I saw several instances where the 'attacker' looked like he was purposely missing palm strikes. It looked somewhat as to give the Sensi a good look... Some spear hands looked that way also.
Just kick him... dont wave with those hands... come on kick him with your leg in the groins or headbutt him ... and then you will erase that fake smile from his face .
In a fight with a smart opponent from what I can see he would be read real fast, he should take his left hand and use it more, Im guessing he's right handed. He's pretty fast. From what I can read on the comments, people believe this to be a fighting issue, this is an art, not some sort of "who can beat who.."
@Schile23 Well i dont know about KB..but i know WC and yes WC can help you in a fight...it not all about the style you learn.It only depends on how well you used it. *i learn WC*
@Schile23 In the end it all comes down on how you learn, master and purpose. I've found WC discipline to work in everyday tasks,situations. I highly recommend you to train WC, I don't recommend this if you want to be the attacker.(It goes against one of the principles, the best fight is that which doesn't take place)
@Schile23 - Most SIFU have no fight experience nor can you validate any stories they tell you. I highly suggest sticking to Muay-Thai for now then transition to MMA in the future. Look for Wing Chun fight clips. You will not find anything decent. One would think after 200 or more years of existence there would be something worth watching on Wing Chun. There is a lot on Muay-Thai however.
Check out: /watch?v=yJgf508nU4s
Fight like Ramon Dekkers or clap hands like Gary Lam? Up to you.
Ofcourse it will work in a real fight, if you practice this close like wing chun guys do then in a real fight when someone charges at your with a huge hook its way easier to stop that since your used to blocking stuff at point blank
hgamer, ur teacher in this vid reminds me of one of mine i had. he always was a good sport and made me feel i was doing good against him even when i was nowhere close to making him push his skills lol. i miss working out
Hey I'm seeking to learn Wing Chun and was wondering if you could create a video to help me start out on a few drills. I am searching for a school right now, but would love it and would greatly appreciate a beginners video. Thanks!
That was the best chi sao sparring I have ever seen. Master Wong blocked almost the entire session. I think virtually nothing got through. Brilliant display of free style sparring. Been a while since I have seen any wing chun this good on YouTube.... +1
@vietreal u have no idea... in a fight again someone who knows, not those wannabes, wing chun u wont be able to touch any part of his body besides his hands and feet!!
@msoon77 that's what makes em tards, so i frankly i don't care...... as for the low bong sau, you have to think in terms of distance...... allot of people were saying, you could've hit him in the early part of the video... clearly these are individuals who don't understand, that the purpose is not to touch a person in a fight, but to actually be in proper distance to hit...... trust me, at no point in the video was i even close
@hgamer I just started training. My sifu is awesome. This guy was doing a stick drill with me and was dominating me with one hand. Were learning how to use the ground to feel the other persons center when we are working our drills. I love wing chun.
@hgamer I can vouch for you on that. I live in tucson and have had the luxury of actually training with sifu Fong. On one occasion he used me as a volunteer to demonstrate the application of pak sau during rolling sticky hands. Some how I managed to graze his midsection with some part of my arm when we were rolling. Not to imply that I got through. I have a better chance of winning the bronze in women's gymnastics than actually hitting him. But I was shocked by how solid his stomach was.
@dimezthemagicprodusa It's not about whether one's stomach is sticking out a bit or how flat it is or how one thinks it should look cosmetically, it's about how strong the inside of that stomach intestines are and how it repels or responds to the intense contact received. At least, that's one way to look at it.
some people dont seem to understand that this is a demonstration. he didnt strike back because that wasnt what he demonstrating. and as for it being useless in a fight situation, again understand its just a training technique. master jim fung once showed its application in a fight and that demo lasted seconds. if you dont understand something dont judge it ask questions
Most Wing Chun bashers say what they say because they see videos like this and draw conclusions. It's always sad to see such inexperienced and uneducated people make assumptions about a martial art based on the most straightforward and standard drills. If they took the time to realize that there's a reason for everything they're watching, they'd understand the violent killing potential of the martial art and why it's so bloody dangerous. It's a shame.
@MaestroDraven well said.what is also a shame is that we all have a love of martial arts in common so just show some respect. my son does a type of karate so i went along last week and joined a lesson and it was good fun . i think we could all learn something from each other. just need to be more open minded and as i said show respect
Very much so. Learning multiple martial arts can't possibly hurt. The problem is that most people who learn multiple martial arts never learn any one art to it's full extent. It's a lot like a fellow who brags about playing the guitar, bass, and drums at the same time, but he's a novice-level at all three. That's where the disadvantage comes from. I always recommend that folks stick to one martial art and learn it in-depth before moving on to another.
@MaestroDraven my sons karate had been doing something very similar to sticking hands and were going to spend the whole lesson doing it ,5 minute rounds before changing partners,so when offered the chance to join in i jumped at it. i was impressed with their fitness and with a couple their speed. after their sensai discussed with me my strengths but also where he felt i wasnt so comfortable. so next day i was back at wing chun with some things to work on. surely this is what its all about
Precisely. Repetition solidifies your response time and your anticipatory abilities. The first time you do Chi Sao for instance, it's confusing, especially when you start your step-in punch. But after a while it becomes second nature. Chi Sao was designed for both attacker and defender to train in how to hold their ground. I remember my first time, I was falling back, but my Sifu said "you're actually stepping back because you're uncomfortable with him being so close...."
.....and he was right. I was giving him ground because, in my mind, distance fighting is what I was used to. Once you learn to root yourself and never give ground, then you not only HOLD your ground, but you CLAIM your attacker's ground. That's the entire idea behind Chi Sao. Another poster on another channel called this "superstitious rubbish," which made me shake my head in dismay. He's usually the sort of fellow who leaves himself way open to get flattened during a fight.
@ebalim actually jet li is a master in 3 diferent wushu styles n jackie chan is a master in drunken style kungfu n some type of wrestling n donnie yen is a wing chun master n you can use thiss in a street fight what r u talking about if ben to china almost a million times and i have seen sum real martial art friendly fights luk like movies just like some movies
@ebalim actually jet li is a master in 3 diferent wushu styles n jackie chan is a master in drunken style kungfu n some type of wrestling n donnie yen is a wing chun master
@hgamer XD you expect to use this dumb shit in a street fight? pal, I am sure you watched so many movies that you can't see the reality. jackie chan, jet li, donnie yen these are movie characters! not real! XD i think you are the stupid one : O
@hgamer LOL! As soon as a WC teacher isn't a fat old long haired "Chi Storing" master... people have a problem. Love your reply, finally there is a WC master with balls for once, not one of those "Non agressive masters". WTF? You need fucking energy to fight! I love your videos! You have energy.
@ebalim It may seem stupid to you and you must be thinking , " Why the hell don they use legs to kick , and in the modern world right now , you don have time to do all this crap " Last time I had the same thinking as you , treating this video like crap ! But you might not know , wing chun is one of the best defensive martial art . For me , i think wing chun is very good in their defense . Trust me , if you ever met Wing Chun master, try to hit them :D
@ebalim this stupid thing as you call it works to kick your ass idiot, you think that doesn't in teh street fight well bad to you, if you'd be front of me i'd teach you, but for a bad luck you're not
this is a very good demo. the most important part is to feel every movement that the opponent made and learn how to response with both/single hand-blocking. practise it slowliy and later master it in quick response.
ving tsun is a fighting system. A fighting system is designed to take down your opponent. This guy is only blocking and blocking in a way that makes it difficult for himself to attack. I think they do not understand the concept of ving tsun
@Friedrichwsl I could be wrong on this one but that guy that is blocking is Augustine Fong. If it is then you are going to be hard pressed to find anyone else in the whole world that knows much more about Wing Chun then him.
I don't know Augustine Fong. The thing is, I am not really interested who he is, only in the answers that he can give me. When you say he knows a lot about wing chun, this simply isn't an argument. I just criticized his movements, they are very defense and too much focussed on chasing the hands of his opponent instead of hitting the opponent. Can anyone explain his movements?
@Friedrichwsl Augustine Fong's Wing Chun is legitimate, he trained under Ho Kam Ming who was a direct disciple and one of YM's favorites (Especially known for upholding Ho Kam Ming's schools reputation.), Anyways they're doing a demonstration and it says specifically "SUPERIOR BLOCKING" not superior engagement, or superior domination or anything of the like. Fong is showing how to block against attacks not counter or engage.
@JcityRedKnight This is just show..In my opinion this is too slow even for demo.Chi sao is needed for 0,05 of sec when u touch the opponent.If u stay steady is unreal cause the punches in your face is not steady.It is just a game.
patty cake, patty cake, lol just joking with sense of humor, But I my self want to learn wing chun as A hobby just in case A group of 4 people wanna fight me for no reason, self protection etc If I do learn it really good I might bring it into mma but I wanna be as good as IP man, I have the speed agility and strength so ill just practice it and see where I go with it.
@mewatchesutube i don't know what it is about this video, but your like the 50th person who decided to come out about his sexuality because of this.... be proud
Dang - at 1:58 Fong steps out of the way as if he knew what was coming! That's what I'm talking about! This was one of the first few videos I checked out when I 1st got into WC, and it looks even better now!
I only see an arm flexing as if punching... sticky hands tend to present artificial punching. Unlike boxing, you punch with the intent to hit. sticky hands is hand play with no intention to punch. this to me looks like paddy cake bakers hand.. with no intention to score a punch or punches.. just look at the arm that punches, looks like flexing... serves no purchase unless you go all out. If you engage by bridging the gap, finish up with real punches
@netbeans01 - What you see here is simply an exercise to increase arm sensitivity. Where it becomes useful is in close combat situation. The best example I can give is when playing American Football. You will notice a lot of pushing and pulling attempts to achieve a tackle. With Chi Sau you can deflect those attempts in addition deflect striking attempts and strike back. It will obviously not look the same in a real situation. But for me I prefer Thai style striking and blocking.
@iApna - Carrying on with the football example compared to street fights a lot of people will attempt to grab your shirt, pull you to the ground, throw you, etc... to overwhelm you. Deflecting those attempts are essential. It wont work against experienced fighters/strikers who know better than simply leaving their arms out to be grabbed. Experienced fighters also know better or should know better than to simply stand their and brawl.
you got it iapna, all these retards saying double legs are the only way to take down a person what they also forget is you can control your opponent in close range combat, example alot of times you dont have time to get in stances or walk somewhere and get space, you might have a guy in your face and he grabs your shirt ,that is the time to begin, well with wrestle its simple what do if a guy reaches out and grabs with one arm ,you grab the 2 on 1 position and really get him to lean
get him to lean over and then from their u can knee him in the face, or take him down if a guy grabs your shirt with both arms bam double whizzer and u can inside trip or do a tao toshi ,if a guy reaches to grab the back of your head again two on one to knee like the first example ...if a guy jabs his finger or hand into your chest grab the wrist grab his head etc ..real grappling for real street scenarios , tired of these clowns who think wrestling is two guys taking turns doing
doing double legs on each other , its obvious these guys dont have fighting experience in sport or the street,if anything grappling is more effective for street fighting than wing chun ,and it works when u yer fighting and the guys buddy jumps in, wahts better trying to throw punches and blocking the initial opponents strikes , while at the same time trying to see where his buddy is and dodging his punches , or completely controlling a guy (most people dont know how to really
*(dont really know how to wrestle) so if u tie them up , you basically have control to do what u please anyhow , yer controlling the guy kneeing him and his friend sees and starts to get closer, you can push the guy u were dominating and run (i dont advise fighting 2 on 1) yer vision is clear u can see his buddy, you dont have to worry about getting hit by one guy and dodgin another guys, which position wud u wing chunners rather be in, I am not typing this really for iapna.
I only see an arm flexing as if punching... sticky hands tend to present artificial punching. Unlike boxing, you punch with the intent to hit. sticky hands is hand play with no intention to punch. this to me looks like paddy cake bakers hand.. with no intention to score a punch or punches.. just look at the arm that punches, looks like flexing... serves no purchase unless you go all out. If you engage by bridging the gap, finish up with real punches
I only see an arm flexing as if punching... sticky hands tend to present artificial punching. Unlike boxing, you punch with the intent to hit. sticky hands is hand play with no intention to punch. this to me looks like paddy cake bakers hand.. with no intention to score a punch or punches.. just look at the arm that punches, looks like flexing... serves no purchase unless you go all out. If you engage by bridging the gap, finish up with real punches!
I know this video is from 5 years ago and I'm sure your technique has improved but I see that your are really stiff if you watch your hands and your sifus you can see the difference and I know for a fact that stiff arms are controlable arms unless you practice a form of wing chun I dont know about, do you?
That was an intense video! Out of curiosity, how does a master of wing chun compare to a master of muay thai? I've been a practitioner of muay thai for a few years and i've recently been thinking about practicing/learning wing chun.
@hgamer i practise both... the theoretical site of wing chun is fun.. not very practical tho... combine the hard wing chun punches with muay thai kicks and they go well perfectly .. ^^
@DotaHelm the theory isn't flawed in either development or application its just people don't know how to execute it, and blame wing chun for their failings instead of themselves
to me i think weither your countering or trapping or reflecting off of the punch or kick or such it doesnt matter as long as it is effective .. as long as you are out of danger
@VikingII "sticky hands" or chi sau is a form of close range sparring drill to exchange techniques with a partner in a controlled manner, it develops sensitivity to the movements and energy of an opponents whole body, not just their hands. You can defend and counter attack a lot faster when you can feel what someone is trying to do, rather than just relying on your eyes. It is not meant to be taken as a real life fight scenario, but the skills are very valuable in a real fight.
@VikingII "sticky hands" or chi sau is a form of close range sparring drill to exchange techniques with a partner in a controlled manner, it develops sensitivity to the movements and energy of an opponents whole body, not just their hands. You can defend and counter attack a lot faster when you can feel what someone is trying to do, rather than just relying on your eyes. It is not meant to be taken as a real life fight scenario, but the skills are very valuable in a real fight.
@VikingII "sticky hands" or chi sau is a form of close range sparring drill to exchange techniques with a partner in a controlled manner, it develops sensitivity to the movements and energy of an opponents whole body, not just their hands. You can defend and counter attack a lot faster when you can feel what someone is trying to do, rather than just relying on your eyes. It is not meant to be taken as a real life fight scenario, but the skills are very valuable in a real fight.
@VikingII It doesn't happen like that but it develops your reactions and deflections. Also you're trained to stick with your opponent so it comes into play then too.
@VikingII in a real fight, sometimes it will start with someone grabbling your hands, maybe someone trying to grab your shirt or push you into a wall. even against a person punching staright on. this is just one kind of drill, wing chun has alot of aspects.
@VikingII - These fellows are just doing sensitivity drills - this is not wingchun boxing. Chi Sho (sticky hands) is simply a way to increase awareness visually and physically. It helps us with timing when we see a punch or kick coming and how to respond quickly. But as I said again, it is not the sparring part of Wing Chun.
@VikingII The sticky hands isn't a demonstration of a genuine fighting application, you have to remember this is wing chun vs wing chun and practice drills. The chances of meeting a fighter in a pub who does wing chun is very unlikely and when that person goes to punch you, you'll know exactly which move to use to defend, counter and end his life.
@hgamer sorry, I say what i think ^^(I am bad for english) But you think u can't break that bone with your strenght? That block is useless. (Go to practice heliquan now.)
@TheKindplayer I can with a baseball bat, but that aint Wing Chun mate. Might at well be playing checkers with a chessboard. Try to say less and open your eyes and ears.
If you dont know what you are doing against a experienced WC fighter, in a real fight or street fight, you would have one of your arm's, knee's and neck broken in about 2 secs. MMA fighters are tough, but WC fighters are lethal. and lets not forget one of the greatest fighters of our time, Bruce Lee, who created Jeet Kune Do using primarily WC as it's base of creation. So Bruce Lee is PROOF Wing Chun is a useful system. im not saying its unbeatable, just dont turn it away as "Kung Fu Shmum Fu".
@chaseton215 - You cannot paint every MMA and WC fighter with the same brush. 90% of all Wing chunner's never spar or never fight. Whereas 75% of all MMA practitioners do spar the remaining 25% stay in the beginners level where they don't have to spar and perfectly fine with just the skills development and conditioning.
Applying skills in a stressful situation such as a street fight is difficult unless you have been psychologically prepared for it. How to prepare? Spar Pro fighters.
@iApna the only reason i said anything about MMA, is because that is what most people compare any style to these days. i should ask, why dont you see a shoalin monk ever fight in a MMA fight? rules and regulations. when you train like a MMA fighter, or a Western boxer, or any other stlye, that person will usually only use what they know. this is why when you see a boxer get in a street fight he will pretty much always only use his hands. TKD will mostly only use thier legs.
@chaseton215 - I have sparred Wing Chun practitioners, boxers, TKD, Karate, other Kung-Fu practitioners, etc. The hardest to spar are grapplers. But assuming we keep it standing and no ground fighting allowed, the hardest after that are Thai boxers, Western boxers, TKD practitioners and some forms of Karate. What makes the biggest difference? Not their skills. But their fight psychology.Taking a hit, walking right through it, not showing any signs of fatigue or pain and still hitting back hard.
@iApna yup, very hard to fight guys that are tough and willing to take the pain. the only thing i could add is this may be adjusted when weapons (knife, club) are involved. that first hit could pretty well end the fight.
@iApna MMA guys are more rounded, but most of those guys are just thier to fight, there is no real fighting knowledge in some of those guys besides being in a couple street fights out side of the ring. dont get me wrong, that doesnt apply to everyone. but rules and regulations are the main thing here. stick a shoalin guy with no rules in the ring with a mma fighter..... im willing to bet the MMA fighter will have his leg broken while he is still standing in a few seconds.
@iApna hence MMA fighters know how to avoid a knockout, but not broken arms, legs or necks they dont train for that kind of stuff. and i dont care how big you are. if you think you can take a hit to the throat, you will drop instantly and start vomiting all over the place while gasping for air. its not fun. in WC we train to hit vital parts. MMA you dont. so as a WC practicioner, im thinking of "how i can possibly kill this man while he stands". MMA you are thinking "how can i score a knockout"
@iApna those are two very different mind sets while training. which in my experience will lead to 2 very different types of fighting and situation outcomes. i appriciate the comments though, im not trying to suggest im right and your wrong or anything like that. and its very hard to express a full opinion on these subjects without using at least 1,000 or more
@chaseton215 - I think you're completely mistaken about MMA fighters. Understand something very clearly, MMA fighters train to break their opponents quickly. But you don't see many injuries in the ring because they are not talked about much also MMA fighters work hard on conditioning every part of the body to take the hits because you cannot block everything. The ideal situation is knocking out your opponent with 1 strike. You can do whatever you want to the person once he's knocked out.
@iApna dont get me wrong, ive seen some serious injuries in MMA. but when you talk about conditioning of the body, that all depends on the person, how far they want to take themselves in conditioning. ive aslo seen some fairly non athletic MMA fighters, and they usually get owned in the ring by the more fit guy. so yes, physical fitness will take you far. helps to take the physical bashing. but just because you havent seen a WC guy train his body doesnt meen they are not out there.
@chaseton215 - Like you said in MMA training we train to knock people out cold quickly but also break their limbs in the most efficient way possible. Thats why you see many knockouts and tapouts in MMA. If the fighter doesn't tap the result is normally passing out due to choke or broken limbs. If you get knocked out in the street or your limbs are broken what are you going to do? There is no referee to stop the MMA fighter from breaking your arms, legs, neck, etc...
@iApna but being strong wont get all the way. so let me ask you, what is "efficient" to you. i think of efficiency as being straight and to the point, with as little energy being expelled as possible. this is actually why you will see a lot of videos of WC practioners looking relaxed as they train. in fighting, you should be as calm as though you are just washing dishes. relaxed and clear headed. learning how to control adrenaline is a big step as well, it is unpredictable as to what it will do.
@chaseton215 - Learning to be calm and relaxed is a big part of learning Muay-Thai. Hence the continuous sparring, conditioning, etc... You cannot learn to be relaxed without hard sparring. You cannot win a fight if you're constantly exhausting yourself being nervous and out of control. Your definition of efficiency is the same as mine. But it also plays into body mechanics. In Muay-Thai we want to deliver a hardest, fastest strike possible but also transition to the next strike quickly.
@chaseton215 - In summary, there is nothing more efficient than knocking someone out cold. Because your opponent is at your mercy. The second most efficient way of dealing with someone is breaking their limbs or neck. This is obviously risky if on the street due to outside interference. I can make a choice in killing someone once they are completely broken on the ground or knocked out cold. Likely I would walk away with their ID in hand.
@iApna and i dont agree with that knocking someone out cold is efficient. you have to be efficient to knock someone out, like constantly adjusting to thier moves, changing angles to make for a better strike to deliver more power in micro seconds, and not to mention what i think is most important... dexterity and speed. if you cant hit your target at the right time quick enough, you shouldnt even through a punch. it is then wasted movement. kind like throwing haymakers, they are slow and obvious.
@chaseton215 - What I don't see in Wing Chun classes or clips is the intensity. Wing Chun can definitely be effective on the street against street thugs if trained to deal with pressure (not just skills). But the lack of intensity is missing. There is speed for sure, but that does not translate to intensity. I see the chain punching which I do like.
Here is a clip of some guys doing pad work:
/watch?v=zJu29b_uaZE
Just one of those strike can split someone's skull open or crush ribs.
@iApna now intensity is a bit diferent in WC, i will give you that. the goal for WC is to be cool, calm, then explode at the right moment, which is why all the training you probably see is 2 guys stading there doing sticky hands. but intensity doesnt mean knockout power. power is generated through body mechanics Example: 1 Iinch punch , which can deliver extraordinary amounts of power from very short distances due to proper muscle and joint cordination.
@chaseton215 - I don't see what you're saying translate into the hundreds of WC clips I have seen here. What is practiced vs what is applied in WC are two completely different things. This is evident in all the clips.
The training in WC is flawed in my opinion. It might not have been many many years ago. Or perhaps it was but unknown. Because of Youtube we now can truly compare the arts and look deeper. Prior to Youtube it was impossible to do.
@iApna this video of these to guys doing sticky hands can be applied very easly. Ex: lets say, boxer throws a punch. the WC guy then responds with a simple check to avoid the hit and moves in closer to start placing his hands on the boxer's hands. mind you, all this happens in under a second.the boxer cant through a punch now because WC guy has his hands occupied with basic sticky hands causing him to only backaway to regain control of his arms for punching or be the better hand trap artist.
@chaseton215 - The problem is I don't think you understand the level of force a Thai practitioner uses in his strikes. Checks, blocks, etc.. all can work of course but unless you have the conditioning you can still sustain heavy injury. In fact I love it when someone blocks my kicks with their forearms. Shin vs forearm which will win? Also trying to catch a experienced boxers hands would be nearly impossible and dangerous. Imagine someone like Ramon Dekkers or Mike Tyson Not a chance bros.
@iApna i know what you are saying, i used to compete back in the day. and i honestly see the same problem in most MMA fighters at my gym as on television in that they lack actual ability. let me put it this way. a guy how has trained his side kick or roundhouse kick in TaeKwonDo can execute that kick in fractions of a second with perfect form and amazing power through flawless techniuqe.
@iApna i think the guy training in hand traps his whole life would win that outcome. but from what i think you are trying to say, is that because in the training videos you see, WC lacks people really trying to punch each other, or your deffinition of "intensity", that makes for good training and a better fighter? in my classes, we would train with the intent of being in a fight. like i said, it depends on the person, and how far they are willing to go to take them selves to that limit.
I saw several instances where the 'attacker' looked like he was purposely missing palm strikes. It looked somewhat as to give the Sensi a good look... Some spear hands looked that way also.
antifatbastard 2 days ago
I live in Charlotte, NC and was wondering is there is anywhere good for me to learn Wing Chun. Thanks!
TheCheungo 1 week ago
Awesome. He is like a rock!
MrrRobAms 2 weeks ago
@MrrRobAms this is a rock that can hit back
hgamer 1 week ago 2
One word .. WOW !
legroulx1 1 month ago
maybe thats how devils live ?
goatphilososphy 1 month ago
I am guessing there is many moves in Wing Chun, but is there a set of most useful or favorite moves people use?
BlackMasterJoe89 1 month ago
Awsome looks like fun...
BuddhaZenMind 1 month ago
Just kick him... dont wave with those hands... come on kick him with your leg in the groins or headbutt him ... and then you will erase that fake smile from his face .
Crazyneutron 2 months ago
Жирному просто надо было сильнее бить - тогда тип справа не отмахался бы!
stomozan 3 months ago in playlist Kung - Fu
In a fight with a smart opponent from what I can see he would be read real fast, he should take his left hand and use it more, Im guessing he's right handed. He's pretty fast. From what I can read on the comments, people believe this to be a fighting issue, this is an art, not some sort of "who can beat who.."
XIIIX 3 months ago
Really.. you don't wanna fool around hands up fighting with a guy good at chi sao... just go for the takedown and ground n pound him.
DC180 3 months ago
Hi, I'm about to start training some martial arts, and I'm thinking about Wing Chun and Kickboxing.
I love the arm work, speed and discipline of Wing Chun, but, I also like the power and kicks in KB.
Can someone please tell me something about WC or KB?
Does WC help in a fight etc.?
Schile23 3 months ago
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meow91able 3 months ago
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@Schile23 Well i dont know about KB..but i know WC and yes WC can help you in a fight...it not all about the style you learn.It only depends on how well you used it. *i learn WC*
meow91able 3 months ago
@Schile23 In the end it all comes down on how you learn, master and purpose. I've found WC discipline to work in everyday tasks,situations. I highly recommend you to train WC, I don't recommend this if you want to be the attacker.(It goes against one of the principles, the best fight is that which doesn't take place)
XIIIX 3 months ago
@Schile23 - Most SIFU have no fight experience nor can you validate any stories they tell you. I highly suggest sticking to Muay-Thai for now then transition to MMA in the future. Look for Wing Chun fight clips. You will not find anything decent. One would think after 200 or more years of existence there would be something worth watching on Wing Chun. There is a lot on Muay-Thai however.
Check out: /watch?v=yJgf508nU4s
Fight like Ramon Dekkers or clap hands like Gary Lam? Up to you.
iApna 3 months ago 2
I can see that they are clearly at different level so do you mind if I ask you which onw your sifu is and where do you come from?
haochen111 4 months ago
Ofcourse it will work in a real fight, if you practice this close like wing chun guys do then in a real fight when someone charges at your with a huge hook its way easier to stop that since your used to blocking stuff at point blank
AsG1989 4 months ago
@AsG1989 True :)
meow91able 3 months ago
hgamer, ur teacher in this vid reminds me of one of mine i had. he always was a good sport and made me feel i was doing good against him even when i was nowhere close to making him push his skills lol. i miss working out
lawngnome412 5 months ago
Hey I'm seeking to learn Wing Chun and was wondering if you could create a video to help me start out on a few drills. I am searching for a school right now, but would love it and would greatly appreciate a beginners video. Thanks!
MrTimCave 6 months ago
That was the best chi sao sparring I have ever seen. Master Wong blocked almost the entire session. I think virtually nothing got through. Brilliant display of free style sparring. Been a while since I have seen any wing chun this good on YouTube.... +1
giuliocc 6 months ago
1:33 ninja relex!!! didnt even see it
SinisterAnimationS 6 months ago
I tried to find a school teaching this. No luck. I feel like crying. T.T
tehnolifeable 6 months ago
imho this is a much more interesting chi sao demo comparing to a lot of so called dai sifu vids meant to charme pit fighters and muscled beaters!
BrutalKungFu 6 months ago
Supperior eh? good for you. I hope it will work in the real match for you.
vietreal 6 months ago
@vietreal it will
hgamer 6 months ago 35
@vietreal Real match ? Sport or Self defense ?
wondeguy 6 months ago
@vietreal u have no idea... in a fight again someone who knows, not those wannabes, wing chun u wont be able to touch any part of his body besides his hands and feet!!
okomusch 6 months ago
@vietreal who gives a fuck bout 'the match'. it'll work in the real fight where there aint pussy-ass condoms on your hands and head
iwannacommentfool 5 months ago
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@vietreal said "I hope it will work in the real match for you."
What is a real match? Only a faggot would, willingly, participate in a street fight. If that what you mean.
newtubetubetube 2 months ago
@vietreal yup it does work..
SoulSilverInferno 1 month ago
@msoon77 that's what makes em tards, so i frankly i don't care...... as for the low bong sau, you have to think in terms of distance...... allot of people were saying, you could've hit him in the early part of the video... clearly these are individuals who don't understand, that the purpose is not to touch a person in a fight, but to actually be in proper distance to hit...... trust me, at no point in the video was i even close
hgamer 6 months ago
@hgamer Hey hgamer can you tell me what the essential key is in this video is it his stance his triangle or his forward intend
animecool999 4 months ago
FONG CHI WING! :D
awsomeman93 6 months ago
the guy is SET!!!! I bet he is like a friggin tree
chillbrotha01 6 months ago 3
@chillbrotha01 his stance is like a mountain, and his body feels like adamantium steel
hgamer 6 months ago 8
@hgamer I just started training. My sifu is awesome. This guy was doing a stick drill with me and was dominating me with one hand. Were learning how to use the ground to feel the other persons center when we are working our drills. I love wing chun.
chillbrotha01 6 months ago
@chillbrotha01
Wait until you get into locks and breaks, and the blindfold test :) You're gonna' love it.
MaestroDraven 6 months ago
@hgamer I can vouch for you on that. I live in tucson and have had the luxury of actually training with sifu Fong. On one occasion he used me as a volunteer to demonstrate the application of pak sau during rolling sticky hands. Some how I managed to graze his midsection with some part of my arm when we were rolling. Not to imply that I got through. I have a better chance of winning the bronze in women's gymnastics than actually hitting him. But I was shocked by how solid his stomach was.
mikeisss79 4 months ago in playlist AUGUSTINE FONG
@hgamer not to hate, but does he have a six pack? hmmm, i guess wing chun is not the answer to everything
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lonhillyer 3 months ago
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@dimezthemagicprodusa It's not about whether one's stomach is sticking out a bit or how flat it is or how one thinks it should look cosmetically, it's about how strong the inside of that stomach intestines are and how it repels or responds to the intense contact received. At least, that's one way to look at it.
lonhillyer 3 months ago
fantastic redirection!
Jasonuo 7 months ago
some people dont seem to understand that this is a demonstration. he didnt strike back because that wasnt what he demonstrating. and as for it being useless in a fight situation, again understand its just a training technique. master jim fung once showed its application in a fight and that demo lasted seconds. if you dont understand something dont judge it ask questions
fatmancue 7 months ago
@fatmancue
Most Wing Chun bashers say what they say because they see videos like this and draw conclusions. It's always sad to see such inexperienced and uneducated people make assumptions about a martial art based on the most straightforward and standard drills. If they took the time to realize that there's a reason for everything they're watching, they'd understand the violent killing potential of the martial art and why it's so bloody dangerous. It's a shame.
MaestroDraven 6 months ago 2
@MaestroDraven well said.what is also a shame is that we all have a love of martial arts in common so just show some respect. my son does a type of karate so i went along last week and joined a lesson and it was good fun . i think we could all learn something from each other. just need to be more open minded and as i said show respect
fatmancue 6 months ago
@fatmancue
Very much so. Learning multiple martial arts can't possibly hurt. The problem is that most people who learn multiple martial arts never learn any one art to it's full extent. It's a lot like a fellow who brags about playing the guitar, bass, and drums at the same time, but he's a novice-level at all three. That's where the disadvantage comes from. I always recommend that folks stick to one martial art and learn it in-depth before moving on to another.
MaestroDraven 6 months ago
@MaestroDraven my sons karate had been doing something very similar to sticking hands and were going to spend the whole lesson doing it ,5 minute rounds before changing partners,so when offered the chance to join in i jumped at it. i was impressed with their fitness and with a couple their speed. after their sensai discussed with me my strengths but also where he felt i wasnt so comfortable. so next day i was back at wing chun with some things to work on. surely this is what its all about
fatmancue 6 months ago
@fatmancue
Precisely. Repetition solidifies your response time and your anticipatory abilities. The first time you do Chi Sao for instance, it's confusing, especially when you start your step-in punch. But after a while it becomes second nature. Chi Sao was designed for both attacker and defender to train in how to hold their ground. I remember my first time, I was falling back, but my Sifu said "you're actually stepping back because you're uncomfortable with him being so close...."
MaestroDraven 6 months ago
@fatmancue
.....and he was right. I was giving him ground because, in my mind, distance fighting is what I was used to. Once you learn to root yourself and never give ground, then you not only HOLD your ground, but you CLAIM your attacker's ground. That's the entire idea behind Chi Sao. Another poster on another channel called this "superstitious rubbish," which made me shake my head in dismay. He's usually the sort of fellow who leaves himself way open to get flattened during a fight.
MaestroDraven 6 months ago
@MaestroDraven good talking to you and @hgamer thanks for sharing this
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ozoboy14 7 months ago
And then he decided to kick.
hehan9 7 months ago
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This is when you grab the bony old mans arms, throw him to the ground and finish him by stomping his neck
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xXGripenXx 7 months ago
@ebalim actually jet li is a master in 3 diferent wushu styles n jackie chan is a master in drunken style kungfu n some type of wrestling n donnie yen is a wing chun master n you can use thiss in a street fight what r u talking about if ben to china almost a million times and i have seen sum real martial art friendly fights luk like movies just like some movies
YOUNGSMASH20 7 months ago
@ebalim actually jet li is a master in 3 diferent wushu styles n jackie chan is a master in drunken style kungfu n some type of wrestling n donnie yen is a wing chun master
YOUNGSMASH20 7 months ago
Patty cake patty cake bakers man roll em up roll em up and throw em in the pan - yay
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Bye
texas3056 7 months ago 2
THIS IS THE MOST STUPID THING I HAVE EVER SEEN.
ebalim 7 months ago
@ebalim look in the mirror and you'll have a new #1 stupid thing
hgamer 7 months ago 56
@hgamer XD you expect to use this dumb shit in a street fight? pal, I am sure you watched so many movies that you can't see the reality. jackie chan, jet li, donnie yen these are movie characters! not real! XD i think you are the stupid one : O
ebalim 7 months ago
@hgamer rofl
kalou 7 months ago
@hgamer LOL! As soon as a WC teacher isn't a fat old long haired "Chi Storing" master... people have a problem. Love your reply, finally there is a WC master with balls for once, not one of those "Non agressive masters". WTF? You need fucking energy to fight! I love your videos! You have energy.
HybridDragons 7 months ago
@ebalim It may seem stupid to you and you must be thinking , " Why the hell don they use legs to kick , and in the modern world right now , you don have time to do all this crap " Last time I had the same thinking as you , treating this video like crap ! But you might not know , wing chun is one of the best defensive martial art . For me , i think wing chun is very good in their defense . Trust me , if you ever met Wing Chun master, try to hit them :D
chungzheng 7 months ago
@ebalim this stupid thing as you call it works to kick your ass idiot, you think that doesn't in teh street fight well bad to you, if you'd be front of me i'd teach you, but for a bad luck you're not
disturbedtriple6 4 months ago
Wow those 2 are pretty good!
My respect for that bro!
DaJers1994 8 months ago
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ozoboy14 7 months ago
@nebula25x thank god he didn't otherwise i can't go to prom
hgamer 8 months ago 4
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sillumwingchun 8 months ago
@sillumwingchun you must've been in the special ed class when he was teaching
hgamer 8 months ago
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sillumwingchun 8 months ago
Excellent work, I invite my system aver wing tsun, best regards from Spain
alejandrocastr 8 months ago
this is a very good demo. the most important part is to feel every movement that the opponent made and learn how to response with both/single hand-blocking. practise it slowliy and later master it in quick response.
januarydriver 8 months ago
I feel like mr. Fong is demonstrating just one particular aspect of defence? He seems like playing rather than fighting. It looks impressive..
jurekkiler 8 months ago
@huttmaster hi king of noobs...
hgamer 8 months ago 4
ving tsun is a fighting system. A fighting system is designed to take down your opponent. This guy is only blocking and blocking in a way that makes it difficult for himself to attack. I think they do not understand the concept of ving tsun
Friedrichwsl 8 months ago
@Friedrichwsl i think you should look in the mirror and ask yourself... how come i know nothing about wing chun
hgamer 8 months ago
@hgamer Since you are not responding to my argument, I assume you do not know how to defend your teacher?
Friedrichwsl 8 months ago
@Friedrichwsl i think your just an idiot... that's why i'm not responding..
hgamer 8 months ago
@Friedrichwsl I could be wrong on this one but that guy that is blocking is Augustine Fong. If it is then you are going to be hard pressed to find anyone else in the whole world that knows much more about Wing Chun then him.
wayoftheforesthand 8 months ago
@wayoftheforesthand
I don't know Augustine Fong. The thing is, I am not really interested who he is, only in the answers that he can give me. When you say he knows a lot about wing chun, this simply isn't an argument. I just criticized his movements, they are very defense and too much focussed on chasing the hands of his opponent instead of hitting the opponent. Can anyone explain his movements?
Friedrichwsl 8 months ago
@Friedrichwsl Augustine Fong's Wing Chun is legitimate, he trained under Ho Kam Ming who was a direct disciple and one of YM's favorites (Especially known for upholding Ho Kam Ming's schools reputation.), Anyways they're doing a demonstration and it says specifically "SUPERIOR BLOCKING" not superior engagement, or superior domination or anything of the like. Fong is showing how to block against attacks not counter or engage.
Arbiter1231 8 months ago
fantastic display of technique =D
MultiDippa 8 months ago
for any dumbass leaving retarded comments about this, how bout YOU try landing a hit on this guy!
TheRed343 8 months ago
NOW I KNOW WHO TAUGHT THE GIRLS HOW TO PATTY CAKE LMAO
ScrapeThoj 8 months ago
Really good! I like wing chun even tough I don't have experience with it (I practice Hapkido). However I like the defensive moves of wing chung a lot!
I also like the way you train, relaxed and with a smile on your face but still serious about the art of wing chun. Just how it should be.
Kind regards
simjacobs 8 months ago
just saw the guy on the left in another demo , he's a killing machine
distraktosaurus1 9 months ago
jwhy this is not real? because he is not trying to hit him
JcityRedKnight 9 months ago
@JcityRedKnight This is just show..In my opinion this is too slow even for demo.Chi sao is needed for 0,05 of sec when u touch the opponent.If u stay steady is unreal cause the punches in your face is not steady.It is just a game.
dlvt79 9 months ago
reminds me of my old friend ... he was THE thumb wrestling master!
TheBamBamBoom 9 months ago
look like these guy taking the oppurtunity to feel on each other haha
iluvbigbootie 9 months ago
That was amazing.
Jasper50 9 months ago
Master Fong is a great teacher. Wing Chun, like Kali-Eskrima is superior to MMA.
naumutroi 9 months ago
patty cake, patty cake, lol just joking with sense of humor, But I my self want to learn wing chun as A hobby just in case A group of 4 people wanna fight me for no reason, self protection etc If I do learn it really good I might bring it into mma but I wanna be as good as IP man, I have the speed agility and strength so ill just practice it and see where I go with it.
swat305GINO 9 months ago
gay.
mewatchesutube 9 months ago
@mewatchesutube i don't know what it is about this video, but your like the 50th person who decided to come out about his sexuality because of this.... be proud
hgamer 9 months ago 16
@hgamer
wow, not only is wing chun a great martial art to improve health but a closet opener for some people lol.
BlackMasterJoe89 9 months ago
Dang - at 1:58 Fong steps out of the way as if he knew what was coming! That's what I'm talking about! This was one of the first few videos I checked out when I 1st got into WC, and it looks even better now!
holygroove2 9 months ago
@holygroove2 he feels everything
hgamer 9 months ago
augustine fong?the mans a genius!
yulaw3 9 months ago
@yulaw3 no one comes close
hgamer 9 months ago
@hgamer too true
yulaw3 9 months ago
I only see an arm flexing as if punching... sticky hands tend to present artificial punching. Unlike boxing, you punch with the intent to hit. sticky hands is hand play with no intention to punch. this to me looks like paddy cake bakers hand.. with no intention to score a punch or punches.. just look at the arm that punches, looks like flexing... serves no purchase unless you go all out. If you engage by bridging the gap, finish up with real punches
netbeans01 10 months ago
@netbeans01 - What you see here is simply an exercise to increase arm sensitivity. Where it becomes useful is in close combat situation. The best example I can give is when playing American Football. You will notice a lot of pushing and pulling attempts to achieve a tackle. With Chi Sau you can deflect those attempts in addition deflect striking attempts and strike back. It will obviously not look the same in a real situation. But for me I prefer Thai style striking and blocking.
iApna 10 months ago
@iApna - Carrying on with the football example compared to street fights a lot of people will attempt to grab your shirt, pull you to the ground, throw you, etc... to overwhelm you. Deflecting those attempts are essential. It wont work against experienced fighters/strikers who know better than simply leaving their arms out to be grabbed. Experienced fighters also know better or should know better than to simply stand their and brawl.
iApna 10 months ago
@iApna
you got it iapna, all these retards saying double legs are the only way to take down a person what they also forget is you can control your opponent in close range combat, example alot of times you dont have time to get in stances or walk somewhere and get space, you might have a guy in your face and he grabs your shirt ,that is the time to begin, well with wrestle its simple what do if a guy reaches out and grabs with one arm ,you grab the 2 on 1 position and really get him to lean
samtotheg 10 months ago
@samtotheg
get him to lean over and then from their u can knee him in the face, or take him down if a guy grabs your shirt with both arms bam double whizzer and u can inside trip or do a tao toshi ,if a guy reaches to grab the back of your head again two on one to knee like the first example ...if a guy jabs his finger or hand into your chest grab the wrist grab his head etc ..real grappling for real street scenarios , tired of these clowns who think wrestling is two guys taking turns doing
samtotheg 10 months ago
@samtotheg
doing double legs on each other , its obvious these guys dont have fighting experience in sport or the street,if anything grappling is more effective for street fighting than wing chun ,and it works when u yer fighting and the guys buddy jumps in, wahts better trying to throw punches and blocking the initial opponents strikes , while at the same time trying to see where his buddy is and dodging his punches , or completely controlling a guy (most people dont know how to really
samtotheg 10 months ago
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*(dont really know how to wrestle) so if u tie them up , you basically have control to do what u please anyhow , yer controlling the guy kneeing him and his friend sees and starts to get closer, you can push the guy u were dominating and run (i dont advise fighting 2 on 1) yer vision is clear u can see his buddy, you dont have to worry about getting hit by one guy and dodgin another guys, which position wud u wing chunners rather be in, I am not typing this really for iapna.
samtotheg 10 months ago
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I only see an arm flexing as if punching... sticky hands tend to present artificial punching. Unlike boxing, you punch with the intent to hit. sticky hands is hand play with no intention to punch. this to me looks like paddy cake bakers hand.. with no intention to score a punch or punches.. just look at the arm that punches, looks like flexing... serves no purchase unless you go all out. If you engage by bridging the gap, finish up with real punches
netbeans01 10 months ago
I only see an arm flexing as if punching... sticky hands tend to present artificial punching. Unlike boxing, you punch with the intent to hit. sticky hands is hand play with no intention to punch. this to me looks like paddy cake bakers hand.. with no intention to score a punch or punches.. just look at the arm that punches, looks like flexing... serves no purchase unless you go all out. If you engage by bridging the gap, finish up with real punches!
netbeans01 10 months ago
I know this video is from 5 years ago and I'm sure your technique has improved but I see that your are really stiff if you watch your hands and your sifus you can see the difference and I know for a fact that stiff arms are controlable arms unless you practice a form of wing chun I dont know about, do you?
lepcook 10 months ago
Once again, Grand Master Fong is the Man!
sk8ites 10 months ago
That was an intense video! Out of curiosity, how does a master of wing chun compare to a master of muay thai? I've been a practitioner of muay thai for a few years and i've recently been thinking about practicing/learning wing chun.
HumanLarva 10 months ago
@HumanLarva both arts are good, but you to me you can't mix the two together....
hgamer 10 months ago
@hgamer yea, I really feel they don't mix together either; maybe Black Adam can do it, but no one else! Thanks :)
HumanLarva 10 months ago
@hgamer i practise both... the theoretical site of wing chun is fun.. not very practical tho... combine the hard wing chun punches with muay thai kicks and they go well perfectly .. ^^
DotaHelm 9 months ago
@DotaHelm the theory isn't flawed in either development or application its just people don't know how to execute it, and blame wing chun for their failings instead of themselves
hgamer 9 months ago
@hgamer i dont agree. when u particape in WC tournaments, hardly any of these techniques are used!
DotaHelm 9 months ago
nice.
cuntsgab 10 months ago
блин но нахрена так зажиматься??????????
losb1111 10 months ago
to me i think weither your countering or trapping or reflecting off of the punch or kick or such it doesnt matter as long as it is effective .. as long as you are out of danger
kaosleeroy108 10 months ago
you know guys The real "wing tsun" is that
/watch?v=vTZUibPr6kU
WEareTheWORLD23 10 months ago
I don't understand how the wing chun "clinch" their sticky hands thing, I don't see how that hand position comes into play when people fight.
VikingII 10 months ago
@VikingII its a legitimate statement
hgamer 10 months ago
@VikingII "sticky hands" or chi sau is a form of close range sparring drill to exchange techniques with a partner in a controlled manner, it develops sensitivity to the movements and energy of an opponents whole body, not just their hands. You can defend and counter attack a lot faster when you can feel what someone is trying to do, rather than just relying on your eyes. It is not meant to be taken as a real life fight scenario, but the skills are very valuable in a real fight.
Hellhammer201184 10 months ago
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@VikingII "sticky hands" or chi sau is a form of close range sparring drill to exchange techniques with a partner in a controlled manner, it develops sensitivity to the movements and energy of an opponents whole body, not just their hands. You can defend and counter attack a lot faster when you can feel what someone is trying to do, rather than just relying on your eyes. It is not meant to be taken as a real life fight scenario, but the skills are very valuable in a real fight.
Hellhammer201184 10 months ago
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@VikingII "sticky hands" or chi sau is a form of close range sparring drill to exchange techniques with a partner in a controlled manner, it develops sensitivity to the movements and energy of an opponents whole body, not just their hands. You can defend and counter attack a lot faster when you can feel what someone is trying to do, rather than just relying on your eyes. It is not meant to be taken as a real life fight scenario, but the skills are very valuable in a real fight.
Hellhammer201184 10 months ago
@VikingII It doesn't happen like that but it develops your reactions and deflections. Also you're trained to stick with your opponent so it comes into play then too.
1stAprilMCR 10 months ago
@VikingII in a real fight, sometimes it will start with someone grabbling your hands, maybe someone trying to grab your shirt or push you into a wall. even against a person punching staright on. this is just one kind of drill, wing chun has alot of aspects.
diolade2002 10 months ago
@VikingII - These fellows are just doing sensitivity drills - this is not wingchun boxing. Chi Sho (sticky hands) is simply a way to increase awareness visually and physically. It helps us with timing when we see a punch or kick coming and how to respond quickly. But as I said again, it is not the sparring part of Wing Chun.
MrHoffmannTaiwan 10 months ago
@MrHoffmannTaiwan
Mistake:
"Chi Sho(sic) helps... when we see a punch or kick coming..."
Chi Sau is for detecting by FEELING. Not seeing.
DizzyDerwish 8 months ago
@VikingII The sticky hands isn't a demonstration of a genuine fighting application, you have to remember this is wing chun vs wing chun and practice drills. The chances of meeting a fighter in a pub who does wing chun is very unlikely and when that person goes to punch you, you'll know exactly which move to use to defend, counter and end his life.
nick4uuk 9 months ago 4
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Ya, sticky hands is practicing to react to the feelings (for example).
Haltzu93 9 months ago
@nick4uuk You're missing a period after "counter" so therefore your comment is invalid.
Gimbo1337 8 months ago
@Gimbo1337 Shoosh troll.
nick4uuk 8 months ago
thank for this great video.
TheKindplayer 10 months ago
@TheKindplayer sure thing
hgamer 10 months ago
looks like a slap fight between two girls fighting over a hello kitty lunchbox
zalupastyle 10 months ago
i agree trapping/ counter is a better method
kaosleeroy108 11 months ago
Punching the guard ,until it break. And u will punch that old man.
TheKindplayer 11 months ago
@TheKindplayer you sound like you didn't even past jr. high
hgamer 11 months ago
@hgamer sorry, I say what i think ^^(I am bad for english) But you think u can't break that bone with your strenght? That block is useless. (Go to practice heliquan now.)
TheKindplayer 11 months ago
@TheKindplayer sure you can say what you think.. that's why the internet exist so stupid people have a voice.... geeeez
hgamer 11 months ago 7
@hgamer lol (i luv 2 kung fu, i use and boxing!)
TheKindplayer 10 months ago
@TheKindplayer I can with a baseball bat, but that aint Wing Chun mate. Might at well be playing checkers with a chessboard. Try to say less and open your eyes and ears.
WingChunLover2 10 months ago
instead of using the work block for wing chun, coverage is a better term. wing chun dont block; you cover the area thats in danger/exposure
XxRandomgooxX 11 months ago
If you dont know what you are doing against a experienced WC fighter, in a real fight or street fight, you would have one of your arm's, knee's and neck broken in about 2 secs. MMA fighters are tough, but WC fighters are lethal. and lets not forget one of the greatest fighters of our time, Bruce Lee, who created Jeet Kune Do using primarily WC as it's base of creation. So Bruce Lee is PROOF Wing Chun is a useful system. im not saying its unbeatable, just dont turn it away as "Kung Fu Shmum Fu".
chaseton215 11 months ago
@chaseton215 - You cannot paint every MMA and WC fighter with the same brush. 90% of all Wing chunner's never spar or never fight. Whereas 75% of all MMA practitioners do spar the remaining 25% stay in the beginners level where they don't have to spar and perfectly fine with just the skills development and conditioning.
Applying skills in a stressful situation such as a street fight is difficult unless you have been psychologically prepared for it. How to prepare? Spar Pro fighters.
iApna 11 months ago
@iApna the only reason i said anything about MMA, is because that is what most people compare any style to these days. i should ask, why dont you see a shoalin monk ever fight in a MMA fight? rules and regulations. when you train like a MMA fighter, or a Western boxer, or any other stlye, that person will usually only use what they know. this is why when you see a boxer get in a street fight he will pretty much always only use his hands. TKD will mostly only use thier legs.
chaseton215 11 months ago
@chaseton215 - I have sparred Wing Chun practitioners, boxers, TKD, Karate, other Kung-Fu practitioners, etc. The hardest to spar are grapplers. But assuming we keep it standing and no ground fighting allowed, the hardest after that are Thai boxers, Western boxers, TKD practitioners and some forms of Karate. What makes the biggest difference? Not their skills. But their fight psychology.Taking a hit, walking right through it, not showing any signs of fatigue or pain and still hitting back hard.
iApna 11 months ago
@iApna yup, very hard to fight guys that are tough and willing to take the pain. the only thing i could add is this may be adjusted when weapons (knife, club) are involved. that first hit could pretty well end the fight.
free2flow 11 months ago
@iApna MMA guys are more rounded, but most of those guys are just thier to fight, there is no real fighting knowledge in some of those guys besides being in a couple street fights out side of the ring. dont get me wrong, that doesnt apply to everyone. but rules and regulations are the main thing here. stick a shoalin guy with no rules in the ring with a mma fighter..... im willing to bet the MMA fighter will have his leg broken while he is still standing in a few seconds.
chaseton215 11 months ago
@iApna hence MMA fighters know how to avoid a knockout, but not broken arms, legs or necks they dont train for that kind of stuff. and i dont care how big you are. if you think you can take a hit to the throat, you will drop instantly and start vomiting all over the place while gasping for air. its not fun. in WC we train to hit vital parts. MMA you dont. so as a WC practicioner, im thinking of "how i can possibly kill this man while he stands". MMA you are thinking "how can i score a knockout"
chaseton215 11 months ago
@iApna those are two very different mind sets while training. which in my experience will lead to 2 very different types of fighting and situation outcomes. i appriciate the comments though, im not trying to suggest im right and your wrong or anything like that. and its very hard to express a full opinion on these subjects without using at least 1,000 or more
chaseton215 11 months ago
@chaseton215 - I think you're completely mistaken about MMA fighters. Understand something very clearly, MMA fighters train to break their opponents quickly. But you don't see many injuries in the ring because they are not talked about much also MMA fighters work hard on conditioning every part of the body to take the hits because you cannot block everything. The ideal situation is knocking out your opponent with 1 strike. You can do whatever you want to the person once he's knocked out.
iApna 11 months ago
@iApna dont get me wrong, ive seen some serious injuries in MMA. but when you talk about conditioning of the body, that all depends on the person, how far they want to take themselves in conditioning. ive aslo seen some fairly non athletic MMA fighters, and they usually get owned in the ring by the more fit guy. so yes, physical fitness will take you far. helps to take the physical bashing. but just because you havent seen a WC guy train his body doesnt meen they are not out there.
chaseton215 11 months ago
@chaseton215 - Like you said in MMA training we train to knock people out cold quickly but also break their limbs in the most efficient way possible. Thats why you see many knockouts and tapouts in MMA. If the fighter doesn't tap the result is normally passing out due to choke or broken limbs. If you get knocked out in the street or your limbs are broken what are you going to do? There is no referee to stop the MMA fighter from breaking your arms, legs, neck, etc...
iApna 11 months ago
@iApna but being strong wont get all the way. so let me ask you, what is "efficient" to you. i think of efficiency as being straight and to the point, with as little energy being expelled as possible. this is actually why you will see a lot of videos of WC practioners looking relaxed as they train. in fighting, you should be as calm as though you are just washing dishes. relaxed and clear headed. learning how to control adrenaline is a big step as well, it is unpredictable as to what it will do.
chaseton215 11 months ago
@chaseton215 - Learning to be calm and relaxed is a big part of learning Muay-Thai. Hence the continuous sparring, conditioning, etc... You cannot learn to be relaxed without hard sparring. You cannot win a fight if you're constantly exhausting yourself being nervous and out of control. Your definition of efficiency is the same as mine. But it also plays into body mechanics. In Muay-Thai we want to deliver a hardest, fastest strike possible but also transition to the next strike quickly.
iApna 11 months ago
@chaseton215 - In summary, there is nothing more efficient than knocking someone out cold. Because your opponent is at your mercy. The second most efficient way of dealing with someone is breaking their limbs or neck. This is obviously risky if on the street due to outside interference. I can make a choice in killing someone once they are completely broken on the ground or knocked out cold. Likely I would walk away with their ID in hand.
iApna 11 months ago
@iApna and i dont agree with that knocking someone out cold is efficient. you have to be efficient to knock someone out, like constantly adjusting to thier moves, changing angles to make for a better strike to deliver more power in micro seconds, and not to mention what i think is most important... dexterity and speed. if you cant hit your target at the right time quick enough, you shouldnt even through a punch. it is then wasted movement. kind like throwing haymakers, they are slow and obvious.
chaseton215 11 months ago
@chaseton215 - What I don't see in Wing Chun classes or clips is the intensity. Wing Chun can definitely be effective on the street against street thugs if trained to deal with pressure (not just skills). But the lack of intensity is missing. There is speed for sure, but that does not translate to intensity. I see the chain punching which I do like.
Here is a clip of some guys doing pad work:
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Just one of those strike can split someone's skull open or crush ribs.
iApna 11 months ago
@iApna now intensity is a bit diferent in WC, i will give you that. the goal for WC is to be cool, calm, then explode at the right moment, which is why all the training you probably see is 2 guys stading there doing sticky hands. but intensity doesnt mean knockout power. power is generated through body mechanics Example: 1 Iinch punch , which can deliver extraordinary amounts of power from very short distances due to proper muscle and joint cordination.
chaseton215 11 months ago
@chaseton215 - I don't see what you're saying translate into the hundreds of WC clips I have seen here. What is practiced vs what is applied in WC are two completely different things. This is evident in all the clips.
The training in WC is flawed in my opinion. It might not have been many many years ago. Or perhaps it was but unknown. Because of Youtube we now can truly compare the arts and look deeper. Prior to Youtube it was impossible to do.
iApna 11 months ago
@iApna this video of these to guys doing sticky hands can be applied very easly. Ex: lets say, boxer throws a punch. the WC guy then responds with a simple check to avoid the hit and moves in closer to start placing his hands on the boxer's hands. mind you, all this happens in under a second.the boxer cant through a punch now because WC guy has his hands occupied with basic sticky hands causing him to only backaway to regain control of his arms for punching or be the better hand trap artist.
chaseton215 11 months ago
@chaseton215 - The problem is I don't think you understand the level of force a Thai practitioner uses in his strikes. Checks, blocks, etc.. all can work of course but unless you have the conditioning you can still sustain heavy injury. In fact I love it when someone blocks my kicks with their forearms. Shin vs forearm which will win? Also trying to catch a experienced boxers hands would be nearly impossible and dangerous. Imagine someone like Ramon Dekkers or Mike Tyson Not a chance bros.
iApna 11 months ago
@iApna i know what you are saying, i used to compete back in the day. and i honestly see the same problem in most MMA fighters at my gym as on television in that they lack actual ability. let me put it this way. a guy how has trained his side kick or roundhouse kick in TaeKwonDo can execute that kick in fractions of a second with perfect form and amazing power through flawless techniuqe.
chaseton215 11 months ago
@iApna i think the guy training in hand traps his whole life would win that outcome. but from what i think you are trying to say, is that because in the training videos you see, WC lacks people really trying to punch each other, or your deffinition of "intensity", that makes for good training and a better fighter? in my classes, we would train with the intent of being in a fight. like i said, it depends on the person, and how far they are willing to go to take them selves to that limit.
chaseton215 11 months ago