Mattsiev, you're and idiot. You were never in a buick club because you seem to stupid to even be out of grade school, ever heard of spell check?? Regal T's and GN's have the same performance since they have the exact same drivetrain. The T-Types actually were a tenth faster in 86-87 because of alum bumper supports and alum rear drums making them lighter than a GN.
@TheGovernment69 I think you need to learn to read and write. The comments made "@mattsiev1" are not by me but to me. You start off your comment with, "...you're and idiot". I'm "and" idiot? Maybe you should spell check before you flame. BTW, I'm the one making the argument that performance is the same on these variations of turbo Buicks and not the contrary.
@TheGovernment69 you are wrong... not all T-types had aluminum bumper supports only the WE4. we4 option was a black T with black out option and came with the supports.
@EaStxVaNxiNc You have NO idea what you are talking about so I will guide you. A turbo regal, T-Type, and GN all have the EXACT same powerplant. The only one that was different was the GNX it had a ceramic compressor wheel, bigger cooler, looser converter, traction aid, ported heads, and different chip.
@W31350 yes u also forgot the main difference in GNX was last yr on grand national prodution and they it sent to amc mclaren were the biggest difference is in the suspension plus gauges indash
and the grand national is heavier in weight but can handle 1000 more options and upgrades then the tubro-t
witch is not EXACT same as u claim do some more resarch i can go for dayz
@EaStxVaNxiNc From a drivetrain perspective, the 1987 Turbo-T, the 1986 T-Type, and the 1986 and 1987 Grand Nationals are IDENTICAL in drivetrain and output. In many cases, the Ts were faster from having less options but for the most part, any option available on a Grand National was also available on the Ts. The GNX has the only real differences and you are correct, those differences were performed by ASC Mclaren. The window stickers for GNXs never even stated "Buick" but ASC as manufacturer.
@EaStxVaNxiNc There is no difference between a Turbo T and a Grand National. The chips and turbos and rotating assemblies and cams and converters and intercoolers and alky all work equally in both.
@mattsiev1 from less options ur an idiot wut options did the gn have that would make it more wight u morron the frames r diffret not from options or some bullshit u maken up :)
@EaStxVaNxiNc The frames are not different. What are you on? GNs more commonly had power seats, t tops, and power windows were standard on a GN thus making them, in general, heavier, and slower than a Turbo-T/T Type without these same options. But only in stock trim. Modifications change the whole playing field but clearly you don't know much about these cars, or at least as much as you think.
@EaStxVaNxiNc Sorry about the shit talkin'. But yes, I'm sure about the frames. GM is a big company that likes to make money so they build as many different cars out of the same stuff underneath that they can. They still do it that way today.
@mattsiev1 in the 87 turbo t - WE4 witch is the yr and model your talkin about has little difference in frame and body but still main difference was suspension agine
87 turbo t we-4 is a great car but no performance no match to gn
@mattsiev1 how many time do i have to correct u if ur not talkin about the we-4 then ur sadly wrong on the the 1987 we-4 came the same expect for badge and braces and chrome pakage but for the regal turbo t outa of thats yr (87we-4) arnt the same the grandnation has a stage 2 buick gnx has the stage 3frame and next 2 a regal turbo t other then one yr 87 we-4 arnt the same so u should states wut ur saying wen maken a point i was in a buick club i had this argee ment with many new comers
@mattsiev1 clearly i have owed 2 GN u clearly have owned a garbage bfor 86 type t or maybe a buddi or urs owned it to much for u now u trying to act like u no more or less im done talkin with ur clown ass wikipedia grand national and it will show ur stupid ass it self GN handles more upgrades then a type t they anit putting no fuckin upgrade stock morron
@EaStxVaNxiNc How have you "clearly" owned two GNs? I clearly race my car and know a thing or two, and can spell! I'm no expert with these cars, but neither are you obviously. Keep living your life by wikipedia and let me know how that pans out for you.
@W31350 The heads and converter were actually the same as a Grand National too but the valve body was modified for different shifts. The cooler was the same too but had more fins per square inch resulting in better cooling effectiveness.
@W31350 I don't think that's accurate. Where have you seen that the heads were different? And I know for a fact the converters were the same D5 found in all turbo regal 200-4R. The GNX spooled quicker from the lightweight, ceramic impeller on the turbo and not from the converter, if that's what you are referencing.
@EaStxVaNxiNc It's not a Grand National, same drivetrain and body, but if we're being technical...it's a Turbo-T, not to be confused with the 84-86 T-Types.
@SCBianchi I sure do. Although nobody knows what it is. I just say "yes" when people say, is that a GN? Most people who know what a GNX is also know my car is not one despite the body additions so I don't get that one very often. I did when I had the GNX badges on, but that's why they are gone now, previous owner installed them.
If you click on "edit video", there's an option where you can stabilize it to remove the shakiness.
lyonsd1875 1 week ago
that buick looks exactly like mines bt mines is a 1986 t type buick regal
youngconvicts19 3 months ago
Mattsiev, you're and idiot. You were never in a buick club because you seem to stupid to even be out of grade school, ever heard of spell check?? Regal T's and GN's have the same performance since they have the exact same drivetrain. The T-Types actually were a tenth faster in 86-87 because of alum bumper supports and alum rear drums making them lighter than a GN.
For god sakes use spell check too.
TheGovernment69 7 months ago
@TheGovernment69 I think you need to learn to read and write. The comments made "@mattsiev1" are not by me but to me. You start off your comment with, "...you're and idiot". I'm "and" idiot? Maybe you should spell check before you flame. BTW, I'm the one making the argument that performance is the same on these variations of turbo Buicks and not the contrary.
mattsiev1 7 months ago
@TheGovernment69 you are wrong... not all T-types had aluminum bumper supports only the WE4. we4 option was a black T with black out option and came with the supports.
W31350 7 months ago
@TheGovernment69 Speaking of spell check, I'm assuming you meant "AN" not "AND" when you decided to call him an idiot, huh?
You should read your OWN writing before critiquing others, idiot.
busaking1340 4 months ago
yess wanna be grandnational type t anit got shit on GN
EaStxVaNxiNc 10 months ago
@EaStxVaNxiNc You are obviously a scholar. Play on!
mattsiev1 10 months ago
@EaStxVaNxiNc You have NO idea what you are talking about so I will guide you. A turbo regal, T-Type, and GN all have the EXACT same powerplant. The only one that was different was the GNX it had a ceramic compressor wheel, bigger cooler, looser converter, traction aid, ported heads, and different chip.
W31350 10 months ago
@W31350 yes u also forgot the main difference in GNX was last yr on grand national prodution and they it sent to amc mclaren were the biggest difference is in the suspension plus gauges indash
and the grand national is heavier in weight but can handle 1000 more options and upgrades then the tubro-t
witch is not EXACT same as u claim do some more resarch i can go for dayz
EaStxVaNxiNc 10 months ago
@EaStxVaNxiNc From a drivetrain perspective, the 1987 Turbo-T, the 1986 T-Type, and the 1986 and 1987 Grand Nationals are IDENTICAL in drivetrain and output. In many cases, the Ts were faster from having less options but for the most part, any option available on a Grand National was also available on the Ts. The GNX has the only real differences and you are correct, those differences were performed by ASC Mclaren. The window stickers for GNXs never even stated "Buick" but ASC as manufacturer.
mattsiev1 10 months ago
@mattsiev1 ya that talkin bone stock then upgrades and chips is where the grand national will out performe the turbo t
they are both very nice and as we speak the 86 are classic and the owners of these beast are thankful they never bin street legal tested
EaStxVaNxiNc 10 months ago
@EaStxVaNxiNc There is no difference between a Turbo T and a Grand National. The chips and turbos and rotating assemblies and cams and converters and intercoolers and alky all work equally in both.
mattsiev1 10 months ago
@mattsiev1 yesss there iss by the main thing the wight
EaStxVaNxiNc 9 months ago
@EaStxVaNxiNc The Ts were lighter from less options so why again would a GN be faster?
mattsiev1 9 months ago
@mattsiev1 from less options ur an idiot wut options did the gn have that would make it more wight u morron the frames r diffret not from options or some bullshit u maken up :)
EaStxVaNxiNc 9 months ago
@EaStxVaNxiNc The frames are not different. What are you on? GNs more commonly had power seats, t tops, and power windows were standard on a GN thus making them, in general, heavier, and slower than a Turbo-T/T Type without these same options. But only in stock trim. Modifications change the whole playing field but clearly you don't know much about these cars, or at least as much as you think.
mattsiev1 9 months ago
@mattsiev1 are u 100% sure about the frame ???? or agine talk shit
EaStxVaNxiNc 9 months ago
@EaStxVaNxiNc Sorry about the shit talkin'. But yes, I'm sure about the frames. GM is a big company that likes to make money so they build as many different cars out of the same stuff underneath that they can. They still do it that way today.
mattsiev1 9 months ago
@mattsiev1 in the 87 turbo t - WE4 witch is the yr and model your talkin about has little difference in frame and body but still main difference was suspension agine
87 turbo t we-4 is a great car but no performance no match to gn
WHAT WINS ON SUNDAY - SELL'S ON MONDAY
EaStxVaNxiNc 9 months ago
@EaStxVaNxiNc How many times do you need to hear that the performance is the same? The only difference was badges.
mattsiev1 9 months ago
@mattsiev1 how many time do i have to correct u if ur not talkin about the we-4 then ur sadly wrong on the the 1987 we-4 came the same expect for badge and braces and chrome pakage but for the regal turbo t outa of thats yr (87we-4) arnt the same the grandnation has a stage 2 buick gnx has the stage 3frame and next 2 a regal turbo t other then one yr 87 we-4 arnt the same so u should states wut ur saying wen maken a point i was in a buick club i had this argee ment with many new comers
EaStxVaNxiNc 9 months ago
@mattsiev1 clearly i have owed 2 GN u clearly have owned a garbage bfor 86 type t or maybe a buddi or urs owned it to much for u now u trying to act like u no more or less im done talkin with ur clown ass wikipedia grand national and it will show ur stupid ass it self GN handles more upgrades then a type t they anit putting no fuckin upgrade stock morron
EaStxVaNxiNc 9 months ago
@EaStxVaNxiNc How have you "clearly" owned two GNs? I clearly race my car and know a thing or two, and can spell! I'm no expert with these cars, but neither are you obviously. Keep living your life by wikipedia and let me know how that pans out for you.
mattsiev1 9 months ago
@W31350 The heads and converter were actually the same as a Grand National too but the valve body was modified for different shifts. The cooler was the same too but had more fins per square inch resulting in better cooling effectiveness.
mattsiev1 10 months ago
@mattsiev1 heads were the same but were ported which makes a big difference. converter was looser which also makes a difference.
W31350 9 months ago
@W31350 I don't think that's accurate. Where have you seen that the heads were different? And I know for a fact the converters were the same D5 found in all turbo regal 200-4R. The GNX spooled quicker from the lightweight, ceramic impeller on the turbo and not from the converter, if that's what you are referencing.
mattsiev1 9 months ago
@mattsiev1 It appears we are both wrong ; ) the converter is different but the heads were not ported.
go here and look under performance modifications. gnxregistry
W31350 9 months ago
@W31350 Thanks. Good to know.
mattsiev1 9 months ago
turbo t heheh
Grandnational FTW
EaStxVaNxiNc 10 months ago
@EaStxVaNxiNc It's not a Grand National, same drivetrain and body, but if we're being technical...it's a Turbo-T, not to be confused with the 84-86 T-Types.
mattsiev1 10 months ago
Gotta love a WE4!
SCBianchi 1 year ago
@SCBianchi I sure do. Although nobody knows what it is. I just say "yes" when people say, is that a GN? Most people who know what a GNX is also know my car is not one despite the body additions so I don't get that one very often. I did when I had the GNX badges on, but that's why they are gone now, previous owner installed them.
mattsiev1 10 months ago