You have no proof that the Book of Mormon is not authentic except for your opinion only. Your feelings against the book of Mormon are a dime a dozen but there is no safety in ignorance. There will be many who will be hoodwinked into thinking that God is incapable of directing people to the North American continent. It's happened many times. God is all powerful and not limited in what he is capable of doing. I have God and his angels as witnesses that the Book of Mormon is authentic and true.
Why did Joseph Smith the first Mormon prophet take women in marriage that were already married to other men? These women continued to live with their first husband and have children with their first husband after they were married to Joseph. I don't see women marrying more than one man permitted by God in the bible.
Psalms 85:10-11 reads "and truth shall spring out of the earth."
This verse is directly referring to the book of MORMON, as it doens't mean could be some evangelical nutjob like you, because you are part of the unbelievers of Babylon.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ....
@LDS4Life71- Twisted Ps 85:11- Context before & after is the Jews & land of Israel, including vs 1 "brought back the captivity of Jacob", Vs 9-10: "Righteousness [see v13] and peace have kissed ...That glory may dwell in OUR LAND.", and vss 12-13: "And OUR LAND will yield ITS increase. Righteousness [see vs 10] will go before Him". Not talking about BOM buried in this continent & peace can't "kiss". Another LDS horrible mangling to pseudo-prove BOM & LDS Church from Bible twisting
LDS isn't a Christian denomination at all, you got your facts wrong, that would be like calling Muslims Christian. Do the research before you post videos that make you look like an uneducated fool, please.
@LDS4Life71 How so? I thought Christianity taught the Trinity, the everlasting God, and you are saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ alone? Mormon's teach the complete opposite of all those...am I right?
@kightsun The Godhead exists are three beings, but one in purpose and it makes up the one God. In order to be part of the body of Christ you must accept his witness of the latter days that God called to testify of the truth. Evangelicals are NOT from God, and living a lie.
@LDS4Life71 First off, Christianity as taught in the Bible teaches One God from Everlasting to Everlasting who reveals himself as Father, Spirit, & Son. Mormons teach that God the Father was once a man and that as Man now is God once was and as God now is Man may be. This is nothing more than the imagination on Joseph Smith Jr. and in no way supported by the Bible, just read it, it speaks for itself.
@LDS4Life71 - Mormons teach? Mormons R divided on many things. U mean the Mormon CHURCH teaches? Sorry, but "everlasting to everlasting" is redefined in LDSism & used that way. LDS CHURCH has taught consistently that "As man is, GOD once was, as God IS, man might BE[]COME]". J Smith told apostle/prophet Lorenzo Snow his couplet was "revelation from God to U". Ensign, Gospel Principles ch47. Ensign 2/82-" is both acceptable and accepted doctrine in the Church today."
@kightsun mormons do not teach that God is a three headed morphing goo jebus like trinitarians do. That is not in accordance with the bible, and You wannabes don't follow the enitre bible, but the few verses that conform to your beliefs.
@kightsun-Please read my posts. They reply to things UR discussing with Mormons/LDSers here & refutes LDSers w/LDS Church & biblical sources on Mormonism & "one God", Trinity, LDS Elohim the Father being "from everlasting to everlasting" (LDS redefine) & I give a few sources on why LDS Father God was once a mortal on another earth & became A God, etc. Email me on YouTube if U want more sources on Mormonism, most of what I usually post if from my own searching of LDS Ch sources
@LDS4Life71 - U said to kight:"The Godhead exists are three beings, but one in purpose and it makes up the one God." UR not upfront. The terminology is Trinitarian, but redefined:
"there are THREE separate *Gods*: God the Father-ELOHIM.. Jesus the Christ-JEHOVAH; and the Holy Ghost"- JE Faust, 4/84 GenConf, Ensign, 5/1984
"the true GODS of heaven" -LDS apostle McConkie, Ensign, 5/78-GenConf
LDS Abr 4:2,10; 5:13:"the Gods"
D&C 132:20- some humans "shall be GODS...[&] have ALL power"
Wait a minute, the Holy Bible warns us against following another gospel(book of mormon, another testament of christ). "I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ to another gospel" GAL1:6. So if your CHRISTIAN you would follow this guideline, otherwise, you are decieved...SO MORMONISM IS A FALSE CHRIST.
@josephsmithwashere - "Mormonism is a false Christ". Technically, the religion is not "a false christ", it HAS a false christ- see 2 Cor 11:3-4, 13-15:
"ANOTHER Jesus" & those who preach them "are FALSE apostles, DECEITFUL workmen, DISGUISING themselves as apostles of Christ. and are "HIS [SATAN'S] servants"! (2 Cor 11:3-4,13-15 NKJV). Even LDS Seventy BB Brockbank said pretty much the same in General Conference of LDS Church-Ensign 5/77-"DIFFERENT Jesus Christ/FAKE Christs"
One of the biggest puzzles about the Olmecs that remains unsolved to this very day is where they came from and how they developed written language and art so immediately. The Book of Mormon offers at least a partial explanation for this question in the story of the Jaredites. The estimated timeline of the arrival and decline of the Jaredites and the carbon-dated development of the Olmec civilization are an uncanny match.
Yes, the growing membership rolls of LDS is quite impressive, indeed!! One of the fastest growing churches with over 13 million members!!
Of course, people who are baptized into LDS posthumously are also counted on the membership rolls.
I live in South Texas, where dead people regularly vote in every election. If dead people can vote, I guess they can also be baptized and counted as members of LDS!! ;o)
@stevejames1012 -What U left out is the LDS details- God the Father LITERALLY begat/sired Jesus in the SAME sense as WE are the sons of mortal PARENTS...LITERALLY, ACTUALLY (What the Mormons Think of Christ 1,44) . LDS Church also denies Matt 1:20 that explicitly states he was conceived/begotten OF [ek=OUT OF ] the HOLY SPIRIT, while LDS Ch says no. Father used the HS, not his sperm. That is the ONLY way we are kids OF mortal parentS = Mom & dad.
@blakodeel If you say that then neither are any of the denominations such as Catholic's, Luthrans, Seventh-day-advacists, Jahovas witness's and so on and so forth. Christianity was once it's own religion than was mainly taken over from catholic's back in the day then split up into many groups based on personal greed and feelings towards the church and the LDS church believes Jesus restored Christianity thru Joseph Smith and gave him another book to go along side the bible to help in faith...
@KINGxB If you believe Jesus Christ is not God, that the Holy Spirit is not God, in polytheism, that you can become a god, that all people will be saved, that there is inspired scripture outside of the Bible, that you are saved by works, that there is no Hell, that Satan is your brother, that the atonement of Jesus Christ was in the garden of Gethsemane etc. than no! Mormonism, its most basic beliefs are contrary to Christianity. Same thing with all religious cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses 2
@blakodeel All religous groups are cults by definition. Christianity is more a way of religions not a religion in itslef these days. Mormanism is not a religion or group it is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints". The Bible was not written for many years and passed by mouth and then put on paper and translated countless times which gives it little weight in reality but I'm sure it still holds it's basic principle but would still require knowledge of the time and language it's from.
@blakodeel Many groups don't see Jesus or the spirit "if they even recognize it" as god and they don't believe you become god or a god but more become like jesus and god-like in a sence but that is only some as others interpret the texts differently and that's just a common and odd belief that differs from person to person... And I do believe the bible even says that multiple texts will be given somewhere but I've read many texts of many religions so I could be mistaken. They do beliven Hell too
@blakodeel Also they believe Satan as he was before was a spirit child of "GOD" "like everyone else including Jesus" and that as Lucifer he rebelled and became Satan and such... Also just so you know if I didn't inform you, I am not a Mormon or member of any sort with the LDS church and I have studied many religions for years and did not take Mormons serious at all from the start but looked into due to a family intrest and just realized it for what it is as like I had done with Islam before it.
@KINGxB I just meant "you" in a general term. and i was just showing that if someone disagrees from the very foundation of what makes up the faith then it's not Christian.
@blakodeel I understood what you ment and I was just stating that they have the same foundation and belief system and are infact by definition Christians alltho I don't think they should consider themself the same as other Christians just due to the fact that Christianity tanked itslef and is a fucked up number of greedy self-serving groups of ignorant asshole's in general... "Not saying all Christians are what I just said but that the groups are pretty much and it is sad that it's like tht now"
@KINGxB They have no such foundation! One of the foundations is monotheism, and Mormonism does not have that. Same belief system?? no no no no no. It gives the appearance of Christianity, but its just another religion that arose in the 1800's that perverts the gospel and the Christian faith.
@blakodeel They only believe in one god so they do in fact have that... They don't pervert the Christian faith nearly as much as the catholic church and every other denomination out there so you have no argument... Maybe you should research them with an open mind and try to understand them along with everyone else. You apparently have not studied the full Christian faith and it's history along with prest day Chrisitan claimed churches altho u should look at all Abraham based religions to get it.
@KINGxB Believing that God fornicates with his god wives to create the world and its people is not monotheism sir. thinking that this is the only god FOR THIS EARTH is not a belief in one god. no argument! wow. i researched them with an open mind and found it was completely pagan. and saying the roman catholic church isn't christian is just supporting my point and saying other fake churches aren't Christian is saying what i believe! obviously never studied it? cuz i said Mormonism isnt Christian
@blakodeel GOD is known to be man and women so maybe he fornicates with himself... Also Even 1 god "the definition of Monotheism" could ptentially have sex and populate in some fashion if he chose to do so, what gives you the right to deny a god sex? I only said the LDS church is as much Christian as any other group... I have studied about all of them along with so many other popular religions around the globe but ya if your targeting them over others, I would assume you hadn't studied...
@KINGxB The reason I dont consider them Christian came only after I learned what they believe oddly enough. "Targeting" is a word that is glibly used so often. Don't accuse me of a lack of knowledge because I disagree. I deny God sex because He is holy and there are no women deities, on top of that He is spirit John 4:24 He has revealed Himself to not be that. Its not as much as I "target" LDS over anyone else. Isaiah 43:10 all that contradict important teachings of the Bible arent Christian.
@blakodeel So much of the Bible shows God as both man and women in Gen. it states he made them in his image and there are many other passages to back that up so are you saying the Bible is not Christian bcuz it says there is a man/women deity instead of just a man. And the accusation of your lacking knowledge is not because you disagree but because you target LDS over others when Catholics are the worst of all and there are so many more groups to rebuke when discussing Christianity/Religion...
@KINGxB By saying they are not Christian is not to the exclusion of other groups. if i say, blue is not orange, it doesn't not mean i think all other colors are blue. If I say Mormons aren't Christian, that doesn't mean i think every other group is Christian. I disagree with Roman Catholics and i already said that. Saying there are other groups doesn't mean Mormons aren't one of the groups! and I'M saying God isn't a physical man or woman John 4:24. Image=ability to create, think, will etc.
@blakodeel Ok... But by definition they kinda are so your wrong and the Catholic church is the leading Christian group with no better way of being Christian than the LDS church so regardless of how you personally feel the fact of the matter is that they are Christian "just not the kind you want them to be"... My whole thing was that it's close minded of you to say "Mormons are not Christian haha. What a ridiculous concept." also they don't all even believe in things the way you described...
@blakodeel John 4:24 is a complete lie, and a product of the liars who translated it. GOD is NOT a spirit, and we are of the same image as God, meaning God has eyes, ears, nose, mouth, can eat, and drink, and has hands and feet. The LDS church of Jesus Christ is the restored faith, and you got nothing, and pagan trinitarian views are false.
@LDS4Life71 God must also be a chicken because Psalms 91:4 says He has feathers. It is figurative language when it speaks of body parts, and within the definition of the trinity it shows monotheism. PAGAN??? A Mormon is using the word PAGAN in a negative way?? The epitome of irony, seriously. Joseph Smith said Father, Son and Holy Spirit were separate gods and you're calling the trinity pagan. LDS is THE MOST "pagan" religion today, so don't insult the trinity with something you believe in.
@LDS4Life71 haha you know I'm right about the pagan thing so you just reiterate the trinity being false. It doesn't say "He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler?" Psalms 91:4. It's figurative language, God doesn't have a literal physical body, God was never man, man can't become God. Isaiah 43:10-11, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 45:5, Isaiah 46:9. Shema yisrael! Yahweh eloheinu Yahweh ahad! Hear Israel... the Lord is one.
@LDS4Life71 Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, 2 Timothy 1:9, (2 Nephi 25:23>>>Romans 11:6), (Alma 7:10>>>Matthew 2:1), D&C 87:3, (Moses 1:15, Revelation 22:8-9>>>Matthew 14:33, John 9:38), (Moses 1:33>>>Job 9:8, Isaiah 44:24 ALONE), (Isaiah 42:8>>>John 17:5 Christ is God!), (Journal of Discourses volume 13 p. 271 people on the sun>>>Brigham Young says his words are scripture: Journal of Discourses volume 13 p. 264). John 1:1, Hebrews 1:8, Zechariah 12:10, Colossians 1:16, Acts 5:3-4. Escape Mormonism
@LDS4Life71 ...he says as he doesn't read any of the scripture I put out. fine, ignore them all but this one: "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me." Isaiah 43:10. You want to talk about biblical; you're headed to Hell, and it is from love that I tell you. Repent and believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ, while you still live.
@blakodeel You trinitarian three headed morphing goo jebus is FALSE and not biblical. You rely on the ideaologies of the pagan romans, and their neoplatism view of God which is FALSE. I pray you will find the truth, and realize your FAITH is False, and in vain.
@LDS4Life71 No, in places like Matthew 28:19, Acts 5:3-4, John 1:1, John 1:14, Hebrews 1:8, 1 Peter 1:2, and Matthew 3:16-17. If you are saying you don't know HOW in the one BEING of God there are three PERSONS, the HOW is God omnipresent? Do you truly comprehend it? No because we are depraved sinners in need of God's grace. Sorry that you think calling the trinity a three headed god is a good argument but it just isn't. there are 10x more things i could make fun of, involving ur god fornicating
@blakodeel On the devil-inspired doctrine of the "Trinity"
The deity of Jesus Christ was decided upon by a vote . A few hundred church leaders gathered at Nicea in 325 AD. to vote on the matter. (the vote was loaded, because most of the opposing bishops were either KILLED or EXHILED or excluded!) Representation for the TRUTH about the Godhead was allowed by only a small fraction of those TRUE Christians...we lost the TRUTH then to the pagan trinity of man.
@LDS4Life71 - Non-Christian Pliny to Trajan in ca. 112 AD said Christians sang hymns to Jesus as singing to DEITY/GOD.
Also:
The Trinity affirmed WELL B4 Nicea:
Tertulian, c. *213*: the Three are "three coherent PERSONS", "are one essence" (NOT being) in unity of substance, NOT singularity of number". They are "of ONE substance...ONE God", who are "under the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit", (Against Praxeas). From "God in Three Persons", Cal Beisner, pp 52-58.
@LDS4Life71-U say Trinitarian monotheistic God is from Roman paganism, but UR church teaches the rankest pagan polytheism dressed as Christianity I have ever seen. That is blind:
LDS Ch official: Father/Son/Holy Ghost R 3 Gods (J Smith Ensign 3/08), we can become literal Gods & goddesses w/"ALL power" & Abraham, etc are already Gods(D&C 132) "AS GREAT AS God" (Melch Priest guide 1985 p151) which is "Godhood" (TofCP:SWK ch1) & 225,000 could create worlds(SWK Ensign 11/75), LDS Abr 4-5 "the Gods"
@blakodeel You can google "Mounting Evidence for the Book of Mormon - Ensign Jan 2000," by Daniel E. Peterson. It's a scholarly article and includes info and references about Mesoamerica. At the start, B. H. Roberts reminds us, “The power of the Holy Ghost…must ever be the chief source of evidence for the Book of Mormon. All other evidence is secondary.…No arrangement of evidence, however skillfully ordered; no argument, however adroitly made, can ever take its place.”
@LDS4Life71 - UR dishonest, evasive, disrespectful & immature. Calling other's beliefs a '3-headed good god Jebus' (ATHEISTS use Jebus, BTW). JESUS is the 3rd PERSON of Trinity, so JESUS isn't the 3 headed god. Hypocrite- U LDS whine about others 'misrepresenting' LDS Ch, but U do it with venom.
U rather adopt insulting. smearing, etc., and ignore honest discussion on BIBLE he uses.
Even today, sometimes the LDS smokescreen ecumenism is pulled back & we see real Mormonism & it's real views.
The Jews were henotheists first then later into monotheism in the context of thier Babylonian captivity. In this CONTEXT it was the practice of the time in Babylon to have a community altar to put all the IDOLS which were "FORMED" (of wood/silver/gold) on this altar..Jehovah's idol also was put on this altar. Jehovah said that this should not be the case to put "BEFORE" HIM these FALSE gods.
@LDS4Life71 - LSA show their spiritual blindness and drinking from poisoned wells. Ps 1 says "Blessed is the man who does not walk in the COUNSEL of the ungodly". The liberal, Bible-destructive leftist deconstruction theological crap U have swallowed has Judaism as a human-inspired, naturalistic, evolutionary religion that went from henotheism TO monotheism. That is crap. Of course, U drink from scoffer's wells, but probably did not seek out conservative, Bible-affirming Christian replies.
@LDS4Life71 - U don't need to WHAT? Please give context. Also, UR empty assertions is not honest discussion & direct answering of my points & references.
Oh, and U aoin't "saved"
Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 25:23 & LDS Church's KJV Bible Dictionary under Grace says LDSers R saved "*AFTER* ALL we CAN *DO*", which is "expending YOUR OWN BEST efforts". LDS apostle RD. Hales said in GenConf/Ensign 11/07 "Each of us has been sent to earth by our Heavenly Father to MERIT eternal life".
@harry4health You want to talk about blindness? you need to look inward. Your false faith lead by a false apostate from the LORD and is bereft of any authority from God, and in fact was involved in the Dublin Diocese child abuse allegations cover up.
Again, harry, you are lost, and will be found on the left hand of God.
@LDS4Life71 - Answer this. U & other LDS show spiritual blindness, drinking from poisoned wells. BIBLE in Ps 1 says "Blessed is the man who does NOT walk in the COUNSEL of the ungodly...scoffers". U LDS use anti-Bible destructive leftist rot & skip Bible-affirming sources. The 'henotheism' BS is from those who REJECT biblical inspiration & it holds that Judaism as a human-inspired, naturalistic, evolutionary religion that went from henotheism TO monotheism. U/LDS rebel against PS 1
@LDS4Life71 -U really don't wanna be accurate, do U?
1) "false apostate from the Lord"? That doesn't make sense. Apostates aren't from God, & how is one a "FALSE apostate"? Double negative- ends up not being a real apostate!
2) Who's from Dublin that suppose to be connected to my alleged "false faith"? I can't name anyone in Dublin. U don't know what faith I have & faith is defined as belief/trust. Non-Mormons can't have genuine faith in God?
@harry4health gee harry. I hope you will take the time to wach your friend from Spokane, Wa, as he tells authorities how he molested kids over and over, and over, and over, and over, and over until you understand that your faith is in vain, and the RCC is completely fraudulent.
@LDS4Life71 - My "friend"? Wise *ss. WHO? I know no one in Spokane
I'm not Catholic so RCC is irrelevant. U ever think of reigning in UR blurred thinking?
U ignore almost all I posted (dishonest & evasive) & go off on extraneous drivel.
Oh gosh! If a Catholic clergy molests boys, I have to think about it over & over & THAT PROVES "[my] faith is in vain"! My faith isn't hinged on that. Why would I have to spoon feed U that?
R U dwarfed? UR 21? U think like an 11 year old on acid
@LDS4Life71 - Why, pray tell, would someone from Spokane molesting kids prove "[my] faith is in vain". Please share the logic & Bible for this revelation, Brainiac.
Oh, and U haven't heard LDS prophet Jsph Smith married a 14/15 yr old, Fannie Alger?
LDS have molesting, etc.Go to Archive*org & enter FULL URL 4 MormonAllaince*org & check for valid links, go to Case Reports- 3 volumes online
I know 2 in 1 LDS ward who molested-1 spoke in priesthood, other was librarian who got LDS kids
@LDS4Life71 - NT evangelists preach to unconverted-Acts 8-NOT OLD Covenant-styled LDS 'patriarchs' giving blessings to the converted.
NT Apostles were TOP leaders, not a prophet as in LDS Church (See 1 Cor 12:28; 14:29, Acts 15). NON-prophets gave like Luke & Jude wrote scripture for the WHOLE church & NOT LDS-styled prophet who is only 1 to speak for whole church (TofLP).
@LDS4Life71 - UR empty assertions & 'testimony'-bearing is useless in fact. It is an emotional escape from honest examination & is ANTI-bibilcal for Christians. Instead of insulting other's faith, use UR mind & intellectual honesty.
ALL Bible LDS misuse for COMPLETE apostasy of church fail. LDS Ch now evades more to apostasy of ful gospel. Evasive.
Bible NEVER teaches COMPLETE apostasy of the NT church, so not restoring of it to the earth was needed- Matt 16:18, Eph 3:21, etc.
@stevejames1012-Only 2 Bible ways we R God's children- Mal 2:10 creation & Jn 1:12. LDS polytheistic system of Father Elohim & Heavenly Mother literally birthing us in pre-earth life as we are born of mortal parents is not biblical. If LDS Ch restores NT Christianity, it must fit the Bible, NOT visa versa. LDS Church & members use Bible to pseudo-support the doctrine when it isn't there. Jesus created ALL in heaven, incl angels & we R not LITERAL pre-earth offspring of Heavenly Mother & Father.
@stevejames1012 - Just referring me to Jeremiah adds nothing & answers nothing.
God knows all from past, present & future. Therefore, he knows about bodies on earth before they they are conceived in womb, knows about what buildings will be built, knew my name would be what it is before it was. Even 1830./etc BOMormon has names of people & what they will do ON earth before they happened.
U can't answer foreknowledge. U add pre-earth life to the text.
@harry4health In regards to Jeremiah. God doesn't say "I knew that you would come," He said, "I knew you." That's the key there. That's what separates foreknowledge from pre-earth life.
God appeared to me and told me Mormons are wrong. He said that Mormonism is the furthest thing from Him. He said that Joseph Smith was a mentally ill man who preyed on the ignorance of people.
@schlegelt no, cuz your making fun of the mormons with ur joke about god... Unless ur serious then I'd like you to prove it or keep your psychotic hallusinations to yourself before your either turned into some awsome prophet who convinces idiots to give you their lifes pretty much or sent to the loony bin...
@KINGxB This is no joke. What is a joke is Joseph Smith reading golden plates out of a hat. Psychotic hallucinations? Where does this leave Joseph Smith?
How exactly would I prove to you that God spoke to me? Is it possible? Furthermore, do not say what I would do were I "some awesome prophet". You know nothing about me nor my teachings.
I am much, much more sane than you, or Mormons for that matter.
I can tell you didn't think before replying. Please make any following responses thoughtful.
@LDS4Life71 You can't know this for a fact. You may believe it, and it may be true to you, but it is no fact. Jesus can think whatever he wants of me, it's no skin off my back. I won't burn in Hell. I won't be punished.
I am closer to God than you could ever hope to be.
@schlegelt You keep telling yourself that and it may become true, but you still haven't entered at the straight gate to eternal life. until you stand in the water a sinner and are baptized under water by one holding God's priesthood, you shall remain on the outside looking in.
The restoration of the true gospel of Christ is completely biblical.
@schlegelt Your not sane, your an idiot or someone calling another person who made the same stament as you a liar because you think your right and nobody else was.... Do you know anything about Christianity? I've studied it for years along with other religions and cultures surrounding them world-wide. Do you actually think your a prophet? Are you trying to be the next Warren Jeffs? Do you think you should be Pope? Do you know that all Christian denominations are no better than "Mormonisim"?
@schlegelt I could be in many countries but I wouldn't have enough evidence to properly support my diagnoses.
I figured you a Christian as it's the usual one but now I'm guessing Muslim altho you could be anything or even your own. The rest was abit more making fun yes but trying to understand your view on what you are like if you thought you should be a prophet, a leader or take over a church position.
All religions can be seen as foolish as one another even Islam and others...
@stevejames1012-U misunderstand Trinity & build the typical 'strawman' fallacy by distorting other's doctrine & seeking to refute UR distortion. The Trinity is 3 PERSONS (mind/emotion/intellect/will) in ONLY true God that exists- Yahweh/'Jehovah' Elohim. U chose to IGNORE, EVADE & dodge ALL Verses & points & divert to UR argument. UR "exhaustive" list is useless. Use that on MODALISTS, & NOT Trinitrarians
Father & Son R "separate beings". U mean 3 separate & distinct Gods, right?
@stevejames1012 -DSude, U missed it. UR strawman is what OTHERS beleive. A strawman fallacy is MISrepresenting ANOTHER person position & then pseudo-'refute' YOUR distortion of the OTHER'S position. How did U miss it? Was it purposeful evasion, or did U misunderstand? Please go back and answer the points & sources I posted. The Trinity is NOT Jesus 'praying to himself', etc (typical LDS/ JW distortion of Trinity), so UR loist of showing the Father isn't the Son, etc., is useless against TRINITY
@harry4health lol "it's 3 but I'm gonna name off 4" Do you really follow the Biggest Christian abomination "Catholics" version of the Trinity and think your better?
I just wrote that above bit and realized I mis-read it but will still post showing intent against Mormon hater making a point about the understandings of things...
@KINGxB- RCC didn't exist until East & West church became separate in 1100AD. Nicea in 325 AD was WELL B4 RCC.
The Trinity affirmed WELL B4 Nicea:
Tertulian, c. *213*: the Three are "three coherent PERSONS", "are one essence" (NOT being) in unity of substance, NOT singularity of number". They are "of ONE substance...ONE God", who are "under the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit", (Against Praxeas). From "God in Three Persons", Cal Beisner, pp 52-58
@KINGxB- Oh, so U admit U misread me, but UR going to keep it in post, anyway? U also aren't clear on what the 3/4 clip U used from me. Brilliant. THAT substituted 4 actually directly answering my posts much more than U have.
U also didn't make sense again in the rest of UR post
"Mormon hater"? PLZ. Hypocrite. U spew contempt & hatred & ignore that Mormonism denounced & attacked Christianity- all creeds abomination, no authority if non-LDS church, professing Christians corrupt, etc,etc
@harry4health u didn't even really understand what I said from your response... I actually may have read right, I was quickly responding, I do mock the theres 3 but heres 4 and any FAKE CHRISTIAN CUNT who thinks their sect that roots from catholics is any better than the LDS or Mormons... The only REAL christianity is in one's heart and actions taking what they can from the messages of the bible and acting right according to teachings. U also can't prove your interpretation...
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
The key word here is "begotten"
See Deut. 14:1 "Ye are the children of the Lord your God" Hosea 1:10 "Ye are the sons of the living God" Acts 17:29 We are "literal offspring" of God. Psalms 82:6 "Ye are gods and all of you are children of the Most High"
Sounds like the doctrine of us being His children is very biblical.
Do you believe that God the Father used to be a man? Do you believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers? Do you believe that you too can one day be the "God" of your own universe - if you do enough good works here and now?
None of this is biblical. All of it comes from what one man said. Doesn't it concern you?
@edadan2009 "Do you believe that God the Father used to be a man?" Yes. We are His literal offspring.
"Do you believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers?" Yes. All of us are, see entire old testament specifically references to Lucifer in Isaiah and Job.
Do you believe that you too can one day be the "God" of your own universe - if you do enough good works here and now? Psalms 82:6, but not only my good works now, but the works that I have done and works that I still have to do.
@stevejames1012- #2: Paul said HE is the APOSTLE to the GENTILES & PETER is APOSTLE TO the JEWS-Rom 11:13, Gal 2:8. Peter wasn't an LDS prophet/pres over ENTIRE church. NT apostles & prophets R ALWAYS SEPARATED & LOCAL, & "FIRST, apostles, SECONDARILY prophets"- Acts 15, 1 Cor 12:28;14:29. LDS Church has 1 prophet over ENTIRE church w/apostles UNDER him- it violates NT church rank & role of BOTH & so does NOT "follow this organization". LDS guts definition/role/name of NT evangelists (Acts 8)
@edadan2009 I understand that this may sound heretical and blasphemous to you. I'm sorry if it offends you. I have studied the bible enough to be satisfied that these are true things. I am by no means through studying the bible and have a lot to learn. However, I am satisfied in saying that all of those are true, biblical or not.
No, your comments don't offend me at all, but they do greatly alarm me. It absolutely astounds me that anyone can believe what you do - especially if you have really studied the Bible. There is most definitely nothing in the Bible that says that God used to be a man. And, if Jesus, Satan, me, you, etc are all brothers - then John 3:16 is a lie. BTW, words have meanings. There is only one universe - and the ONE and ONLY God created it (Heb 11:3).
@stevejames1012-PT3: Acts 17:29-He did NOT say "LITERAL". U used quote marks, when it is NOT a correct quote.
Acts 17:29. Paul quoted pagan Aratus, to relate a principle to the pagans. Mal 2:10 Hebraism:"Have we not all one FATHER? Has not one God CREATED us?" All are creations of God, w/Yahweh forming the spirit in the womb (Zech 12:1). U started from wrong place-children/creation. Spiritual by faith in Jesus
Isa 43-47,James 2:19 steer us clear of error here-only 1 God, none before/after Yahweh
@harry4health "Acts 17:29-He did NOT say "LITERAL". U used quote marks, when it is NOT a correct quote."
Thank you for pointing that out. The fact, however still remains. We are God's children made in His image. You would have us believe that only those who are adopted are His children. This is true of Christ, but not the Father.
This is also shown in Jeremiah 1:5. God knew Jeremiah before he was even formed in the womb. The same is true of us.
@stevejames1012-P3: JER 1:5-God KNOWS ALL from beginning, now & to eternity-BOM: 2 Ne 9:20 & Moro 7:22, D&C 38:2. LDS Church:"PAST, present, and FUTURE are CONTINUALLY the Lord, D&C 130:7", "ALL *things* are present with [God]...I KNOW *them* ALL" LDS Moses 1:6 (LDS*org LDS scripture Index, Gospel Principles ch 1). Thus, God knows Jeremiah thru his omniscience. Ps 139:16:God has all our days written BEFORE they happen. Isa 46:8-10: God declares end from beginning BEFORE they occur. God knows ALL
@harry4health P3 - Thus, God knows Jeremiah thru his omniscience. Yes but the point is that Jeremiah existed before being in the belly. God says, "I knew thee" not "I knew that you would eventually be formed." God knew Jeremiah personally before Jeremiah was even conceived.
@stevejames1012- U dutifully IGNORED dealing with the FACT that U, as common among Mormons/LDSers, JWs, etc., misrepresent Trinitarian doctrine by using the strawman fallacy on it. The Trinity is 3 Persons in 1 & ONLY 1 God- Yahweh Elohim. Therefore, Jesus in Trinitarianism did NOT 'pray to himself', etc ad nauseum.
God the Son prays to God the Father.
The Trinity is NOT "one PERSON", as U mischaracterize the doctrine.
@stevejames1012-Part 4: Exod 21:6; 22:8-9 uses "gods" to refer to HUMAN judges. CONTEXT shows Ps 82 'gods' R SINFUL HUMAN judges or rulers, NOT literal Gods. Ps 82:2-"they JUDGE unjustly"="shapat: act as a MAGISTRATE". (Young's)."How long will you judge UNJUSTLY... But you shall DIE..Arise, O God, judge the earth"
Your view cannot be of LDS LITERAL Gods, since THEY R not unjust & NEVER sin. It contradicts D&C 132 on Godhood & context of Ps 82.
@stevejames1012- Ps 82 speaks of MORTALS who R FIGURATIVELY called 'gods' to expose & denounce them as unjust sinners who will die. That is NOT LDS Godhood. U trying to say LDS Godhood in eternity is figurative? Water down what it consists of? LDS Godhood- Exalted LDS Gods "have ALL power" (D&C 132:20) and "as man is, GOD once was; as God IS man may BE[COME]", they are "AS GREAT AS God" (Melch Priest study guide 1985 p151/Lsn 21) as married God & goddess. Ps 82 is NOT about MORMON Godhood.
@stevejames1012-P2: Deut 14:1 is NOT referring to SPECIFIC LDS doctrine of Elohim the Father & his literal goddess wife LITERALLY conceiving & begetting billions of literal spirit children in pre-earth life. Vs 2 INTERPRETS v1-"Yahweh has CHOSEN U OUT OF ALL peoples" ON earth. LDS DETAILS on the doctrine would show how far apart Deut & Hosea is from LDS errors. I gave CONTEXT in Hos 1:9-10 to show this. U evade all by brief clips of comments.
@harry4health P2 - Great point. Vs 2 seems to make it focused on Israel. As well as in Hosea. I admit that I was shortsighted in those verses. That being said, we still have all of the others presented, we also have the book of Job and it's continual reference to the sons of God gathering and rejoicing. We also see the doctrine of men becoming like god in Rom 8:16 -17. The key phrase there is "joint-heirs with Christ." Obviously we must make ourselves part of the chosen Israel to achieve cont
@harry4health P2 - cont godhood. But the promise is given there. In fact any reference of man becoming like God will apply only to those of Israel. But God, being just gives us all a way to become Israel.
@stevejames1012- #2: Paul said HE is the APOSTLE to the GENTILES & PETER is APOSTLE TO the JEWS-Rom 11:13, Gal 2:8. Peter wasn't an LDS prophet/pres over ENTIRE church. NT apostles & prophets R ALWAYS SEPARATED & LOCAL, & "FIRST, apostles, SECONDARILY prophets"- Acts 15, 1 Cor 12:28;14:29. LDS Church has 1 prophet over ENTIRE church w/apostles UNDER him- it violates NT church rank & role of BOTH & so does NOT "follow this organization". LDS guts definition/role/name of NT evangelists (Acts 8)
@stevejames1012-P3-Prov PERSONIFIES a PRINCIPLE- wisdom. Wisdom isn't a PERSON.
God knows all, but can't know Jer w/o Jer pre-existing?
"Before I formed YOU *IN* the womb I knew YOU". YOU= BODY./womb
Since Bible God knows all for all time, he knew Jer B4 birth. He also “calleth those things which be not AS THOUGH they WERE” (Romans 4:17). Zech 12:1-our spirits R formed within us.
Not only omniscience but God knew before who would believe beforehand, even though they were not born yet
@stevejames1012- #1: U missed it badly. I SAID "NO earthly PROPHET over ENTIRE church". SINGLE prophet as TOP leader, as LDS Monson is. U diverted from 1 earthly PROPHET to apostles- NT apostles NEVER called prophets & Paul was APOSTLE TO Gentiles & Peter APOSTLE TO Jews. U evaded w/"authorities". U IGNORED that too. Jn, Pet & Paul, as I SAID were APOSTLES, so U said NOTHING while saying something. Please go back and directly answer what I wrote. It seems like UR answering someone else's post
@stevejames1012-PT2B: IF something is LIKE another, that doesn't mean it's identical or equal. LDS LITERAL Godhood is attaining EQUAL status with Father Elohim (men) & goddess wife (women) w/all power & above all (MP 1985/GP ch47/D&C132/ACM).
Millions of joint-heirs collectively inherit POSSESSIONS, etc, not a mandate to become ALL that God/Jesus ARE, their Deity. Bible states inherit as a GROUP. Unless U believe in Celestial Socialism.
@harry4health "Millions of joint-heirs collectively inherit POSSESSIONS, etc, not a mandate to become ALL that God/Jesus ARE, their Deity. Bible states inherit as a GROUP."
Rev 21- No more tears, inherit New Jerusalem as those who have salvation & not inherit the second death.
The textual context is salvation in God's presence. Heb 11 speaks of inheriting salvation. No becoming literal Gods & goddesses with "ALL power" (D&C 132:20) as Elohim has "all power" (Gospel Principles ch 1) & become "as great as God" (MelPriest guide 1985 151) & Heavenly Mother (ACM).
@harry4health "The textual context is salvation in God's presence (rev. 21:7)" You're inserting that context yourself. Lets look at what the BIBLE says "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."
"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne"
This clearly implies that we will inherit Godhood and sit on His throne. This does not lower God by any means, it only accomplishes his purpose for us. Combine this with other references to co-heirs with Christ.
@harry4health "All things = Bible's usage- LAND, goods, etc."
Says who? Did you receive revelation that this is what the scripture is speaking of? These are all part of the Abrahamic covenant: land, posterity, priesthood, salvation and exaltation. Your personal identification of "the bibles' usage" of this term only covers parts of this.
@stevejames1012- #1: UR thinking shallow. If U read an ancient document, U R to find out what terms THEY used & how THEY used it, applied it, etc. Common sense helps here. If I inherit what someone HAS, those are POSSESSIONS. I don't become that person, or it's equal.
If a group of people inherit ALL someone HAS (quote common today), we split the POSSESSIONS. Examples are in the millions.
Also, the biblical doctrine isn't going to contradict Deut 43-47, Deut 6:4-5, James 2:19. No other true God
@harry4health "If I inherit what someone HAS, those are POSSESSIONS" And what does God POSSESS? We do not become Him, we become like Him. Very different.
Your example of inheritance provides a great way to explain Eternal inheritance. We receive all that He has, just like a son receives all that his father leaves him. But when the son grows up and has his own kids, his dad doesn't seize to be a father, neither does God seize to be our GOD.
@stevejames1012- Sorry, but all U said any evangelical can say. LDS term "only begotten of the Father in the FLESH" & what LDS Church prophets & apostles have said in LDS Church materials go far beyond the generic info
LDS Church & leaders have taken BEGOTTEN as LITERAL *begetting* of Jesus by Elohim the Father & Mary. They err by shallow misuse of Bible & skip Greek.
LDS Church teaches first begetting was of Father & Heavenly Mother as first one BORN of all spirit children (Lucifer is another).
@stevejames1012 -What U left out is the LDS details- God the Father LITERALLY begat/sired Jesus "in the SAME sense as WE are the sons of mortal PARENTS...LITERALLY, ACTUALLY" (What the Mormons Think of Christ 1,44). LDS Church also denies Matt 1:20 that explicitly states he was "conceived/begotten OF [ek=OUT OF"] the HOLY SPIRIT", while LDS Ch says no. Father used the HS, not his sperm. That is the ONLY way we are kids "OF mortal parentS"= Mom & dad.
@stevejames1012 - R U simplistic? Shallow? The ancient idea of inheritance refers to POSSESSIONS. Even modern idea is same. Bible has "inherit all THINGS".
God ain't a thing.
I don't become the person who I am inheriting from. I inherit what he HAS, and NOT WHO he IS. Kinda basic & even a child can understand that one.
If U can't understand basics on inheritance & need 2 be spoon fed it, U need to re-evaluate UR thinking.
U strain at a gnat while swallowing a camel, as NT's Jesus said.
@harry4health Wassup with the ALLCAPS. I doesn't exaggerate your point. It makes you look juvenile and ignorant. That being said, "What are God's possessions?" If that's what we're promised, what are they?
@stevejames1012 - UR straining at a gnat & swallowing a camel, as NT says. Since YT only allows 500 spaces per post, & doesn't have italics & bold 4 posts, I use CAPS & it is FAR from "ALLCAPS" (U mean ALL CAPS?). I'm not trying to "exaggerate [my] point}, but EMPHASIS it. It is a normal way of doing so outside of online world. U try to tell me CAPS doesn't EMPHASIS points? That's weak & bogus, at best. Instead of objecting to SOME CAPS & NOT *ALL* CAPS, answer more of my posts
@stevejames1012 - What are God's possessions? Easy: "The EARTH IS Yahweh's & the *fulness* of IT" (1 Cor 10:26, vss 25-27/Ps 50:12, & Ps 104:24: "O LORD, how manifold are Your WORKS!/In wisdom You have MADE THEM all./The EARTH is FULL of Your POSSESSIONS" & "the WORLD is MINE, and all ITS fullness". ALSO: Ex. 9:29; 19:5; Deut. 10:14; Job 41:11; Ps. 50:12. Christians inherit from what is God's from heaven & earth in the 'millennium' & etc- Isa 65:17-25, Rev 21.
@harry4health I will gladly answer to your posts, even though they hurt my eyes to read. btw "emphasize" is what your looking for, not "emphasis." Your answer to me question is partially correct. His possessions are not just this world, but all worlds ever created. Therefore if we become "joint-heirs" with Christ and receive a portion of that inheritance by becoming "One" with God as Jesus plead with the Father that we could be, then we would receive His possessions according to ur definition
@stevejames1012 - Sorry, but U wanted BIBLE, nor LDS Bk of Moses. Bible only knows of 1 inhabited earth. Bible I gave has content of BIBLE passages. LDS Church states that we can become literal exalted & eternally married Gods & goddesses over our own billions of spirit children, so they can expend their efforts & become Gods & goddesses, etc. These Gods have "ALL power' (D&C 132) as Father Elohim has "ALL power" (GospPrinc 1), etc. LDS Godhood includes ALL he IS. Bible does NOT.
@stevejames1012 - If you want to save your eyes from being 'strained' at my posts, you can always privately email me here on YouTube in my Inbox. I won't have to 'scrunch' points, passages and references.
@edadan2009 I pretty sure Mormons only believe in one "GOD" dude so infact they are monotheistic but they do believe in becoming god-like in a sence that is not understood or believed in the same way by each member of the LDS church. Chrisitianity is really just based on the life and teachings of Jesus in a monotheistic format in which the LDS church fits if you have full understanding of it but ya "Christianity", Islam, Judaism and even the Mormon faith's are simply Abraham based groups of man.
The truth you need to find is in Jesus Christ. Many people believe many different things about who He was. As for me, He is God's ONLY begotten Son and the ONLY way to the Father in Heaven. If you are seeking the truth, read your Bible - and stay far away from anything that is mormon.
@edadan2009 Ya, your beliefs are fine but hate towards 1 group upon counless groups with different beliefs even including the different "denominations of Christianity" is just rediculous... Why don't u think of Jesus's teachings and show respect and understanding and try and simply educate others as he did showing your faith and helping others learn instead of looking like an ASS insulting them?
Did you ever wonder why Jesus was executed in the most horrific manner that was available in His day? Did you ever wonder why 11 of the 12 apostles were also executed? Did you ever wonder why Paul was given 39 lashes on 5 seperate occasions, beaten with a rod on 3 occasions, stoned and finally beheaded?
Before you believe the lie that Christianity is politically correct or is inoffensive, you need to read, study and understand God's Word (the Bible).
@edadan2009 wtf? 1st the bible is man's word of god and wtf r u even talking about? None of what you said was really relevant as a response to what I said so what are you trying to say? If it is that your a jew and jew's can kill christians then I may see a point but it's rediculous otherwise you just replied with worthless knowledge/opinion
@rblnz73 Idk what "copyright" section you refer to. What you find on the title page is simply, "published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." What does that have to do with a "corporation of the president?"
@stevejames1012 - "In 1923, the church incorporated the Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". When LDS prophet ET Benson got sicker w/"blood clots in the brain, dementia, strokes, and heart attacks..pnemonia" they switched to "Corporation of the Presidency [etc]". They switched in 1997 for Intellectual Reserve, a few years after his death in 1994. Also, there's "the Corporation of the Presiding Bishop of [ch-JC/LDS]". Has that changed?
*HOSEA 1:10-CONTEXT! SPIRITUAL harlotry by DEPARTING FROM God (v3). Hos 1:9: you are NOT My PEOPLE" contrast vs 10: "it was said of them, U R NOT my PEOPLE..it shall be said of them 'YOU [ISRAEL] ARE the sons of the living God". Again-adoption as spiritual sons/Chosen People. It isn't about a pre-earth begetting by LDS Elohim the Father & his goddess wife, our 'Heavenly Mother'. UR misuse of verse is WAY off. NOT his people/ARE his people- NO pre-earth literal begetting
*JOHN 3:16 "BEGOTTEN"-Jesus IS 'MONOGENES'. Greek IS UNIQUE, ONE OF a KIND". HE is "only UNIQUE Son". No proven connection as LDS dogma claims. ALL are earthly creations/children (Mal 2:10). ONLY other way is spiritual adoption by saving faith in Jesus-Jn 1:12
U have violated 2 Tim 2:15 by not 'accurately handling' the Bible & U violate Acts 17:11 because U grab at Bible to support LDS Church & leaders, instead of truly testing BY careful testing BY Bible
@harry4health "U have violated 2 Tim 2:15 by not 'accurately handling' the Bible" That's a harsh claim that is extremely subjective. It's premise lies in the idea that the bible in infallible and 100% correct and untainted. This is not the case and therefore the premise is false.
Over 13 million members, though probably only 3-5 million active. It's also not growing anywhere close to how fast they will have you believe between the people every single day sending in letters to get their names removed from the church, and people every week becoming inactive in the church.
@stevejames1012 People always boast higher numbers than what the real number is. That guess comes from people who I know who are active in the church for 20-40+ years. Take World of Warcraft for example. They claim to have over 12 mil subscribers also but they don't have anywhere near 12 million active. Even a silly game won't release the real numbers, and neither will your church. They also don't like us finding out about their prophets being paid, which we do have documentation that they are.
@EricaHopkirk "They also don't like us finding out about their prophets being paid, which we do have documentation that they are." Where is said documentation?
Three things: 1) the church never specifies who is active and who isn't because a member is a member and the reactivation of a person can take years and is not a black and white thing. 2) Where do you get the 3-5 million being active number from? and 3) how many members (active or inactive) are there in your church?
@stevejames1012 I explained the 3-5 million was a guess by many active members of the Church, all of which have 20-40+ years active. You have nothing that shows how many are active, I have nothing that shows how many aren't. Either way, its not 13 million active as they want you to believe.
Look up Quinn's research in 1984. Tithing was used to buy businesses for the church. Prophets were put on business boards, earning a lot of money, including Monson
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You have no proof that the Book of Mormon is not authentic except for your opinion only. Your feelings against the book of Mormon are a dime a dozen but there is no safety in ignorance. There will be many who will be hoodwinked into thinking that God is incapable of directing people to the North American continent. It's happened many times. God is all powerful and not limited in what he is capable of doing. I have God and his angels as witnesses that the Book of Mormon is authentic and true.
LDS4Life71 3 weeks ago
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Why did Joseph Smith the first Mormon prophet take women in marriage that were already married to other men? These women continued to live with their first husband and have children with their first husband after they were married to Joseph. I don't see women marrying more than one man permitted by God in the bible.
twoclose2call 1 month ago
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Psalms 85:10-11 reads "and truth shall spring out of the earth."
This verse is directly referring to the book of MORMON, as it doens't mean could be some evangelical nutjob like you, because you are part of the unbelievers of Babylon.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ....
You got NOTHING.
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LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71- Twisted Ps 85:11- Context before & after is the Jews & land of Israel, including vs 1 "brought back the captivity of Jacob", Vs 9-10: "Righteousness [see v13] and peace have kissed ...That glory may dwell in OUR LAND.", and vss 12-13: "And OUR LAND will yield ITS increase. Righteousness [see vs 10] will go before Him". Not talking about BOM buried in this continent & peace can't "kiss". Another LDS horrible mangling to pseudo-prove BOM & LDS Church from Bible twisting
harry4health 1 month ago
LDS isn't a Christian denomination at all, you got your facts wrong, that would be like calling Muslims Christian. Do the research before you post videos that make you look like an uneducated fool, please.
kightsun 2 months ago
@kightsun Don't try to talk over me. The church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints is the epitomy of Christianity.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 How so? I thought Christianity taught the Trinity, the everlasting God, and you are saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ alone? Mormon's teach the complete opposite of all those...am I right?
kightsun 2 months ago
@kightsun The Godhead exists are three beings, but one in purpose and it makes up the one God. In order to be part of the body of Christ you must accept his witness of the latter days that God called to testify of the truth. Evangelicals are NOT from God, and living a lie.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 First off, Christianity as taught in the Bible teaches One God from Everlasting to Everlasting who reveals himself as Father, Spirit, & Son. Mormons teach that God the Father was once a man and that as Man now is God once was and as God now is Man may be. This is nothing more than the imagination on Joseph Smith Jr. and in no way supported by the Bible, just read it, it speaks for itself.
kightsun 2 months ago
@kightsun Mormons teach God is everlasting to everlasting! stop lying
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 - Mormons teach? Mormons R divided on many things. U mean the Mormon CHURCH teaches? Sorry, but "everlasting to everlasting" is redefined in LDSism & used that way. LDS CHURCH has taught consistently that "As man is, GOD once was, as God IS, man might BE[]COME]". J Smith told apostle/prophet Lorenzo Snow his couplet was "revelation from God to U". Ensign, Gospel Principles ch47. Ensign 2/82-" is both acceptable and accepted doctrine in the Church today."
U LIE or IGNORANT
harry4health 1 month ago
@kightsun mormons do not teach that God is a three headed morphing goo jebus like trinitarians do. That is not in accordance with the bible, and You wannabes don't follow the enitre bible, but the few verses that conform to your beliefs.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
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harry4health 1 month ago
@kightsun-Please read my posts. They reply to things UR discussing with Mormons/LDSers here & refutes LDSers w/LDS Church & biblical sources on Mormonism & "one God", Trinity, LDS Elohim the Father being "from everlasting to everlasting" (LDS redefine) & I give a few sources on why LDS Father God was once a mortal on another earth & became A God, etc. Email me on YouTube if U want more sources on Mormonism, most of what I usually post if from my own searching of LDS Ch sources
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harry4health 1 month ago
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@LDS4Life71 - U said to kight:"The Godhead exists are three beings, but one in purpose and it makes up the one God." UR not upfront. The terminology is Trinitarian, but redefined:
"there are THREE separate *Gods*: God the Father-ELOHIM.. Jesus the Christ-JEHOVAH; and the Holy Ghost"- JE Faust, 4/84 GenConf, Ensign, 5/1984
"the true GODS of heaven" -LDS apostle McConkie, Ensign, 5/78-GenConf
LDS Abr 4:2,10; 5:13:"the Gods"
D&C 132:20- some humans "shall be GODS...[&] have ALL power"
harry4health 1 month ago
Wait a minute, the Holy Bible warns us against following another gospel(book of mormon, another testament of christ). "I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ to another gospel" GAL1:6. So if your CHRISTIAN you would follow this guideline, otherwise, you are decieved...SO MORMONISM IS A FALSE CHRIST.
josephsmithwashere 2 months ago
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@josephsmithwashere God commisioned prophets in ancient meso america to stop them from committing attrocities against God like human sacricifice.
Alma 34:10
Why would Amulek talk about human sacrifice unless it was going on???
Your evangelical faith is a lie, and in vain. The LORD will say "I never knew thee." according to Matt 7.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@josephsmithwashere - "Mormonism is a false Christ". Technically, the religion is not "a false christ", it HAS a false christ- see 2 Cor 11:3-4, 13-15:
"ANOTHER Jesus" & those who preach them "are FALSE apostles, DECEITFUL workmen, DISGUISING themselves as apostles of Christ. and are "HIS [SATAN'S] servants"! (2 Cor 11:3-4,13-15 NKJV). Even LDS Seventy BB Brockbank said pretty much the same in General Conference of LDS Church-Ensign 5/77-"DIFFERENT Jesus Christ/FAKE Christs"
harry4health 1 month ago
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One of the biggest puzzles about the Olmecs that remains unsolved to this very day is where they came from and how they developed written language and art so immediately. The Book of Mormon offers at least a partial explanation for this question in the story of the Jaredites. The estimated timeline of the arrival and decline of the Jaredites and the carbon-dated development of the Olmec civilization are an uncanny match.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
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Yes, the growing membership rolls of LDS is quite impressive, indeed!! One of the fastest growing churches with over 13 million members!!
Of course, people who are baptized into LDS posthumously are also counted on the membership rolls.
I live in South Texas, where dead people regularly vote in every election. If dead people can vote, I guess they can also be baptized and counted as members of LDS!! ;o)
CounterCultureLives 2 months ago
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@CounterCultureLives -Actually, LDS Churchg rowth isn't that great. LDS use tired, outdated sources:
Compiled from LDS Church's Ensign mag:
Convert Baptisms: 1999-2010:
* 1999: 306,171
* 2006: 272,845 (-33,326) Decrease between the 2 years
* 2007: 279,218 (+6,373)
* 2008: 265,593 (-12,625) Decrease- below any year included here
* 2009: 280,106 (+14,513)
* 2010: 272,814 (-7,292) Decrease
Difference between 1999 & 2010 convert baptisms is a loss: 33,357 FEWER 11 years later.
harry4health 1 month ago
@stevejames1012 -What U left out is the LDS details- God the Father LITERALLY begat/sired Jesus in the SAME sense as WE are the sons of mortal PARENTS...LITERALLY, ACTUALLY (What the Mormons Think of Christ 1,44) . LDS Church also denies Matt 1:20 that explicitly states he was conceived/begotten OF [ek=OUT OF ] the HOLY SPIRIT, while LDS Ch says no. Father used the HS, not his sperm. That is the ONLY way we are kids OF mortal parentS = Mom & dad.
LDS Ch twists begotten
U ignored DETAILS
harry4health 2 months ago
Mormons are not Christian haha. What a ridiculous concept.
blakodeel 3 months ago
@blakodeel If you say that then neither are any of the denominations such as Catholic's, Luthrans, Seventh-day-advacists, Jahovas witness's and so on and so forth. Christianity was once it's own religion than was mainly taken over from catholic's back in the day then split up into many groups based on personal greed and feelings towards the church and the LDS church believes Jesus restored Christianity thru Joseph Smith and gave him another book to go along side the bible to help in faith...
KINGxB 3 months ago
@KINGxB If you believe Jesus Christ is not God, that the Holy Spirit is not God, in polytheism, that you can become a god, that all people will be saved, that there is inspired scripture outside of the Bible, that you are saved by works, that there is no Hell, that Satan is your brother, that the atonement of Jesus Christ was in the garden of Gethsemane etc. than no! Mormonism, its most basic beliefs are contrary to Christianity. Same thing with all religious cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses 2
blakodeel 3 months ago
@blakodeel All religous groups are cults by definition. Christianity is more a way of religions not a religion in itslef these days. Mormanism is not a religion or group it is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints". The Bible was not written for many years and passed by mouth and then put on paper and translated countless times which gives it little weight in reality but I'm sure it still holds it's basic principle but would still require knowledge of the time and language it's from.
KINGxB 3 months ago
@blakodeel Many groups don't see Jesus or the spirit "if they even recognize it" as god and they don't believe you become god or a god but more become like jesus and god-like in a sence but that is only some as others interpret the texts differently and that's just a common and odd belief that differs from person to person... And I do believe the bible even says that multiple texts will be given somewhere but I've read many texts of many religions so I could be mistaken. They do beliven Hell too
KINGxB 3 months ago
@blakodeel Also they believe Satan as he was before was a spirit child of "GOD" "like everyone else including Jesus" and that as Lucifer he rebelled and became Satan and such... Also just so you know if I didn't inform you, I am not a Mormon or member of any sort with the LDS church and I have studied many religions for years and did not take Mormons serious at all from the start but looked into due to a family intrest and just realized it for what it is as like I had done with Islam before it.
KINGxB 3 months ago
@KINGxB I just meant "you" in a general term. and i was just showing that if someone disagrees from the very foundation of what makes up the faith then it's not Christian.
blakodeel 3 months ago
@blakodeel I understood what you ment and I was just stating that they have the same foundation and belief system and are infact by definition Christians alltho I don't think they should consider themself the same as other Christians just due to the fact that Christianity tanked itslef and is a fucked up number of greedy self-serving groups of ignorant asshole's in general... "Not saying all Christians are what I just said but that the groups are pretty much and it is sad that it's like tht now"
KINGxB 3 months ago
@KINGxB They have no such foundation! One of the foundations is monotheism, and Mormonism does not have that. Same belief system?? no no no no no. It gives the appearance of Christianity, but its just another religion that arose in the 1800's that perverts the gospel and the Christian faith.
blakodeel 3 months ago
@blakodeel They only believe in one god so they do in fact have that... They don't pervert the Christian faith nearly as much as the catholic church and every other denomination out there so you have no argument... Maybe you should research them with an open mind and try to understand them along with everyone else. You apparently have not studied the full Christian faith and it's history along with prest day Chrisitan claimed churches altho u should look at all Abraham based religions to get it.
KINGxB 3 months ago
@KINGxB Believing that God fornicates with his god wives to create the world and its people is not monotheism sir. thinking that this is the only god FOR THIS EARTH is not a belief in one god. no argument! wow. i researched them with an open mind and found it was completely pagan. and saying the roman catholic church isn't christian is just supporting my point and saying other fake churches aren't Christian is saying what i believe! obviously never studied it? cuz i said Mormonism isnt Christian
blakodeel 3 months ago
@blakodeel GOD is known to be man and women so maybe he fornicates with himself... Also Even 1 god "the definition of Monotheism" could ptentially have sex and populate in some fashion if he chose to do so, what gives you the right to deny a god sex? I only said the LDS church is as much Christian as any other group... I have studied about all of them along with so many other popular religions around the globe but ya if your targeting them over others, I would assume you hadn't studied...
KINGxB 3 months ago
@KINGxB The reason I dont consider them Christian came only after I learned what they believe oddly enough. "Targeting" is a word that is glibly used so often. Don't accuse me of a lack of knowledge because I disagree. I deny God sex because He is holy and there are no women deities, on top of that He is spirit John 4:24 He has revealed Himself to not be that. Its not as much as I "target" LDS over anyone else. Isaiah 43:10 all that contradict important teachings of the Bible arent Christian.
blakodeel 3 months ago
@blakodeel So much of the Bible shows God as both man and women in Gen. it states he made them in his image and there are many other passages to back that up so are you saying the Bible is not Christian bcuz it says there is a man/women deity instead of just a man. And the accusation of your lacking knowledge is not because you disagree but because you target LDS over others when Catholics are the worst of all and there are so many more groups to rebuke when discussing Christianity/Religion...
KINGxB 3 months ago
@KINGxB By saying they are not Christian is not to the exclusion of other groups. if i say, blue is not orange, it doesn't not mean i think all other colors are blue. If I say Mormons aren't Christian, that doesn't mean i think every other group is Christian. I disagree with Roman Catholics and i already said that. Saying there are other groups doesn't mean Mormons aren't one of the groups! and I'M saying God isn't a physical man or woman John 4:24. Image=ability to create, think, will etc.
blakodeel 3 months ago
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@blakodeel Ok... But by definition they kinda are so your wrong and the Catholic church is the leading Christian group with no better way of being Christian than the LDS church so regardless of how you personally feel the fact of the matter is that they are Christian "just not the kind you want them to be"... My whole thing was that it's close minded of you to say "Mormons are not Christian haha. What a ridiculous concept." also they don't all even believe in things the way you described...
KINGxB 3 months ago
@blakodeel John 4:24 is a complete lie, and a product of the liars who translated it. GOD is NOT a spirit, and we are of the same image as God, meaning God has eyes, ears, nose, mouth, can eat, and drink, and has hands and feet. The LDS church of Jesus Christ is the restored faith, and you got nothing, and pagan trinitarian views are false.
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
@LDS4Life71 God must also be a chicken because Psalms 91:4 says He has feathers. It is figurative language when it speaks of body parts, and within the definition of the trinity it shows monotheism. PAGAN??? A Mormon is using the word PAGAN in a negative way?? The epitome of irony, seriously. Joseph Smith said Father, Son and Holy Spirit were separate gods and you're calling the trinity pagan. LDS is THE MOST "pagan" religion today, so don't insult the trinity with something you believe in.
blakodeel 3 months ago
@blakodeel No it doesn't say that. The trintiy is false.
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
@LDS4Life71 haha you know I'm right about the pagan thing so you just reiterate the trinity being false. It doesn't say "He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler?" Psalms 91:4. It's figurative language, God doesn't have a literal physical body, God was never man, man can't become God. Isaiah 43:10-11, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 45:5, Isaiah 46:9. Shema yisrael! Yahweh eloheinu Yahweh ahad! Hear Israel... the Lord is one.
blakodeel 3 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, 2 Timothy 1:9, (2 Nephi 25:23>>>Romans 11:6), (Alma 7:10>>>Matthew 2:1), D&C 87:3, (Moses 1:15, Revelation 22:8-9>>>Matthew 14:33, John 9:38), (Moses 1:33>>>Job 9:8, Isaiah 44:24 ALONE), (Isaiah 42:8>>>John 17:5 Christ is God!), (Journal of Discourses volume 13 p. 271 people on the sun>>>Brigham Young says his words are scripture: Journal of Discourses volume 13 p. 264). John 1:1, Hebrews 1:8, Zechariah 12:10, Colossians 1:16, Acts 5:3-4. Escape Mormonism
blakodeel 3 months ago
@blakodeel Your faith is false. The church of Christ is restored, and the restoration of His church is completely biblical.
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
@LDS4Life71 ...he says as he doesn't read any of the scripture I put out. fine, ignore them all but this one: "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me." Isaiah 43:10. You want to talk about biblical; you're headed to Hell, and it is from love that I tell you. Repent and believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ, while you still live.
blakodeel 3 months ago
@blakodeel You trinitarian three headed morphing goo jebus is FALSE and not biblical. You rely on the ideaologies of the pagan romans, and their neoplatism view of God which is FALSE. I pray you will find the truth, and realize your FAITH is False, and in vain.
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
@LDS4Life71 No, in places like Matthew 28:19, Acts 5:3-4, John 1:1, John 1:14, Hebrews 1:8, 1 Peter 1:2, and Matthew 3:16-17. If you are saying you don't know HOW in the one BEING of God there are three PERSONS, the HOW is God omnipresent? Do you truly comprehend it? No because we are depraved sinners in need of God's grace. Sorry that you think calling the trinity a three headed god is a good argument but it just isn't. there are 10x more things i could make fun of, involving ur god fornicating
blakodeel 3 months ago
@blakodeel On the devil-inspired doctrine of the "Trinity"
The deity of Jesus Christ was decided upon by a vote . A few hundred church leaders gathered at Nicea in 325 AD. to vote on the matter. (the vote was loaded, because most of the opposing bishops were either KILLED or EXHILED or excluded!) Representation for the TRUTH about the Godhead was allowed by only a small fraction of those TRUE Christians...we lost the TRUTH then to the pagan trinity of man.
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
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@LDS4Life71 - Non-Christian Pliny to Trajan in ca. 112 AD said Christians sang hymns to Jesus as singing to DEITY/GOD.
Also:
The Trinity affirmed WELL B4 Nicea:
Tertulian, c. *213*: the Three are "three coherent PERSONS", "are one essence" (NOT being) in unity of substance, NOT singularity of number". They are "of ONE substance...ONE God", who are "under the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit", (Against Praxeas). From "God in Three Persons", Cal Beisner, pp 52-58.
harry4health 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71-U say Trinitarian monotheistic God is from Roman paganism, but UR church teaches the rankest pagan polytheism dressed as Christianity I have ever seen. That is blind:
LDS Ch official: Father/Son/Holy Ghost R 3 Gods (J Smith Ensign 3/08), we can become literal Gods & goddesses w/"ALL power" & Abraham, etc are already Gods(D&C 132) "AS GREAT AS God" (Melch Priest guide 1985 p151) which is "Godhood" (TofCP:SWK ch1) & 225,000 could create worlds(SWK Ensign 11/75), LDS Abr 4-5 "the Gods"
harry4health 2 months ago
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@blakodeel You can google "Mounting Evidence for the Book of Mormon - Ensign Jan 2000," by Daniel E. Peterson. It's a scholarly article and includes info and references about Mesoamerica. At the start, B. H. Roberts reminds us, “The power of the Holy Ghost…must ever be the chief source of evidence for the Book of Mormon. All other evidence is secondary.…No arrangement of evidence, however skillfully ordered; no argument, however adroitly made, can ever take its place.”
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
@LDS4Life71 - UR dishonest, evasive, disrespectful & immature. Calling other's beliefs a '3-headed good god Jebus' (ATHEISTS use Jebus, BTW). JESUS is the 3rd PERSON of Trinity, so JESUS isn't the 3 headed god. Hypocrite- U LDS whine about others 'misrepresenting' LDS Ch, but U do it with venom.
U rather adopt insulting. smearing, etc., and ignore honest discussion on BIBLE he uses.
Even today, sometimes the LDS smokescreen ecumenism is pulled back & we see real Mormonism & it's real views.
harry4health 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71- Trinity is not 1 PERSON. When Trinitarians use "being", they don't mean like HUMAN being. I don't use it.
There are three PERSONS:
*Matt 28:19
In only ONE true God who exists:
* Deut 6:4-5, Isa 43-47, James 2:19
These three Persons who are the ONE God are:
* God the Father- John 4:23-24, Rom 1:7
* God the Son, Jesus- John 1:1-14; 8:58; 20:28
* God the Holy Spirit- Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor 3:17
Acts 17:11-use already written scripture 2 test, not feelings or insulting as substitutes.
harry4health 2 months ago
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@blakodeel Isa. 43:10
The Jews were henotheists first then later into monotheism in the context of thier Babylonian captivity. In this CONTEXT it was the practice of the time in Babylon to have a community altar to put all the IDOLS which were "FORMED" (of wood/silver/gold) on this altar..Jehovah's idol also was put on this altar. Jehovah said that this should not be the case to put "BEFORE" HIM these FALSE gods.
That is the context. FALSE gods
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
@LDS4Life71 - LSA show their spiritual blindness and drinking from poisoned wells. Ps 1 says "Blessed is the man who does not walk in the COUNSEL of the ungodly". The liberal, Bible-destructive leftist deconstruction theological crap U have swallowed has Judaism as a human-inspired, naturalistic, evolutionary religion that went from henotheism TO monotheism. That is crap. Of course, U drink from scoffer's wells, but probably did not seek out conservative, Bible-affirming Christian replies.
harry4health 2 months ago
@harry4health I don't need to. I'm saved, and you're not. the church is true, and you got nothing.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
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harry4health 1 month ago
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@LDS4Life71 - U don't need to WHAT? Please give context. Also, UR empty assertions is not honest discussion & direct answering of my points & references.
Oh, and U aoin't "saved"
Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 25:23 & LDS Church's KJV Bible Dictionary under Grace says LDSers R saved "*AFTER* ALL we CAN *DO*", which is "expending YOUR OWN BEST efforts". LDS apostle RD. Hales said in GenConf/Ensign 11/07 "Each of us has been sent to earth by our Heavenly Father to MERIT eternal life".
harry4health 1 month ago
@harry4health You want to talk about blindness? you need to look inward. Your false faith lead by a false apostate from the LORD and is bereft of any authority from God, and in fact was involved in the Dublin Diocese child abuse allegations cover up.
Again, harry, you are lost, and will be found on the left hand of God.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 - Answer this. U & other LDS show spiritual blindness, drinking from poisoned wells. BIBLE in Ps 1 says "Blessed is the man who does NOT walk in the COUNSEL of the ungodly...scoffers". U LDS use anti-Bible destructive leftist rot & skip Bible-affirming sources. The 'henotheism' BS is from those who REJECT biblical inspiration & it holds that Judaism as a human-inspired, naturalistic, evolutionary religion that went from henotheism TO monotheism. U/LDS rebel against PS 1
harry4health 1 month ago
@LDS4Life71 -U really don't wanna be accurate, do U?
1) "false apostate from the Lord"? That doesn't make sense. Apostates aren't from God, & how is one a "FALSE apostate"? Double negative- ends up not being a real apostate!
2) Who's from Dublin that suppose to be connected to my alleged "false faith"? I can't name anyone in Dublin. U don't know what faith I have & faith is defined as belief/trust. Non-Mormons can't have genuine faith in God?
U ranted illogic while ignoring my post
harry4health 1 month ago
@harry4health gee harry. I hope you will take the time to wach your friend from Spokane, Wa, as he tells authorities how he molested kids over and over, and over, and over, and over, and over until you understand that your faith is in vain, and the RCC is completely fraudulent.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 - My "friend"? Wise *ss. WHO? I know no one in Spokane
I'm not Catholic so RCC is irrelevant. U ever think of reigning in UR blurred thinking?
U ignore almost all I posted (dishonest & evasive) & go off on extraneous drivel.
Oh gosh! If a Catholic clergy molests boys, I have to think about it over & over & THAT PROVES "[my] faith is in vain"! My faith isn't hinged on that. Why would I have to spoon feed U that?
R U dwarfed? UR 21? U think like an 11 year old on acid
harry4health 1 month ago
@LDS4Life71 - Why, pray tell, would someone from Spokane molesting kids prove "[my] faith is in vain". Please share the logic & Bible for this revelation, Brainiac.
Oh, and U haven't heard LDS prophet Jsph Smith married a 14/15 yr old, Fannie Alger?
LDS have molesting, etc.Go to Archive*org & enter FULL URL 4 MormonAllaince*org & check for valid links, go to Case Reports- 3 volumes online
I know 2 in 1 LDS ward who molested-1 spoke in priesthood, other was librarian who got LDS kids
harry4health 1 month ago
@LDS4Life71 - NT evangelists preach to unconverted-Acts 8-NOT OLD Covenant-styled LDS 'patriarchs' giving blessings to the converted.
NT Apostles were TOP leaders, not a prophet as in LDS Church (See 1 Cor 12:28; 14:29, Acts 15). NON-prophets gave like Luke & Jude wrote scripture for the WHOLE church & NOT LDS-styled prophet who is only 1 to speak for whole church (TofLP).
1 Cor 12:28-FIRST apostles, SECONDARILY prophets".
LDS= FALSE prophets, FALSE apostles, FALSE 'evangelists'/NO NT patriarch
harry4health 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 - UR empty assertions & 'testimony'-bearing is useless in fact. It is an emotional escape from honest examination & is ANTI-bibilcal for Christians. Instead of insulting other's faith, use UR mind & intellectual honesty.
ALL Bible LDS misuse for COMPLETE apostasy of church fail. LDS Ch now evades more to apostasy of ful gospel. Evasive.
Bible NEVER teaches COMPLETE apostasy of the NT church, so not restoring of it to the earth was needed- Matt 16:18, Eph 3:21, etc.
harry4health 2 months ago
@blakodeel - I have responded to several of LDS4Life71's posts, in case yuo want to check them out. Take care!
harry4health 2 months ago
@KINGxB - U claimed to blakodeel: "They only believe in one god so they do in fact have that." Really? R U LDS?
LDS Church:
"there are THREE separate *Gods*: God the Father-ELOHIM.. Jesus the Christ-JEHOVAH; and the Holy Ghost"- James E. Faust, 4/84 GenConf, Ensign, 5/1984
"the true GODS of heaven" -LDS apostle BR McConkie, Ensign, 5/1978-GenConf
LDS Abr 4:2,10; 5:13:the Gods pronounced..the Gods"
D&C 132:20- some humans "shall be GODS...[and shall] have ALL power"
Who's the "major jackass"?!
harry4health 2 months ago
@stevejames1012-Only 2 Bible ways we R God's children- Mal 2:10 creation & Jn 1:12. LDS polytheistic system of Father Elohim & Heavenly Mother literally birthing us in pre-earth life as we are born of mortal parents is not biblical. If LDS Ch restores NT Christianity, it must fit the Bible, NOT visa versa. LDS Church & members use Bible to pseudo-support the doctrine when it isn't there. Jesus created ALL in heaven, incl angels & we R not LITERAL pre-earth offspring of Heavenly Mother & Father.
harry4health 4 months ago
@harry4health I refer you back to Jeremiah.
stevejames1012 4 months ago
@stevejames1012 - Just referring me to Jeremiah adds nothing & answers nothing.
God knows all from past, present & future. Therefore, he knows about bodies on earth before they they are conceived in womb, knows about what buildings will be built, knew my name would be what it is before it was. Even 1830./etc BOMormon has names of people & what they will do ON earth before they happened.
U can't answer foreknowledge. U add pre-earth life to the text.
harry4health 4 months ago
@harry4health In regards to Jeremiah. God doesn't say "I knew that you would come," He said, "I knew you." That's the key there. That's what separates foreknowledge from pre-earth life.
stevejames1012 4 months ago
God appeared to me and told me Mormons are wrong. He said that Mormonism is the furthest thing from Him. He said that Joseph Smith was a mentally ill man who preyed on the ignorance of people.
schlegelt 5 months ago
@schlegelt You kinda just look like a major jackass for posting such a comment...
KINGxB 3 months ago
@KINGxB Why? Because God spoke to me and told me such things? You are the one acting like a jackass.
schlegelt 2 months ago
@schlegelt no, cuz your making fun of the mormons with ur joke about god... Unless ur serious then I'd like you to prove it or keep your psychotic hallusinations to yourself before your either turned into some awsome prophet who convinces idiots to give you their lifes pretty much or sent to the loony bin...
KINGxB 2 months ago
@KINGxB This is no joke. What is a joke is Joseph Smith reading golden plates out of a hat. Psychotic hallucinations? Where does this leave Joseph Smith?
How exactly would I prove to you that God spoke to me? Is it possible? Furthermore, do not say what I would do were I "some awesome prophet". You know nothing about me nor my teachings.
I am much, much more sane than you, or Mormons for that matter.
I can tell you didn't think before replying. Please make any following responses thoughtful.
schlegelt 2 months ago
@schlegelt I know for a fact that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of Jesus Christ, and you stand accused of calling Jesus Christ a liar.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 You can't know this for a fact. You may believe it, and it may be true to you, but it is no fact. Jesus can think whatever he wants of me, it's no skin off my back. I won't burn in Hell. I won't be punished.
I am closer to God than you could ever hope to be.
schlegelt 2 months ago
@schlegelt You keep telling yourself that and it may become true, but you still haven't entered at the straight gate to eternal life. until you stand in the water a sinner and are baptized under water by one holding God's priesthood, you shall remain on the outside looking in.
The restoration of the true gospel of Christ is completely biblical.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Keep telling yourself that. :D
schlegelt 2 months ago
@schlegelt Your not sane, your an idiot or someone calling another person who made the same stament as you a liar because you think your right and nobody else was.... Do you know anything about Christianity? I've studied it for years along with other religions and cultures surrounding them world-wide. Do you actually think your a prophet? Are you trying to be the next Warren Jeffs? Do you think you should be Pope? Do you know that all Christian denominations are no better than "Mormonisim"?
KINGxB 2 months ago
@KINGxB I don't believe you are qualified to diagnose my sanity. I'm not sure what you are trying to say in the first part. Please clarify.
What does this have to do with Christianity?
I could be considered a prophet, I suppose. But I would say no.
Warren Jeffs sexually assaulted children, I do not wish to emulate him. Or do you mean become leader of a church? No.
Pope is a title in Catholicism, I do not wish this.
Christianity is as foolish as Mormonism, so I agree with you there.
schlegelt 2 months ago
@schlegelt I could be in many countries but I wouldn't have enough evidence to properly support my diagnoses.
I figured you a Christian as it's the usual one but now I'm guessing Muslim altho you could be anything or even your own. The rest was abit more making fun yes but trying to understand your view on what you are like if you thought you should be a prophet, a leader or take over a church position.
All religions can be seen as foolish as one another even Islam and others...
What are you?
KINGxB 2 months ago
@KINGxB I am I.
schlegelt 2 months ago
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harry4health 1 month ago
@stevejames1012-U misunderstand Trinity & build the typical 'strawman' fallacy by distorting other's doctrine & seeking to refute UR distortion. The Trinity is 3 PERSONS (mind/emotion/intellect/will) in ONLY true God that exists- Yahweh/'Jehovah' Elohim. U chose to IGNORE, EVADE & dodge ALL Verses & points & divert to UR argument. UR "exhaustive" list is useless. Use that on MODALISTS, & NOT Trinitrarians
Father & Son R "separate beings". U mean 3 separate & distinct Gods, right?
Deut 6:4-1 God
harry4health 5 months ago
@harry4health I didn't build a strawman but simply showed you what LDS people believe. It is exactly what you just described.
stevejames1012 5 months ago
@stevejames1012 -DSude, U missed it. UR strawman is what OTHERS beleive. A strawman fallacy is MISrepresenting ANOTHER person position & then pseudo-'refute' YOUR distortion of the OTHER'S position. How did U miss it? Was it purposeful evasion, or did U misunderstand? Please go back and answer the points & sources I posted. The Trinity is NOT Jesus 'praying to himself', etc (typical LDS/ JW distortion of Trinity), so UR loist of showing the Father isn't the Son, etc., is useless against TRINITY
harry4health 5 months ago
@harry4health lol "it's 3 but I'm gonna name off 4" Do you really follow the Biggest Christian abomination "Catholics" version of the Trinity and think your better?
I just wrote that above bit and realized I mis-read it but will still post showing intent against Mormon hater making a point about the understandings of things...
KINGxB 2 months ago
@KINGxB - LOL? Mocking now?
harry4health 1 month ago
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@KINGxB- RCC didn't exist until East & West church became separate in 1100AD. Nicea in 325 AD was WELL B4 RCC.
The Trinity affirmed WELL B4 Nicea:
Tertulian, c. *213*: the Three are "three coherent PERSONS", "are one essence" (NOT being) in unity of substance, NOT singularity of number". They are "of ONE substance...ONE God", who are "under the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit", (Against Praxeas). From "God in Three Persons", Cal Beisner, pp 52-58
harry4health 1 month ago
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harry4health 1 month ago
@KINGxB- Oh, so U admit U misread me, but UR going to keep it in post, anyway? U also aren't clear on what the 3/4 clip U used from me. Brilliant. THAT substituted 4 actually directly answering my posts much more than U have.
U also didn't make sense again in the rest of UR post
"Mormon hater"? PLZ. Hypocrite. U spew contempt & hatred & ignore that Mormonism denounced & attacked Christianity- all creeds abomination, no authority if non-LDS church, professing Christians corrupt, etc,etc
harry4health 1 month ago
@harry4health u didn't even really understand what I said from your response... I actually may have read right, I was quickly responding, I do mock the theres 3 but heres 4 and any FAKE CHRISTIAN CUNT who thinks their sect that roots from catholics is any better than the LDS or Mormons... The only REAL christianity is in one's heart and actions taking what they can from the messages of the bible and acting right according to teachings. U also can't prove your interpretation...
KINGxB 1 month ago
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@KINGxB - U can't prove 1100AD RCC invented Trinity. It was in church very ealry (See my post on Trinity in history) & Bible shows it:
- There are three PERSONS:
Matt 28:19
- In only ONE true God who exists:
Deut 6:4-5, Isa 43-47, James 2:19
These three Persons who are the ONE God are:
God the Father- John 4:23-24, Rom 1:7
God the Son, Jesus- John 1:1-14; 8:58; 20:28
God the Holy Spirit- Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor 3:17
Acts 17:11-use already written scripture 2 test, not feelings or insults
harry4health 1 month ago
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
The key word here is "begotten"
See Deut. 14:1 "Ye are the children of the Lord your God" Hosea 1:10 "Ye are the sons of the living God" Acts 17:29 We are "literal offspring" of God. Psalms 82:6 "Ye are gods and all of you are children of the Most High"
Sounds like the doctrine of us being His children is very biblical.
stevejames1012 5 months ago
Mormons are NOT Christians. By definition, Christianity is MONOTHEISTIC.
edadan2009 5 months ago
@edadan2009 MONOTHEISTIC? DO you believe in the Trinity?
stevejames1012 5 months ago
@stevejames1012
Do you believe that God the Father used to be a man? Do you believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers? Do you believe that you too can one day be the "God" of your own universe - if you do enough good works here and now?
None of this is biblical. All of it comes from what one man said. Doesn't it concern you?
edadan2009 5 months ago
@edadan2009 "Do you believe that God the Father used to be a man?" Yes. We are His literal offspring.
"Do you believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers?" Yes. All of us are, see entire old testament specifically references to Lucifer in Isaiah and Job.
Do you believe that you too can one day be the "God" of your own universe - if you do enough good works here and now? Psalms 82:6, but not only my good works now, but the works that I have done and works that I still have to do.
stevejames1012 5 months ago
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@stevejames1012- #2: Paul said HE is the APOSTLE to the GENTILES & PETER is APOSTLE TO the JEWS-Rom 11:13, Gal 2:8. Peter wasn't an LDS prophet/pres over ENTIRE church. NT apostles & prophets R ALWAYS SEPARATED & LOCAL, & "FIRST, apostles, SECONDARILY prophets"- Acts 15, 1 Cor 12:28;14:29. LDS Church has 1 prophet over ENTIRE church w/apostles UNDER him- it violates NT church rank & role of BOTH & so does NOT "follow this organization". LDS guts definition/role/name of NT evangelists (Acts 8)
harry4health 5 months ago 2
@edadan2009 I understand that this may sound heretical and blasphemous to you. I'm sorry if it offends you. I have studied the bible enough to be satisfied that these are true things. I am by no means through studying the bible and have a lot to learn. However, I am satisfied in saying that all of those are true, biblical or not.
stevejames1012 5 months ago
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No, your comments don't offend me at all, but they do greatly alarm me. It absolutely astounds me that anyone can believe what you do - especially if you have really studied the Bible. There is most definitely nothing in the Bible that says that God used to be a man. And, if Jesus, Satan, me, you, etc are all brothers - then John 3:16 is a lie. BTW, words have meanings. There is only one universe - and the ONE and ONLY God created it (Heb 11:3).
edadan2009 5 months ago
@stevejames1012-PT3: Acts 17:29-He did NOT say "LITERAL". U used quote marks, when it is NOT a correct quote.
Acts 17:29. Paul quoted pagan Aratus, to relate a principle to the pagans. Mal 2:10 Hebraism:"Have we not all one FATHER? Has not one God CREATED us?" All are creations of God, w/Yahweh forming the spirit in the womb (Zech 12:1). U started from wrong place-children/creation. Spiritual by faith in Jesus
Isa 43-47,James 2:19 steer us clear of error here-only 1 God, none before/after Yahweh
harry4health 5 months ago
@harry4health "Acts 17:29-He did NOT say "LITERAL". U used quote marks, when it is NOT a correct quote."
Thank you for pointing that out. The fact, however still remains. We are God's children made in His image. You would have us believe that only those who are adopted are His children. This is true of Christ, but not the Father.
This is also shown in Jeremiah 1:5. God knew Jeremiah before he was even formed in the womb. The same is true of us.
stevejames1012 5 months ago
@stevejames1012-P3: JER 1:5-God KNOWS ALL from beginning, now & to eternity-BOM: 2 Ne 9:20 & Moro 7:22, D&C 38:2. LDS Church:"PAST, present, and FUTURE are CONTINUALLY the Lord, D&C 130:7", "ALL *things* are present with [God]...I KNOW *them* ALL" LDS Moses 1:6 (LDS*org LDS scripture Index, Gospel Principles ch 1). Thus, God knows Jeremiah thru his omniscience. Ps 139:16:God has all our days written BEFORE they happen. Isa 46:8-10: God declares end from beginning BEFORE they occur. God knows ALL
harry4health 5 months ago
@harry4health P3 - Thus, God knows Jeremiah thru his omniscience. Yes but the point is that Jeremiah existed before being in the belly. God says, "I knew thee" not "I knew that you would eventually be formed." God knew Jeremiah personally before Jeremiah was even conceived.
stevejames1012 5 months ago
@stevejames1012- U dutifully IGNORED dealing with the FACT that U, as common among Mormons/LDSers, JWs, etc., misrepresent Trinitarian doctrine by using the strawman fallacy on it. The Trinity is 3 Persons in 1 & ONLY 1 God- Yahweh Elohim. Therefore, Jesus in Trinitarianism did NOT 'pray to himself', etc ad nauseum.
God the Son prays to God the Father.
The Trinity is NOT "one PERSON", as U mischaracterize the doctrine.
I hope you stop the strawman fallacies.
Do U admit UR wrong on this?
harry4health 5 months ago
@stevejames1012-Part 4: Exod 21:6; 22:8-9 uses "gods" to refer to HUMAN judges. CONTEXT shows Ps 82 'gods' R SINFUL HUMAN judges or rulers, NOT literal Gods. Ps 82:2-"they JUDGE unjustly"="shapat: act as a MAGISTRATE". (Young's)."How long will you judge UNJUSTLY... But you shall DIE..Arise, O God, judge the earth"
Your view cannot be of LDS LITERAL Gods, since THEY R not unjust & NEVER sin. It contradicts D&C 132 on Godhood & context of Ps 82.
LDS many Gods contradicts Isa 43-47, James 2:19
harry4health 5 months ago
@harry4health Psalms 82:1 "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the GODS."
Verse 6 - Ye are gods and CHILDREN of the most high.
You proof my point exactly. We all have potential to be gods. But we shall judge unjustly, we shall die. Nevertheless, we are referred to as gods.
Next some questions: If we do not become like God and emulate him, what then do we become? What is heaven like in your opinion? Do we have families?
stevejames1012 5 months ago
@stevejames1012- Ps 82 speaks of MORTALS who R FIGURATIVELY called 'gods' to expose & denounce them as unjust sinners who will die. That is NOT LDS Godhood. U trying to say LDS Godhood in eternity is figurative? Water down what it consists of? LDS Godhood- Exalted LDS Gods "have ALL power" (D&C 132:20) and "as man is, GOD once was; as God IS man may BE[COME]", they are "AS GREAT AS God" (Melch Priest study guide 1985 p151/Lsn 21) as married God & goddess. Ps 82 is NOT about MORMON Godhood.
harry4health 5 months ago
@stevejames1012-P2: Deut 14:1 is NOT referring to SPECIFIC LDS doctrine of Elohim the Father & his literal goddess wife LITERALLY conceiving & begetting billions of literal spirit children in pre-earth life. Vs 2 INTERPRETS v1-"Yahweh has CHOSEN U OUT OF ALL peoples" ON earth. LDS DETAILS on the doctrine would show how far apart Deut & Hosea is from LDS errors. I gave CONTEXT in Hos 1:9-10 to show this. U evade all by brief clips of comments.
harry4health 5 months ago
@harry4health P2 - Great point. Vs 2 seems to make it focused on Israel. As well as in Hosea. I admit that I was shortsighted in those verses. That being said, we still have all of the others presented, we also have the book of Job and it's continual reference to the sons of God gathering and rejoicing. We also see the doctrine of men becoming like god in Rom 8:16 -17. The key phrase there is "joint-heirs with Christ." Obviously we must make ourselves part of the chosen Israel to achieve cont
stevejames1012 5 months ago
@harry4health P2 - cont godhood. But the promise is given there. In fact any reference of man becoming like God will apply only to those of Israel. But God, being just gives us all a way to become Israel.
stevejames1012 5 months ago
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@stevejames1012- #2: Paul said HE is the APOSTLE to the GENTILES & PETER is APOSTLE TO the JEWS-Rom 11:13, Gal 2:8. Peter wasn't an LDS prophet/pres over ENTIRE church. NT apostles & prophets R ALWAYS SEPARATED & LOCAL, & "FIRST, apostles, SECONDARILY prophets"- Acts 15, 1 Cor 12:28;14:29. LDS Church has 1 prophet over ENTIRE church w/apostles UNDER him- it violates NT church rank & role of BOTH & so does NOT "follow this organization". LDS guts definition/role/name of NT evangelists (Acts 8)
harry4health 4 months ago
@stevejames1012-P3-Prov PERSONIFIES a PRINCIPLE- wisdom. Wisdom isn't a PERSON.
God knows all, but can't know Jer w/o Jer pre-existing?
"Before I formed YOU *IN* the womb I knew YOU". YOU= BODY./womb
Since Bible God knows all for all time, he knew Jer B4 birth. He also “calleth those things which be not AS THOUGH they WERE” (Romans 4:17). Zech 12:1-our spirits R formed within us.
Not only omniscience but God knew before who would believe beforehand, even though they were not born yet
harry4health 4 months ago
@stevejames1012- #1: U missed it badly. I SAID "NO earthly PROPHET over ENTIRE church". SINGLE prophet as TOP leader, as LDS Monson is. U diverted from 1 earthly PROPHET to apostles- NT apostles NEVER called prophets & Paul was APOSTLE TO Gentiles & Peter APOSTLE TO Jews. U evaded w/"authorities". U IGNORED that too. Jn, Pet & Paul, as I SAID were APOSTLES, so U said NOTHING while saying something. Please go back and directly answer what I wrote. It seems like UR answering someone else's post
harry4health 4 months ago
@stevejames1012-PT2B: IF something is LIKE another, that doesn't mean it's identical or equal. LDS LITERAL Godhood is attaining EQUAL status with Father Elohim (men) & goddess wife (women) w/all power & above all (MP 1985/GP ch47/D&C132/ACM).
Millions of joint-heirs collectively inherit POSSESSIONS, etc, not a mandate to become ALL that God/Jesus ARE, their Deity. Bible states inherit as a GROUP. Unless U believe in Celestial Socialism.
U & LDS Church err on this, as well.
harry4health 4 months ago
@harry4health "Millions of joint-heirs collectively inherit POSSESSIONS, etc, not a mandate to become ALL that God/Jesus ARE, their Deity. Bible states inherit as a GROUP."
Where does this specify possessions?
stevejames1012 4 months ago
@stevejames1012- #3: Why skip CONTEXT of Rev 21:7? What's contrasted, included, surrounding points?:
Rev 21- No more tears, inherit New Jerusalem as those who have salvation & not inherit the second death.
The textual context is salvation in God's presence. Heb 11 speaks of inheriting salvation. No becoming literal Gods & goddesses with "ALL power" (D&C 132:20) as Elohim has "all power" (Gospel Principles ch 1) & become "as great as God" (MelPriest guide 1985 151) & Heavenly Mother (ACM).
harry4health 4 months ago
@harry4health "The textual context is salvation in God's presence (rev. 21:7)" You're inserting that context yourself. Lets look at what the BIBLE says "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."
inherit ALL things - He shall be my son
These are not figurative.
Heb. 11 speaks of the power of faith.
stevejames1012 4 months ago
@harry4health Regarding Rev. context. How do you explain Rev. 3:21
"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne"
This clearly implies that we will inherit Godhood and sit on His throne. This does not lower God by any means, it only accomplishes his purpose for us. Combine this with other references to co-heirs with Christ.
stevejames1012 4 months ago
@stevejames1012- #2: The TEXT of Rev 2:17 also says "all THINGS".
Bible's usage- LAND, goods, etc.
Deut 25:19 POSSESS *land* as inheritance
Zech 8:11-13: fruit, crops,rain as inheritance
Acts 13:19-LAND. POSSESSING *land*.
Heb 1:14 speaks of "those who will inherit salvation"
It isn't speaking of only those who will become literal LDS Gods & "as great as God" (MP 1985, 151) as equal Gods with the Father.
Also, how did contemporaries use inherit?
Rev 2:17- "all THINGS/all THESE THINGS"-Greek.
harry4health 4 months ago
@harry4health "All things = Bible's usage- LAND, goods, etc."
Says who? Did you receive revelation that this is what the scripture is speaking of? These are all part of the Abrahamic covenant: land, posterity, priesthood, salvation and exaltation. Your personal identification of "the bibles' usage" of this term only covers parts of this.
stevejames1012 4 months ago
@stevejames1012- #1: UR thinking shallow. If U read an ancient document, U R to find out what terms THEY used & how THEY used it, applied it, etc. Common sense helps here. If I inherit what someone HAS, those are POSSESSIONS. I don't become that person, or it's equal.
If a group of people inherit ALL someone HAS (quote common today), we split the POSSESSIONS. Examples are in the millions.
Also, the biblical doctrine isn't going to contradict Deut 43-47, Deut 6:4-5, James 2:19. No other true God
harry4health 4 months ago
@harry4health "If I inherit what someone HAS, those are POSSESSIONS" And what does God POSSESS? We do not become Him, we become like Him. Very different.
Your example of inheritance provides a great way to explain Eternal inheritance. We receive all that He has, just like a son receives all that his father leaves him. But when the son grows up and has his own kids, his dad doesn't seize to be a father, neither does God seize to be our GOD.
stevejames1012 4 months ago
@harry4health I assure you that LDS doctrine is far closer to the context of what THEY meant than any other group that I have encountered.
stevejames1012 4 months ago
@stevejames1012- Sorry, but all U said any evangelical can say. LDS term "only begotten of the Father in the FLESH" & what LDS Church prophets & apostles have said in LDS Church materials go far beyond the generic info
LDS Church & leaders have taken BEGOTTEN as LITERAL *begetting* of Jesus by Elohim the Father & Mary. They err by shallow misuse of Bible & skip Greek.
LDS Church teaches first begetting was of Father & Heavenly Mother as first one BORN of all spirit children (Lucifer is another).
harry4health 4 months ago
@harry4health We already went over the greek and that reinforces the LDS view "unique"=only in the flesh etc.
stevejames1012 4 months ago
@stevejames1012 -What U left out is the LDS details- God the Father LITERALLY begat/sired Jesus "in the SAME sense as WE are the sons of mortal PARENTS...LITERALLY, ACTUALLY" (What the Mormons Think of Christ 1,44). LDS Church also denies Matt 1:20 that explicitly states he was "conceived/begotten OF [ek=OUT OF"] the HOLY SPIRIT", while LDS Ch says no. Father used the HS, not his sperm. That is the ONLY way we are kids "OF mortal parentS"= Mom & dad.
LDS Ch twists begotten
U ignored DETAILS
harry4health 2 months ago
@stevejames1012 - R U simplistic? Shallow? The ancient idea of inheritance refers to POSSESSIONS. Even modern idea is same. Bible has "inherit all THINGS".
God ain't a thing.
I don't become the person who I am inheriting from. I inherit what he HAS, and NOT WHO he IS. Kinda basic & even a child can understand that one.
If U can't understand basics on inheritance & need 2 be spoon fed it, U need to re-evaluate UR thinking.
U strain at a gnat while swallowing a camel, as NT's Jesus said.
harry4health 2 months ago
@harry4health Wassup with the ALLCAPS. I doesn't exaggerate your point. It makes you look juvenile and ignorant. That being said, "What are God's possessions?" If that's what we're promised, what are they?
stevejames1012 2 months ago
@stevejames1012 - UR straining at a gnat & swallowing a camel, as NT says. Since YT only allows 500 spaces per post, & doesn't have italics & bold 4 posts, I use CAPS & it is FAR from "ALLCAPS" (U mean ALL CAPS?). I'm not trying to "exaggerate [my] point}, but EMPHASIS it. It is a normal way of doing so outside of online world. U try to tell me CAPS doesn't EMPHASIS points? That's weak & bogus, at best. Instead of objecting to SOME CAPS & NOT *ALL* CAPS, answer more of my posts
harry4health 1 month ago
@stevejames1012 - What are God's possessions? Easy: "The EARTH IS Yahweh's & the *fulness* of IT" (1 Cor 10:26, vss 25-27/Ps 50:12, & Ps 104:24: "O LORD, how manifold are Your WORKS!/In wisdom You have MADE THEM all./The EARTH is FULL of Your POSSESSIONS" & "the WORLD is MINE, and all ITS fullness". ALSO: Ex. 9:29; 19:5; Deut. 10:14; Job 41:11; Ps. 50:12. Christians inherit from what is God's from heaven & earth in the 'millennium' & etc- Isa 65:17-25, Rev 21.
harry4health 1 month ago
@harry4health I will gladly answer to your posts, even though they hurt my eyes to read. btw "emphasize" is what your looking for, not "emphasis." Your answer to me question is partially correct. His possessions are not just this world, but all worlds ever created. Therefore if we become "joint-heirs" with Christ and receive a portion of that inheritance by becoming "One" with God as Jesus plead with the Father that we could be, then we would receive His possessions according to ur definition
stevejames1012 1 month ago
@stevejames1012 - Sorry, but U wanted BIBLE, nor LDS Bk of Moses. Bible only knows of 1 inhabited earth. Bible I gave has content of BIBLE passages. LDS Church states that we can become literal exalted & eternally married Gods & goddesses over our own billions of spirit children, so they can expend their efforts & become Gods & goddesses, etc. These Gods have "ALL power' (D&C 132) as Father Elohim has "ALL power" (GospPrinc 1), etc. LDS Godhood includes ALL he IS. Bible does NOT.
harry4health 1 month ago
@stevejames1012 - If you want to save your eyes from being 'strained' at my posts, you can always privately email me here on YouTube in my Inbox. I won't have to 'scrunch' points, passages and references.
harry4health 1 month ago
@stevejames1012 - You skipped almost all of my posts & points. Please directly answer those posts & the latest.
harry4health 5 months ago
@edadan2009 I pretty sure Mormons only believe in one "GOD" dude so infact they are monotheistic but they do believe in becoming god-like in a sence that is not understood or believed in the same way by each member of the LDS church. Chrisitianity is really just based on the life and teachings of Jesus in a monotheistic format in which the LDS church fits if you have full understanding of it but ya "Christianity", Islam, Judaism and even the Mormon faith's are simply Abraham based groups of man.
KINGxB 3 months ago
@KINGxB
The truth you need to find is in Jesus Christ. Many people believe many different things about who He was. As for me, He is God's ONLY begotten Son and the ONLY way to the Father in Heaven. If you are seeking the truth, read your Bible - and stay far away from anything that is mormon.
edadan2009 3 months ago
@edadan2009 Ya, your beliefs are fine but hate towards 1 group upon counless groups with different beliefs even including the different "denominations of Christianity" is just rediculous... Why don't u think of Jesus's teachings and show respect and understanding and try and simply educate others as he did showing your faith and helping others learn instead of looking like an ASS insulting them?
KINGxB 3 months ago
@KINGxB
Did you ever wonder why Jesus was executed in the most horrific manner that was available in His day? Did you ever wonder why 11 of the 12 apostles were also executed? Did you ever wonder why Paul was given 39 lashes on 5 seperate occasions, beaten with a rod on 3 occasions, stoned and finally beheaded?
Before you believe the lie that Christianity is politically correct or is inoffensive, you need to read, study and understand God's Word (the Bible).
edadan2009 3 months ago
@edadan2009 wtf? 1st the bible is man's word of god and wtf r u even talking about? None of what you said was really relevant as a response to what I said so what are you trying to say? If it is that your a jew and jew's can kill christians then I may see a point but it's rediculous otherwise you just replied with worthless knowledge/opinion
KINGxB 3 months ago
So glad i left the "Corporation of the President" its simply not true & simply....not christian.
rblnz73 5 months ago
@rblnz73 How is it a corporation of the President?
stevejames1012 5 months ago
@stevejames1012 Open a Book of Mormon and read the "copyright" section
rblnz73 5 months ago
@rblnz73 Idk what "copyright" section you refer to. What you find on the title page is simply, "published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." What does that have to do with a "corporation of the president?"
stevejames1012 5 months ago
@stevejames1012 check the first say 6 pages VERY carefully.
rblnz73 5 months ago
@rblnz73 All I see in terms of copyright is the intellectual reserve. No reference to a president.
stevejames1012 5 months ago
@stevejames1012 - "In 1923, the church incorporated the Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". When LDS prophet ET Benson got sicker w/"blood clots in the brain, dementia, strokes, and heart attacks..pnemonia" they switched to "Corporation of the Presidency [etc]". They switched in 1997 for Intellectual Reserve, a few years after his death in 1994. Also, there's "the Corporation of the Presiding Bishop of [ch-JC/LDS]". Has that changed?
harry4health 5 months ago
@stevejames1012-PART 2:
*HOSEA 1:10-CONTEXT! SPIRITUAL harlotry by DEPARTING FROM God (v3). Hos 1:9: you are NOT My PEOPLE" contrast vs 10: "it was said of them, U R NOT my PEOPLE..it shall be said of them 'YOU [ISRAEL] ARE the sons of the living God". Again-adoption as spiritual sons/Chosen People. It isn't about a pre-earth begetting by LDS Elohim the Father & his goddess wife, our 'Heavenly Mother'. UR misuse of verse is WAY off. NOT his people/ARE his people- NO pre-earth literal begetting
harry4health 5 months ago
@stevejames1012-PT 6: Gross misuse:
*JOHN 3:16 "BEGOTTEN"-Jesus IS 'MONOGENES'. Greek IS UNIQUE, ONE OF a KIND". HE is "only UNIQUE Son". No proven connection as LDS dogma claims. ALL are earthly creations/children (Mal 2:10). ONLY other way is spiritual adoption by saving faith in Jesus-Jn 1:12
U have violated 2 Tim 2:15 by not 'accurately handling' the Bible & U violate Acts 17:11 because U grab at Bible to support LDS Church & leaders, instead of truly testing BY careful testing BY Bible
harry4health 5 months ago
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@harry4health "U have violated 2 Tim 2:15 by not 'accurately handling' the Bible" That's a harsh claim that is extremely subjective. It's premise lies in the idea that the bible in infallible and 100% correct and untainted. This is not the case and therefore the premise is false.
stevejames1012 5 months ago
Over 13 million members, though probably only 3-5 million active. It's also not growing anywhere close to how fast they will have you believe between the people every single day sending in letters to get their names removed from the church, and people every week becoming inactive in the church.
EricaHopkirk 6 months ago
@EricaHopkirk Do you have anything to back those numbers up?
stevejames1012 5 months ago
@stevejames1012 People always boast higher numbers than what the real number is. That guess comes from people who I know who are active in the church for 20-40+ years. Take World of Warcraft for example. They claim to have over 12 mil subscribers also but they don't have anywhere near 12 million active. Even a silly game won't release the real numbers, and neither will your church. They also don't like us finding out about their prophets being paid, which we do have documentation that they are.
EricaHopkirk 5 months ago
@EricaHopkirk "They also don't like us finding out about their prophets being paid, which we do have documentation that they are." Where is said documentation?
Three things: 1) the church never specifies who is active and who isn't because a member is a member and the reactivation of a person can take years and is not a black and white thing. 2) Where do you get the 3-5 million being active number from? and 3) how many members (active or inactive) are there in your church?
stevejames1012 5 months ago
@stevejames1012 I explained the 3-5 million was a guess by many active members of the Church, all of which have 20-40+ years active. You have nothing that shows how many are active, I have nothing that shows how many aren't. Either way, its not 13 million active as they want you to believe.
Look up Quinn's research in 1984. Tithing was used to buy businesses for the church. Prophets were put on business boards, earning a lot of money, including Monson
Also, I don't belong to any church.
EricaHopkirk 5 months ago
@EricaHopkirk " Either way, its not 13 million active as they want you to believe."
They only "want us to believe" that there are 13 million members. Like I said before, activity in the church is not a black a