Patriarchal Society via Socialization versus Personal Responsibility
ArgusEyes -
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- 1 month ago
Here is the video I am responding to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =uoL4kREBycs
This took ages coming. I had some technical problems.
No transcript as this was not from a script. But here are some reference articles:
Wage Gap Reflects Women's Priorities
Wendy McElroy
http://www.wendymcelroy.com/if eminists/2004/0922.html
Women's Figures
http://www.aei.org/book/292
The Myth of Male Power
Warren Farrell
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-Me n-Earn-More-Startling/dp/08144 72109/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=boo ks&qid=1244531248&sr=1-1
Some things that didn't make it due to time:
There are certain things that I don't accept as valid causes for "our side". College admissions for example if the entry rules are fair and are not being tampered with to allow one group over another then the free choices of men should stand. I don't accept affirmative action. Period.
On MRA's being victims. I have made what would appear to be whiny videos in the past. Two examples would be a complilation of anti-male adverts and a video about alentines day. I agree with the spirit of these videos but I would simply not make arguments like this today. Whatever people want to do they can do and I don't mind. I would not observe valentines day and I haven't watched TV in 3 years it's easy to not be annoyed by something when you take it into your own hands to avoid it.
Some smaller responses to some of spacemonkey2084's remarks:
~0:51 "conspiracy of males out to get people"
I accept your case that most feminists don't think it's a shadowy cabal. I don't automatically want to think the worst of people so if you believe that and you are sure that BoundlessEyes believes that then I will accept that. But people write a lot of conspiratorial sounding stuff and I wish that they'd get a grip on it, tone down the hyperbole and explain their ideas a little better than they frequently do.
~3:57 "I've witnesses a lot of sexism in my life, I don't know what world you live in if you haven't"
Sexism is a two way street. I don't understand how you guys breeze past the Harriet Harman thing. This is a woman who says that she is for putting women into these positions because they are women. That is discrimination based upon sex and thus it is sexism by the book. Never mind what the reasoning is, it is sexist and it is governmentally mandated. Feminism has won, people are terrified of slighting women and whatever slights they do undergo are insignificant compared to the state mandated actual oppression of men. This is the unassailable argument which cannot be addressed. You need to watch my video "men are more oppressed than women" which lays out this case.
~5:35 "feminists are not Nazis"
I want you to go to my videos and watch a video I made called "Why I don't agree with the term 'feminazi'" and then try to make the claim that I am calling feminist Nazis.
If there was an effect of human though that can lead to bad actions, then I think we should identify this so that we can avoid those bad actions again. If you see yourself as a victim of a group then actions against that group become more legitimate in your eyes, you lose any human relation to that group and they appear more demonic in your eyes this results in hatred and atrocity. These are basics of human evil an atrocity and we should be vigilant for their effects without being censored by pejoratives such as "Godwin's law" being constantly thrown at us.
Another human trait is hatred of those who do not disagree. You obviously think that I am some sort of hateful individual as indicated by the little reference to "perhaps you will equate me with a Nazi sympathiser". I am not a demon, I just happen to disagree with you.
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Any other smaller points then ask for clarification but for now, I would appreciate your thoughts on the larger matter at hand. Thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =uoL4kREBycs
This took ages coming. I had some technical problems.
No transcript as this was not from a script. But here are some reference articles:
Wage Gap Reflects Women's Priorities
Wendy McElroy
http://www.wendymcelroy.com/if eminists/2004/0922.html
Women's Figures
http://www.aei.org/book/292
The Myth of Male Power
Warren Farrell
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-Me n-Earn-More-Startling/dp/08144 72109/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=boo ks&qid=1244531248&sr=1-1
Some things that didn't make it due to time:
There are certain things that I don't accept as valid causes for "our side". College admissions for example if the entry rules are fair and are not being tampered with to allow one group over another then the free choices of men should stand. I don't accept affirmative action. Period.
On MRA's being victims. I have made what would appear to be whiny videos in the past. Two examples would be a complilation of anti-male adverts and a video about alentines day. I agree with the spirit of these videos but I would simply not make arguments like this today. Whatever people want to do they can do and I don't mind. I would not observe valentines day and I haven't watched TV in 3 years it's easy to not be annoyed by something when you take it into your own hands to avoid it.
Some smaller responses to some of spacemonkey2084's remarks:
~0:51 "conspiracy of males out to get people"
I accept your case that most feminists don't think it's a shadowy cabal. I don't automatically want to think the worst of people so if you believe that and you are sure that BoundlessEyes believes that then I will accept that. But people write a lot of conspiratorial sounding stuff and I wish that they'd get a grip on it, tone down the hyperbole and explain their ideas a little better than they frequently do.
~3:57 "I've witnesses a lot of sexism in my life, I don't know what world you live in if you haven't"
Sexism is a two way street. I don't understand how you guys breeze past the Harriet Harman thing. This is a woman who says that she is for putting women into these positions because they are women. That is discrimination based upon sex and thus it is sexism by the book. Never mind what the reasoning is, it is sexist and it is governmentally mandated. Feminism has won, people are terrified of slighting women and whatever slights they do undergo are insignificant compared to the state mandated actual oppression of men. This is the unassailable argument which cannot be addressed. You need to watch my video "men are more oppressed than women" which lays out this case.
~5:35 "feminists are not Nazis"
I want you to go to my videos and watch a video I made called "Why I don't agree with the term 'feminazi'" and then try to make the claim that I am calling feminist Nazis.
If there was an effect of human though that can lead to bad actions, then I think we should identify this so that we can avoid those bad actions again. If you see yourself as a victim of a group then actions against that group become more legitimate in your eyes, you lose any human relation to that group and they appear more demonic in your eyes this results in hatred and atrocity. These are basics of human evil an atrocity and we should be vigilant for their effects without being censored by pejoratives such as "Godwin's law" being constantly thrown at us.
Another human trait is hatred of those who do not disagree. You obviously think that I am some sort of hateful individual as indicated by the little reference to "perhaps you will equate me with a Nazi sympathiser". I am not a demon, I just happen to disagree with you.
---
Any other smaller points then ask for clarification but for now, I would appreciate your thoughts on the larger matter at hand. Thanks.
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