Chomsky-Foucault Debate in 5 seconds

[modestiny85]

govern=control

ment=mind

[allnightdwight]

@modestiny85 im pretty sure the -ment suffix indicates its a noun, dumcunt

[modestiny85]

@allnightdwight From Latin ment-, stem of mēns (“mind”)

[allnightdwight]

@modestiny85 no, thats a PREfix, it goes before. it is govern + -ment not govern + ment-.

Suffix -ment Used to form nouns from verbs, the nouns having the sense of "the action or result of what is denoted by the verb".

and govern has more meanings that just to control, and when it does mean control, it means control as in managing.

you're being very selective modestiny

[modestiny85]

@allnightdwight mind control or control mind what do you prefer?

[allnightdwight]

@modestiny85 not its got nothing to do with mind! ffs! THE MENT IN GOVERNMENT IS A SUFFIX (SUFFIX MEANS IT ALWAYS COMES AT THE END OF WORDS). THE MENT THAT MEANS MIND IS A PREFIX LIKE IN MENT-AL. FUCKING GET IT RIGHT. THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS NO ONES MIND, WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY YOU FUCKING DUM CUNT

[8bobthebuilder]

lol

[kristian9010]

what is the ehh.. "credits" soundtrack?

[AndroidPolitician]

I have no clue what Foucalt is saying like 90% of the time.

[RipTheSystem33]

That's about how much time either would get in today's mass media.

[mszollosy]

Brilliant!

[DaveElectric]

That's a pretty good summary actually. These over-intellectual bozos need a good kick in the shins.

[Franticalmagic]

@DaveElectric I don't think you understood the video at all did you?

Foucault for instance made MASSIVE changes to gay rights, prison systems and care for the mentally ill.. this is a video laughing at the idea of an inherent human nature, Not a cry against "over-intellectual bozos".

[DaveElectric]

@Franticalmagic Actually it is otherwise there would be no point in making a "in 5 seconds" video of it. If it was easily digestable this video woudn't exist. The intent of this video is obvious to anyone who read the transcript. It is obscure and pretentious reading by any standard.

[Franticalmagic]

@DaveElectric Chomsky says "a fundamental element of human nature" at which they both fall about laughing.

The video is joining in with the theme that human nature is a ridiculous abstraction for which there is no justification. A common sentiment in post-structuralists like Foucault all the way back to the early modern existentialists like Satre.

[DaveElectric]

@Franticalmagic It is poking fun of the idea of "human nature" but that's not the ONLY thing this video is doing.

[squamish4244]

That was the first time I've seen Noam Chomsky genuinely laugh.

[muel0341]

I read the book and it was just as meaningless and rediculous but much more pretentious.

[Ravengaurd6]

hilarious.

[RJMyato]

you claim to know more than me but haven't actually refuted a single thing I've said, which is typical of self-important, ignorant, uneducated libertarians / "anarcho-capitalists" like yourself. you're so obsessed with rationality and your own flawless argument but always - in every case I've come across - actually incapable of constructing or refuting an argument.

[TheStfu1000]

@RJMyato seems like you've had an unpleasant experience with a libertarian before. that doesnt give you the right to start shit talking when someone disagrees with you. remember i was speaking about noam chomsky anyway. when you first said history of anarchy you should have said history of school of anarchy because thats what you meant. 'class hierarchy which is inseparable from capitalism' - no. you can give me some explanation as to why that is then i'll try refuting it. selfish? u got issues

[RJMyato]

@TheStfu1000 It's not a matter of disagreeing with me, it's a matter of you being factually wrong about a historical claim. I'm against libertarianism precisely because I have read works by Rothbard, von Mises, Ayn Rand, etc. and I reject their validity using my own logical faculties, knowledge, and experience, not because I'm dogmatic or ignorant about them. I read the arguments and don't believe they are logically sound. You seem to think I should convert as soon as I read a page of Mises.

[RJMyato]

@TheStfu1000 As for capitalism and class hierarchy: capitalism by definition will involve those with more property and those with less. Without wealth redistribution, through generations the children of the rich will become more rich because they can afford the for-profit schools, good nutrition to develop properly, and easily be connected to a high-profile job when they become adults. The children of the poor will have none of this, and therefore class mobility will be difficult or impossible.

[TheStfu1000]

@RJMyato i doubt you really did use your logical faculties to asses the libertarian stuff because you have such a personal reaction to their argument. you didnt back up why by defintion it will invovle those with more than those with less. in a purely capitalist society where there aren't public schools, your education would have less relevance in your job - the whole degree system would go. it would be like apprenticeships but on a grander scale. there would probably be more social discrimina

[RJMyato]

@TheStfu1000 Like seriously Prodhoun, one of the major theorists of anarchism, who was literally the first person to refer to himself AS an anarchist, is the guy who said that "property is theft!" Are you kidding me?

[TheStfu1000]

@RJMyato don't call me ignorant. just because i don't agree with the stuff you've spend time reading. you want to know literally what anarchism is it means simply no government. don't tell me to get off youtube little shit - you can't say that to people just because they think you're wrong. i know more than you and unlike you i'm actually willingly to look up the stuff you've told me about. no are you going to read any ludwig mises or anything of subtance? doubt it.

[RJMyato]

@TheStfu1000 you ARE ignorant. anarchism doesn't just mean "no government." it is, by definition, a form of socialism which differentiates itself from others by opposition to the state. by definition it opposes all hierarchy, including class hierarchy which is inseparable from capitalism. Once again, Proudhon, the first person to call himself an anarchist, was opposed to private property. Meanwhile von Mises was an idiot ideologue with no credibility among anyone but blind, selfish libertarians.

[RJMyato]

And there can be a system of equal wealth distribution without the state ("big government"), which is ***what anarchism is*** if you actually knew anything about the social theory involved. Honestly get off youtube and read an actual work of political philosophy if you want to talk about things like this. You are ignorant.

[S2Cents]

@george120050 That's profound and shit. Innate? He said fundamental element of human nature. Sure we don't have a nature. That's why it is not uncommon for human females to fuck dolphins and have dolman babies.

[NewMediaWarrior]

that was awesome

[ryan4144]

why is this 18 second long?

[antoineletetard]

If you had made it 10 seconds it could have been funny.

[pioughd87]

i lold

[sniperquasi]

hahaha

[Craigipedia]

governmentality makes me want to punch a baby

[TheStfu1000]

@Craigipedia you know noam is big government right?

[ErrolSaid]

@TheStfu1000 That's completely false. Chomsky has said consistently that he advocates non-authoritarian socialism... aka anarchism.

[TheStfu1000]

@ErrolSaid you think socialism of any sort is close to anarchism... how on earth would that work? i'd have thought capitalism is closer to anarchism and socialism of any sort certainly isn't in agreement with capitalism.

[RJMyato]

@TheStfu1000 you are factually wrong. anarchism from the very start has always been a leftist, socialist, anti-capitalist ideology, and the modern idea of anarcho-capitalism or American libertarianism is just a historically ignorant attempt at co-opting words without a thought toward their actual meaning. read a little bit on the history of anarchism (Kropotkin, Bakunin, Proudhon, etc. all of whom were self-described socialists who diverted from Marx etc. by their opposition to the state).

[RJMyato]

furthermore, even in Marxism itself, the final stage of social relations, Communism, essentially comes about as class hierarchies are systematically eliminated until the socialist state itself withers away, leading to a society which is essentially anarchist in its arrangement, but Marxism and anarchism basically differ in the methods of achieving this state (Marxism via first taking control of the state apparatus in order to rectify class inequality, which I happen to find more plausible).

[TheStfu1000]

@RJMyato anarchism from teh very start... what do you even mean when has there been a system of anarchism other than in tribes? anarchism is very similar to laisez faire capitalism or pure capitalism. there hasnt been a history of anarchism only theorists. if noam is for taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor through taxes then he's big government in my mind.

[RJMyato]

@TheStfu1000 By "from the very start" I am talking about "from the point at which political philosophers first theorized the ideological system called anarchism." Which has nothing to do with a real anarchist society existing. Seriously read the founding anarchist work of Kropotkin, Prodhoun, Godwin, Bakunin - all explicitly anticapitalist. Capitalist society can never be anarchist because anarchism is anarchism is the absence of hierarchy, and class hierarchy will always exist in capitalism.

[TheLiberalSoup]

haha that was very funny

[Taake1977]

Superb!

[meinerHeld]

That was only three seconds! This is an outrage!

[SuperDickweed]

Word.

That was 18 seconds thought.

[28g34ajbsd]

ROFLMAO

[Thephyguy]

please the name of this song sir

[CptnCrps]

@Thephyguy I don't know the name of this song but it is from the movie "Clockwork Orange" so if you google you'll probably find out what it is called. The second one seems to be Beethoven (appearing in C.O. as well) but im not sure.

[youshouldneverthrowa]

@Thephyguy The music is called "Title Music from A Clockwork Orange", written by Walter Carlos

[Thephyguy]

@youshouldneverthrowa

thanks throwa

[Antikryst]

@Thephyguy It's an adaption of the Funeral of Queen Mary by Purcell for Clockwork Orange.

[theTSNstudios]

That was awesome.

[SUpersaiyajinjerkbag]

Yes

[AndySarantis]

hahahahaha,easily one of the best videos I saw on YouTube!!!well done!!!