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I am a scientist, citizen, and polemicist engaged in an indirect dismembering of errors found in religious discourse. As Sam Harris points out in "The End of Faith," on September 11, 2001 our pious nation realized what kind of power and manifestations of violence religious certainty has on the health and well being of humans. Verily Ayaan Hirsi Ali lives a life of fear because of religious dogmatists engaged in the fulfillment of scripture. The idea of "confidence without reason" has the deleterious effect of suppressing intelligent discourse by placing stigma on its critics. Dennett claims this "effect" is not so much a passive artifact as it is the developed need for religion to survive, acquired through some hemi-evolutionary pathways. We realize today that religion without this speciation would not survive the torments of scientific revelations given how much we know today about disease, weather, and quantum physics. I am uneasy about suppression of conversation. Western morality is always improving simply by virtue of open speech. Children of the enlightenment found this one element so critical in government that they made it their first amendment.

An open discussion is necessary to better my understanding of the claims of atheists just mentioned and of their opposing theists like Baba, Shirley Phelps, Sir Ratzinger, or Hito. I don't intend to prevent discussion on any material of mine given the participant is willing to defend her position. In order to passively convince my viewers, I think my fellow students ought to "witness in truth" the words of apology or justification as they appear in these forums. It is my personal belief that given these circumstances any honest person seeking truth, holding it more valuable than social connection and even comfort, will join me and my friends who say: the extraordinary claims made by the pious are not supported by necessary extraordinary evidence.

To my Christian viewers: You perhaps claim that violence and barbarity are products of extremity while the norm is much more grounded on a tradition of morality and rationality. In deed you likely will claim, as Dinesh D'Souza, that most of history's rational thinkers were in deed Christian. I don't judge religions by their radical memberships. I don't have to. I do however, judge them on their foundational texts and the sayings of their leaders. Take the example of Hurricane Katrina. The pastor John Hagee, along with the Archbishop of Canterbury, has made claims that these events took place because of how consenting adults conduct themselves with their same-sex partners in that area. Linking meteorology to morality is bronze age and worth no attention whichever way. Can you imagine anyone nowadays arguing that to bring rain to crops or ward off demonic storm one must act morally? Aside from the absence of truth, a moral dilemma in its own right, avowals such as these represent two fundamental deficiencies. First the retardation of progress. Second the totalitarian mentality: setting regulations that are circular and binding. The obvious genetic component of homosexuality, attested by monozygotic twin studies, is sinful, as with other innumerable desires common to humanity. Oddly scripture is full of God's desire for man to overcome these "weaknesses" while telling him it will never happen without submission to a human sacrifice. A god that watches you day and night, that can convict you of "thought crime," as Hitchens terms it, and that is authorized to command you to conduct yourself under literally impossible regulations is a god that derives its doctrine from ideas dwelling, not on the edge but, well in the middle of totalitarianism. This is the Christian postulation.

As for Muslims, most of you claim that radicals have, in the words of President Bush, "hijacked a great religion." Muslim moderates assert that these parties are not licensed to issue fatwa and institute sharia. I would like to know on what religious grounds they make either assertion. The Koran is brimming with descriptions of the abhorrent status of the infidel in the eyes of Allah. In deed Allah not only hates his creation, "the unbeliever... the hypocrite... the friend of Satan," should man use his divinely instated free will to choose dissociation, but also he instructs man's death as "the inveterate enemy."

To all believers, Carl Sagan once said that "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." If there were ever a statement that challenges piety and charlatanry, this is it. How does evidence justify one's actions? It is my opinion that the rare evidence for miracles and truth in the religious domain amount to very little, in fact to pure random chance (consider the interesting mathematics of "official" miracles in Lourdes, France; # of miracles (2000 "unexplained cures"+66 declared miracles) / # of sick visitors seeking a miracle (80,000/yr x 150 years) = 2066/12,000,000 = .0001722 pure, random chance).

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"I don't think I have an opinion... elements created life... " Gentlemen, gentlemen, listen to these responses! Do you really expect anything coherent out of any one who describes the creation of the universe in such a myopic and dumfounding tone?!?! I've challenged "bruinsnigga" on more than one topic and all I've gotten is evasion and half-truth accompanied by banishment and non response. Isn't that the religious trend anyway? Use of apology and rhetoric rather than hard fact?
It's easy to make these comments, and I would agree if you would please give good reasons/examples of why you think S. Kauffman is "misleading... lying..." If you don't have any good reason to make these assertions, don't make any. It's simple logic.
I would suggest you read "The Age of American Unreason" by Susan Jacoby. She gives a historical account of how most people most of the time don't care about reasoning and criticality. Reason means work, it seems to me. I think this assumption helps explain why many Christians (some 60% actually, I can give you the citation) can't pick Genesis as the first book of the Bible, even from a lineup of five books from the Bible.
I am Free! (6 days ago)
I don't mean to be hard-hearted by any stretch, so I apologize for the reference to sarcasm since you've now clarified your position. As for the remaining claim: I think you don't do Jesus any justice by being OK with my proposed religion. He and his "heavenly father" were violent and pessimistic about "pagans" and "heathens."
I am Free! (6 days ago)
I don't mean to be hard-hearted by any stretch, so I apologize for the reference to sarcasm since you've now clarified your position. As for the remaining claim: I think you don't do Jesus any justice by being OK with my proposed religion. He and his "heavenly father" were violent and pessimistic about "pagans" and "heathens."
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This is an hour introduction into evolutionary thought as described by Charles Darwin. Though there is some dispute as to how speciation has occurred, whether through gradualism or punctuated equilibrium, the idea that man came from ancient primates is irrefutable. Enjoy this pleasant hour of truth and clarity, free from all of the holding-downs of religious dogmatism and hyperbole of non-truth.
This is a documentary of an untraditional flavor made by Keith Allen on the Westboro Baptist Church. He goes to Topeka and acts like an idiot, but is able to reveal the "sinful" nature of the church's leadership and its members.

The leader, Shirley, does admit to having committed a specific sin, what Christians call one of the worst. I don't find this odd in the least. Since the revelation of child abuses conducted by Catholic priesthood and clergy of other faiths, I am sure many are now open to idea that anyone, as could have been reasonably concluded before these events, is capable of the worst inhumane acts. The revelation of Shirley's "youth" proves Westboro baptists are not unlike any of the people they accuse or condemn. This is the great hypocrisy of organized worshiping, to expect even the zealous to be perfect. I think one reason people take sides against them is because of their extreme lack of candor on this matter, though ironically the moderate who resists criticism is tacitly doing the same thing.

Atheists are capable of self-contradiction, but they thrive in correction. Contradiction, especially derived through evidence, is a great tool to discovering great truths, scientific or not. In the matter of "hypocrisy," I take issue with what Hitchens calls, "the essential principle of totalitarianism," made by "laws that are impossible to obey." The act of assigning commandments that are impossible to keep is immoral. It is common knowledge that the "strict" are fallible, yet God gave even them reason to fear judgment. If this is true of those who actually try to keep them with full intent, as the Westboro Baptists do, what does that mean for the holiday believers? It means that they will be met by atheists, agnostics, and whoremongers (among other faiths of course) in the Hell that waits them. Sound fair to you?

Aside from this issue of manifest hypocrisy: Christianity in general must answer for the crimes of this "extremism." Adherents must answer because their literature provides the iconography, diction, and lexicon of people such as these. Listen to them speak. With each claim they cite chapter and verse. Don't anyone tell me these are the rantings of a lost group taking the "metaphors" in the Bible too literally. Moderation in Christian thinking allows for statements like these because it has to. The one idea separating fanatic from moderate is apology, and I'll bet you know which type of believer I'm referring to.
As a teenager I worked at a gas station and as such I came in contact with all stripes of people. One customer of mine would often confront me about my religious tendencies as he was a Baptist preacher and the leader of a small group in a city not too far from my place of work. He used some scripture to try to impress me, and he also appealed to my scientific side after I revealed my intentions to become a scientist. He explained to me that he had received a MA in physics at UCLA and that he decided that preaching "the word" was much more fulfilling of a calling than his work for his degree. I didn't know this at the time, so for any one who isn't familiar with the academy, as I wasn't at the time, a master's degree in physics generally means two things: a job in industry (to develop new tools as in MRI say, or the like) or a failed attempt at a PhD and early graduation because the professors didn't like your work. At first I have to say I would have guessed the former. He was a sensible person and he seemed like a hard worker and reasonably bright. But when he attempted to square the mysteries of nature with his justification for joining a seminary, had I understood the workings of university life as I do now, I would have opted for the latter.

He justified his seeking religious devotion with the idea that the coming about of life is so improbable that it would only take a creator to make its essential molecular elements. He further quantified his rational and gave me some extremely small probability figures that any nonscientist would consider impressive to say the least. I still remember, nevertheless, being unimpressed as I still understood, despite any naivete, that these ideas in no way justified specifically the truth claims of Evangelical Christianity or even of Christian theism in general. As Christopher Hitchens explains, the jump from deism of the sort my physics/preacher friend was trying to make to theism is more than difficult and we have very few positive reasons to do so. I had this feeling despite any real eduction to back my position. These hunches scientists call a first approximation, the gut feeling you get when you are suspicious about anything.

This video I think address this intuitive contradiction among many other issues. Predictions of probability require some foreknowledge of sample space on all scales. As is the case with coins we have some intuition of probability. There are only two possible states: heads and tails. We feel right when we say there is a "50/50" chance that it will or will not land on heads. Now take this idea and try to reconcile it with the probability of life's coming about. An honest marriage of mathematics with biology still doesn't allow for us to finitely prestate all the possible outcomes of all organic molecules, let alone quanta in general. Certainly we do have some intuitive understanding of what is required to make life, but we have no way of limiting a prediction of probability even in the least.

This inability speaks to the heart of Kauffman's central thesis. Does anyone really think that even the most intelligent being, even an omniscient one, could reasonably state all possible outcomes of a group of atoms even to predict the fluid motion of a heart. Laplace was a genius in his time, but I don't think he grasped the awesome complexity that emergence obviously manifests, even with all foreknowledge of 6N dimensional space, when he suggested any ability to predict future events given certain molecular information (velocity, vector direction etc).

If we mean by natural law a compact description available before hand and afterwords of the regularities of a process, does anyone think there could be a natural law for the evolution of swimm bladders? I agree with Stuart in saying no. Natural law as given to us by god or Galileo will never be sufficient to give a whole account of consequences. Thus value and morality are available through this manifold mystery and unpredictability. I hope believers see that this is where most atheists derive principle-based morality rather than dictum-based morality as they suggest ought to the case. In the example of an abused women hiding in your house, you would never tell the truth and reveal her location to her husband if he asked. We know that moral principles themselves could change with good reason and that good reason is the only tool to do so. Thus if we have good reasons to state anything, we can do so with more confidence than any "pronouncement" by any supposed "authority." Thus the only way to suggest the most probable outcome of anything is to offer supportive evidence and not to suggest that one or a group of few people say so "and thus it is so." We know that if "it is so" it is a not likely true because one person or a group of people are less likely to be able to predict sufficiently anything, let alone ideas as complex as creation, morality, or ethics.
Channel Comments (122)
dimel6O (13 minutes ago)
Hey,
Thanks for excepting my friend invite and your response!
I would say God bless but I realize there is no need!
Lin
PurushaDesa (15 hours ago)
Thanks very much for the detailed response. It was timed perfectly too since I had just revisited the leviathan free will/determinism debate on The Non-Prophets!

PurushaDesa




"This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. You truly are incorruptible, aren't you? Huh? You won't kill me out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness. And I won't kill you because you're just too much fun. I think you and I are destined to do this forever."
tariqshabazz (2 days ago)
Greetings and thank you for your response.
I welcome the converstaion. I can humbly claim that God has fashioned me to be NOT your avg christian. If you read my channel you'll understand that I hold quite a different view from avg christians.

As you wrote before, the avg chirstian does not read the bible. And what God revealed to me thru His scrptures that 97% will not listen to what the bible is saying. The bible is its own dictionary and must be looked at as a whole by comparing spiritual things(scripture) with spritual. 1Cor2:13.
The churches have fallen far away from the bible and have injected their own do-it-yourself-gospel. Then the secular world blames the bible for all this mass confusion. But the bible is clear and precise.
It's the reknown teachers that pervert God's word.
tariqshabazz (2 days ago)
Hello Alecs.

In scanning your channel bio I tend to agree with some of your viewpoints about religion and chrisitianity however before I really try to understand your assumptions of a "postulate christian", have you read the bible from begining to end at least?
The bible is un like any other book and even reknown Pastors like the one you mentioned in John Hagee appears to know much but not entirely. But have you read the bible?
Thank you.
amore101 (1 week ago)
What does that 10% know, that the 90% doesn't?
WarbossGorgutz (2 weeks ago)
Watching Alecs get owned is awesome
braino2000 (2 weeks ago)
Yes. and if materialism is true then so is determinism. Our beliefs aren't actually OURS but based on the anticede and state of the universe. Therefor, you are no more adequate to interpret evidence then even the most whacky religious person considering your beliefs are GIVEN to you by nature ( like the religious person ) We don't CHOOSE with naturalism, nature chooses. And as a result, truth, rationality, logic, and epistemology are all condemned to death. And why would you quote Sam Harris? At least quote reasonable classical intellectual atheists like Russell ( although I'm no atheist I do like reading books written from different perspectives!).

Anyways, nice hearing from you! Peace be with you.
princegoutham (2 weeks ago)
There is Difference between Spiritual science and Human Science my friend If you want to Experience the Spirituality Come to India I have show you many places where you science wont be Able to Explain Eg a place in Bangalore where a Small 10kg Ganesha Idol is placed you can easily Lift it simple But after you Pray for any Wish if Only the wish is Granted by the Lord Ganesha the God who has Elephant face you Shall be able to Lift the Idol if not The idol will stick to the Ground No body can explain the spiritual science But its only Present in the HOLY LAND CALLED INDIA
princegoutham (2 weeks ago)
There is Difference between Spiritual science and Human Science my friend If you want to Experience the Spirituality Come to India I have show you many places where you science wont be Able to Explain Eg a place in Bangalore where a Small 10kg Ganesha is placed you can easily Life it But after you Pray any Wish if Only the wish is Granted by the Lord you Shall be able to Lift the Idol if not The idol will stick to the Ground No body can explain the spiritual science But its only Present in the HOLY LAND CALLED INDIA
SylviaPlanter (2 weeks ago)
And you think LogicbeatsIies is queer? He told me that he's not saying one way or the other. But why does he say he has sex with a female dolphin, if he's queer? Or doesn't that count?
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