I'm so sorry this had to happen, Stephanie..consider checking out John and Paula Sanford ministry..you will find enough information online to be able to receive help from this trauma. God bless you honey...the Lord loves you..these people are the ones who need help, not you.
ihopu is good if u dnt understand something u go to a leader about it and ask them to explain if u still dnt get it bind deaf and dumb spirits ihopu is a god fearing college nd the devil wants to destroy the end time movement if u dnt agree then u need to read ur bible more and stop bein so religious nd see how much it lines up with the word of god
@roberttherhino So ... IHOP is great and if you can't see that they're perfect, then you must have a demon. Is that your position really?
Show me a "seminary" in the Bible. Show me where the New Testament church bought buildings. Show me where being a denomination is OK. Show me how much IHOP is feeding the poor and clothing the naked. 2% of budget? 5%? That's not "extravagant giving to the poor."
Be aware that IHOP is not what it seems to be... Who is covering this prophet? Christ? A prophet must operate in a specific geographic area according to God's ordering and must be under a higher ministerial-based authority.. that's God's ordering of ministries | God the Father >God the Son> 7 Stars (symbolic number) > Candlesticks. Stars are apostles appointed by HIM. They cover the rest of the other primary ministries (4). The problem is that, by nature, man is rebellious..
So sorry for Stephanie's story, but what she says about the house of prayer is not true at all. I love it, it calms me down so much, the anointing is so special, they really love Jesus, no doubts at all about that. Hoping my daughter will want to go, and I wish I could go. I am from Toronto, problably the place where they wanted to send Stephanie. Too bad she never came, she would have met the Father and got rid of anything not from God in her. The ministry of this church is The Father's Love.
if you make IHOP or ANY OTHER MINISTRY your primary focus and not God, then yeah, you're going to get messed up! IHOP is not supposed to be the primary focus, nor does ANYONE there from what i've seen allude to anyone making IHOP the primary focus, but rather they ALWAYS proclaim Jesus for Who He TRULY Is, as well as the Holy Spirit! i know that ever since i've been watching the webstream since OneThing 09, i've been MASSIVELY blessed by the Presence of God!
This is a sad story about stephine! I am sorry for her hurt and all that she encountered.But as with any big ministry things will be said and done that seems like it is the whole of the ministry but is a small fraction of people working it out.I'm sure one day she will look back and see this as a opportunity(b/c she seeks Jesus)to grow from. As all belivers"who hang out long enough in the church"we mature, grow up and learn.Usually when we struggle with someone else it is usually about ourselves
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.- 1 Timothy 5:20
Pastors and leaders don't like it very much when we show them this verse when they screw up... apparently that scripture wasn't intended for them... Im sick of pastors, leaders, and ministries trying to cover up their own sins and throw everyone else under the bus. expose them for who they really are.
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.- 1 Timothy 5:20
Pastors and leaders don't like it very much when we show them this verse when they screw up... apparently that scripture wasn't intended for them... Im sick of pastors, leaders, and ministries trying to cover up their own sins and throw everyone else under the bus. expose them for who they really are.
Stephanie, I am sorry this happened to you. It seems like much of the 'religious free christians' these days like to 'cry demon' when someone doesn't fall in alignment with their teaching. Or my personal experience, They teach you to hear and listen to the voice of God in your life and then when you come to them with excitement to tell them what God said they are fearful for you because you didn't come to them and seek their guidance.
I'm sorry but I disagree I live here in Kansas city and go to Ihop the high points in my week. I p ray fir your soul that God would brake in with truth in your life. Because here at Ihop I've become a much better person than I was and I have become of a deep relashinship with God. I pray you will see the truth
My 19 year old sister recently was recruited to go to IHOP in Kansas. Our family grew up Catholic and we lived happily all together without any problems until she started dating someone who was the son of their group leader. She started to go to these group meetings and within two weeks she completely changed by dissassociating herself with all of her friends and family. She was told that we were all sinners and that only their group can save her. Their group leader was a strong 2012 end of th
I have been involed for a long time with ihop and i have had nothing but positive (spiritual) and even physical blessing and growth in my life. If it wernt for this i would still be a lost wonderwer in this world, with that in mind i know that when im being attacked (spiritually) i need to word up pray and meditate on the voice of god, in doing so i find my strength tolerrence pacient, love. also a peace or mind body and soul from the lord. to sumerize ihop is great!
Sorry, I have been at IHOP and prayed too many times to believe this. My son is flourishing and so is his wife. My baby granddaughter is being raised up by two God loving and God fearing people who's lives were made so much better by IHOP. My son is not ignorant and I raised him up in the Spirit Filled and Full Gospel Word. Do no touch God's anointed. That would be my son.
@dathisfeet There are many wonderful, God-fearing, Christ-loving people there. Nobody is saying that it's all wicked. As with any organization, there are problems. God chastens those He loves. If you are 95% without sin, you can be SURE that God will send someone or do something to point to the 5% & ask you to fix it.
Believe what you want, but I'm not insulting your son. I have talked to MANY witnesses and there are some real problems. God will expose it all and fix it in His time. Just pray.
These are lies. My son attended IHOPU and is now on prayer room staff! He in no way has seen such practices and is a mighty man of God. There is a spirit of the love of God at IHOP. Anyone who believes any different needs to go there and experience the love for themselves. Stop the hate and bashing.
@dathisfeet I've been there and I've talked to lots of witnesses. This video is an accurate retelling of what happened to Stephanie and I have talked to other young people threatened with deliverance "re-education camps" because they had a "demonic question-asking spirit." Things are not always as they seem. No one is saying everyone there is bad or that there is no good fruit at all. Simply that something is wrong about their handling of people that don't "get with the program."
I think you should take this video of the youtube channel. People are being saved just by music and watching videos. I understand that you might feel spiritual warfare before entering the prayerroom but have you thought about that YOU might have done great prayers for GOD and that our little enemy has won a victory over you by not letting you enter. A real spirit is love from GOD love another as yourself. I think this video shows the opposite of it. GOD bless you
I think you should take this video of the youtube channel. People are being saved just by music and watching videos. I understand that you might feel spiritual warfare before entering the prayerroom but have you thought about that YOU might have done great prayers for GOD and that our little enemy has won a victory over you by not letting you enter. A real spirit is love from GOD love another as yourself. I think this video shows the opposite of it. GOD bless you
This video smacks of a carefully constructed message designed to play on peoples emotions. The spirit behind them is not a breath of life, nor does it carry a feeling of conviction, but rather of fear. These words are clearly of a soulish nature as it easily discerned by anyone who is mature and has their spiritual senses exercised and can have no benefit.
@THEFORCEFUL What you mean is that though you weren't there and you don't know for sure and you can't directly refute any of the testimony and you don't even know the people involved - your idol has been assaulted, so it must be from a wrong spirit. And the voice you hear reinforces your feeling that there just HAS to be something wrong with this.
@fotm1 You do say you will see, yet in fact you will not. You may have set up an idol of repentance. People who are so focused on the negative of other ministries usually have. They do well and mean well, but in the end it is a religious spirit of achievement because thy don't feel important.
@THEFORCEFUL Oh, I'm sure that sooner or later all the books will be opened and the Lord will make it clear who was telling the truth and who wasn't. You're betting on one horse, I'm betting on another. At some point they cross the finish line. God is watching. He knows where the truth lies.
Let me try another way. You build your altar and I'll build my altar and we'll see which catches fire first.
Every awesome move of God always brings controversy and dis-unity. There was even dis-unity in the New Testament Church... Its a part of life and tearing down other ministries "Judging" isn't really a spirit of Christ... God bless you, we server a big God that transcends alot of things... even things we may think is a big deal to us but to him probably not... Especially when it is personal. I have met 100's of people who have gone through IHOP. Interesting Video.
@ckinglife Sometimes really twisted religious groups that have NOTHING to do with God also bring controversy and disunity. It's bad logic to say that just because you're persecuted it MUST mean that you're right.
We are commanded to judge, to defend the faith, to blow the trumpet of warning and to correct elders publicly (I Tim 5:20). If you are His kids, even if you're 95% right, God WILL send someone with a word of correction to try to push you to PERFECT. Too many people reject correction.
@fotm1 Its not a war your fighting. We are called to judge but we also must be very careful to judge one another. Especially when we don't take a deep look at our selves. I agree in 90% of any MOVE, CHURCH, or Gathering there are questionable things that may happen from time to time. Look at the early church and what they faced. It makes no difference whether its good intentions. Its still causes dis-unity and confusion which I can only guess where that comes from..
Firstly this is one sided and a story always seems to be correct when one side is heard but it takes two hands to clap. It is very possible that Stephanie had major issues and that leaders were trying to help her but we will never know as all we have is a one sided accusation.I know Sabrina Walsh and she is being portrayed as a 'former witch' hello we were all a former something. This doesnt disqualify any who have been washed in the blood of Christ. I find the name Delilah interesting!
It seems like any ministry so intent on speaking against another ministry is quite contradictory to what God calls us to do. Yes we are supposed to hold each other accountable which I see that you're trying to do, but it doesn't seem to be done out of love but more of a downgrading nature. Also I don't see any videos that encourage those at IHOP in any way. Yes we need to be aware of being misled spiritually, but EVERYTHING must be done out of love and encouragement, even in accountability.
@Mlnewton24 Really? Hpw many of my videos have you watched? The 24/7 prayer video is very encouraging, urging people to step it up and be 24/7 prayer rooms ALL BY THEMSELVES instead of in shifts. I have one inviting people to come visit. I don't think you really know my heart.
@fotm1 I am not interested in your co-out theory. I will pray that you will grow out of believing you are saved through cognitive thinking rather than through true connection with the LORD.
@jameslinmd But I don't believe that AT ALL!! And if you were hearing the Holy Spirit even a little bit, you'd KNOW that I don't believe that at all. I have TONS of videos on hear about the danger of that very thing. You're fussing about idle words while you're speaking unannointed things based on assumption and presumption.
@fotm1 You are engaging in an intellectual debate, of which I am much less interested about. For believing GOD is not the matter of MIND, but the matter of the SPIRIT.
Like I said, if you are truly in tuned with the SPIRIT, you will KNOW THE TRUTH and the truth will set you free. Most people operate in the realm of the MIND and it will only lead to more questions and confusion.
Concern for others isn't/shouldn't be the primary focus in following the LORD, but doing his will is. Did GOD tell you to voice your opinion about some ministry, or is it your own zeal???
Staying faithful to GOD is following him and doing what he says. It is not about DEFENDING what WE THINK IS RIGHT. GOD call me to IHOP two years ago and I haven't look back since. I am not part of the ministry nor do I care unless GOD wants me to. I don't question because I am only interested in his voice.
@fotm1 How can you say GOD told you so when most of your understanding of the Truth is the by product of your congitive reasoning i.e. you accepted it because it is what make sense to you?
I pray to GOD that he will open your spiritual eyes and start to KNOW the Truth rather than lean on your own understanding. God bles you brother!
@jameslinmd What are you talking about? Where do you get that my understanding is based on cognitive reasoning? Are you just projecting onto me? Simply because I disagree with you? You don't know me at all, much less enough to make a diagnosis like that. I'm VERY sure that I didn't want to pick a fight with Mike Bickle. I'm VERY sure that I hear God and that He told me to say what I have said.
@fotm1 Judging something based on other people's 'opinion' and 'reasoned' your way through the knowledge of GOD is what I mean by cognitive reasoning. Taking scripture out-of-context and implying it to an irrelevant situ to a point of proclaiming it publically as if it were true is self-deception and cannot be excused from GOD's judgement.
@fotm1 Where in the scripture does it say we ARE CALLED TO DEFEND and JUDGE THOSE WITHIN???? Show me the DIRECT QUOTE so I can defend my faith and judge you. This is one the biggest misinterpretation of scripture and cause many confusion among the body of Christ.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
@fotm1 This is a classical case of quick-to-interprete of the scripture out-of-context. Paul was referring to not to associate with people who calls themselves a brother but commited sexual immorality or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, or drunkard or a swindler. I don't see how IHOP fit in to this catogory. In fact, it is the people who criticizes IHOP are being slanderers in this context.
@jameslinmd The specific complaint is idolatry. People that are putting Mike on a pedestal and people that are making idolatry out of certain theologies - like "harp and bowl." There is an overwhelming pride in that place that infects people - and causes them to dismiss any voice that raises a concern. Like you're doing.
Being critical or pointing out error doesn't make you a slanderer. LYING makes you a slanderer.
@fotm1 What do you know about IHOP? Have you ever even step your foot to IHOP? Slander by def is spreading something untrue publically, like what you are doing for example.
@jameslinmd Yes, I have set foot there. Yes, I have talked to dozens of people, some there, some who left. Yes, I have read all I can about it and the history of it. Have you? There is nothing that I have said that is untrue.
@fotm1 It's funny how people will complain about others commiting idolatry as if they could see their thoughts.
Overwhelming pride?? I remember last time Lorne Cunningham from YWAM visited IHOP said it is one of the rarest ministry on Earth where there is the least pride existed.
Making accusation with no substance makes a person a slanderer.
@fotm1 Jesus taught us not to judge for the same measure we are judging others, we too will be judged. (mt 7:1-2) He is not saying we shouldn't point out our brother's fault, but he expects us to clean up our act first. (mt 7:5) Far too many people quick to criticize IHOP without a clear understanding of what they do.
@jameslinmd So is it possible that someone COULD have a clear understanding of what they do and still be critical? Or are you just saying that automatically anyone that is critical is ignorant? I think I'm pretty well informed. I've studied the history, read multiple accounts, talked to witnesses inside and outside. I've prayed and fasted and sought the Lord. And I'm willing to be obedient to the command to correct and reprove, even if people mock me in return.
@fotm1 What I am saying is being critical is not what GOD has called us to do. But praying for one another as well as edifying each other is. Knowledge of GOD is not obtained by studying/researching, but through the revelation of GOD himself. Far too many people are eating the fruit of tree of knowledge of good and evil but fail to eat the fruit of tree of life. Countless people made that mistake through out history. Pharsees in the OT being the prime examples.
@jameslinmd How many times do I have to tell you? I HEARD GOD and I SAID WHAT HE TOLD ME TO SAY. It's not reasoned out, it's revelation. You won't hear me at all, will you?
@fotm1 Either you don't hear GOD or you hear different voices other than GOD. GOD doesn't lie nor contradict himself. The devil on the other hand, is often the source of contradiction and confusion. It is important to ask GOD to clarify voices we hear because the devil loves to confuse and cause the dissention of the body of Christ.
@jameslinmd Ok, so I'm only hearing God if I hear what you're hearing. Is that it? Cause God would never say there's a problem at IHOP and someone needs to say something about it?
@fotm1 Jesus also taught us if we were to show the fault of our brother, it is just BETWEEN the two of us (mt 18:15). I believe if GOD wants to use us to minister to others about their fault, he will open the door. If he doesn't open the door, we need to wait. Criticizing others behind their back in the public forum isn't GOD's way and we will face his judgement. This is something I am too learning for being a Christian in the last 30 years.
@jameslinmd Again, I Timothy 5:20 makes it clear that you are to rebuke "elders" PUBLICLY so that others may take note and fear. If what they have done was public and they set themselves up as teachers, then the correction needs to happen publicly. No one is saying anything "behind their back" - this is open to anyone. Before I ever said anything publicly I sent it first to Mike and the IHOP leadership. Matthew 18 doesn't apply in this situation. I Timothy 5:20 is clear.
It better to ask what the LORD wants to accomplish in our lives than to criticize what other people are doing. We are first and foremost CALL TO FOLLOW the LORD OURSELVES. If GOD speaks to us about voicing our opinions, then we should do so.
Most people criticize out of their free will WITHOUT conversing with the LORD first. If what it seems isn't what it is, then out of our mouths come our judgement. GOD won't let the unrighteous goes unpunished.
@jameslinmd I hear God just fine. I have said what I said because He COMMANDED me to. I fasted and prayed and wept for IHOP for TWO YEARS before ever opening my mouth. How much did you pray before commenting here?
@fotm1 It is very interesting. God will contradict himself? This Stephanie had her experience at IHOP less than two years ago and you said you fasted and prayed for two years?
Most people made the mistake of HEARING the lord after themselves have had CONCERNED for others. I always let the Lord speaks to me as he will it rather than discerning out of my own free will because I am ALREADY CONCERNED. This leaves much less room for confusion.
@jameslinmd Again, you're making all kinds of assumptions. It's clear you're not hearing the Holy Spirit, you're just trying to add up the math and find a problem.
I was aware of the problem in 2004. Studied, read, talked to people, fasted and prayed until the summer of 2007 when I sent a letter to Mike and went public with the concerns. Stephanie is one of MANY witnesses that has come up since then with a story to share. I'm one of the MANY voices online pointing to a problem.
@jameslinmd And I made my point. You're wrong Biblically and you're hypocritical to be here telling me criticism is wrong while you are criticizing me! Do you even get that? If you were to take your own advice you wouldn't have said ANY of this.
@fotm1 The Truth says thou shall not judge less we will be judged. GOD is the only truth judge. You people started the whole cherade of judging what IHOP is doing is what got this tread started. I stated in the beginning that such accusation are false. Insisting in indulging in criticism is your choice . You alone are responsible to GOD.
@jameslinmd It is NOT a waste of time to be obedient to the command of God to reprove and rebuke and exhort. It is NOT a waste of time to be obedient to the command of God to rebuke elders publicly so that others may take note and fear (I Tim. 5:20). You don't know my life or what my faith is practicing. You are altogether TOO quick to poke at others, while you tell people not to poke at others. Do you not see the hypocrisy? If you believe what you are saying, then STOP TALKING.
@fotm1 God NEVER uses a person to rebuke and exhort by talking behind their back. God always opens the DOOR if he chooses to use someone to correct someone else. Talking behind other's back is gossip and we cannot escape his judgement unless we repent.
Sweet Stephanie, Thank you for sharing something so intimate. In the last days their will be many false prophets, we must be wise.. Very few will recognize the true prophets. May God give you further wisdom, comfort, guidance, hope and encouragement in your daily life.. <3
I bless you and I think i see where your coming from. Mayby before i thought you were being overly critical, but now i know we need people who are following the bible to bring correction, im mostly refering to the Kansas city church who is trying to lovingly bring Correction to KCF, and now warning to others who are involved. I pray that things can be straightened out. Jesus did not come to condemn but to save
@MicahR91 After I got her email, I asked her if I could go public with it and if she would send me an audio file so people can connect with the VERY REAL person behind this. There is nothing fake about this, nor about the MANY very legitimate, very real complaints about the teachings and behavior of IHOP.
I read the document attatched I agree its pretty scary. I think people are so desperate for leadership and love they so easily take things without testing them
@randiseriss Is that really what "harp & bowl" is? Does that verse mean we do it in shifts? You cry out for 4 hours, then I'll cry out for 4 hours, then somebody else will cry out on their shifts & that way we will ALL be justified. No! It's not a group command, it's an individual command. YOU are to pray w/out ceasing. I am to be a 24/7 prayer room all by myself wherever I am - in which case, why do I need a room?
When directed by the Holy Spirit, it's perfect. When it's programmed, it's not.
3) What would Stephanie go to IHOP? A genuine christian should not go train/join a ministry unless GOD tells he/her to do so. If Stephanie is following a voice of the LORD, then her complaint against IHOP is her complaint against GOD. But if Stephanie isn't following the voice of the LORD, but out of her own free will and got hurt in the process, I must ask WHY she would do so and so eagerly posting her 'bad experience' in the public forum???
@jameslinmd I TOTALLY agree with you. It seems like Stephanie's testimony is based on her feelings toward IHOP. I feel bad and sorry for her feelings during her experience at IHOP.
@jameslinmd That's yet ANOTHER cop-out. God could tell someone to go join a ministry KNOWING they are going to suffer so that the world can see how bad that ministry is when they hear her story. God can and does walk us into the fire all the time. Into the lions den. Do we then thank Him? YES! Do we have an obligation to then ENDORSE the lions den? NO!
She emailed me and I posted it because it is one of MANY concerns and people have a right to know that things aren't always as they seem.
2) No ministry nor church is perfect. People do get hurt by mistakes others made. Just because someone gets hurt doesn't mean the ministry isn't of GOD. What if God wants to teach new things to those individuals who get hurt?
@jameslinmd That is another cop-out. What if God wants to use the hurt individual to teach the ministry something about their need to do better? Why does the MINISTRY get a pass and the PERSON get crucified? I know that I have been sent places (ministries/churches) SO THAT they would spit on me and treat me badly SO THAT God could pour out judgement on them. Had nothing to do with me. Ministries IMPROVE because PEOPLE point to the failings and weaknesses and urge them to do better.
Before ye'll start rambling and balantly criticizing about IHOP. Ask urself a few simple questions.
1) Since when are we qualify to be a judge? Unless ye all knows everything there is to know about the Truth, judging a ministry that we do not have full knowledge of is in effect judging yourself because what if it is of GOD?
@jameslinmd That is a cop-out. We ARE called to be instant in season and out of season with a correction or rebuke or exhortation. We ARE called to defend the faith and to judge those within. That doesn't require that we know all that God knows before doing so - or He would not have told us to do that. We DO have to be watchmen and Bereans.
All I have to say is Praise the True Lord Messiah Yahweh, for you to see the light and you can show others this misleading teachings of IHOP aka Kingdom Now...Domionism...Restoration theology...Seven Mountain theology!!
It's true about the rigor of IHOP's school putting a block on spiritual growth. I've heard much and know that their theology has been very misguided. Very. But those people are truly seeking God. No danger :). God has blessed that place but I don't recommend the school (when you only discipline to grow spiritually instead of recieving from God, you WILL be misguided about His heart and Word.) But no worries,pray for the them :) because they're still a good influence as far as prayer and worship.
I made friends with a lady at my church who recommended IHOP and told me I could watch the prayer room live online.I thought it was a great concept so one day she called me and told me that some wonderful worship was going on.I went online and I watched and listened for less than 5 min There was something about the music and "singing" that didn't feel right in my spirit.I cannot put my finger on it or explain it but it did not sound like praise or worship to me, it seemed kind of like new age.
it was so interesting i found this video just after sending a letter there. it was OPENED and returned to me...i hav ea feeling it never reached the person it was addressed to. i have a weird feeling to try to experiment by to send one with money an dsee if they send it back with the money...eeek. my concern is that i have not [being from canada] met anyone from ihop who was sent here....
I went ti Ihop also. I understand this story very well. Thanks be to God That he opened my Eyes to what is going on. The demons are feeding off the people. Only Yeshua can bring light and Judgement to Ihop. Judgement is coming.
Maybe they were right. And if you are blatantly going to say things are unbiblical, you BETTER give examples, and you should have known that a very conservative church is going to be VERY different than a charismatic one.
how do i get a hold of Stephanie the actual girl who went thru this , i wanted to chat with her on facebook o r some other way, we are starting a ihop here in the oakanagan randykozlowski facebook
People need to stop touching anointed ministers of God,for he God said we shouldn't touch his,We need to understand that there are different ministries in God,some ministers in deliverance,healing,worshiping and so forth,so if u don't believe in deliverance and you are by any means attending a church where deliverance is done,just leave and go where your spirit feels comfortable,don't just start judging and say wrong things,u need to know the word of God,Trust in God only.nobody is perfect
@tebogo65 That's not Biblical. You're using it ENTIRELY out of context and as a club. What you are advocating is that no one ever rebuke a "minister" for anything under any circumstances. Is that what you want? Is that what you would tell Nathan when God told him to go rebuke David (God's anointed). That verse is about KILLING SAUL. Not about giving a word of correction. In fact, I Timothy 5:20 says that you are COMMANDED to rebuke elders publicly so that others may take note and fear.
@tebogo65 I am sorry but that is flat out wrong. A minister (aka a pastor) is supposed to proclaim the truth of scripture, and point to Christ (no matter what they are teaching on). A pastor proclaims the truth and then nothing more. God must be the one to work, If He doesn't then it is in vain. I have seen a few things from this "ministry", I don't see the biblical proof of a anointing. (God's anointed have a power of speech, but they also carry a weight to them.)
@Wbeard92 What is flat out wrong? That the verse is about KILLING SAUL? Did I misquote I Timothy 5:20? How many examples to you want of Paul or Peter or others rebuking elders? Even turning them over to satan! You can't just scrub out of existence our OBLIGATION before God to be watchmen and point to error.
What is the "Biblical proof of an anointing"? Is it subjective to your feelings or determined by God? And if we're not to correct others, then why are you HERE correcting ME?
@fotm1 I am not saying that we aren't to correct someone if they are in error. (sorry if I made it sound that way)(I firmly believe in loving rebuking those that claim the name of Christ yet are not walking in His ways). One proof of a man of God, is God upon the man. Our lives should have such a fragrance of Christ, that it is death unto life for some, and life unto life for others. (Sorry if it seemed like I was correcting you fotm1. I meant to address tebogo65)
abosute power always corupts absolutely i have been getting a weird vibe and kind of a pride thing from them for a long time, but the 24/7 prayer is amazing who can argue with that?
@randiseriss I can. The Buddhists have been doing it for hundreds of years. Taking turns keeping prayer wheels spinning and meditating. So what? I'm NOT against prayer. I'm against the idea that if we pray hard enough and long enough we can FORCE God to do something - or that our prayers are required to LOSE God to do something. That makes US God.
Also, I've never given IHOP any money or been there, but I know people who have done the internships there and let me tell you, they've been moved and brought out of things that are incredible. God is moving at IHOP, I'm sure of that, because the fruit of IHOP for the majority of people is, in fact, healing and a deepening of Faith. I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but don't denounce IHOP just because of that; you aren't an authority of faith and not everyone at IHOP is evil, if anyone.
@AngelGDM0216 If a ministry were 95% right, you can still be sure that God would send someone to point at the 5% and urge them to step it up. Be perfect as He is perfect. He disciplines those that He loves. We should not despise correction or sweep problems under the carpet and justify wrong on the basis that good is done too. There are ruthless dictators in this world that offer great health care programs to their people, good schools and care for orphans. So we should overlook their sins? See?
First of all let me say, I am very, very sorry that you were so very hurt by IHOP and the ministry there. Your hurt is wrong and undeserved, and I hope that you have prayed through it and have since healed.
With all of that said let me say here, IHOP is not to blame. The concept of 24/7 prayer is not to blame. Not everyone at IHOP wronged you. The concept is sound; it comes from Scripture. If you have a bone to pick with certain people at IHOP then pick it with them, not with IHOP as a whole.
@AngelGDM0216 Technically, I don't think you can find justification for 24/7 prayer when everything is collapsing around us. When David is king and you've beaten up all your enemies, when you're at the Throne of God, then harp & bowl all you like. But Joel 2 says that when the locusts have eaten everything you weep & mourn & repent. 24/7 prayer as it's being done is more like the Buddhists keeping the wheels spinning. It's superstitiously trying to FORCE God to act by your repetitious prayers.
Each person has to do what they feel led of the Lord to do. I have had some bad experiences in Churches myself but I always prayed and God would show me what to do...I don't know why some things happen they way they do but each person has to be led by God...Since we don't know what's in anyones heart the only way we can resolve a issue such as this is to led God lead us...I had to leave a church for control issues myself so I can relate to this but I will not speak against leadership....
Wow, I see you're getting attacked. These comments prove your testimony! I just want to encourage you. I've never even experienced anything like "IHOP" thank God!! I just watched two vids here and I felt weirded out by what I saw. The girl giving a testimony was jerking all over while speaking and praying. This behavior is not biblical. VERY WEIRD and creepy. Your dream matches the strangeness of what I saw on the vid. Keep on hanging on to the true Jesus Christ. Keep praying for those people!
Keep your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and centered on Him, draw very close and stay in His Word. Alot of us are on our own yet no alone, we can no longer lean on men and systematic ideals born of me, we must be led into all things spiritual that are from the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Truth. This is what God is looking for. I'm thankful your faith was not shaking to bad, yet its very dangerous to follow any man or trust them still. Trust in the Lord with all your heart. <3
That's weird I commented on this , over last,, summer 2010,, and my comment is gone , I play music at the IHOPEG, I am a Roman Catholic , When I went their a year ago , I went down into the basement area , looked around , really looked around , there was Nothing demonic any where !! I mean this sincerely ! 1fortheLordRobbieRoberts RobertVilchez@yahoo.com
@JesusLovesGLBT Treating a young girl without love, trying to brain wash her into compliance, punishing anyone that questions them, not having enough discernment to know they have practicing witches in leadership, heretical doctrines that can't be justified Biblically, repetitive prayers, forced fasting - and other elements of mind-control cults.
For more see fellowshipofthemartyrs d0t c 0m/mike_bickle_international_house_of_prayer d0t htm
The funny thing about being decieved or (demon possed) is that if you new your were you would not be Decieved. Are we supossed to believe that just because this girl is reading in a calm voice she was never in need of deliverence? It sounds to me like she was offered help..not rejected.
@evangaman I have heard testimonies before of young people being told they had a "demonic question asking spirit" because they asked questions about IHOP theology that no one wanted to answer. They were told they needed to go to a "deliverance ministry" re-education camp too - until they could toe the line. This is NOT an isolated case. And to ship a kid out of the country without parental notification or anything is unconscionable.
A college student is not a Kid! And I hear alot of people say that they IHOP teaches unbiblical things, but i have yet to hear anyone prove it. Plus I have heard Mike Bickle say from the platform MANY times that we should "question everything we hear" and "if you can't find it Yourself in the scripture don't believe it".
Thank you the so called churches are always full in and around grandveiw missouri. Thanks for your testamony I will not go ever. Other than to go undercover and shut them down
beloved... it is good to be concerned and aware... but looking at the fact that God has moved through IHOP~He is God and can use ANY one... it is a scary thing to speak against His church... there are people being used to minister to the nations~i understand your hurt and concern~but pin them on the fact that we have a real enemy wanting the body of Christ to turn on each other so that we forget our true enemy
What a joke! I know the IHOP ministry very well. They are completely Spirit led and in complete surrender to God. I know people that go there and had gone there and never heard of anything you are talking about. Maybe you should get all the information from reliable sources instead of hearsay. Let me guess, you are not in a Spirit-led denomination. Your church probably looks more like a social hang-out event than a move of God. Stop letting yourself be a tool for the Devil. Remove this video
@baicha83 If you were really "Spirit-led" then you wouldn't make so many false assumptions. Maybe you'd actually speak with some wisdom or get some revelation from God instead of speaking based on stereotypes and a darkened heart. Maybe IHOP has become an idol for you if you're so willing to insult other believers (in direct contradiction to the command of Jesus to love) in order to defend them.
Back to the video, I have been with a few abusive churches and it's typical for them to react this way towards anyone who dares to ask questions. Stephanie's testimony has gems of truth in it and she reveals how they accuse you of "being bitter, unspiritual, self-centered" or whatever THOUGHT-STOPPER they throw. Praise God she left and hope she is healing. Thank God I saw through the religious abuse and left similar environment, charismatic or not. STAY true to Jesus and His Word, Col3 needed.
if a person purports to serve Jesus, they shouldn't have a prob with no "time and resources" when they think they've encountered a person with a demon. The Holy Spirit IS the Resource and He's always got time to deal with demons. Jesus never sent a person to a distant place to deal with demons, He dealt with them on the spot. He also said it is what comes OUT of a persons heart that defiles them, NOT what comes in from the outside. They feared for the 'safety' of others in that environment?
@salvationwealth So I am assuming by your comment here, that "you" on a regular basis, "you" take in anyone "homeless" off the street, to come stay with your wife and chlidren, no questions asked? Since, the Holy Ghost is there, you should have no problem doing that.
Stop being an idiot, Mike is protecting his campus, and other's children.
I left the tongues movement years ago. On that issue, you can say I went from Saul to Paul and back to Saul and then some. I left back before all of this Brownsville, Toronto, and IHOP garbage even started. I can go on and on, but I'll just say that the tongues movement is like the house built on sand. You cannot make major doctrines out of mere speculation. I'm very thankful to be part of a solid mainstream church now. Yes, there are such things.
@CarolinaNIM There are hundreds of millions of people all over the world that speak in tongues and believe in the gifts and would be TREMENDOUSLY offended to find themselves lumped in with Brownsville, Toronto and IHOP. Me included. Saul was a judgemental jerk that had no problem murdering people. That might not be a good place to live.
If a "solid mainstream church" is denominational & refuses other parts of the Body, it's a cult and a heresy by nature (I Cor 3). And they are everywhere.
@fotm1 You are right about Saul. I simply used a figure of speech to show how my position has come full circle. The church I now attend is a Southern Baptist Church that does not refuse other parts of the body. In fact, it supports both the Southern Baptist Convention and the more moderate Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. Our choir, of which I am a member, has participated in mass choir concerts involving choirs of several denominations.
@CarolinaNIM I'm just sure that your nice Southern Baptist Church would absolutely refuse THIS part of the Body. I've been thrown out of all kinds of congregations - and not because I made a scene or shouted at them - just because the pastor is unwilling to get out of their comfort zone. It seems to be welcome of those exactly like and those ALMOST exactly like you. All denominationalism is sin and grieves the heart of God.
(cont.) The modern version of 'fasting' is not the true biblical fast, but rather a form of eastern asceticism that feeds the imagination, in which one doesn't 'deny self' but merely 'denies food' and gets wrapped up in themselves while they call it 'God'. When they 'feel the presence' the key word is 'feel'; the sensual. It is much easier to 'deny food' than truly deny self.
Many today are more interested in sensationalism, signs, wonders and personal 'revelations' than the truth of scripture. While considering themselves 'spiritual' they are in fact participating in a masked form of sensuality. Their 'fasting' is toward enhancing the pursuit, altering body chemistry to suspend grounded thinking, causing suggestibility, and a luxurious imagination. While truth is the essence of simple, our own fleshly minds weave a fantastically tangled web of deception.
The people at IHOP didn't love this person they pushed her away and called her a "demon". Christ would never do that. You just sound like the religious pharisees.
I am just shocked by the comments this girl is receiving by so many people to claim to follow Christ. You are not acting like Christ at all. You are extremely unloving and not understanding. These comments you are making are the reasons why people run and hate God...because you represent him in an awful fashion. "Whoever hasn't sinned cast the first stone." Whether or not this girl is RIGHT or WRONG doesn't matter...at the end of the day we ALL fall short of the glory of God.
IHOP hardly holds any monopoly. Any time people come together idols have to be found, ways not agreement with God. When you talk like this you steal the good they Are doing. So you have become like them. Please be careful.
I stand in agreement with you. Just as I ask Oh Holy Spirit, turn me more fully to God's ways and Ways, so I ask for IHOP. Better to spend seven years in the desert than eternity without our Father, without Jesus, without the Love of the Holy Spirit.
@Soccerdude2000123456 If you were there and saw it all happen, I'd love to hear your side. As an eyewitness, you'd be invaluable in helping clear all this up! So, what really happened?
@Soccerdude2000123456 IHOP Leadership was right she has a religious critical spirit. Her dreams were slanderous, God reveals actual sins to a prophetic people, satan baits with a false fear for "others safety". God gives an assurance that He will deliver whomever will repent. There is much grace and love behind even His judgements. Humanism, self pity, self righteousness, a critical spirit, feel good social justice programs, and the deception of Islam, are all spirits of the antichrist.
the body of Christ.. Watch what you say.. It sounds like you are judging IHOP based from something that happened with you when God should be the judge. I'm sorry that this experience happened to you but I think that you over thought this and that you took this the wrong way when they had the best interest at heart for you.. If so.. since you "left" IHOP, how has your spiritual walk been with him? How is your relationship with your father since this incident?
I'm sorry that happened to you, the way that you are describing it is awful. But the way I see it as is that they had the best interest at heart. Just maybe IHOP wasn't meant for you. I've been to IHOP several times, been to many conferences. But 1 thing I don't agree with you is the way that you are judging IHOP. Read 1 Samuel 24 especially, the judge is God & what you experienced is not by IHOP, it could be potentially from the devil trying to make you feel the hurt or pain to turn away from..
I don't agree with their focus on Revelations all the time. I think it's important to study all parts of the bible, not just Revelations. It is the hardest book to understand and it's also hard for a non-christian to believe some of the teachings without reading other parts of the bible. They should really study everything. I think prayer should be required, if you don't want to pray you can do other stuff while in the room. I go there and I love it, he really touched me these last 2 weeks.
I think you can learn a lot from IHOP if you give it a chance. You might have had a bad experience but don't let this take away from what God has in store for you. I have seen some things go on in IHOP that I didn't care for but lately I haven't seen any of that anymore. There was a lot of horsing around before. I think they got things under control now. Everything they talk about is bible related now. It wasn't right what they did but don't let this take you away from the whole IHOP experience.
every criticism i hear of ihop seems to be quite vague... "things that are extremely unbiblical and dangerous" what things? all i hear are vague statements...and i tried to find where jason upton rebuked them and i cant find anything about that on the web
THE ONE THING THAT RINGS OUT TO ME IS THAT MANY SAID JESUS CHRIST WAS A BLASPHEMER ALSO. WHEN A MINISTRY IS CHANGING LIVES AND GLORIFYING GOD, THE ENEMY ALWAYS ATTACKS IT. THE ONE THING THE ENEMY CAN NOT STAND IS FOR ANY MINISTRY TO HAVE LEVI-WHICH IS THE SPIRIT OF UNITY. THERE IS A PART IN THE BIBLE THAT SPECIFIES ON IF YOU LEFT YOU WERE NEVER A PART IN THE FIRST PLACE. I APOLOGIZE FOR ANYONE STEERING YOU IN THE WRONG DIRECTION, JUST KNOW WHAT GOD HAS FOR YOU IS FOR YOU. MAY GOD BE WITH YOU.
Im not part of it but i feel the Presence of God there (i can feel it even while making food), but i mean ni a place where many plp worship the same God is called the Bodily Anointing which is a stronger Presence. I hardly let someone pray for me with their hands cos i dont know anyones spiritual stage, and so anywhere you do not consider spiritually clean you shouldnt. Ask God for guidance, peace and revelation, you are free, do not feel enforce, ask God for the Holy Spirit.
Well im sorry about you but that happen when you see God as a religion. It is not a choice is that he choosen us to change the world. The big problem of many christians are that they cannot discern the difference in between Law and Grace. If you feel enforce to serve God or feel enforce to not sin or reading the bible you are under the law, if you enjoy doing all that and staying away from sin, you are under the Grace.
So what exactly did they say that was WRONG??? I am yet to hear. As an international in this country working with young people, I have found that they will turn on you and complain once their comfort is threatened. I suspect that even Jesus would be red flagged by a disgruntled christain youth in this country.
NEVER make man a god over you, always be willing to ask Father God for LIGHT, and be willing to receive LIGHT! HE WILL give it to you. NEVER take man's word over the WORD of GOD, just because there are miracles or manifestations! The Spirit of Truth (the HOLY SPIRIT) has come to guide us into ALL Truth. In these times we are all going to find deception around us, but we can walk in Truth! Thanking God for your true freedom! Google: Dave Roberson's book, Walk of the Spirit, Walk of Power.
Stephanie, I am so sorry this happened to you, and i cant even imagine what it must have felt like, im not here to judge, or say that your a liar or ask you to show proof that this is truth, but i am here to say that I FIRMLY believe God's word, and i KNOW THAT KNOW THAT I KNOW WITHIN everything inside of my being that Ihop is teaching and raising up a generation to be rooted and grounded in His words, and to be equipped and sent out into all the earth. When He returns He will judge the earth
the enemy doesnt want anyone at ihop because it is such a powerful place to be. so yeah. your gonna get attacked and lied to. if your rooted in the word, you wont get deceived. this person was obviously being lied to and not in the word.
@boldone4christ Way to be like Jesus. I prayed and fasted for two years before I ever opened my mouth. How long did you pray about it before you called people names and dismissed them like that? I'm sure glad Jesus never treats me like you do. Is this the fruit of IHOP?
everything i have seen come out of I Hop has been great. the music is awesome so i dont know why you are saying these things . you are the only one saying it .
I'm so sorry this had to happen, Stephanie..consider checking out John and Paula Sanford ministry..you will find enough information online to be able to receive help from this trauma. God bless you honey...the Lord loves you..these people are the ones who need help, not you.
prodigal1978 2 days ago
ihopu is good if u dnt understand something u go to a leader about it and ask them to explain if u still dnt get it bind deaf and dumb spirits ihopu is a god fearing college nd the devil wants to destroy the end time movement if u dnt agree then u need to read ur bible more and stop bein so religious nd see how much it lines up with the word of god
roberttherhino 2 weeks ago
@roberttherhino So ... IHOP is great and if you can't see that they're perfect, then you must have a demon. Is that your position really?
Show me a "seminary" in the Bible. Show me where the New Testament church bought buildings. Show me where being a denomination is OK. Show me how much IHOP is feeding the poor and clothing the naked. 2% of budget? 5%? That's not "extravagant giving to the poor."
fotm1 2 weeks ago
Be aware that IHOP is not what it seems to be... Who is covering this prophet? Christ? A prophet must operate in a specific geographic area according to God's ordering and must be under a higher ministerial-based authority.. that's God's ordering of ministries | God the Father >God the Son> 7 Stars (symbolic number) > Candlesticks. Stars are apostles appointed by HIM. They cover the rest of the other primary ministries (4). The problem is that, by nature, man is rebellious..
bluejay3536 3 weeks ago
So sorry for Stephanie's story, but what she says about the house of prayer is not true at all. I love it, it calms me down so much, the anointing is so special, they really love Jesus, no doubts at all about that. Hoping my daughter will want to go, and I wish I could go. I am from Toronto, problably the place where they wanted to send Stephanie. Too bad she never came, she would have met the Father and got rid of anything not from God in her. The ministry of this church is The Father's Love.
terrymiri 3 weeks ago 3
if you make IHOP or ANY OTHER MINISTRY your primary focus and not God, then yeah, you're going to get messed up! IHOP is not supposed to be the primary focus, nor does ANYONE there from what i've seen allude to anyone making IHOP the primary focus, but rather they ALWAYS proclaim Jesus for Who He TRULY Is, as well as the Holy Spirit! i know that ever since i've been watching the webstream since OneThing 09, i've been MASSIVELY blessed by the Presence of God!
graphicartist2k5 3 weeks ago 2
This is a sad story about stephine! I am sorry for her hurt and all that she encountered.But as with any big ministry things will be said and done that seems like it is the whole of the ministry but is a small fraction of people working it out.I'm sure one day she will look back and see this as a opportunity(b/c she seeks Jesus)to grow from. As all belivers"who hang out long enough in the church"we mature, grow up and learn.Usually when we struggle with someone else it is usually about ourselves
kbic77 3 weeks ago
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.- 1 Timothy 5:20
Pastors and leaders don't like it very much when we show them this verse when they screw up... apparently that scripture wasn't intended for them... Im sick of pastors, leaders, and ministries trying to cover up their own sins and throw everyone else under the bus. expose them for who they really are.
stwhite07 3 weeks ago
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.- 1 Timothy 5:20
Pastors and leaders don't like it very much when we show them this verse when they screw up... apparently that scripture wasn't intended for them... Im sick of pastors, leaders, and ministries trying to cover up their own sins and throw everyone else under the bus. expose them for who they really are.
stwhite07 3 weeks ago
Stephanie, I am sorry this happened to you. It seems like much of the 'religious free christians' these days like to 'cry demon' when someone doesn't fall in alignment with their teaching. Or my personal experience, They teach you to hear and listen to the voice of God in your life and then when you come to them with excitement to tell them what God said they are fearful for you because you didn't come to them and seek their guidance.
stwhite07 3 weeks ago
I'm sorry but I disagree I live here in Kansas city and go to Ihop the high points in my week. I p ray fir your soul that God would brake in with truth in your life. Because here at Ihop I've become a much better person than I was and I have become of a deep relashinship with God. I pray you will see the truth
Ihoplover3000 3 weeks ago
Dude, what did Jason Upton really say about ihop and mike bickle? watch the jason upton interview at ihop
iexistmovement 3 weeks ago
My 19 year old sister recently was recruited to go to IHOP in Kansas. Our family grew up Catholic and we lived happily all together without any problems until she started dating someone who was the son of their group leader. She started to go to these group meetings and within two weeks she completely changed by dissassociating herself with all of her friends and family. She was told that we were all sinners and that only their group can save her. Their group leader was a strong 2012 end of th
YomommaKNOWSaboutIT 3 weeks ago
I have been involed for a long time with ihop and i have had nothing but positive (spiritual) and even physical blessing and growth in my life. If it wernt for this i would still be a lost wonderwer in this world, with that in mind i know that when im being attacked (spiritually) i need to word up pray and meditate on the voice of god, in doing so i find my strength tolerrence pacient, love. also a peace or mind body and soul from the lord. to sumerize ihop is great!
creationburst 4 weeks ago
Sorry, I have been at IHOP and prayed too many times to believe this. My son is flourishing and so is his wife. My baby granddaughter is being raised up by two God loving and God fearing people who's lives were made so much better by IHOP. My son is not ignorant and I raised him up in the Spirit Filled and Full Gospel Word. Do no touch God's anointed. That would be my son.
dathisfeet 4 weeks ago
@dathisfeet There are many wonderful, God-fearing, Christ-loving people there. Nobody is saying that it's all wicked. As with any organization, there are problems. God chastens those He loves. If you are 95% without sin, you can be SURE that God will send someone or do something to point to the 5% & ask you to fix it.
Believe what you want, but I'm not insulting your son. I have talked to MANY witnesses and there are some real problems. God will expose it all and fix it in His time. Just pray.
fotm1 4 weeks ago
These are lies. My son attended IHOPU and is now on prayer room staff! He in no way has seen such practices and is a mighty man of God. There is a spirit of the love of God at IHOP. Anyone who believes any different needs to go there and experience the love for themselves. Stop the hate and bashing.
dathisfeet 1 month ago
@dathisfeet I've been there and I've talked to lots of witnesses. This video is an accurate retelling of what happened to Stephanie and I have talked to other young people threatened with deliverance "re-education camps" because they had a "demonic question-asking spirit." Things are not always as they seem. No one is saying everyone there is bad or that there is no good fruit at all. Simply that something is wrong about their handling of people that don't "get with the program."
fotm1 4 weeks ago
I think you should take this video of the youtube channel. People are being saved just by music and watching videos. I understand that you might feel spiritual warfare before entering the prayerroom but have you thought about that YOU might have done great prayers for GOD and that our little enemy has won a victory over you by not letting you enter. A real spirit is love from GOD love another as yourself. I think this video shows the opposite of it. GOD bless you
titannes 1 month ago
I think you should take this video of the youtube channel. People are being saved just by music and watching videos. I understand that you might feel spiritual warfare before entering the prayerroom but have you thought about that YOU might have done great prayers for GOD and that our little enemy has won a victory over you by not letting you enter. A real spirit is love from GOD love another as yourself. I think this video shows the opposite of it. GOD bless you
titannes 1 month ago
This video smacks of a carefully constructed message designed to play on peoples emotions. The spirit behind them is not a breath of life, nor does it carry a feeling of conviction, but rather of fear. These words are clearly of a soulish nature as it easily discerned by anyone who is mature and has their spiritual senses exercised and can have no benefit.
THEFORCEFUL 1 month ago
@THEFORCEFUL What you mean is that though you weren't there and you don't know for sure and you can't directly refute any of the testimony and you don't even know the people involved - your idol has been assaulted, so it must be from a wrong spirit. And the voice you hear reinforces your feeling that there just HAS to be something wrong with this.
You're welcome to believe that. We'll see.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 You do say you will see, yet in fact you will not. You may have set up an idol of repentance. People who are so focused on the negative of other ministries usually have. They do well and mean well, but in the end it is a religious spirit of achievement because thy don't feel important.
THEFORCEFUL 1 month ago
@THEFORCEFUL Oh, I'm sure that sooner or later all the books will be opened and the Lord will make it clear who was telling the truth and who wasn't. You're betting on one horse, I'm betting on another. At some point they cross the finish line. God is watching. He knows where the truth lies.
Let me try another way. You build your altar and I'll build my altar and we'll see which catches fire first.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 Oh, my wagon lit on fire a long time ago! lols but good word.
THEFORCEFUL 1 month ago
Every awesome move of God always brings controversy and dis-unity. There was even dis-unity in the New Testament Church... Its a part of life and tearing down other ministries "Judging" isn't really a spirit of Christ... God bless you, we server a big God that transcends alot of things... even things we may think is a big deal to us but to him probably not... Especially when it is personal. I have met 100's of people who have gone through IHOP. Interesting Video.
ckinglife 1 month ago
@ckinglife Sometimes really twisted religious groups that have NOTHING to do with God also bring controversy and disunity. It's bad logic to say that just because you're persecuted it MUST mean that you're right.
We are commanded to judge, to defend the faith, to blow the trumpet of warning and to correct elders publicly (I Tim 5:20). If you are His kids, even if you're 95% right, God WILL send someone with a word of correction to try to push you to PERFECT. Too many people reject correction.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 Its not a war your fighting. We are called to judge but we also must be very careful to judge one another. Especially when we don't take a deep look at our selves. I agree in 90% of any MOVE, CHURCH, or Gathering there are questionable things that may happen from time to time. Look at the early church and what they faced. It makes no difference whether its good intentions. Its still causes dis-unity and confusion which I can only guess where that comes from..
ckinglife 1 month ago
Firstly this is one sided and a story always seems to be correct when one side is heard but it takes two hands to clap. It is very possible that Stephanie had major issues and that leaders were trying to help her but we will never know as all we have is a one sided accusation.I know Sabrina Walsh and she is being portrayed as a 'former witch' hello we were all a former something. This doesnt disqualify any who have been washed in the blood of Christ. I find the name Delilah interesting!
micahaliyah 1 month ago
It seems like any ministry so intent on speaking against another ministry is quite contradictory to what God calls us to do. Yes we are supposed to hold each other accountable which I see that you're trying to do, but it doesn't seem to be done out of love but more of a downgrading nature. Also I don't see any videos that encourage those at IHOP in any way. Yes we need to be aware of being misled spiritually, but EVERYTHING must be done out of love and encouragement, even in accountability.
Mlnewton24 1 month ago
@Mlnewton24 Really? Hpw many of my videos have you watched? The 24/7 prayer video is very encouraging, urging people to step it up and be 24/7 prayer rooms ALL BY THEMSELVES instead of in shifts. I have one inviting people to come visit. I don't think you really know my heart.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 I am not interested in your co-out theory. I will pray that you will grow out of believing you are saved through cognitive thinking rather than through true connection with the LORD.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd But I don't believe that AT ALL!! And if you were hearing the Holy Spirit even a little bit, you'd KNOW that I don't believe that at all. I have TONS of videos on hear about the danger of that very thing. You're fussing about idle words while you're speaking unannointed things based on assumption and presumption.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 You are engaging in an intellectual debate, of which I am much less interested about. For believing GOD is not the matter of MIND, but the matter of the SPIRIT.
Like I said, if you are truly in tuned with the SPIRIT, you will KNOW THE TRUTH and the truth will set you free. Most people operate in the realm of the MIND and it will only lead to more questions and confusion.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
Concern for others isn't/shouldn't be the primary focus in following the LORD, but doing his will is. Did GOD tell you to voice your opinion about some ministry, or is it your own zeal???
Staying faithful to GOD is following him and doing what he says. It is not about DEFENDING what WE THINK IS RIGHT. GOD call me to IHOP two years ago and I haven't look back since. I am not part of the ministry nor do I care unless GOD wants me to. I don't question because I am only interested in his voice.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd God told me to say what I have said.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 How can you say GOD told you so when most of your understanding of the Truth is the by product of your congitive reasoning i.e. you accepted it because it is what make sense to you?
I pray to GOD that he will open your spiritual eyes and start to KNOW the Truth rather than lean on your own understanding. God bles you brother!
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd What are you talking about? Where do you get that my understanding is based on cognitive reasoning? Are you just projecting onto me? Simply because I disagree with you? You don't know me at all, much less enough to make a diagnosis like that. I'm VERY sure that I didn't want to pick a fight with Mike Bickle. I'm VERY sure that I hear God and that He told me to say what I have said.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 Judging something based on other people's 'opinion' and 'reasoned' your way through the knowledge of GOD is what I mean by cognitive reasoning. Taking scripture out-of-context and implying it to an irrelevant situ to a point of proclaiming it publically as if it were true is self-deception and cannot be excused from GOD's judgement.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@fotm1 Where in the scripture does it say we ARE CALLED TO DEFEND and JUDGE THOSE WITHIN???? Show me the DIRECT QUOTE so I can defend my faith and judge you. This is one the biggest misinterpretation of scripture and cause many confusion among the body of Christ.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 (KJV)
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Don't see the misinterpretation there.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 This is a classical case of quick-to-interprete of the scripture out-of-context. Paul was referring to not to associate with people who calls themselves a brother but commited sexual immorality or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, or drunkard or a swindler. I don't see how IHOP fit in to this catogory. In fact, it is the people who criticizes IHOP are being slanderers in this context.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd The specific complaint is idolatry. People that are putting Mike on a pedestal and people that are making idolatry out of certain theologies - like "harp and bowl." There is an overwhelming pride in that place that infects people - and causes them to dismiss any voice that raises a concern. Like you're doing.
Being critical or pointing out error doesn't make you a slanderer. LYING makes you a slanderer.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 What do you know about IHOP? Have you ever even step your foot to IHOP? Slander by def is spreading something untrue publically, like what you are doing for example.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd Yes, I have set foot there. Yes, I have talked to dozens of people, some there, some who left. Yes, I have read all I can about it and the history of it. Have you? There is nothing that I have said that is untrue.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 You have set your foot at IHOP? What are the sins that you saw have being commited by the IHOP leaders?
What you have said so far are imprecise accusations against the body of Christ.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@fotm1 It's funny how people will complain about others commiting idolatry as if they could see their thoughts.
Overwhelming pride?? I remember last time Lorne Cunningham from YWAM visited IHOP said it is one of the rarest ministry on Earth where there is the least pride existed.
Making accusation with no substance makes a person a slanderer.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@fotm1 Jesus taught us not to judge for the same measure we are judging others, we too will be judged. (mt 7:1-2) He is not saying we shouldn't point out our brother's fault, but he expects us to clean up our act first. (mt 7:5) Far too many people quick to criticize IHOP without a clear understanding of what they do.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd So is it possible that someone COULD have a clear understanding of what they do and still be critical? Or are you just saying that automatically anyone that is critical is ignorant? I think I'm pretty well informed. I've studied the history, read multiple accounts, talked to witnesses inside and outside. I've prayed and fasted and sought the Lord. And I'm willing to be obedient to the command to correct and reprove, even if people mock me in return.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 What I am saying is being critical is not what GOD has called us to do. But praying for one another as well as edifying each other is. Knowledge of GOD is not obtained by studying/researching, but through the revelation of GOD himself. Far too many people are eating the fruit of tree of knowledge of good and evil but fail to eat the fruit of tree of life. Countless people made that mistake through out history. Pharsees in the OT being the prime examples.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd How many times do I have to tell you? I HEARD GOD and I SAID WHAT HE TOLD ME TO SAY. It's not reasoned out, it's revelation. You won't hear me at all, will you?
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 Either you don't hear GOD or you hear different voices other than GOD. GOD doesn't lie nor contradict himself. The devil on the other hand, is often the source of contradiction and confusion. It is important to ask GOD to clarify voices we hear because the devil loves to confuse and cause the dissention of the body of Christ.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd Ok, so I'm only hearing God if I hear what you're hearing. Is that it? Cause God would never say there's a problem at IHOP and someone needs to say something about it?
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 Jesus also taught us if we were to show the fault of our brother, it is just BETWEEN the two of us (mt 18:15). I believe if GOD wants to use us to minister to others about their fault, he will open the door. If he doesn't open the door, we need to wait. Criticizing others behind their back in the public forum isn't GOD's way and we will face his judgement. This is something I am too learning for being a Christian in the last 30 years.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd Again, I Timothy 5:20 makes it clear that you are to rebuke "elders" PUBLICLY so that others may take note and fear. If what they have done was public and they set themselves up as teachers, then the correction needs to happen publicly. No one is saying anything "behind their back" - this is open to anyone. Before I ever said anything publicly I sent it first to Mike and the IHOP leadership. Matthew 18 doesn't apply in this situation. I Timothy 5:20 is clear.
fotm1 1 month ago
It better to ask what the LORD wants to accomplish in our lives than to criticize what other people are doing. We are first and foremost CALL TO FOLLOW the LORD OURSELVES. If GOD speaks to us about voicing our opinions, then we should do so.
Most people criticize out of their free will WITHOUT conversing with the LORD first. If what it seems isn't what it is, then out of our mouths come our judgement. GOD won't let the unrighteous goes unpunished.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd I hear God just fine. I have said what I said because He COMMANDED me to. I fasted and prayed and wept for IHOP for TWO YEARS before ever opening my mouth. How much did you pray before commenting here?
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 It is very interesting. God will contradict himself? This Stephanie had her experience at IHOP less than two years ago and you said you fasted and prayed for two years?
Most people made the mistake of HEARING the lord after themselves have had CONCERNED for others. I always let the Lord speaks to me as he will it rather than discerning out of my own free will because I am ALREADY CONCERNED. This leaves much less room for confusion.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd Again, you're making all kinds of assumptions. It's clear you're not hearing the Holy Spirit, you're just trying to add up the math and find a problem.
I was aware of the problem in 2004. Studied, read, talked to people, fasted and prayed until the summer of 2007 when I sent a letter to Mike and went public with the concerns. Stephanie is one of MANY witnesses that has come up since then with a story to share. I'm one of the MANY voices online pointing to a problem.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 I already made my point loud and clear bro. I pray that the spirit of GOD will open your eyes and see that criticism is wrong.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd And I made my point. You're wrong Biblically and you're hypocritical to be here telling me criticism is wrong while you are criticizing me! Do you even get that? If you were to take your own advice you wouldn't have said ANY of this.
I pray the Lord God open ALL of our eyes.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 The Truth says thou shall not judge less we will be judged. GOD is the only truth judge. You people started the whole cherade of judging what IHOP is doing is what got this tread started. I stated in the beginning that such accusation are false. Insisting in indulging in criticism is your choice . You alone are responsible to GOD.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd But you're REPEATEDLY criticizing me for criticizing! You don't see that?
fotm1 1 month ago
It is very interesting to see people keeps talking about the faith rather than PRACTICE IT as though they had it.
You will recognize TRUE PROPHET if you are in tune with the SPIRIT. Recognition doesn't come from debating, but knowning.
Misty is going FULL-HEARTED for the LORD. She is TOTALLY commitment is to the LORD and has little to do with what other people are doing at IHOP.
It is a waste of time to point fingers at each other because no one is perfect but the LORD himself.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd It is NOT a waste of time to be obedient to the command of God to reprove and rebuke and exhort. It is NOT a waste of time to be obedient to the command of God to rebuke elders publicly so that others may take note and fear (I Tim. 5:20). You don't know my life or what my faith is practicing. You are altogether TOO quick to poke at others, while you tell people not to poke at others. Do you not see the hypocrisy? If you believe what you are saying, then STOP TALKING.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 God NEVER uses a person to rebuke and exhort by talking behind their back. God always opens the DOOR if he chooses to use someone to correct someone else. Talking behind other's back is gossip and we cannot escape his judgement unless we repent.
jameslinmd 1 month ago
Sweet Stephanie, Thank you for sharing something so intimate. In the last days their will be many false prophets, we must be wise.. Very few will recognize the true prophets. May God give you further wisdom, comfort, guidance, hope and encouragement in your daily life.. <3
SarahMGalle 1 month ago
I am interested to know about Misty.....Is she wrapped up in this as well. How can someone who sings like that be on the wrong side?
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
thank you Stephanie!
buddythefish 1 month ago
I bless you and I think i see where your coming from. Mayby before i thought you were being overly critical, but now i know we need people who are following the bible to bring correction, im mostly refering to the Kansas city church who is trying to lovingly bring Correction to KCF, and now warning to others who are involved. I pray that things can be straightened out. Jesus did not come to condemn but to save
randiseriss 1 month ago
Yeah because most people send voice clips along with their emails! FAKE!! Just like your clames that IHOP is unscriptural!
MicahR91 1 month ago
@MicahR91 After I got her email, I asked her if I could go public with it and if she would send me an audio file so people can connect with the VERY REAL person behind this. There is nothing fake about this, nor about the MANY very legitimate, very real complaints about the teachings and behavior of IHOP.
fotm1 1 month ago
I read the document attatched I agree its pretty scary. I think people are so desperate for leadership and love they so easily take things without testing them
randiseriss 1 month ago
i challenge you to say something encouraging about this, or say something that would be encouraging to these people
randiseriss 1 month ago
@randiseriss It's all part of the plan and God will use it for His good.
fotm1 1 month ago
Does not Jesus say this is how my servants are justified as they cry out to me day and night?
randiseriss 1 month ago
@randiseriss Is that really what "harp & bowl" is? Does that verse mean we do it in shifts? You cry out for 4 hours, then I'll cry out for 4 hours, then somebody else will cry out on their shifts & that way we will ALL be justified. No! It's not a group command, it's an individual command. YOU are to pray w/out ceasing. I am to be a 24/7 prayer room all by myself wherever I am - in which case, why do I need a room?
When directed by the Holy Spirit, it's perfect. When it's programmed, it's not.
fotm1 1 month ago
3) What would Stephanie go to IHOP? A genuine christian should not go train/join a ministry unless GOD tells he/her to do so. If Stephanie is following a voice of the LORD, then her complaint against IHOP is her complaint against GOD. But if Stephanie isn't following the voice of the LORD, but out of her own free will and got hurt in the process, I must ask WHY she would do so and so eagerly posting her 'bad experience' in the public forum???
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd I TOTALLY agree with you. It seems like Stephanie's testimony is based on her feelings toward IHOP. I feel bad and sorry for her feelings during her experience at IHOP.
celebr 1 month ago
@jameslinmd That's yet ANOTHER cop-out. God could tell someone to go join a ministry KNOWING they are going to suffer so that the world can see how bad that ministry is when they hear her story. God can and does walk us into the fire all the time. Into the lions den. Do we then thank Him? YES! Do we have an obligation to then ENDORSE the lions den? NO!
She emailed me and I posted it because it is one of MANY concerns and people have a right to know that things aren't always as they seem.
fotm1 1 month ago
2) No ministry nor church is perfect. People do get hurt by mistakes others made. Just because someone gets hurt doesn't mean the ministry isn't of GOD. What if God wants to teach new things to those individuals who get hurt?
jameslinmd 1 month ago
@jameslinmd That is another cop-out. What if God wants to use the hurt individual to teach the ministry something about their need to do better? Why does the MINISTRY get a pass and the PERSON get crucified? I know that I have been sent places (ministries/churches) SO THAT they would spit on me and treat me badly SO THAT God could pour out judgement on them. Had nothing to do with me. Ministries IMPROVE because PEOPLE point to the failings and weaknesses and urge them to do better.
fotm1 1 month ago
Before ye'll start rambling and balantly criticizing about IHOP. Ask urself a few simple questions.
1) Since when are we qualify to be a judge? Unless ye all knows everything there is to know about the Truth, judging a ministry that we do not have full knowledge of is in effect judging yourself because what if it is of GOD?
jameslinmd 1 month ago 2
@jameslinmd That is a cop-out. We ARE called to be instant in season and out of season with a correction or rebuke or exhortation. We ARE called to defend the faith and to judge those within. That doesn't require that we know all that God knows before doing so - or He would not have told us to do that. We DO have to be watchmen and Bereans.
fotm1 1 month ago
All I have to say is Praise the True Lord Messiah Yahweh, for you to see the light and you can show others this misleading teachings of IHOP aka Kingdom Now...Domionism...Restoration theology...Seven Mountain theology!!
suziebellk 1 month ago
It's true about the rigor of IHOP's school putting a block on spiritual growth. I've heard much and know that their theology has been very misguided. Very. But those people are truly seeking God. No danger :). God has blessed that place but I don't recommend the school (when you only discipline to grow spiritually instead of recieving from God, you WILL be misguided about His heart and Word.) But no worries,pray for the them :) because they're still a good influence as far as prayer and worship.
selahengle 1 month ago
I made friends with a lady at my church who recommended IHOP and told me I could watch the prayer room live online.I thought it was a great concept so one day she called me and told me that some wonderful worship was going on.I went online and I watched and listened for less than 5 min There was something about the music and "singing" that didn't feel right in my spirit.I cannot put my finger on it or explain it but it did not sound like praise or worship to me, it seemed kind of like new age.
cancunmermaid 1 month ago
it was so interesting i found this video just after sending a letter there. it was OPENED and returned to me...i hav ea feeling it never reached the person it was addressed to. i have a weird feeling to try to experiment by to send one with money an dsee if they send it back with the money...eeek. my concern is that i have not [being from canada] met anyone from ihop who was sent here....
Blessednbeautifull 1 month ago
I went ti Ihop also. I understand this story very well. Thanks be to God That he opened my Eyes to what is going on. The demons are feeding off the people. Only Yeshua can bring light and Judgement to Ihop. Judgement is coming.
adamscurry 1 month ago
Maybe they were right. And if you are blatantly going to say things are unbiblical, you BETTER give examples, and you should have known that a very conservative church is going to be VERY different than a charismatic one.
ItisShe 1 month ago
@ItisShe Calvary Chapel IS charismatic.
fotm1 1 month ago
i thought this was gonna be about the international house of pancakes... i was wondering what was so dangerous about an eatery...
qwyzl 1 month ago
how do i get a hold of Stephanie the actual girl who went thru this , i wanted to chat with her on facebook o r some other way, we are starting a ihop here in the oakanagan randykozlowski facebook
randiseriss 1 month ago
@randiseriss Her youtube user ID is DelilahDias. I believe her contact information is at the end of the video.
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 Actually her email is at 7:55 in the video.
fotm1 1 month ago
People need to stop touching anointed ministers of God,for he God said we shouldn't touch his,We need to understand that there are different ministries in God,some ministers in deliverance,healing,worshiping and so forth,so if u don't believe in deliverance and you are by any means attending a church where deliverance is done,just leave and go where your spirit feels comfortable,don't just start judging and say wrong things,u need to know the word of God,Trust in God only.nobody is perfect
tebogo65 1 month ago
@tebogo65 That's not Biblical. You're using it ENTIRELY out of context and as a club. What you are advocating is that no one ever rebuke a "minister" for anything under any circumstances. Is that what you want? Is that what you would tell Nathan when God told him to go rebuke David (God's anointed). That verse is about KILLING SAUL. Not about giving a word of correction. In fact, I Timothy 5:20 says that you are COMMANDED to rebuke elders publicly so that others may take note and fear.
fotm1 1 month ago
@tebogo65 I am sorry but that is flat out wrong. A minister (aka a pastor) is supposed to proclaim the truth of scripture, and point to Christ (no matter what they are teaching on). A pastor proclaims the truth and then nothing more. God must be the one to work, If He doesn't then it is in vain. I have seen a few things from this "ministry", I don't see the biblical proof of a anointing. (God's anointed have a power of speech, but they also carry a weight to them.)
Wbeard92 1 month ago
@Wbeard92 What is flat out wrong? That the verse is about KILLING SAUL? Did I misquote I Timothy 5:20? How many examples to you want of Paul or Peter or others rebuking elders? Even turning them over to satan! You can't just scrub out of existence our OBLIGATION before God to be watchmen and point to error.
What is the "Biblical proof of an anointing"? Is it subjective to your feelings or determined by God? And if we're not to correct others, then why are you HERE correcting ME?
fotm1 1 month ago
@fotm1 I am not saying that we aren't to correct someone if they are in error. (sorry if I made it sound that way)(I firmly believe in loving rebuking those that claim the name of Christ yet are not walking in His ways). One proof of a man of God, is God upon the man. Our lives should have such a fragrance of Christ, that it is death unto life for some, and life unto life for others. (Sorry if it seemed like I was correcting you fotm1. I meant to address tebogo65)
Wbeard92 1 month ago
how do i get your book?
randiseriss 1 month ago
@randiseriss All of our books are at fellowshipofthemartyrs d0 tc 0m under "Books". You can download PDF files there or order the paperbacks.
fotm1 1 month ago
abosute power always corupts absolutely i have been getting a weird vibe and kind of a pride thing from them for a long time, but the 24/7 prayer is amazing who can argue with that?
randiseriss 1 month ago
@randiseriss I can. The Buddhists have been doing it for hundreds of years. Taking turns keeping prayer wheels spinning and meditating. So what? I'm NOT against prayer. I'm against the idea that if we pray hard enough and long enough we can FORCE God to do something - or that our prayers are required to LOSE God to do something. That makes US God.
See my video here - /watch?v=gworC0-oQbw
fotm1 1 month ago
can we chat on facebook id like to talk to you, im reading this letter about IHOP put forth by a pastor in Kansas city
randiseriss 1 month ago
Also, I've never given IHOP any money or been there, but I know people who have done the internships there and let me tell you, they've been moved and brought out of things that are incredible. God is moving at IHOP, I'm sure of that, because the fruit of IHOP for the majority of people is, in fact, healing and a deepening of Faith. I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but don't denounce IHOP just because of that; you aren't an authority of faith and not everyone at IHOP is evil, if anyone.
AngelGDM0216 2 months ago
@AngelGDM0216 If a ministry were 95% right, you can still be sure that God would send someone to point at the 5% and urge them to step it up. Be perfect as He is perfect. He disciplines those that He loves. We should not despise correction or sweep problems under the carpet and justify wrong on the basis that good is done too. There are ruthless dictators in this world that offer great health care programs to their people, good schools and care for orphans. So we should overlook their sins? See?
fotm1 1 month ago
First of all let me say, I am very, very sorry that you were so very hurt by IHOP and the ministry there. Your hurt is wrong and undeserved, and I hope that you have prayed through it and have since healed.
With all of that said let me say here, IHOP is not to blame. The concept of 24/7 prayer is not to blame. Not everyone at IHOP wronged you. The concept is sound; it comes from Scripture. If you have a bone to pick with certain people at IHOP then pick it with them, not with IHOP as a whole.
AngelGDM0216 2 months ago
@AngelGDM0216 Technically, I don't think you can find justification for 24/7 prayer when everything is collapsing around us. When David is king and you've beaten up all your enemies, when you're at the Throne of God, then harp & bowl all you like. But Joel 2 says that when the locusts have eaten everything you weep & mourn & repent. 24/7 prayer as it's being done is more like the Buddhists keeping the wheels spinning. It's superstitiously trying to FORCE God to act by your repetitious prayers.
fotm1 1 month ago
Each person has to do what they feel led of the Lord to do. I have had some bad experiences in Churches myself but I always prayed and God would show me what to do...I don't know why some things happen they way they do but each person has to be led by God...Since we don't know what's in anyones heart the only way we can resolve a issue such as this is to led God lead us...I had to leave a church for control issues myself so I can relate to this but I will not speak against leadership....
GoldenWarriorKim1 2 months ago
She leaves me confused. What was NOT biblical? I've never been to IHOP.
She says that she attends a Calvery Chapel and while they do a lot of good they
are very critical of other movements.
MrJoeAmerica 2 months ago
Wow, I see you're getting attacked. These comments prove your testimony! I just want to encourage you. I've never even experienced anything like "IHOP" thank God!! I just watched two vids here and I felt weirded out by what I saw. The girl giving a testimony was jerking all over while speaking and praying. This behavior is not biblical. VERY WEIRD and creepy. Your dream matches the strangeness of what I saw on the vid. Keep on hanging on to the true Jesus Christ. Keep praying for those people!
1NationUnder1God3in1 2 months ago
I attended FSM/IHOP in 05. This account is totally out of character of the people and ministry there. What this girl described is not FSM/IHOP
82joyfulheart 2 months ago
Keep your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and centered on Him, draw very close and stay in His Word. Alot of us are on our own yet no alone, we can no longer lean on men and systematic ideals born of me, we must be led into all things spiritual that are from the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Truth. This is what God is looking for. I'm thankful your faith was not shaking to bad, yet its very dangerous to follow any man or trust them still. Trust in the Lord with all your heart. <3
ViviannaluvsJesus 2 months ago
oh thank you
JesusLovesGLBT 2 months ago
That's weird I commented on this , over last,, summer 2010,, and my comment is gone , I play music at the IHOPEG, I am a Roman Catholic , When I went their a year ago , I went down into the basement area , looked around , really looked around , there was Nothing demonic any where !! I mean this sincerely ! 1fortheLordRobbieRoberts RobertVilchez@yahoo.com
1RobbieRoberts 2 months ago
i missed why they are are wrong can some one explain to me summery please
JesusLovesGLBT 2 months ago
@JesusLovesGLBT Treating a young girl without love, trying to brain wash her into compliance, punishing anyone that questions them, not having enough discernment to know they have practicing witches in leadership, heretical doctrines that can't be justified Biblically, repetitive prayers, forced fasting - and other elements of mind-control cults.
For more see fellowshipofthemartyrs d0t c 0m/mike_bickle_international_house_of_prayer d0t htm
fotm1 2 months ago 2
The funny thing about being decieved or (demon possed) is that if you new your were you would not be Decieved. Are we supossed to believe that just because this girl is reading in a calm voice she was never in need of deliverence? It sounds to me like she was offered help..not rejected.
evangaman 2 months ago 2
@evangaman I have heard testimonies before of young people being told they had a "demonic question asking spirit" because they asked questions about IHOP theology that no one wanted to answer. They were told they needed to go to a "deliverance ministry" re-education camp too - until they could toe the line. This is NOT an isolated case. And to ship a kid out of the country without parental notification or anything is unconscionable.
fotm1 2 months ago
A college student is not a Kid! And I hear alot of people say that they IHOP teaches unbiblical things, but i have yet to hear anyone prove it. Plus I have heard Mike Bickle say from the platform MANY times that we should "question everything we hear" and "if you can't find it Yourself in the scripture don't believe it".
evangaman 2 months ago
@evangaman exactly. And someone without discernment won't know/ would be closed off to the help they need.
ItisShe 1 month ago
Call a Cult a Cult why not someone is getting rich it isnt the crach and methheads I have seen zombie in your doors . God is not happy
revkellyodell 2 months ago
Thank you the so called churches are always full in and around grandveiw missouri. Thanks for your testamony I will not go ever. Other than to go undercover and shut them down
revkellyodell 2 months ago
beloved... it is good to be concerned and aware... but looking at the fact that God has moved through IHOP~He is God and can use ANY one... it is a scary thing to speak against His church... there are people being used to minister to the nations~i understand your hurt and concern~but pin them on the fact that we have a real enemy wanting the body of Christ to turn on each other so that we forget our true enemy
blooperloverLOL 2 months ago
What a joke! I know the IHOP ministry very well. They are completely Spirit led and in complete surrender to God. I know people that go there and had gone there and never heard of anything you are talking about. Maybe you should get all the information from reliable sources instead of hearsay. Let me guess, you are not in a Spirit-led denomination. Your church probably looks more like a social hang-out event than a move of God. Stop letting yourself be a tool for the Devil. Remove this video
baicha83 2 months ago 2
@baicha83 If you were really "Spirit-led" then you wouldn't make so many false assumptions. Maybe you'd actually speak with some wisdom or get some revelation from God instead of speaking based on stereotypes and a darkened heart. Maybe IHOP has become an idol for you if you're so willing to insult other believers (in direct contradiction to the command of Jesus to love) in order to defend them.
fotm1 2 months ago
@fotm1 Well said my friend. Well said.
timbo8921 2 months ago
wow i clicked on this video thinking it was about IHOP the restaurant lol
luisito022002 2 months ago
Back to the video, I have been with a few abusive churches and it's typical for them to react this way towards anyone who dares to ask questions. Stephanie's testimony has gems of truth in it and she reveals how they accuse you of "being bitter, unspiritual, self-centered" or whatever THOUGHT-STOPPER they throw. Praise God she left and hope she is healing. Thank God I saw through the religious abuse and left similar environment, charismatic or not. STAY true to Jesus and His Word, Col3 needed.
pumpsumiron 2 months ago
HAHA
skatearlyesterday 2 months ago
if a person purports to serve Jesus, they shouldn't have a prob with no "time and resources" when they think they've encountered a person with a demon. The Holy Spirit IS the Resource and He's always got time to deal with demons. Jesus never sent a person to a distant place to deal with demons, He dealt with them on the spot. He also said it is what comes OUT of a persons heart that defiles them, NOT what comes in from the outside. They feared for the 'safety' of others in that environment?
salvationwealth 3 months ago
@salvationwealth So I am assuming by your comment here, that "you" on a regular basis, "you" take in anyone "homeless" off the street, to come stay with your wife and chlidren, no questions asked? Since, the Holy Ghost is there, you should have no problem doing that.
Stop being an idiot, Mike is protecting his campus, and other's children.
Gzusroxx 2 months ago 2
I left the tongues movement years ago. On that issue, you can say I went from Saul to Paul and back to Saul and then some. I left back before all of this Brownsville, Toronto, and IHOP garbage even started. I can go on and on, but I'll just say that the tongues movement is like the house built on sand. You cannot make major doctrines out of mere speculation. I'm very thankful to be part of a solid mainstream church now. Yes, there are such things.
CarolinaNIM 3 months ago
@CarolinaNIM There are hundreds of millions of people all over the world that speak in tongues and believe in the gifts and would be TREMENDOUSLY offended to find themselves lumped in with Brownsville, Toronto and IHOP. Me included. Saul was a judgemental jerk that had no problem murdering people. That might not be a good place to live.
If a "solid mainstream church" is denominational & refuses other parts of the Body, it's a cult and a heresy by nature (I Cor 3). And they are everywhere.
fotm1 3 months ago
@fotm1 You are right about Saul. I simply used a figure of speech to show how my position has come full circle. The church I now attend is a Southern Baptist Church that does not refuse other parts of the body. In fact, it supports both the Southern Baptist Convention and the more moderate Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. Our choir, of which I am a member, has participated in mass choir concerts involving choirs of several denominations.
CarolinaNIM 3 months ago
@CarolinaNIM I'm just sure that your nice Southern Baptist Church would absolutely refuse THIS part of the Body. I've been thrown out of all kinds of congregations - and not because I made a scene or shouted at them - just because the pastor is unwilling to get out of their comfort zone. It seems to be welcome of those exactly like and those ALMOST exactly like you. All denominationalism is sin and grieves the heart of God.
fotm1 2 months ago
(cont.) The modern version of 'fasting' is not the true biblical fast, but rather a form of eastern asceticism that feeds the imagination, in which one doesn't 'deny self' but merely 'denies food' and gets wrapped up in themselves while they call it 'God'. When they 'feel the presence' the key word is 'feel'; the sensual. It is much easier to 'deny food' than truly deny self.
PlainnessOfSpeech 3 months ago
Many today are more interested in sensationalism, signs, wonders and personal 'revelations' than the truth of scripture. While considering themselves 'spiritual' they are in fact participating in a masked form of sensuality. Their 'fasting' is toward enhancing the pursuit, altering body chemistry to suspend grounded thinking, causing suggestibility, and a luxurious imagination. While truth is the essence of simple, our own fleshly minds weave a fantastically tangled web of deception.
PlainnessOfSpeech 3 months ago 2
The people at IHOP didn't love this person they pushed her away and called her a "demon". Christ would never do that. You just sound like the religious pharisees.
katiejoy714 3 months ago
I am just shocked by the comments this girl is receiving by so many people to claim to follow Christ. You are not acting like Christ at all. You are extremely unloving and not understanding. These comments you are making are the reasons why people run and hate God...because you represent him in an awful fashion. "Whoever hasn't sinned cast the first stone." Whether or not this girl is RIGHT or WRONG doesn't matter...at the end of the day we ALL fall short of the glory of God.
katiejoy714 3 months ago
IHOP hardly holds any monopoly. Any time people come together idols have to be found, ways not agreement with God. When you talk like this you steal the good they Are doing. So you have become like them. Please be careful.
I stand in agreement with you. Just as I ask Oh Holy Spirit, turn me more fully to God's ways and Ways, so I ask for IHOP. Better to spend seven years in the desert than eternity without our Father, without Jesus, without the Love of the Holy Spirit.
God Bless IHOP and you.
WolfeSandy 3 months ago
wow!!! This so far from truth!!!! I am really sorry for you. God bless you i hope you realize that what you saying is not true!
Soccerdude2000123456 3 months ago
@Soccerdude2000123456 If you were there and saw it all happen, I'd love to hear your side. As an eyewitness, you'd be invaluable in helping clear all this up! So, what really happened?
fotm1 3 months ago
@Soccerdude2000123456 IHOP Leadership was right she has a religious critical spirit. Her dreams were slanderous, God reveals actual sins to a prophetic people, satan baits with a false fear for "others safety". God gives an assurance that He will deliver whomever will repent. There is much grace and love behind even His judgements. Humanism, self pity, self righteousness, a critical spirit, feel good social justice programs, and the deception of Islam, are all spirits of the antichrist.
bonnieefair 3 months ago
the body of Christ.. Watch what you say.. It sounds like you are judging IHOP based from something that happened with you when God should be the judge. I'm sorry that this experience happened to you but I think that you over thought this and that you took this the wrong way when they had the best interest at heart for you.. If so.. since you "left" IHOP, how has your spiritual walk been with him? How is your relationship with your father since this incident?
egoins09 3 months ago
I'm sorry that happened to you, the way that you are describing it is awful. But the way I see it as is that they had the best interest at heart. Just maybe IHOP wasn't meant for you. I've been to IHOP several times, been to many conferences. But 1 thing I don't agree with you is the way that you are judging IHOP. Read 1 Samuel 24 especially, the judge is God & what you experienced is not by IHOP, it could be potentially from the devil trying to make you feel the hurt or pain to turn away from..
egoins09 3 months ago
I don't agree with their focus on Revelations all the time. I think it's important to study all parts of the bible, not just Revelations. It is the hardest book to understand and it's also hard for a non-christian to believe some of the teachings without reading other parts of the bible. They should really study everything. I think prayer should be required, if you don't want to pray you can do other stuff while in the room. I go there and I love it, he really touched me these last 2 weeks.
jason64117 3 months ago
I think you can learn a lot from IHOP if you give it a chance. You might have had a bad experience but don't let this take away from what God has in store for you. I have seen some things go on in IHOP that I didn't care for but lately I haven't seen any of that anymore. There was a lot of horsing around before. I think they got things under control now. Everything they talk about is bible related now. It wasn't right what they did but don't let this take you away from the whole IHOP experience.
jason64117 3 months ago
every criticism i hear of ihop seems to be quite vague... "things that are extremely unbiblical and dangerous" what things? all i hear are vague statements...and i tried to find where jason upton rebuked them and i cant find anything about that on the web
youfaked 3 months ago
THE ONE THING THAT RINGS OUT TO ME IS THAT MANY SAID JESUS CHRIST WAS A BLASPHEMER ALSO. WHEN A MINISTRY IS CHANGING LIVES AND GLORIFYING GOD, THE ENEMY ALWAYS ATTACKS IT. THE ONE THING THE ENEMY CAN NOT STAND IS FOR ANY MINISTRY TO HAVE LEVI-WHICH IS THE SPIRIT OF UNITY. THERE IS A PART IN THE BIBLE THAT SPECIFIES ON IF YOU LEFT YOU WERE NEVER A PART IN THE FIRST PLACE. I APOLOGIZE FOR ANYONE STEERING YOU IN THE WRONG DIRECTION, JUST KNOW WHAT GOD HAS FOR YOU IS FOR YOU. MAY GOD BE WITH YOU.
partyof6please 4 months ago
Im not part of it but i feel the Presence of God there (i can feel it even while making food), but i mean ni a place where many plp worship the same God is called the Bodily Anointing which is a stronger Presence. I hardly let someone pray for me with their hands cos i dont know anyones spiritual stage, and so anywhere you do not consider spiritually clean you shouldnt. Ask God for guidance, peace and revelation, you are free, do not feel enforce, ask God for the Holy Spirit.
Jiaarhud 4 months ago
Well im sorry about you but that happen when you see God as a religion. It is not a choice is that he choosen us to change the world. The big problem of many christians are that they cannot discern the difference in between Law and Grace. If you feel enforce to serve God or feel enforce to not sin or reading the bible you are under the law, if you enjoy doing all that and staying away from sin, you are under the Grace.
Jiaarhud 4 months ago
So what exactly did they say that was WRONG??? I am yet to hear. As an international in this country working with young people, I have found that they will turn on you and complain once their comfort is threatened. I suspect that even Jesus would be red flagged by a disgruntled christain youth in this country.
buhrochem 4 months ago
NEVER make man a god over you, always be willing to ask Father God for LIGHT, and be willing to receive LIGHT! HE WILL give it to you. NEVER take man's word over the WORD of GOD, just because there are miracles or manifestations! The Spirit of Truth (the HOLY SPIRIT) has come to guide us into ALL Truth. In these times we are all going to find deception around us, but we can walk in Truth! Thanking God for your true freedom! Google: Dave Roberson's book, Walk of the Spirit, Walk of Power.
SewGroovy 4 months ago
Stephanie, I am so sorry this happened to you, and i cant even imagine what it must have felt like, im not here to judge, or say that your a liar or ask you to show proof that this is truth, but i am here to say that I FIRMLY believe God's word, and i KNOW THAT KNOW THAT I KNOW WITHIN everything inside of my being that Ihop is teaching and raising up a generation to be rooted and grounded in His words, and to be equipped and sent out into all the earth. When He returns He will judge the earth
DreaCastano 4 months ago 8
@DreaCastano But you're wrong. Your "knower" is out of tune. There are too many witnesses and too much obvious heresy.
fotm1 4 months ago
the enemy doesnt want anyone at ihop because it is such a powerful place to be. so yeah. your gonna get attacked and lied to. if your rooted in the word, you wont get deceived. this person was obviously being lied to and not in the word.
sarnicdau00 4 months ago
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boldone4christ 4 months ago
@boldone4christ Way to be like Jesus. I prayed and fasted for two years before I ever opened my mouth. How long did you pray about it before you called people names and dismissed them like that? I'm sure glad Jesus never treats me like you do. Is this the fruit of IHOP?
fotm1 4 months ago
everything i have seen come out of I Hop has been great. the music is awesome so i dont know why you are saying these things . you are the only one saying it .
angelxorae88 4 months ago