEAR of GOD in them. They consider MARRIAGE to be SACRED with pure SELFLESS LOVE. It all depends on where we are and who we meet. Again it is a matter of choice as to what we want to see, know and follow. I am not Christian, but birds of same feather flock together. I LOVE GOD just as they DO. That's where we MEET.
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wimjimjams 1 year ago
@Wimjimjams, Yes, So looks like he is always looking for sexual pleasures outside our MARRIAGE. Men/Women who cheat have low moral character and no values. Irrespective whether they cheat with a MAN or a WOMAN. For me Marriage is SACRED. GOD has made couple for a reason. HE is the one who will resolve my situation.
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 As i keep saying, he can be married to you for 15 years because he wants a family and the widely accepted, domestic lifestyle that so many people crave. Society has made being gay a shameful and limiting existance. What are you trying to say? It is about choice, i choose to act on my feelings. Your mixing together many different issues that i don't care to comment on. Im refering to ex-gay therapy, not adultery. Although it seems gay or straight your husband should not be married.
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@Wimjimjams, So you think at one point my husband was not GAYor did not want to be GAY. That means its all about choices. So If I think that he is not attracted to me any more, it's been 15 years. At any point in my marriage I did not feel that he did not LOVE me. After I had my baby, I saw that he moved away more from me. Well if he was not GAY then he would have cheated with a WOMAN, which he did that too. Recently he is been going out with a WOMAN. So looks like he is always looking continued
raatkali1996 1 year ago
Wimjimjams, I am not looking for sympathy from YOU. Obviously you are GAY. My question to you is, if a person is born GAY, then how can you be married to a WOMAN for 15 years and I am sure he was cheating throughout my marriage, which I did not know about. Now I have a six year old daughter. If I separate out from him, then she loses her home, where she could get both her MOM and DAD. What was her fault? It is all about responsibility and CHOICES. AGAIN it is overcoming temptations, all SINS.
raatkali1996 1 year ago
wimjimjams, THAT is why I said if you believe in GOD AND YOU HAVE FAITH, I REPEAT YOU CANNOT BE GAY. FAITH and SIN cannot exist in the same body and mind. Yes having SEX with a female or male is a temptation. IF a person has SEX outside the MARRIAGE, then it is Adultery and Sin. Yes it is a matter of CHOICE. I am married for 15 years. I came to know my husband is Gay, three years ago. Now tell me was he hiding his identity, I always felt he had true love for me. Now we are both stuggling.
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 I sympathise with your situation. I understand at some point your husband decided he wanted a heterosexual marriage. A large part of any marriage is sexual attraction. If your husband is sexually attracted to you, he is not gay. If he has to pretend to be that is not healthy for either you or him. Do you really want to be with someone who has to try and be attracted to you? I hope you both find happiness xx
wimjimjams 1 year ago
IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD AND HAVE FAITH, THEN YOU CANNOT BE GAY. I am a straight woman, but I never had sex with any other man except my husband. It is a matter of Choice what you want to eat and who you want to sleep with. We all have temptations at every step. It is how we handle them and overcome them. Reflect upon this and think again.
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 Your a heterosexual, middle aged woman who has been married for the past 20 years. What makes you think you have the slightest idea what its like to be gay? Reflect upon that xx
wimjimjams 1 year ago
haha this guy is still gay that they "treated" look at his action watch his voice hes still gay and i love that they failed because being gay is not an option ur born gay
ITSBRUNO1 1 year ago
i have a question. I am a 13 years old teenager. I have had dreams of kissing other boys. But I am also attracted to girls. I dont want to say I'm bisexual, because even if a homosexual boy was to come by me for a flirt, which has happened, I rejected him and I feel bad when i think about boys in a sexual manner, yet i am attracted to them in a way. Would that make me straight, bi curious, or gay?
katiesdemon 1 year ago
@katiesdemon Your a curious teenager and that is perfectly normal. Your very young and your hormones are all over the place so don't be so quick to label yourself. Give it time, and follow your heart. When your a little older it will all fall into place x
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@wimjimjams Thank you so much. I feel much better.
katiesdemon 1 year ago
There is also no scientific evidence that it doesn't work. But there have been people out there that state this was a positive and life changing experience for them. Also, I know you didn't respond to me. But a person should never try to change who they are? You should always be open for change. People change their outlook in life everyday. People don't change because they are comfortable. If you are comfortable, then continue on. If you're not comfortable, than change yourself for the better.
StylistecS 1 year ago
@StylistecS Oh wake up. 'deep emotional work', change is good depending on what it is and why. We have to look at the 'why'? Society is telling them to have something they will never get, and these boys want it so badly they are willing to be brainwashed for it. I want a larger penis because society tells me that i should have one, but what i need is someone to love me for what i've got! These guys needed their families support from a young age when it mattered then they wouldn't feel worthless!
wimjimjams 1 year ago
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wimjimjams 1 year ago
He should be openly Bisexual !
KeeceStar 1 year ago
I don't think Preston would attend 'Journey into Manhood' if he wasn't "shamed into thinking it was a problem" by other people. The root of Prestons problem lies with satisfying other people. This is a place for those who need to identify with stereotypes and lack the ability to identify with themselves. Never look to other people to validate who you are, you need to find that validation within yourself. It's sad these guys have preset notions of how they are supposed to be. xx
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@wimjimjams, I think Preston did not attend 'Journey into Manhood' because he was ashamed of being GAY. No he LOVED his WIFE and he wanted a FAMILY. He wanted to be a MAN and take care of his LOVE, FAMILY AND RESPONSIBILITY. Either GAY or STRAIGHT if you are in a relationship then you respect that, love that, nurture that and take care of that. You cannot keep sleeping with zillion partners and say that I am GAY or BISEXUAL or HETEROSEXUAL. It doesn't matter.
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 He states it was shameful at 3:12 on this video. If he was not taught it was wrong and shameful, he would most likely be happily married to a man and this vid would not exist. He's making decisions on what he has learned from other people who don't know what they are talking about. When you are in a relationship you have to do what makes you and your partner happy. I personally believe in monogamy, but that has NOTHING to do with my being gay.
wimjimjams 1 year ago
this camp sounds gay
z1e2v1 1 year ago
Pret is awesome. One of my best friends I have ever had. He has helped a ton in my own journey into Manhood. Love you guys Pret and Megan.
timboice77 1 year ago
Preston your the bravest MAN ever saw Baruch HaShem!! Study the Torah be so busy doing mitzvoth that you won't have time to live according to the flesh!
Shame on those two who call themselves Jew, they are disgrace to Torah and they are koferim!!! I would not be surprised to learn that they deny Mashiach Yeshua! They don't have Ruach Ha Kodesh!!
YechezkaelMacavi 1 year ago
OMG! This makes perfect sense! They are uncomfortable with same sex attraction because it isn't who they really are. They just discovered, here in the Florida Everglades, that the food source of a certain species of bird became poisoned with high levels of mercury and that turned the poor animals gay. These men could just be suffering from a kind of mercury poisoning. They can indeed change.
MashiahBenYosef 1 year ago
@MashiahBenYosef Balzac, that's their excuse for being gay, what's yours??? since you are So Prone to homosexual and Gay issues, or is it that your favorite position is PRONE!!!!
TalmidChacham 1 year ago
Good for Preston and his wife, no matter what you think about the program.
mikeismasri 1 year ago
I tried to read every comment before adding my own but most of the comments are rather insulting and full of obscenities. I do not believe that every gay person's orientation can change unless it is caused by a traumatic experience such as childhood sexual molestation.
As you can tell from my screen name, I am Catholic. I am also a gay man. Now, to clarify who I am and how I live. My sexuality is a portion of who I am as a man. I have made a conscious decision to live celibately.
CatholicWarrior777 1 year ago
@CatholicWarrior777 In case you are unaware as to what celibacy is, it is the decision to not have sex. I did not make this decision lightly or for fear of being outed. Frankly, I don't care who accepts my sexual orientation or my decision to live a celibate life. I am happy. I love who I am. Why is it that people will tend to praise and glorify individuals who are brave enough to "come out of the closet" but if you are gay and choose to live differently, we are suspect? What is going on?
CatholicWarrior777 1 year ago
@CatholicWarrior777 They are seeking to glorify themselves when they glorify others like them. Anyone who opposes this self interest thought, stands in their way, even if they are otherwise like them and gay.
God loves us enough to let us make our own decisions. If you were chained to the right decisions you would be a slave, and could never truly love him. You seem to be an example of this. It takes love to conquer evil, and is what I do, for it is his will. Always seek truth and love.
Aldeniszen 1 year ago
@Aldeniszen Truthfully, I don't understand what you are say or what you stand for. I know that God created me in his image and likeness and he does not make mistakes. If I am gay, it is for a reason. Yes, he has given me the free choice to live the gay lifestyle, life celibately, or even marry a Godly woman who will be brave enough to work with me and create a family with me God will lead me in that direction. I choose to live for Christ and I choose to live celibately. Still don't get you.
CatholicWarrior777 1 year ago
@CatholicWarrior777
G-d also created people with a genetic predisposition to obsiety in His image. This doesn't mean that they shouldn't strive to eat as healthily as they can.
omedyashar 1 year ago
this is so gay
mikewadesmith99 1 year ago
I am heterosexual and married for 23 years. I've been associated with other organizations "men's issues" organizations not dealing with homosexuality. Why would a "straight" man choose to help in this kind of work? I see this as just another dysfunction for these men, like adultery. These brave men are swimming against the tide of our culture's promotion of the gay agenda. They have the right to self determination in how they live their sexual lives without condemnation by the gay status quo.
jaykrasne 1 year ago
this is definity not sexual orientation change. if these men have 'unwanted sexual attraction to other male' that is not because of society's norms...that's because these men are biologically straight but have been put through situations in life that had taken away some of their needs (i.e. confidence in their own manhood) as men. to say that these men are gay is unfair to both themselves and to gay men.
lewisbryce15 1 year ago
I am glad this is starting to come out. The gay community is scared about this. When it comes out that this actually does work and it becomes proof. It will destroy everything the gay community has worked hard for over the past 20 years. Some love being gay to which I say great. You are a great person. Some though do not love being gay and they know there is a way they do not have to be gay and it's time for the gay community to respect that.
StylistecS 1 year ago 6
@StylistecS
Well worded. I'm about to post a video emphasizing this point. We need people who are emotionally and socially prepared, to begin speaking out on this. Our silence hurts us.
omedyashar 1 year ago
@StylistecS Yes many of us are scared. Scared that many vulnerable men will end up subjecting themselves to further damage by attending this workshop which reinforces the negative messages from their past. Im not clear on how you think that if this worked it would destroy all our hard work? You cannot destroy basic human needs, homosexuality will resurface in some form like it has since the dawn of time.
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@wimjimjams Vulnerable? Oh please. Who are you to say that it hurts to reinforce these negative messages? They made need to do that to get over them. Some of them want to address and to amend these negative message for the better. You are right, you can't destroy basic human needs. Their needs are not met in homosexuality and if they know they can change that, it's time you start respecting that. Problems that are solved always resurface. It's called temptation. Its up to them to give in to it.
StylistecS 1 year ago
@StylistecS I'm another gay guy fighting for my basic human rights.The only reason these men don't want to be gay is because 'gay' is made out to be shameful and derogatory by other people who have a problem with it.What 'better' are you talking about exactly?Their needs are not met in homosexuality because people deny them their basic human rights! Also, they don't 'know' they can change. They are participating in a psychological experiment that has NO scientific evidence that it even works.
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@wimjimjams It is not entirely possible that they see why being gay is not making them truly happy? Perhaps they need to have what goes along with wife and family, and realize that being gay is incongruent and needs to stop, since being gay without the family didn't' work out for them. I know I can change anything in my mind that I wish... or let happen to me. How about the evidence that this isn't the first class and has worked for others?
Aldenissin 1 year ago
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wimjimjams 1 year ago
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@Aldenissin "goes along with wife and family" - You say it like its a package you buy at the supermarket. Every family is different. Every individual has to find their own way in life, not follow the leader. A happy family grows out of love, gender makes no difference! How is being gay incongruent? Its an intrinsic part of nature. You should NEVER try and change who you are, that will only lead to misery. If your camp, butch, ugly, fat, thin anything. Be proud of who you are, life is too short!
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@Aldenissin "goes along with wife and family" - You say it like its a package you buy at the supermarket. Every family is different. Every individual has to find their own way in life, not follow the leader. A happy family grows out of love, gender makes no difference! How is being gay incongruent? Its an intrinsic part of nature. You should NEVER try and change who you are, that will only lead to misery. If your camp, butch, ugly, fat, thin anything. Be proud of who you are, life is too short!
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@wimjimjams Life is a JOURNEY it is going to END. SO make the right CHOICES before it is too Late.
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@wimjimjams As you should. You are human just as the next human. However, You don't know the reason why these men want to change so I wouldn't be so quick to cast judgments on them. When I say better, I mean to get over them, conquer them, to no longer grieve over them and to get out of a depressed mode over them. There are many other reasons as well. People don't deny them their basic rights. They just don't agree with everything that comes with it. See second comment
StylistecS 1 year ago
@StylistecS I do know the reason, he states very clearly it was not a struggle until he learned from other people that it was wrong, and that the 'lifestyle' is not going to work with their 'value system'. Its all about identity and lables OTHER PEOPLE have given them. Maybe it can work? But why on earth should gay people be scared? 'everything that comes with it' What exactly 'comes with it'? I don't think you know. Your formulating an argument about something you know NOTHING about.
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@wimjimjams. Biologically do GAY/ LESBIAN people have extra organs to be identified as a third GENDER. No they don't. They misuse the organs that GOD gave for a specific purpose to get pleasure. Later in generations to come people may come up with some other act which gives pleasure and label themselves as a separate gender. THE SIN WILL CONTINUE NO MATTER WHAT WE CALL. It is FREE WILL whether to SIN or NOT. Human rights is living decently NOT INHUMANLY.
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 How dare you make assumptions about me. I do not 'misuse my organs to get pleasure'. My head, heart and body has been and will always be attracted to men and there is nothing wrong with that! I have been taught to make my own way in the world, by my loving family, not follow the leader. I have an amazing boyfriend of 3 years who i love so much and he loves me. We find our own happy way in our life. THERE IS SO MUCH LOVE THERE IS NO ROOM FOR SIN!!! XXXXXXX
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@wimjimjams. YOU said that in that case my husband should have never been married. Who gave you the right to say that and who are you to say that. I had a HAPPY MARRIED LIFE which you will be jealous about for eight years and we have a beautiful daughter. My husband I think got involved with Men when I was pregnant. You cannot justify the act and show it to be right. GAY is SIN. You say you have love in the room. Can you procreate?
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 You do know that love and procreation are two different things? You can love someone without having kids. I can justify the act, how is it sinful? Our feelings are perfectly natural, were perfectly happy, and not hurting anyone. What is the problem? It is public and legitimate because i say so, i believe in it. I don't need validation from society. You may find this hard to believe but i am not jealous of your 'marriage', i hope you work things out xx
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@wimjimjams. Imagine if everybody becomes GAY/LESBIAN then you would not be BORN EITHER. If your parents were GAY/LESBIAN you would not be born either. SORRY I am not trying to be personal but trying to make you understand. If you are committing a SIN don't make it PUBLIC and make it legitimate.
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 You asked me the question and brought your personal life into the conversation. Furthermore, its pretty clear as YOU said he has cheated on you so many times, maybe marriage is not for him. Believe me, you don't need to apologise because your argument is a joke and your comments are so low you should be ashamed to call yourself an adult. What on earth makes you think i would want everyone to be gay? There would be no procreation. Homosexuality is perfectly normal part of life xx
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@wimjimjams.LOL So you think procreation is not part of LOVE. So you GAY people are leaving that responsiblity of procreating and raising GAY KIDS to US, the HETEROSEXUAL COMMUNITY. Great, you have a very Adult and mature understanding of FACTS.
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 Not at all, I meant exactly what i said. That you can love someone without having children, children can be created as product of love but not always. No one is forcing anyone to have children, if you choose to have a child that is your choice and responsibility. If i really wanted my own child in the future there are ways i could have one. Furthermore, you don't know how any child is going to turn out gay or straight. The important lesson to teach is DIVERSITY!! x
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@wimjimjams So you say that you have ways that you could have a child being GAY. CAN YOU GAY/LESBIAN procreate your own GAY/LESBIAN kids. No you cannot. Whether being GAY or LESBIAN is a CHOICE. DIVERSITY is a Race, Color, Creed, born of certain Country Origin not a THIRD created UNKNOWN GENDER. GAY IS A SIN, DO NOT MAKE IT PUBLIC OR LEGITIMATE.
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 Nobody can choose anything about their child. If i decide to have children in the future, the probability of them being gay is the same as anyone else. Being gay is not a choice, when did you choose to be straight?Choosing to act on homosexual feelings however is a choice, im very open minded and you have not mentioned anything that is wrong with it other than religions tripe based on nothing more than your beliefs. Unfortunately for you being gay is public and legitimate.
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@wimjimjams There is nothing wrong in LOVING any other human being. But LOVE does not have to transform into a physical relationship. As I mentioned the attributes of LOVE earlier, the lustful act of GAY/LESBIAN does not fit into that. Sometimes you LOVE a person so much that person is with you every second of your life. Even though that person may be hurting, humiliating, injuring you.contd:
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 Your not answering my question. Why do you assume that gay/lesbianism is nothing more than a 'lustful act'? How on earth do you know how I feel about my partner? I have a physical relationship with my boyfriend because its NATURAL to me. Your description of love is no different to mine, i find it so offensive that you refuse to accept that my love for another man is equal and is as valid as any heterosexual love. You have no actual reason except deep, underlying homophobia.
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@wimjimjams I said to you I believe in the existence of GOD. I may have to repeat my reasoning here. God did not mention in any of his books that there will be a third GENDER, GAY/LESBIAN. Yes, these acts have been done by earlier generations and GOD punished them severely. Homophobia is fear of GAY. I think the GAY community can come up witha whole dictionary of WORDS to justify and make their ACT, LEGITIMATE. GAY is a SIN. GOD will STOP it when he WILLS.
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 I am not a third gender and have never claimed to be. I am a man, i don't know why but i have always been attracted to other men just like you are. I did not ask for that attraction.To ask gay people to live a half life of suppression, misery and denial is asking a lot as all you have is scripture written by someone you dont even know thousands of years ago to back up your beliefs.Why would i want to give up my happy life for one of misery?How has God punished previous generations?
wimjimjams 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 Gay may be a sin, but it is not immoral as many of the sins of the bible are not immoral whereas many of the things not listed as sins are immoral.
elfred1980 1 year ago
@elfred1980 Please give me a list of sins that are not immoral. Definition of immorality will also help. Just to use some words to justify an ACT of SIN that has been totally prohibited GOD is nothing but GAY.
raatkali1996 1 year ago
@raatkali1996 Huh? That didn't even make sense. Being gay isn't immoral. Calling it a sin does not make it so.
elfred1980 1 year ago
@elfred1980 It is immoral to people who consider it a sin in their beliefs and homosexuality does not have any history of success but a history with diseases.
Kimikimer 1 year ago
@Kimikimer Wow that is such utter bullshit.
elfred1980 1 year ago
@elfred1980 Oh really? Do you deny the diseases full lifestyle of a homosexual? If yes then feel free to argue with the center for disease control.
Kimikimer 1 year ago